MarineMax Inc (HZO) 2025 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Good day and welcome to the MarineMax Incorporated fiscal 2025 fourth quarter and full-year conference call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation.

I would now like to turn the call over to Scott Solomon of the company's investor relations firm, Sharon Merrill Advisors. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Hosting today's call are Brett McGill, MarineMax's Chief Executive Officer and President; and Mike McLamb, the company's Chief Financial Officer. Brett will begin the call by discussing MarineMax's operating performance and recent highlights. Mike will review the financial results and provide the company's fiscal 2026 financial guidance. Brett will make some concluding comments, and then management will be happy to take your questions.

The earnings release and supplemental presentation associated with today's announcement can be found at investor.marinemax.com.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Mike. Mike?

Thank you, Scott. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining this call.

I'd like to start by reminding you that certain of our comments are forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Any forward-looking statements speak only as of today. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. These risks include, but are not limited to, the impact of seasonality and weather, global economic conditions and the level of consumer spending, the company's ability to capitalize on opportunities or grow its market share, and numerous other factors identified in the company's most recently filed 10-K and 10-Q and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise.

On today's call, we will make comments referring to non-GAAP financial measures. We believe that the inclusion of these financial measures helps investors gain a meaningful understanding of the changes in the company's core operating results. These measures can also help investors who wish to make comparisons between MarineMax and other companies on both a GAAP and a non-GAAP basis. The reconciliation to non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in today's earnings release.

With that, let me turn the call over to Brett. Brett?

Thank you, Mike. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our fiscal fourth quarter and full-year 2025 performance. Let me begin by recognizing our team's exceptional dedication throughout what has been a challenging year for the recreational boating industry. Elevated interest rates, persistent inflation, and the uncertainty stemming from the trade wars and geopolitical tensions have resulted in many consumers deferring their boat purchases. In the face of these headwinds, our team has remained focused on delivering world-class customer experiences that continue to set us apart as reflected in our industry-leading Net Promoter Scores.

Our full year adjusted earnings and adjusted EBITDA were in line with the guidance we gave last quarter. For the fourth quarter, we achieved revenue of over $552 million with same-store sales growth of more than 2%. Despite significant pressure on new boat margins due to the sustained elevated inventory level across the retail industry, our gross margins expanded to 34.7%, demonstrating the strength of our diversified business model and the benefits of our strategic focus on higher-margin businesses such as Finance and Insurance, Parts and Service, Superyacht Services and Marina Operations, including IGY.

These diversified revenue sources provide important balance and support our financial resilience through different macroeconomic and industry cycles. We also benefit from cross-selling opportunities between yacht sales, Superyacht Services, and Marina Operations, and we are regularly finding new ways to unlock synergies between each of these businesses and deliver greater value for our customers and our shareholders. There are many examples, including a 35-meter yacht sale at the recent Fort Lauderdale International Boat Show, which resulted from touch points across all of these businesses.

This is a great example of how we continue to see tangible results across yacht sales, charter bookings, and storage through these connected marketing and sales initiatives. We are confident that our integrated approach will continue to support retail yacht sales and strengthen the connection between Superyacht Services and Marina Operations. On the retail side, we continue to add customer service capabilities and strengthen our network. The launch of our flagship yacht sales and service center in Fort Myers, Florida is representative of MarineMax's focus on innovation and customer service.

This facility spans more than 30,000 square feet and brings together sales, maintenance, storage, and on water services in one convenient location in one of Florida's top yachting and boating markets. Locations like these, which combine world-class service and traditional retailing, enhance the customer experience and support efficient cross-selling of our products and services. As the industry's recognized technology leader, we set the standard for digital innovation in recreational marine services, and we are continuing to invest in technology to support customer growth and engagement.

A great example is Boatyard, our subscription-based customer experience platform, which streamlines service ordering, payment, invoicing and estimating, making the boating experience frictionless for both customers and dealers. Since its launch, Boatyard has been well received by the dealer community and has been recognized as one of the industry's most innovative companies on six occasions. Boatyard's active subscriber growth has increased by more than 160% over the past 12 months.

