Harley-Davidson Inc (HOG) 2020 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to today's Harley-Davidson 2020 Fourth Quarter Investor Analyst Conference Call.

(Operator Instructions) Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the call over to Shannon Burns, Manager of Investor Relations.

Please go ahead.

Good morning, everyone.

Today, we are webcasting the slides for this call.

You can also access the slides at investor.harley-davidson.com.

Our comments will include forward-looking statements that are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different.

Those risks include, among others, matters we have noted in our latest earnings release and filings with the SEC.

Harley-Davidson disclaims any obligation to update information in this call.

Joining me this morning are CEO, Jochen Zeitz; CFO, Gina Goetter.

And our Chief Commercial Officer, Larry Hund, will also be joining us for Q&A.

Jochen, let's get started.

Thank you, Shannon.

I would like to welcome our shareholders, the financial community, dealers, employees and all of our valued stakeholders who are joining us today.

We've extended today's call in order to first review our 2020 financial results to then discuss our new strategic plan, The Hardwire.

2020 was an extraordinary year for most companies with outsized challenges not seen before in our lifetime.

We rose to those challenges.

Our team managed COVID-19 impacts, keeping community well-being at the forefront protecting liquidity and achieving significant cash savings.

We also successfully overhauled the entire company through The Rewire.

As a result, we expect to deliver ongoing gross cash savings of approximately $115 million starting this year.

Just to name a few additional results of The Rewire.

We streamlined our planned product portfolio by 30%, reset motorcycle model year launch timing closer to the start of the riding season, exited 39 markets with a sharpened focus on our highest potential markets, optimized our dealer network reducing the total network by approximately 160 net dealers.

And our approach to supply and inventory management helped tighten dealer inventory by 59%, driving significant increases in key value metrics.

We substantially reshaped and improved all aspects of the company, setting us on a solid footing to deliver the next phase of our transformation.

The entire team pulled together and put forth tremendous effort.

We put in place the right leaders, structure and strategy to perform at a much higher level.

Throughout the year, we also made initial progress towards enhancing desirability.

I'll talk more about this later.

But for now, I will ask Gina to review our financial results for 2020.

Gina?

Thank you, Jochen.

2020 was indeed an extraordinary year for Harley-Davidson.

We took significant actions to reset the company for future success through our Rewire actions and our pandemic response.

Our fourth quarter results reflect the continued execution of our deliberate supply and inventory management approach as well as the impact of our new model year reset from Q3 to Q1 each year.

With these strategic shifts, our Q4 revenue and margin were down significantly versus a year ago, but exceeded our internal expectations for the quarter.

Fourth quarter results were also impacted by $44 million of restructuring costs and brand investments to support the reset a new model year launch timing.

Financial services had another strong quarter with operating income of $77 million, which is up 31%, driven primarily by a lower provision for credit losses.

On a full year basis, total revenue was down 24%, driven by the Motorcycle unit declines, and we delivered consolidated operating income of $10 million, resulting in full year earnings per share of $0.01.

Adjusted earnings per share is $0.77, which excludes the impact of restructuring and tariffs.

Rewire restructuring charges totaled $130 million for the full year.

As a result of these restructuring actions, we reset our cost structure, effectively lowering our cost base by approximately $115 million.

In Q4 and for the full year, global retail sales and market share of new Harley-Davidson motorcycles were down compared to last year, reflecting tight retail inventory and the shift in timing of our model year launch.

Across the dealer network, retail inventory of new motorcycles was down 64% in the U.S. and 51% internationally.

We continue to see the positive impact related to our inventory and supply management efforts.

These actions are driving fundamental improvements across our business and are creating value for our dealers and customers, through stronger transaction prices for both new and used motorcycles and a successful network of dealers.

Motorcycle segment revenue was down 39% in Q4 on a 48% decrease in motorcycle shipments versus 2019, related to the impact of the model year changeover and our supply and inventory management efforts.

The impact of motorcycle mix was slightly negative as the increased contribution from Touring was offset by the decreased contribution from the Cruiser segment.

Complementary business performance in the quarter was anchored by a 13% increase in Parts and Accessories revenue due to strong used-motorcycle sales in the quarter.

