Icon Energy Corp (ICON) 2008 Q2 法說會逐字稿

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the second quarter 2008 Iconix Brand Group earnings conference call. My name is Katie and I will be your coordinator for today. (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS).

Before we begin, the Company had asked that I read the following Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The statements that are not historical fact contained in this conference call are forward-looking statements that involve a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors, all of which are difficult or impossible to predict and many of which are beyond the control of the Company.

This may cause the actual results, performance or achievements of the Company to be materially different from the results, performance or achievements expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. The words believe, anticipate, expect, confident and similar expressions identify forward-looking statements.

Listeners are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date the statement was made.

I would like to now turn the call over to Warren Clamen, Chief Financial Officer, joined by David Conn, Executive Vice President, and Neil Cole, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

Good morning everyone, and welcome to the Iconix Brand Group second quarter 2008 earnings conference call. Reviewing our results for the second quarter ended June 30, 2008 revenue increased 32% to approximately $51.7 million as compared to $39.1 million in the prior year quarter.

EBITDA increased by 13% to approximately $35.2 million as compared to approximately $31.2 million in the prior year quarter. And free cash flow increased to $26.3 million, as compared to $25.8 million in the prior year quarter.

Net income increased 11% to approximately $16.5 million as compared to approximately $14.8 million in the prior year quarter. And diluted GAAP earnings per share increased to $0.27 as compared to $0.24 in the prior year quarter.

Free cash flow per diluted share for the current quarter was $0.43. Free cash flow per diluted share will continue to be higher than GAAP diluted earnings per share, as it excludes non-cash taxes, depreciation and amortization, and stock-based non-cash compensation, which are all reoccurring items.

For the six months ended June 30, 2008 revenue increased 54% to approximately $107.4 million as compared to approximately $69.9 million in the prior year six month period.

EBITDA for the six months period increased 36% to approximately $73.9 million as compared to approximately $54.6 million in the prior year. And free cash flow increased to approximately $58.9 million as compared to approximately $47.4 million in the prior year.

Net income for the six months increased 26% to approximately $34.7 million as compared to approximately $27.5 million in the prior year. And GAAP diluted earnings per share increased to $0.57 versus $0.45 in the prior year.

Free cash flow per diluted earnings per share for the six months was $0.96.

EBITDA, free cash flow, and cash flow per diluted share are all non-GAAP metrics, and reconciliation tables for each can be found in the press release sent earlier this morning or on our website, iconixbrand.com.

Our EBITDA margins were approximately 68% for the quarter. For the full year we expect EBITDA margins in the low 70s. As a reminder, non-cash compensation is negatively impacting our margins year-over-year and was approximately $0.025 for the second quarter 2008 and $0.045 for the first six months ended June 30, 2008, as compared to only $0.005 and $0.01, respectively, for the prior year's comparable periods.

The Company continues to benefit from low interest rate on the term loan facility, which is now at a rate of 5.08%. And the Company's weighted average interest rate on all debt for Q2 was approximately 4.46%.

At the end of the quarter the Company had approximately $67 million in cash, plus the potential availability of approximately $33 million in additional funds through its term loan facility.

The total debt at the end of the quarter was $677 million. And our pro forma net debt to EBITDA was approximately 4 times. We're comfortable with these levels, given our highly visible and contractually guaranteed cash flows and aggregate minimum guarantees from our existing licenses, which total approximately $535 million as of the beginning of this year, and excludes any renewals.

I will now turn the call over to David Conn, Executive Vice President of Iconix.

Good morning everyone. In looking at the performance of our brands in the quarter we are pleased with the overall results. We continue to benefit from the diversification of our brands and our unique business model, which has contractually guaranteed revenue and no inventory or markdown risk.

Beginning with our direct-to-retail brands, retail sales of Mossimo at Target and Candie's at Kohl's both improved from being down in the first quarter compared to the year before to being flat in the second quarter.

This spring Candie's shop-in-shops opened in all Kohl's doors, providing a unique cross shopping experience, and creating greater focus on the brand that we believe will translate into additional sales.

Mossimo continues to be the largest apparel brand at Target, with particular strength in the women's side of the business. And it is on track to meet or exceed our revenue plan for the year.