And while still in its growth phase, this momentum validates our technology leadership and positions us well for continued expansion. In addition to Boatyard, we are harnessing the power of proprietary technology platforms like Customer IQ, our business growth intelligence engine. Customer IQ integrates artificial intelligence and automation to provide us with real-time insights, enabling our sales teams to engage more efficiently and effectively with customers and drive conversions. We're in the process of rolling out Customer IQ across all MarineMax businesses, including IGY and financial services.

It's a step we believe will further amplify the technology's contribution to company-wide growth. Along with these investments in customer service, technology, and innovation, which support long-term value creation, we are also taking steps to optimize our business to enhance operational efficiency. By eliminating underperforming brands and refining our product portfolio, we're aligning more closely with evolving customer demand and driving greater value. Combined with strategic store optimization, this brand and portfolio rationalization enhances operational efficiency and positions MarineMax for stronger returns when macroeconomic conditions normalize.

Before I conclude my prepared remarks, I want to take a moment to update you on the success we had at Fort Lauderdale as well as a few other developments. MarineMax had a significant presence at the recent Fort Lauderdale International Boat Show. I am happy to report that the show was stronger than last year, and several of our displays produced modern error records, which along with great customer engagement is very encouraging. Collectively, we sold more boats at the show than any time post COVID and generated a sizable increase in contracted revenue versus last year.

Across the show, we saw exciting developments in sustainable materials, autonomous features, and enhanced vessel connectivity from a wide range of OEMs. Innovative brands are advancing the industry, and we are exceptionally proud to be partnering with many of these companies. I would add that our brand cruisers yachts launched several new models at the show, including a new 50 Flybridge and the 38 VTR. Overall, cruisers set a post-COVID record show in terms of units and dollars.

Last month, I had the privilege of participating in the ICOMIA World Marina Conference, joining senior executives from the world's largest marina organizations. It was a powerful opportunity to reinforce our role as a strategic voice in marine services, shared perspectives and emerging global trends, and deepen relationships with key stakeholders across the industry. These platforms not only elevate our visibility, they also ensure we remain at the forefront of shaping the future of marine experiences worldwide.

To support our strategic initiatives and long-term positioning, we recently added two distinguished new members to our Board of Directors. Odilon Almeida and Dan Schiappa. Odilon and Dan each have proven track records in driving innovation and scaling complex global operations and we're confident that their expertise and fresh perspectives will yield immediate contributions to our Board and company. Looking at the broader industry landscape, we are optimistic the sector is near or at an inflection point. While the industry is currently managing inventory normalization and macroeconomic uncertainty, the underlying fundamentals for premium recreational boating remain exceptionally strong.

Now let me turn the call over to Mike for our financial review. Mike?

Thank you, Brett. I want to echo Brett's appreciation for our team's outstanding performance during this challenging period. Total revenue for the fourth quarter was over $552 million, which was down modestly from last year due to the impact of our store rationalization efforts, including the strategic closure of 10 stores since December of fiscal '24. During the quarter, same-store sales increased over 2% driven by growth in used boat revenue, Finance and Insurance, Parts and Service and Contributions from superyacht services and Marina Operations, including IGY.

In terms of units, they were down in the quarter as we continue to see a migration to higher average unit prices. Gross profit was over $191 million, and our gross margin increased to 34.7%. The increase in gross margin, as Brett noted, reflects continued growth in our diversified higher-margin businesses and was achieved despite historically low boat margins due to the challenging retail environment. Selling, general and administrative expenses were over $177 million. The increase primarily reflects a greater contribution of service-related revenue, which drives gross margin dollars but does have a higher cost dynamic than retail store operations, along with increases in targeted marketing investments incurred to maximize sales opportunities in a challenging environment as well as higher foreign currency translation costs due to a weaker dollar.