On a full year basis, revenue was down 29% and a year-over-year motorcycle shipment decline of 32%.

An unfavorable mix shift of motorcycle models was partially offset by higher pricing and fewer sales incentives, in line with our ongoing approach to supply and inventory management.

Moving on to margins.

Absolute gross margin was down in the fourth quarter and full year due to lower shipments, product mix and unfavorable foreign currency exchange.

These headwinds were partially offset by favorable raw materials, pricing and lower incremental tariffs within manufacturing.

The Motorcycle segment finished with an operating loss for both the quarter and the full year as we navigated COVID and executed The Rewire actions needed to properly position the company to execute The Hardwire plan.

Marketing investment was up $20 million in Q4 as we invested ahead to support the new model year launch in early 2021.

For the full year, we aggressively managed costs and realized $126 million of SG&A savings.

Financial Services segment operating income in Q4 was $77 million, up over 30% compared to last year.

Net interest income was down due to higher average outstanding debt as we proactively managed liquidity during the ongoing pandemic.

The Q4 total provision for credit losses was $36 million favorable to last year, with about half of the decrease due to the actual credit loss performance.

Retail credit losses continued to be down versus last year as a result of lower delinquencies, driven by a high-volume of COVID-related loan and payment extensions for qualified customers earlier in the year as well as improved used motorcycle values at auction.

The remaining change in the provision for credit losses was driven by lower finance receivables in Q4, partially offset by a smaller increase in the overall reserve rate as compared to last year.

We believe the allowance for credit losses appropriately reflects the company's outlook on economic conditions and represents estimated lifetime losses in our portfolio at the end of the year.

Operating expenses in the quarter were unfavorable versus prior year due to primarily restructuring charges.

Despite the challenges of 2020, the Financial Services segment delivered a very solid year.

New retail originations in Q4 were down 1.5% versus last year, but market share for new U.S. retail financing remains strong.

New retail motorcycle originations were down on lower new retail sales inventory availability, partially offset by higher used motorcycle originations.

For the year, HDFS finished just under $3 billion in loan originations and with a historically strong market share at nearly 68%.

At the end of the quarter, HDFS had $2.59 billion of cash and cash equivalents and $1.35 billion of liquidity available through bank credit and conduit facilities for a total available liquidity of $3.94 billion.

Cash and cash equivalents remained elevated as we prudently hold cash in the face of ongoing economic uncertainty.

HDFS continues to manage its debt-to-equity ratio between 5 and 7x and well within the debt covenants of no higher than 10:1.

HDFS' retail 30-day plus delinquency rate was 3.18% down 121 basis points compared to the fourth quarter of last year.

The retail credit loss ratio was also favorable at 1.38%, a 62 basis point improvement over last year.

The favorable delinquency performance is largely due to a high-volume of COVID-related extensions on retail loan payment due dates during 2020.

The vast majority of the extended accounts have made at least 1 payment after the expiration of their extension period.

And we do expect that the delinquency rate will normalize over time.

Shifting back to Harley-Davidson, Inc.

financial results.

We ended the quarter with $3.26 billion in cash and cash equivalents, as we maintain high liquidity through the pandemic.

Full year operating cash flow was $1.18 billion, up 36% over prior year, demonstrating the positive effects of The Rewire despite a challenging year.

Key drivers of the improved cash flow were lower inventory levels and the impact from wholesale financing.

Additionally, we tightly managed our capital expenditures as part of our efforts to preserve cash, finishing the year down $50 million versus 2019.

Finally, the company recorded an income tax benefit during 2020 driven by a pretax loss and favorable discrete income tax benefits recorded during the year.

And now I'll turn it back to Jochen, who will take us through our 5-year strategic plan.

Thank you, Gina.

Now let's look forward and talk about our Hardwire 5-year strategic plan that will guide Harley-Davidson into the future.

It's been 11 months since we started this journey together as our world was gripped by the pandemic.

We've successfully completed The Rewire, a comprehensive playbook across all aspects of our business to drive efficiency, speed and focus that we believe will yield significant results.