Joe Boxer sales at Kmart were up 8% in the quarter, driven by strength in women's sleepwear and intimates. Next year Kmart is planning to expand the brand even further with a casual sportswear and footwear collection.

Joe Boxer also signed a pan European license recently with our Scandinavian partner, Virgo, which will include stand-alone Joe Boxer retail stores that will open across Europe, patterned after their stores in Denmark, Iceland and Sweden.

With the new direct-to-retail license agreements we signed last week we are pleased to now have three brands licensed to Wal-Mart, OP, Starter and Danskin Now, which represent a very large growth opportunity that Neil will discuss in more detail later in the call.

Results for our traditional licensing brands were in-line with expectations. Consumers are responding favorably to our London Fog brand, which has encouraged retailers to expand the collection to additional doors. This fall the first handbag and home collections will begin arriving in stores, and footwear will be relaunching with an improved distribution.

The Rocawear men's business, which was a little soft in the first quarter, had a very good June and July, which we believe will continue through the back-to-school season. We believe Rocawear is positioned well for fall and holiday, with the launch of the first-ever Rocawear fragrance, and Jay-Z's appearance in the fall ad campaigns. This will be the first time in two years that Jay-Z is featured in the ads.

Rampage continues to be an anchor, young contemporary fashion brand within Macy's. And we have exciting near-term international plans for the brand. Through a new license agreement with The Style Company based in Kuwait, Rampage is now expanding into the Middle East, and opened its first store in the region in the quarter. Rampage is also expected to be the first brand we launch in China.

Badgley Mischka continues to expand. And many of our accessories licensees, like jewelry and eyewear, are performing very well.

Our junior denim brands, Bongo and Mudd, continue to face challenges in their core junior denim category, but the business this year was planned with this in consideration. We're working hard on these brands, and have recently made significant progress toward implementing strategies that we believe will restore long-term growth.

Scion, our joint venture with Jay-Z, is progressing well. We have received a favorable response at retail to our first brand, Artful Dodger. And our licensee will be rolling it out with a broader distribution this fall, including a large launch at Macy's with dedicated shop-in-shops.

We are excited about the progress we have made with our home brands and believe they offer compelling near-term growth opportunities. Royal Velvet had a strong launch this quarter at Bed Bath & Beyond with towels and rugs. And we are currently working on other category expansion opportunities. The launch was supported by an advertising campaign featuring Brooke Shields and her family, that we believe was innovative in the home space.

Our Cannon brand is set for a soft launch at Sears and Kmart this fall, with a major launch for spring of 2009. The opportunity for Cannon to quickly build large share within these channels is great, as their Martha Stewart brand exits in 2009.

While longer-term in scope, our joint venture in China, which should formally close by the end of the month, is perhaps our largest growth opportunity. We're confident that we have a portfolio of brands that is ripe to penetrate a very large emerging middle class in China. We have a strategy that is innovative and right for the retail dynamics of that market. And we have a partner with the resources, credibility and network to execute.

We already have preliminary term sheets for Rampage and Joe Boxer. And we believe that in three to five year's time Iconix China could be contributing between $20 million and $40 million in annual earnings to Iconix.

I will now turn the call over to Iconix Chairman and CEO, Neil Cole.

Good morning everybody. I am pleased with our results in what has been a challenging retail and economic environment. I am confident that we will continue to execute our plan for the remainder of the year.

We're reaffirming our 2008 guidance of revenue in the range of $215 million to $220 million, and GAAP earnings per share between $1.15 and $1.20. We're also reaffirming our 2008 free cash flow estimate of between $116 million and $119 million free cash flow per diluted share, which equates to $1.87 to $1.92.

After a period of rapidly building our portfolio, and completing 12 acquisitions over the last three and a half years, we have become more focused than ever on maximizing the organic growth of our portfolio of brands. And that process is beginning to bear fruit.

Today we have a handful of very compelling, larger organic growth initiatives, including our Wal-Mart brands, our home brands and our international business. These initiatives provide us with good visibility for growth in 2009 and beyond, regardless of whether or not we make any additional acquisitions.

While much has been said about the success of our OP brand, last week we signed two exciting new direct-to-retail license agreements with Wal-Mart for Starter and for Danskin Now. Prior to acquiring these brands they were sold at Wal-Mart, but did not have very substantially large programs. Today they are planning to become anchor brands for Wal-Mart's activewear and athletic apparel strategy.