Interest expense was down slightly year over year. The reported net loss in the quarter was just under $1 million or $0.04 per share, which was the same as the adjusted loss per share. Adjusted EBITDA was $17.3 million in the quarter. For fiscal 2025, revenue was $2.31 billion, reflecting a same-store sales decline of just over 2% due to the challenging industry environment, while total revenue declined 5% given our strategic store and brand optimization efforts. Our full-year gross margin was 32.5%, down slightly from last year despite historically low boat margins across the industry. Our reported net loss per share was $1.43 with adjusted earnings per diluted share of $0.61.

Adjusted EBITDA for the full year was about $110 million compared with $160 million in the prior year. Our balance sheet remains strong with cash of more than $170 million despite buying back a significant amount of shares this year, acquiring a great Marina and retail operation in Shelter Bay in the Keys as well as making regular investments in our business, including the opening of IGY Savannah, the Stuart Marine expansion, and the opening of the expanded Fort Myers operation among other initiatives.

Inventories decreased by nearly $40 million year over year, reflecting our continued efforts to optimize inventory levels with our manufacturing partners. Our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was about 2 times at quarter end, providing substantial financial flexibility. Based on current business conditions, recent industry registration data, retail trends, and other relevant factors, we expect fiscal 2026 adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $110 million to $125 million, with adjusted net income in the range of $0.40 to $0.95 per diluted share.

Our guidance assumes industry units for our fiscal year will be down slightly to up slightly depending on the various factors that have affected consumer demand. This implied same-store sales growth will be flattish to slight growth subject to mix. Retail margin pressure is expected to continue across the industry through the end of our fiscal second quarter, which corresponds to the seasonally slower winter months. We expect industry inventory levels to be healthier in the second half of the fiscal year than the same period in fiscal 2025.

Given the success of our higher-margin business expansion, we expect to be able to maintain our annual consolidated gross margins in the low 30s. Our guidance incorporates the currently announced interest rate cuts and uses an annual effective tax rate of 26.5% with a share count of around 22.8 million shares. These projections exclude the potential impact of material acquisitions or other unforeseen developments, including changes in global economic conditions. When you think about 2026, keep in mind, our revenue, EPS, and EBITDA was tracking well for the first six months of 2025 through March despite the challenging environment.

It wasn't until after Liberation Day that things grew much more challenging. As such, our front half comparisons overall are more difficult than the back half comparisons. Now let me comment on current trends. October finished with positive same-store sales growth and Brett discussed the successes we had at the Fort Lauderdale Boat Show. In both cases, we are encouraged, but we also recognize the undeniable softness that has persisted in the industry as evidenced by a soft September, especially for fiberglass boat sales. So while we are encouraged, we are also balanced.

Now let me turn the call back to Brett for closing comments. Brett?

Thank you, Mike. Although our fiscal 2026 outlook reflects a prudent approach in light of macroeconomic uncertainty and persistent industry headwinds, we remain confident in MarineMax's long-term strategy and growth opportunities. Our management team has guided the company through multiple challenging economic cycles, and we believe that the continued execution of our strategy will drive sustainable and profitable growth for our shareholders. Our diversification across higher-margin businesses, combined with our strong balance sheet, support our resiliency in the face of industry headwinds while also providing us with the flexibility to invest in growth and seize emerging opportunities.

We will continue to focus on strategic initiatives and product innovation, digital engagement, and customer experience, areas that are becoming increasingly valuable as buyers become more discerning. The recreational boating industry is approaching several potentially positive inflection points. Industry-wide, inventories are expected to reach more normalized levels over the coming quarters, which should provide margin relief. Additionally, interest rate cuts are generally positive for our consumer, and the further rate cuts that many expect to occur over the coming months should support improved customer demand.

The fundamentals supporting recreational boating remain exceptionally strong. Interest in the boating lifestyle continues to accelerate as evidenced by robust activity levels at our marinas, service centers, and at the recent Fort Lauderdale Boat Show. Premium consumers increasingly view boating not as a discretionary purchase, but as an essential lifestyle. As macroeconomic conditions improve, our strategy positions us to emerge more resilient, more diversified, and uniquely poised to capture the long-term opportunities in the global recreational marine market.

With that, Mike and I will be happy to take your questions. So operator, please open up the line for Q&A.

(Operator Instructions) James Hardiman, Citi.