We've also conducted a rigorous strategic review leading to the development of a clear path for the future, The Hardwire.

This will be powered by H-D#1, a high-performing winning culture based on 10 clearly defined leadership principles.

Our Hardwire strategic plan is rooted in desirability.

Our ambition is to enhance our position as the most desirable motorcycle brand in the world.

Desirability is a motivating force driven by emotion.

Harley-Davidson has long been associated with igniting desirability.

It's in our DNA and is embedded in our vision.

It is at the heart of our mission, and it is part of our 118-year legacy.

Done right, Harley-Davidson's desirability preserves the value of our customers' purchases, builds our brand beyond our riders and ensures loyalty and drives engagement.

Our strategic ambition for desirability is therefore very simple.

Design, engineer and advance the most desirable motorcycles in the world reflected in quality, innovation and craftsmanship.

Build a lifestyle brand valued for the emotion reflected in every product and experience for riders and non-riders alike, and focus on our customers delivering adventure and freedom for the soul.

Desirability starts with the most coveted motorcycles in the world, machines that are the embodiment of innovation and evolution.

It then extends across our complete offering: parts, accessories, general merchandise and financial services that complement and enhance the riding experience and define the Harley-Davidson lifestyle.

Desirability is also reflected in world-class go-to-market brand and marketing experience that build awareness, excitement and commitment with an elevated brand voice and a digital focus on the customer and their journey.

And finally, by building more opportunities to broaden our connections through a marketplace that becomes the leading destination for all things motorcycle, driving diverse experiences and continuing to define motorcycle culture.

We believe Harley-Davidson is uniquely suited to lead across all aspects.

We are committed to desirability as a framework for our operations and our business, and are tracking our progress with a comprehensive dashboard.

This will include inventory levels and the price gap between retail and MSRP, and between new and used motorcycles.

The priorities of our Hardwire strategic plan are built upon desirability.

We intend to: one, invest in our strongest motorcycle segments that drive profit; two, selectively expand into and redefine segments where we have a winning offering; three, invest in innovation in the electric market, which will be a critical part of our future; four, grow our complementary businesses, both in product and lifestyle; five, enhance and customize the Harley-Davidson experience for all customers, riders and non-riders, across all steps of the customer and purchase journey; and six, prioritize inclusive stakeholder management and how we think about people, planet and profit.

I will now provide some context around each priority.

Through The Rewire, we streamlined our product portfolio.

The Hardwire plan reflects a clearer alignment on the focus of our time and energy captured by 70:20:10 construct with the lion's share focused on our stronghold segments of Touring, Large Cruise and Trike.

We maintain an enviable position as share leaders in these segments that are the most attractive with the largest profits.

We intend to both defend and grow these positions where we're leading to power profitability.

As we talk about growth in our stronghold segments, I must address our position and the health of the overall market.

The data makes it clear that these segments have demonstrated steady aggregate demand.

Customers remain engaged and willing to purchase Harley-Davidson bikes.

There are 2 distinct parts to this market: new bikes and used bikes, both of which present opportunities, which we will pursue.

Our approach to capture growth in our stronghold segment is twofold and laser-focused.

Inspiring our most loyal customers to upgrade to exciting new offerings and choose Harley-Davidson as the additional bikes and compelling new customers and riders to choose Harley-Davidson.

A new bike that provides novelty and innovation, a way appropriate for their circumstances, a used bike that gets them into the Harley family and opens new revenue opportunities.

We believe these actions will deliver solid margins by driving reengagement and repeat purchase while bringing new customers into the brand in our core segments.

Creating compelling reasons for repeat purchases is therefore key.

We will deliver through inspirational products that live up to our vision.

Touring and large Cruiser customers will be differentiated yet true to Harley products that motivate them to buy our new models.

We're investing in design, technology and performance enhancement that push the boundaries while maintaining a balance between classing and cutting-edge designs.

We also plan to extend and expand the opportunity to ride for new and existing customers by providing comfort, ease of use and modern styling on our Trike models.

We believe there's untapped potential for traditional trikes where we lead the industry.

Just don't expect to see too many product details ahead of time.

As we've said before, we're keeping our cards close until we launch our new bikes.