Both brands will be relaunching in spring of 2009 with greatly expanded assortments, and an exciting national advertising campaigns which will include a major NFL star for Starter, and a tie-in with January Fitness Month for Danskin Now.

Starter and Danskin Now are both planned to become more than double their sales volume for 2008.

Our OP brand is also poised for compelling growth in 2009, as we expand the full collection, which today is in 1,000 doors, to additional doors for next spring. And take key categories such as swimwear and flip-flops to all Wal-Mart doors.

We're also working hard on the global rollout of OP through Wal-Mart International, and are very pleased with our progress in Canada were OP will be in all doors for spring 2009, and are excited about next year's launch in Mexico.

Longer-term we will focus on bringing OP to Wal-Mart in emerging markets like Brazil, China and India.

I would like now to discuss our acquisition opportunities and strategies. Though we have taken acquisition revenue out of our guidance for this year, it will continue to be an important part of our growth strategy, and we believe we will acquire additional iconic brands in the future. We anticipate that seller valuations will start to reset to more closely align with current market conditions, and believe opportunities will present themselves.

With over $67 million of cash on hand at the end of the second quarter, and projected increases to approximately $100 million by year end, our cash balance alone could support an acquisition, and we are currently looking at several.

We're also in constant dialogue with bankers, and believe that there are opportunities to tap into the credit markets for acquisition financing beyond the $33 million we could potentially access through our term loan facility.

While we believe we have the means to finance acquisitions, our posture in this environment will continue to be to wait for only the strongest acquisition opportunities. We have looked at various distressed brands recently and have passed, since we did not see meaningful growth opportunities with these brands.

In closing, while I'm disappointed with our current stock price, and the economic environment has been challenging and unpredictable, I look at our business today and I more energized about our growth prospects than ever before.

Through our Wal-Mart initiatives and Cannon launch at Sears, Kmart, we already have really good visibility for growth in 2009, even if the retail environment continues to be difficult.

Based solely on the planned growth for our three Wal-Mart brands, we can project high single digit organic growth for this Company next year, before contributions from any of the other 13 brands.

Longer-term we have the growth from our joint venture in China, as well as numerous other domestic and international growth initiatives that we are currently working on.

While we would have liked to have additional acquisitions by now, I do believe that our growing cash reserve positions us well to be active again soon and add other Iconic brands to the portfolio, with attractive economics.

We're only in our fourth year as a brand management and licensing Company, and I feel as if we're just beginning to hit our stride for maximizing the value of this strong portfolio of brands.

Last week Women's Wear Daily published their annual top 100 brands list, and Iconix had seven brands that made the list, which is the highest of any fashion company, ahead of such brand owners as LVMH, Phillips-Van Heusen, and Jones New York, which is a testament to the quality of the portfolio that we're building.

In a recent report in Licensing Magazine, Iconix was listed as the third largest licensing company in the world, behind giants like Disney and Warner Brothers.

When I see statistics like these and consider that we're still in the very early stages of our development, I become even more energized about the vast potential of the Company that we're building. We know these are tough times, but I can assure you, in speaking for myself the Board of Directors and management, we're not at all discouraged by macroeconomic factors that are outside of our control.

We're building a great and enduring company and portfolio of brands and maximizing the many global opportunities in front of us. In doing this we believe we will create compelling value to our shareholders for many years to come.

Thank you all for your continued support and interest. And I would like you now open up the call to question and answers.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS). Jeff Klinefelter, Piper Jaffray.

I just had a couple of questions for you. First of all, could we focus a little bit on SG&A expenses? And even backing out the non-cash comp expense, SG&A growth is fairly significant year-over-year, recognizing that some of the new deals you have signed second half of last year and first part of this year are not in there, but can you talk about on a go forward basis how you see that aligning with organic revenue growth?

For example, what else do you need to buildout in terms of headcount? Do you see more buildout required to manage what would appear to be a rapidly growing Wal-Mart business? Just discuss that dynamic a little bit going into '09.