So obviously, the same-store sales number accelerated nicely from 3Q to 4Q. I was hoping you could help us out just splitting sort of how much of that was units versus ASPs? And then I guess similar question on the month of October. I think you said positive same-store sales for October. Are you actually seeing unit acceleration into the off-season?

Yeah. Great question, James. So obviously, you guys followed the industry, the industry for the core categories that we're in has seen softness, double-digit declines in July, August and September; in some categories, 25% except from a unit perspective. So we typically outperform the industry. So our units for the quarter are down in the mid-single-digit range, which is better than the industry overall.

And so the difference from down mid-single digit to up 2% is the increase in average unit selling price during the quarter. And then on the month of October, you got to keep in mind, the month of October last year, we were dealing with the hurricane in Florida, but our units were up in the month of October, and we also did see a modest increase in average unit selling price.

That's really helpful. And then just very briefly, I just wanted to dig into the rate environment. Obviously, we've gotten a couple of 25 basis points rate cuts. I think the 10-year is modestly lower than maybe the last time we spoke. Are you seeing that show up in terms of relief from your lenders?

And is that having any impact from a consumer perspective, as they contemplate lower payments?

Yeah, James, good question. I think rates for the consumer, obviously, we're kind of dealing in a higher end segment as we've always talked about. So monthly payment maybe isn't driving the need to just rush out and buy something. But I've said before, a lot of our customers are small business owners, construction companies, et cetera. And when there's a rate environment that's more favorable for the business, they get a little more excited and optimistic about things and they come forward with a boat purchase.

So I think both of those things are helping. But consumer feeling better about the rate, I think we see some of that like even at Lauderdale, feeling better about that things are going to come down is given a positive news if they haven't had in a while.

Mike Albanese, The Benchmark Company.

I just want to ask about gross margins. Obviously, jumped, I think, 34% in the quarter. You've been pretty consistent, keeping them above 30% here in a tough market. And obviously, some of that is mix, but it appears your adjacencies are holding up well. Could you just kind of tap into that a little bit deeper?

And I'd love to kind of understand how much of that has been kind of strategic initiatives, cross-sell synergies, et cetera, versus just sustainable demand within those segments?

I can comment. I'll take a first stab. But yeah, in the current environment, boat margins are the second lowest I've seen in 27 years, they're not down as far as they were in the great financial crisis, but they're very low. They're like 300 to 350 basis points below normal. And so hopefully, over time, we'll see some upside in boat margins as inventories normalize.

But I do think our strategy of expanding in these higher-margin categories, whether it's the Marinas, Superyacht Services, Finance and Insurance, Service, Parts and Accessories, there's a lot of different higher-margin components that we've been expanding with. I think, really shines in an environment like this and helps us maintain elevated gross margins overall. It comes through in the quarter.

And Mike, when we set out with this strategy, and we're very focused on it with these higher-margin businesses and the growth we've had in those and the investments we've made in those businesses does show through. It shines. And you ask a question, yes, those businesses have what's close to recurring type revenue as you can get, so you can kind of rely on those types of things. Of course, you've got to manage the business, but we continue to unlock different synergies, cross-selling, consumers feeling good about buying a larger yacht at a MarineMax, Fort Myers location, let's say, and then feeling good about, well, what if I want to put that in charter with Fraser yachts or whatever it might be.

So they feel comfortable with that all the way up to where are they going to put their boat when they get to the Caribbean through our IGY Marina. So we're seeing a lot more of those synergies, and we'll continue to unlock those as well.

Joseph Altobello, Raymond James.

This is Martin on for Joe. I just want to take a finer point on to the promotional drag in the quarter. Could you give a little bit more color to what that headwind was and sort of what we can expect entering the new year?

Yeah. If I understand your question, right, Martin, good question. So the -- I'd say this entire fiscal year, we've seen a very challenged environment because of elevated inventory levels really across the industry certainly true in the current quarter. I just commented a little while ago just how soft boat margins are.