Returning our focus to our stronghold categories is only the first part of our strategic plan.

In line with 70:20:10, we will also selectively focus on a set of opportunities that we believe deliver on 2 critical conditions.

They are attractive and profitable segments that deliver a balanced combination of volume, margin and potential, and they are well aligned with our product and brand capabilities with a clear path to leadership.

By narrowing our focus on those opportunities that meet these criteria, we make our intention clear.

We will be in them to win.

Supported by the right allocation of time and energy, balanced with the right investments in product, brand and go-to-market capabilities.

This winning combination is evident in Pan America, an exciting new product that we believe will transform our market participation and provide the ability to compete effectively in a new space.

Adventure Touring is the largest segment in many European markets with both attractive margins and high growth.

It's also a largely untapped segment in North America, and we're excited by the potential it unlocks for Harley-Davidson.

This segment is a natural fit.

With Pan America, we've built Adventure Touring and are expanding the language of the Harley-Davidson Touring experience deeply rooted in our history.

I invite you to join us on February 22 for the Pan America review.

As part of our profitable expansion within segments, we also plan to reinvent and increase profitability in middleweight cruisers.

Our new Revolution X engine provides a versatile platform that enables expansion across segments.

This will provide us with what we believe is a highly competitive and profitable path in a segment that expands our relevance to a greater customer set beyond our stronghold offerings.

We will have a first glimpse of this also on the 22nd.

The Rewire radically simplified our geographic footprint and identified the markets that will matter most for our future, including the U.S.; DACH, which is Germany, Austria and Switzerland; Japan, China, Canada, France, U.K., Italy, Australia and New Zealand.

We have taken the next step towards driving these markets to full potential by identifying the right product and go-to-market approach for each.

And in many instances, bringing in new leaders with the right experience and capabilities.

These markets are the most profitable, which is nowhere more evident than in our commanding presence in the single largest and most important motorcycle market in the world, the United States.

They also include high potential geographies, most notably China, where our product and brand are well-respected and highly desirable.

This does not represent turning our back on the rest of the world and the potential of emerging markets, but we have an understanding that a more focused investment with the right capabilities and approach has a clearer path to success than disaggregated volume across the globe with scattered product fit or market strength.

As part of our 10% focus, we intend to continue to test further avenues for long-term growth, such as premium low displacement via partnerships and actively evaluate other opportunities.

We're also leveraging a series of choices made in The Rewire that support and empower our stronger product segments that preserve their desirability and that stay true to the 70:20:10 time and energy allocation.

A streamlined product portfolio that allows for more focused investment from development to the frontline sales, a deliberate management of supply, inventory and demand dynamics in the market and a rational use of promotions.

As I've said before, we aim to deliver enough fuel for our growth but will not chase volume for volume's sake.

Optimized operations and, in particular, our supply chain that enable cost efficiency and transforms our capabilities in critical geographies like EMEA, with the goal of closing regional profitability differences.

And a renewed focus on craftsmanship and pride in manufacturing as well as greater responsiveness to the customization and choices that matter most to our customers.

Our combustion motorcycles will drive our business for years to come; however, electric motorcycles are important to our long-term success.

We are fully committed to and passionate about leading in electric motorcycles.

We are proud to be the pioneers in this space through LiveWire, widely regarded as the leading electric motorcycle in the world.

Our intent is to remain at the forefront of electric through investment in technology, while we recognize the long-term horizon required for groundbreaking developments in the segments we want to compete in.

The nature of electric calls for unique and game-changing approach, and I'm excited to share a few details of this with you today.

We will be focusing our electric strategy through a separate division with a leadership team solely dedicated to developing the most desirable electric motorcycles in the world.

Our plans for product and go-to-market will be grounded in the expectations of a clear customer segmentation with cutting-edge developments, distinct brand focus with innovative, digital and physical experience on the path to purchase.

The creation of a separate division will allow full autonomy to EV development, freeing the business units to behave with the same agility and speed as a tech start-up, while still leveraging the support, expertise and oversight of the broader organization, allowing for cross-pollination of innovation in electric with combustion product development.

This path will also create the option for partnerships to achieve synergies for future developments.