This is a year where we had a lot of time to focus on the our organic brands and build the infrastructure and maybe "catch up", not having acquisitions in this environment. So we added four new brands and some of them had significant overheads, like Rocawear, which has a significant advertising that goes with it. Between the four new brands and the increase, we went from having 50 people to over 100 people this year.

And we have really built a lot of great processes to work with our licensees around the world. We got a presence in Europe. We put together a presence in Asia. But all that said and done, we're also -- we believe that the model can support a 70% EBITDA, which is something that we have kept our eye on and we are being very careful with the costs.

Another significant competition -- something in the numbers is my agreement, which I negotiated a new five-year employment agreement, and a lot of that is non-cash compensation.

We still -- I think a good way to do it is to still look at the EBITDA number and make sure that we're pretty focused on keeping above 70%.

Could you also address -- second half -- the flow of second half guidance, given how much your royalty revenue composition has changed over the last four quarters, could you give us some direction on how you see the royalty revenue and SG&A flowing through the second half so we can get a Q3 versus Q4 guideposts more or less?

It is Warren. I think we need to look at the composition of our licensees. And we signed a couple of DTRs versus last year, so I definitely think looking last year versus this year, this year will be more -- the revenue flow will be more focused to Q4 since we have more DTR licenses.

As Neil said, the SG&A, we're going to keep EBITDA margins in the low 70s, as he said. That is the way the revenue will flow. I would look -- last year was a little bit heavier in Q3 than Q4. I think it is going to be slightly the opposite this year.

Just one last question. From your view, looking across all these retail channels, could you give us a sense for your bead on the retail environment right now, kind of transitioning from summer into early back-to-school, general observations on what you are hearing and seeing and the health of the different channels?

It is not pretty. But it is kind of the same across all channels. And the consumer is very reluctant to spend and we're planning accordingly. We don't see it necessarily picking up substantially until maybe hopefully after the election.

One of the good parts about our portfolio and diversification having three businesses now at Wal-Mart and Wal-Mart doing so well, which I think is positioned well for this environment, is going to be a big addition to us especially in the fourth quarter, as all three brands really start to hit their stride.

So we're not confident. There is too many -- so many negative factors out the right now, and we're going to be very conservative in planning over the next 12 months until we start seeing the consumer come back.

Maybe just more specifically second half versus first half of this year, what is your collective view from feedback from retailers? We are seeing deceleration in the second half, or a similar from first-half trends?

I think kind of similar. I think there is a couple of -- as I mentioned, a couple of outstanding -- you know, people that are doing better than others like Wal-Mart. But we're looking at it in plans similar what has happened in the first half. And hopefully in the fourth quarter, maybe after the election the consumer will feel better about change.

Todd Slater, Lazard Capital.

Good quarter guys. I wanted to understand a little bit better the visibility that you have on next year, especially on the organic side of the business.

And related to your comments that you said that you see high single digit organic growth just from Wal-Mart, and that was before contributions from other brands. And I am just wondering if you meant that -- if all the other brands were flat in the aggregate, you could see high single digit driven by Wal-Mart, or was the high single digit just related to Wal-Mart, specifically that revenue line?

It is for the whole portfolio. The Wal-Mart business is going to be so substantially higher. And we're talking a couple of billion dollars. We have had the wonderful benefit of the initiative where they are making us the core brands within both Danskin Now and Starter, taking over their athletic departments, where it used to be other brands. So we're pretty excited about that.

And what it does for us, we see our Wal-Mart royalty -- our brands Starter, Danskin, OP at least increasing well over 50%. So that alone gives our total portfolio close to double-digit growth in '09.

So if all the rest is at flat. And then with the rest of that portfolio ex Wal-Mart, obviously there are some pluses and minuses, perhaps your vision for next year. Do you think -- what do you think is the proper baseline we should be using on the rest of the portfolio for '09 on the conservative -- thinking about it conservatively?

I think conservatively we should stay in the high single digits until we see the consumer come back. And we're hoping that will happen. We have a lot of great retailers we do business with, and wholesalers. And with Target and with Kohl's, they are still opening up a lot of stores.

So we still see big opportunities across the portfolio. We have a lot of exciting initiatives with the Candie's brand in Kohl's. And even expansion with Target and Mossimo. The other area which we talked about is Cannon -- could be a big upside in '09.