When we think about 2026 and in our guidance, we're not expecting much of a lift in boat margins. I think I commented in my prepared remarks that at least through the winter time, when there's a lot of dealers who are feeling softer sales and increased pressure, when it comes to carrying costs, et cetera, I think the pressure will still be there. It is thought that later on in the year when you get into the summer selling season as inventories begin to normalize, that we could see some relief on the margin side.

Obviously, it won't snap back overnight, but it will potentially begin to improve like in the summertime in the back half (technical difficulty)

Eric Wold, Texas Capital Securities.

Mike, kind of looking at the guidance for fiscal '26, I guess, your industry assumptions relative to your same-store sales? It looks like -- and once I'm reading this wrong, it looks like you're expecting kind of more in line-ish performance with the industry versus kind of more of the outperformance that you've had before, especially given the mix towards higher-end premium boats. Am I reading that wrong? Are you trying to take a little more cautious view on mix? Or how should we think about kind of what's embedded in that guidance in terms of relative performance to the industry.

No, Eric, I think you're reading that right. I think the first assumption is does the industry get to flattish units from negative. That's one assumption that's in there, and then obviously, what happens with mix from our perspective. But I think we're trying to be prudent in terms of our guidance figures because you're right, we typically do outperform what the industry does.

I think we're really trying to see -- let's get through fiscal 2026. Let's see that the industry really does get back to first to 0 instead of negative and then just slightly positive in the second half of the year.

Got it. And then just quickly update us on where you are with your rationalizing kind of operating expenses in general and overhead and kind of what you expect as you move through fiscal '26?

Well, I commented that we have closed 10 stores now since last year, and we've made other cost cuts and savings. There is a current drag that's going on within the business, which is just additional marketing spend, additional inventory maintenance spend, et cetera, and really what the whole industry is having with the slower turns that we've had, which would improve.

But in our 2026 guidance, we're not baking in any substantial additional cost savings from what we're seeing in the current levels of 2025.

Anna Glaessgen, B. Riley Securities.

I'd like to start on same-store sales cadence. On the one hand, it seems that we're assuming some sequential improvement as we get to the back half in terms of market performance. But then on the other hand, we have some sort of one-time laps like lapping the hurricane in Florida the easiest comp in 1Q. So just trying to understand the puts and takes as we think about the shape of the year.

No, it's a great question, and you're right. I mean, the state of Florida was impacted by hurricanes. Our -- we were down negative 11% in the December quarter than up 11% in March. So technically, we do have an easier comparison right now, which is why I said with October being up, it's up against the storms. And then when you go out throughout the year, obviously, the quarter with Liberation Day, which is the June quarter in theory is another easy comp. We were down 9%, and then it sort of levels off in September.

So you do got to bake all that in from the assumption perspective. I think the point that I was trying to make in my prepared remarks is that when you look at our bottom line financial performance in the December quarter and the March quarter, we exceeded our thinking in the street and our guidance in those two quarters from an EBITDA and from an earnings perspective. So when you're modeling out the whole year factoring in the same-store sales questions that you're asking, we actually have an easier comparison from an earnings perspective in the back half of the year than the front half of the year also.

Got it. And then turning back to the boat margin question. Understanding the seasonal aspects of maybe getting some improvement once we get through the March quarter when we enter the retail selling season. But trying to understand kind of like the key drivers of improvement there? Is it getting through some of the aged inventory that maybe competitors feel?

Is it improved market performance? Or is it really just that seasonal aspect that's impacting the first two quarters of the year?

Yeah. I think the aged inventory, getting rid of that, getting inventory levels down to a more manageable level and kind of balancing the supply-demand side is fundamental to everything. The promotional activity is strong. There's also, I think, a consumer sentiment, but prices have really increased over the last five years. So there's pressure on just consumer feeling like they need a discount, even if there's not an aged inventory or too much inventory.

So we just got to kind of lap through that and let customers get back to a more normal buying pattern. But inventory levels are definitely going to help get the margins squared away.

Industry levels, yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen, I will now hand the conference over to Mr. McGill for his closing comments.

Well, thank you, everybody, for joining us today, and I look forward to keeping you updated on our next call. Have a great day.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference of MarineMax Incorporated has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.