Electric will forge the way in the new sector and help lead the long-term transformation of the company.

You will hear more later this year as we execute on this vision.

We've always been more than a machine, and our related businesses are more than just complementary.

Parts and Accessories, General Merchandise and Financial Services are all important pillars to our future success as a global lifestyle brand.

In addition, HDFS is a strategic asset that drives Harley-Davidson's success as a company, and we intend to expand on that internationally.

There's untapped potential of these businesses to grow our customer base and add to customer lifetime value.

Our plan emphasizes accelerated growth and profitability of these important businesses through expanded efforts to drive attach rates at more points throughout the purchase journey, including a digital-first path-to-purchase and improve offerings and stronger execution based on the clear omnichannel strategy.

We create products, services and experiences that inspire our customers to discover adventure and live the Harley-Davidson lifestyle.

We intend to regain our role as the destination for high-quality parts for all our riders, tapping into the vast universe of used motorcycles.

We will focus on the categories that best enhance the value of our motorcycles for our riders.

Customization is part of our heritage.

We plan to increase point-of-purchase accessorization.

Deepening the commitment to riding and our brand, digital investments will simplify and enhance the experience to target purchases of new and used Harleys at more points along their journey.

Harley-Davidson riding gear is authentic to motorcycle culture.

We plan to build brand commitment through General Merchandise by growing in our strongest, most desirable categories, including riding gear, leathers and sportswear.

We also intend to enhance our emphasis on customers who are drawn to the brand by expanding beyond our traditional categories and retail channels to further tap into lifestyle opportunities.

Our HDFS business has a strong track record of delivering growth and profitability, but we believe there's more room to build globally and leverage its potential.

We intend to expand HDFS into the preferred choice for all Harley-Davidson riders by building digital capabilities that rival the innovators and financial services.

This includes the creation of a preowned Harley-Davidson program called Harley-Davidson certified.

This program is designed to lead our industry and reach new customers in partnership with our dealers to enhance the overall experience while also supporting growth in Parts and Accessories, General Merchandise and HDFS businesses.

There's also opportunity in how we bring our iconic products to our customers.

Our goal is to build an ecosystem of experiences and retail opportunities that makes us both the premier digital and physical destination.

Our plans include world-class brand content under our enthusiast mastered and a new take on our loyalty programs, relevant content tailored to audiences, driving traffic and awareness of our brand and sharing experience of our riders and fans.

A redesigned set of experience that brings together our diverse communities and enhance the Harley-Davidson lifestyle, driving engagement and a world-class marketplace for all Harley-Davidson businesses driving revenue.

We believe we have the unique ability to succeed given our highly engaged customers and new ones that we will attract to the brand.

No other motorcycle brand even comes close to Harley-Davidson in this regard.

Our dealers, our partners in The Hardwire.

Through The Rewire, we jointly took action to strengthen and optimize the dealer network and drive efficiency and better execution, efforts that will continue into the future.

We created new incentive structures that align company dealer goals more closely, focusing on competing with other brands rather than within our network.

We've invested significant resources aimed at improving the network's overall profitability as we believe that a powerful network of successful dealers is essential to delivering the best Harley-Davidson experience for our customers.

As we execute The Hardwire, we look forward to our continued partnership, leveraging our dealer capabilities, to deliver industry-leading experiences, supported by strong, at-scale, digital capabilities and marketing investments.

The Hardwire puts our customers at the center of our product, experiences and our investments.

We use the word customer very deliberately, whether rider has locked thousands of miles, is new to motorcycling, owns a used or new bike, is deeply invested in the lifestyle, or simply loves the adventure and freedom the brand represents.

This inclusive customer focus, whatever their relationship to Harley-Davidson, is a powerful driver of The Hardwire.

Our enhanced view of our customers is reflected in how we think about them and their engagement with the brand.

Over half of our new bike purchases are experienced riders at different stages of the engagement with motorcycling.

These customers are an enormous asset with high lifetime value and repeat purchase patterns.

They're also very important to our profitability and The Hardwire aims to deepen their connection to Harley.