But I think as we get closer to '09 at the end of the third quarter we will update it. But we're feeling pretty good that even in a tough, tough environment of our organic growth opportunities in '09.

So I just want to ask it again because I'm not sure. You said the rest of the businesses ex Wal-Mart, the rest of the brands, could in the aggregate see a high single digit growth rate?

No, I was saying the total portfolio, which includes Wal-Mart. Hopefully it could happen what you just said, but we're not planning that way. Hopefully if the world that back to normal like it was a year or two ago, and it is possible, but we're planning for high single digit growth driven by our new agreements with Wal-Mart and the planned sales there.

We can back into that. I get it. So secondly I just want to go a little -- move over to the international realm a little bit. That component is still obviously very, very nascent. And I'm curious what percent of the business would you guess international is now? What could it be?

When should we expect India to come online? Any possibility that you could see some DTR deals internationally? I don't think there any right now that I know of.

We have a couple. This is David. We have one in South America with a company called Falabella for Mossimo. And we have another in Canada for our London Fog brand with Hudson Bay.

And we also have a big opportunity with Wal-Mart international, which we have had a lot of traction recently with OP with Wal-Mart in Canada and Mexico. And we're now working with them to look to expand that to other markets like the UK, Japan, Brazil, India, China. So a lot of opportunity on the DTR front with Wal-Mart International.

Today international is about 6% of our revenue base. Internally we believe in the next few years it should be at least 20% of our revenue base, if not more. And we're making progress on a lot of different fronts.

Last week we announced a number of new license agreements. With the three agreements that we announced last week in Europe, we now have five partners in Europe for our portfolio. We announced an exciting Rocawear deal in Brazil, which is a market we're becoming more and more focused on. It is a market with very attractive economics right now, and we have a great partner down there for Rocawear.

You mentioned India, right now we're in license conversations with three of the largest retailers in India. So I think that the likely strategy from our vantage point today in India is going to be a DTR strategy. And we're hoping to get deals done later this year. As you know, we are very excited about the joint venture we set up in China.

So we think we're making good progress internationally. And we do think it could 20% of our revenue base. And this is one of our big growth opportunities over the next few years.

That is very helpful. Then just to follow-up on your China response there. You mentioned three years or so you could see $20 million to $40 million in annual earnings to Iconix. Did you mean revenues or is that net to the income line? Could you just give us a little more color on how we should expect that to flow-through?

That would be net income coming out of our joint venture in China. So it is a 50-50 JV. And our 50% we estimate in three to five years time could be $20 million to $40 million of net income.

The way that works is we are placing -- what we will be doing is placing our brands with strong partners and taking an equity position in the business over there. And we think in three to five years' time the businesses achieve critical mass and we exit, either through a trade sale or an IPO. And we base valuation on historical multiples over there. And we think even if half of the brands that we placed are successful, we can back into a $20 million to $40 million net income money number in a few years.

Robert Ohmes, Merrill Lynch.

This is actually [Helena Faye] calling on behalf of Robert Ohmes. A quick question. I just wanted to get a little more color in regards to the Starter and Danskin launches. What is the rollout distribution strategy in both apparel and non-apparel? How many doors is it in now versus how many doors in the launch? And also what additional categories are being extended and the timing of that roll out? Thanks.

Starter today has a -- it is an all-door program at Wal-Mart. And with this new arrangement we made, we see our rack count more than doubling, pretty much in the core business that it is in today, and becoming the anchor brand. There used to be a private-label brand called Athletic Works and now we see Starter taking a lot of -- more of a prominent role taking over that department.

We're working on other opportunities, but we are going to be launching intimate apparel, more sports underwear. We're going to be increasing the soft business and various other different categories, watches. Pretty much making Starter the key sports brand on the male side. We're going to be watching a major ad campaign, which will be announcing some of our celebrities or athletes that are going to be joining the Starter team.

Then on the same side that we're dealing with Starter in men's, we're going to be doing with Danskin Now in women's. Pretty much penetrating throughout the store both -- you know, Danskin has got a great sports bra business, got soft business. Footwear for both brands is going to be a major category for both Starter and Danskin Now.

So pretty much when you go through Wal-Mart, you're going to see these two brands on all the key athletic categories throughout the store.

Bob Drbul, Lehman Brothers.

This is actually [Don Konawitz] filling in for Bob. I just had a quick question about these bankruptcies. Have any of your brands have any significant exposure to those?

No, we have not had any businesses in their. There has been -- we have a nice footwear business for Mudd that is in Mervyns for a couple of million bucks. And then the other -- I would say if there was one closing that has hurt us over the last couple of years, it would be the Demo closing for Rocawear. That was somewhere around 3% to 5% of the business. But we managed to find that business elsewhere. But none of the other businesses had our brands, which is maybe why they filed. I'm only kidding.

Actually, on the Rocawear, could you talk a little bit about the Urban category? And I don't know if you have the updates on market share for Rocawear?

I think it has been similar to a lot of the other businesses, and it has definitely not had the growth rate, but Urban is still growing probably low single digits. Luckily Rocawear is at the top of the class. And I think it is more of a consolidation where a lot of lower brands are going away, and the premier brands are picking up their market share, and therefore maintaining their business. So we feel pretty good.

Also everything that Jay is doing with Rocawear, and his team, is really just so on target. We have such an amazing new ad campaign where Jay is featured in it and starred it. Our business is pretty solid there, and it is also starting to crossover a little more outside of Urban with the new collection. So we're pretty excited about everything that has happened at Rocawear.

With new fragrance launch, which Elizabeth Arden is going to be spending close to double -- close to $10 million in launching the Rocawear fragrance, which really looks amazing, with that rollout that is happening in the next 30 days. So there's a lot of good things happening there.

Eric Beder, Brean Murray.

Congratulations. Could you talk a little bit about -- when we look in the second half, how much of that revenue is guaranteed, based upon your guidance you have given here?

I'm not assured so between first and second half, but generally for the year it was around 70%. So I don't think there is a change in the quarters or the first or the second, but about 70% is guaranteed. With some of the new agreements we have made it might have gone up a little bit, but generally about 70%.

In terms of OP could you talk a little bit about what has happened with that? You are spend a lot time talking about Starter and the other ones. And what is going on with OP in terms of expansion categories? How has that been accepted at Wal-Mart?

OP was a big success at Wal-Mart. It was in 1,000 stores. And we don't have our final door count for next year, we're hoping for all doors. We know we have -- we have taken over -- pretty much the majority of all the swim category at Wal-Mart is now going to be OP. Which is a big business. And all the opened up footwear and the flip-flops are now OP in all doors. We're also working on some outposts in the stores, expanding categories.

But we're pretty excited what happened there. It was a wonderful reaction. Wal-Mart did an amazing job in executing the product. And we're pretty encouraged that we think Wal-Mart has the potential to be a huge business as it continues to expand.

What has been the response in the Sears stores to Joe Boxer?

It has been just okay, because it really hasn't been rolled out substantially. It is a small business. It is around a $30 million to $50 million business. But they have a new merchandising team. I think the third in the last three years -- just joined. And Mr. [Israel] and his team, we're pretty excited about the new plan.

And so although this year wasn't what we had hoped, we're hoping going forward, based on the large success that is happening with Kmart with Joe Boxer, and their expansion plans, we think it could continue to grow.

As a whole we were up about 8% in the first half of the year, which is good. And so hopefully when Sears gets into gear it could be a lot bigger.

Finally, London Fog, I know you rolled it out last year in Macy's and Hudson's Bay. Have you increased -- [I gather you] increased the products, has there been additional retailers that have taken on that product, or do you want to expand that beyond where it is now?

We now have businesses in Dillard and Nordstrom's, and pretty much -- and Belkin's. I believe we're starting to sell everybody based on the success we've had. And so we think -- London Fog has really been one of our great launches, so we're pretty encouraged about what is going to happen over the next couple of years with London Fog.

Great. Congratulations again.

Mark Kaufman, MLK Investment Management.

Nice quarter. Good luck for the rest of the year. I had one idea, if you want to buy something inexpensive, but about Iconix stock? I also noticed 32% of your shares are short right now. You certainly could surprise a few people. And I just wonder what your thoughts are about that going forward?

Usually in our Board meeting, which we have before every -- at every quarter and often in between quarters, it is usually a two-minute discussion because we are a growth Company and acquisition. But we did talk about it for a long time. And there was a lot of people on the Board that felt it is a tremendous opportunity to buy back our stock.