Our remaining customers are either new to motorcycling or are connecting through the brand as a lifestyle, providing a lifeblood of growth in future years.

Retaining them, expanding share of wallet, and inspiring them into deeper stages of the journey is also important.

Let me also address an important point around customers.

Much has been said about the aging of motorcycling and our riders.

Our data suggests there is a more nuanced story to be told.

Our customers are diverse, joining motorcycling and the brand at all life stages and ages, including younger age groups.

While we automatically skew towards middle-aged riders, given the segments we are in, our customer age profile is very similar to that of our closest competitors.

Our brand lends itself to customers, who age into and then stay with Harley in line with distinct psychographics that make our brand appealing to them.

Our improved customer segmentation and efforts to reach audiences through multiple digital channels with relevant content, allow us to connect with people of all age groups that we are targeting.

Our planned product offerings will also help us expand our reach across a wider age range.

Significantly enhanced digital efforts and products like Adventure Touring and redefined middleweight bikes, for example, are aimed at attracting riders and inspiring customers who further diversify our profile.

In line with this new perspective on the richness and nuance of our customer, our marketing investments will be focused on elevating an authentic, powerful and trendsetting brand voice that speaks to each customer segment specifically tailored to our core markets.

The key to our Hardwire approach is recognizing different needs and expectations of each segment across the consumer experience and purchase journey, ensuring each touch point is tailored to what they want and how they want to engage with us.

From an omnichannel purchase journey to a thriving community that rewards loyalty, engagement, and riding, to efficient service experience and personalized outreach, we are building upon a vision of customer experience designed to lead the industry.

Delivering on this vision, for our customers, will rely on deeper knowledge and understanding of our existing and new customers, powered by a more coherent and holistic view of who they are through the power of integrated data.

Our goal is to deliver a seamless interaction with our customers, facilitating and personalizing the individual and collective experience with Harley-Davidson.

Ultimately, the success of Hardwire in being the winner in all things motorcycle will be based on keeping our customers and their personal experience with Harley-Davidson at the forefront of our efforts.

I've spoken today about our product and experiences, our ambitions and our focus on our customers.

I've also noted the importance of our diverse community to our success, and there are many stakeholders included here.

Inclusive stakeholder management is the unifying theme for how we will think about our role in society, giving us purpose beyond just financial performance.

In this regard, embracing and promoting inclusivity across every aspect of our community will be central, United We Will Ride.

Inclusive stakeholder management is considerate of our people, planet and profit, as all 3 are deeply embedded in the past and future success of our brand and company.

We strive to deliver long-term value to all stakeholders through innovation that learns from yesterday, challenges today and rewrites tomorrow.

Evolution to shared prosperity for all our stakeholders through inclusive, sustainable and fair markets, and emotion in our efforts to enhance our customers' lives, providing adventure, connection to the world and the community around them.

Here's how we are thinking about people, planet and profit.

First, people.

Employees, dealers, customers, suppliers, investors and society.

Realizing our best sales by embodying the spirit of a winning H-D#1 culture and community by creating a high performing, engaged and diverse workforce where we're attracting and retaining the talent we need to win.

Making Harley-Davidson synonymous with a highly desirable, inspiring and safe workplace from our offices to our factories by evolving our spaces and how we work.

Our efforts also include fostering an inclusive and welcoming dealer network and a diverse supply base focused on ethical, sustainable and equity-based purchasing and sourcing practices.

When we think about planet, it includes our role in sustaining the planet by establishing a path to net-zero environmental impacts while delivering on the Harley-Davidson mission.

And profit through our focus on desirability, we plan to drive profitability and shareholder returns.

We also want to closely align the rewards of our employees with our shareholders, and are offering an equity grant to approximately 4,500 employees at the start of The Hardwire.

All employees from factory workers to executives will benefit when the company succeeds.

With this expanded approach, everyone wins.

This is the first in the history of our company, acknowledging the important contributions of everybody in our workforce in making Harley-Davidson successful.

Finally, a few words to close out my remarks in The Hardwire, before I hand it over to Gina to discuss our financial outcomes.

Our intent is to build trust in Harley-Davidson and confidence in what our new team is able to achieve.