But after a lot of discussion, we just really love the cash. We think as we continue to build -- stockpile our cash that more opportunities are going to arise over the next six months that are going to be amazing.

We're just seeing as this environment continues to struggle that we all believe that there is going to be some incredible Iconix opportunities. And after a long discussion and a lot of analysis and charts we decided not to enact to buy back at this present time, because we believe we still are a growth company and that there will be other acquisitions that we wish we would have had the cash for when they come up. So we will have the cash.

Sabina Bhatia, Basso Capital.

Going back to your term loan facility, you mentioned that you have $33 million available on this. Can you just give me some details on what is the size of this facility and the maturity on the facility?

The next question also relates to financing. Correct me if I'm wrong, did you mention that you might be placing a new line of financing for acquisitions?

It is Warren Clamen. I will take the questions. The term facility had a $300 million cap in the documentation. And effectively we have drawn on $267 million. So if we wanted to syndicate -- if we wanted to go ahead and ask them to syndicate the balance, which would be $33 million, that is what would be left without touching the term facility documentation. They would have to syndicate it.

Secondly, it is a five-year term with prepayments at any time. It is at L plus 2.25%. And that is really it.

And as far as the next question, we don't have an acquisition facility in place, but as we look at opportunities, we do believe that there is financing based on good opportunities.

What kind of financing rates are you seeing right now?

Not wonderfully. But we have been looking at a lot of different opportunities, but we have seen rates where we were spoiled with -- where our average all-in cost today is around 4.5%, we are seeing opportunities around 10%, 11%, which are not wonderful. And possibly that is why we haven't pulled the trigger on a few deals over the last couple of months.

We have seen a lot of what I would call mediocre or distressed brands. And with the high cost of capital, we just couldn't get there. And so we let other people buy that kind of stuff. And we're just looking for wonderful, great opportunities and great brands, which we do believe -- we are engaged in a couple and we're hoping to get there.

You did mention that you continue to see opportunities for acquisitions (inaudible) the rest of the year. Can you give me some color on the size of acquisitions or anything at all? Can you quantify it in any way for the rest of the year?

We have looked at the various different sizes, and there is a lot of smaller deals under $50 million. We have looked at a couple of $200 million, $300 million, $400 million, $500 million deals. And so we're continuing to keep our eyes open and looking for great iconic brands that are monetized that Iconix could add a lot of growth and marketing skills to it. So we're pretty open to various different types.

And acquisitions would be the priority for use of cash?

Yes. That is how we built our Company and we really believe that we can continue to grow not only organically, but also with great acquisitions.

Last question, as far as the term loan facility is concerned and the covenants, do you just have basic covenants like leverage and interest rate coverage ratios, anything specific, anything outside of the norm?

No. There is just one. We have only one financial covenant, which is a debt to EBITDA and where --.

Jim Chartier, Monness, Crespi & Hardt.

When does the Martha Stewart agreement end at Kmart?

I'm not sure exactly. I don't think that agreement is public. But we have been told that our Cannon business will grow substantially, especially into the back half of '09.

I think it ends January 2010 is what I read. So you see Cannon as being more of a growth opportunity in the second half of the year in '09 and then into 2010?

Yes. We have some pretty nice visibility on a pretty good launch in the spring, where we will be in both Kmart and Sears. And we will work out some exciting marketing ideas. But I think the business will really get strong in the back half of '09, and as you say, mostly in '10.

Are you going to have a similar allocation of floor space and categories in both Sears and Kmart for the brand?

We're still working on the details, so we're not particularly sure of floor space. Traditionally Kmart's home space and home business is a lot larger than the Sears business. And that is I think how Martha is placed. Actually Martha is only in Kmart. We see a bigger opportunity in the Kmart side because of the large business that Martha had, or has.

At this time I am showing you had no further questions. I would like to now turn the back over to management.

Thank you all once again for your interest and listening to our call. As mentioned, we really believe we are in the beginning of an exciting growth stage. The Company is only four years old, and we continue to show the model. I think the key to the model is the strong cash flow, which continues to gain momentum in very difficult times.

So we're pretty excited about what is going forward over the next couple of years. And thanks for your interest.

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