In the past years, we've overcommitted and under-delivered.

We are now committed to setting realistic expectations, and we know that execution is everything.

As The Rewire has shown, our new H-D#1 culture will define a new level of accountability, capability, performance and competitive spirit.

We will continue to develop and drive that ethos through The Hardwire and beyond and I will challenge the team to strive for the highest performance to unlock upside.

Now Gina will take you through our financial targets.

Thank you, Jochen.

In line with our commitment to set realistic expectations and target profitable growth, we believe our 5-year targets will demonstrate continual progress through 2025 on several critical dimensions, and they are a step change from our recent historical performance.

Through 2021 to 2025, the term of The Hardwire, our targets are as follows: for the Motorcycle segment, we are targeting mid-single-digit annual revenue growth with solid growth expectations in Motorcycles, Parts and Accessories, and General Merchandise.

We also expect the Motorcycle segment operating margin to show steady improvement from 2019, our most recent comparable year, driven by increased efficiencies across our operations, and leverage within SG&A as we maintain a lean cost structure.

We will continue to invest back into the business and brand and have included the anticipated investments in our updated margin profile.

In Financial services, we are targeting operating income to grow double digits, 2021 through 2025, behind growth in the Motorcycle segment and optimization of our digital platform.

We expect capital spending to be between $190 million and $250 million each year behind defined Hardwire investments.

This includes the capital required to innovate across our core product families.

It also includes initial investments supporting the separate EV division as well as capital needed to build out an enhanced digital ecosystem.

Finally, we are targeting low double-digit EPS growth 2021 through 2025.

As we look at the Motorcycle segment, operating margin through 2025, we are targeting a steady year-over-year improvement, leading to healthier margin levels than our recent past.

As I talked about earlier, the negative operating margin in 2020 was primarily driven by the impacts of COVID and the restructuring actions and costs incurred as part of The Rewire.

As we look forward, we believe our steady margin growth will be fueled by focus on our most profitable motorcycle categories, optimization across our operation, outsize growth of our complementary businesses, and maintaining a lean SG&A cost structure.

The Hardwire will require significant investment, most notably product innovation across combustion and electric, brand investment and enhancement of our digital capabilities, which are reflected in our current margin projections.

Turning to cash allocation.

We have 2 priorities moving forward: First, we will fund our Hardwire plan and capital and brand investments that we believe will drive our expected operating income and double-digit EPS growth through 2025.

Our second priority is to reward shareholders through dividends, starting with a Q1 cash dividend of $0.15 per share that we announced in our press release this morning.

We plan to reserve remaining cash for high-return investment opportunities to accelerate growth and unlock upside within The Hardwire framework.

At this time, significant share repurchases are not planned as we prioritize cash for these top 2 priorities.

Our objective is to deliver shareholder returns that are commensurate with our industry and the results of our business, while also recognizing that seeding the right investments for future growth will provide long-term value for our shareholders beyond 2025.

For the first year of our Hardwire plan execution, we expect to continue to manage through the ongoing uncertainties brought on by COVID and the impact to our revenue and supply chain.

Our guidance for 2021 is as follows: Motorcycle segment revenue growth between 20% and 25% versus last year with operating margins of 5% to 7%, which includes the $115 million of cost savings benefit delivered as part of The Rewire initiatives.

Additionally, we expect to incur approximately $20 million of restructuring charges early in 2021 related to The Rewire actions.

We expect total Financial Services operating income growth between 10% and 15% versus last year.

And lastly, we are planning for capital expenditures between $190 million and $220 million.

And now I'll hand it back to Jochen.

Thanks, Gina.

Let me summarize.

We're building on desirability and we'll continue our cultural journey as H-D#1, committed to being a world-class team, leadership and talent, that is fully aligned with our unique vision and mission as a company and brand.

Our Hardwire plan is built around 6 strategic priorities: invest in our strongest motorcycle segments that drive profit; selectively expand into and redefine segments where we have a winning offering; invest in the electric market and innovation, which we believe is a critical part of the future of our business; grow our Complementary businesses, both in product and lifestyle; enhance and customize the Harley-Davidson experience for all customers, riders and non-riders across all steps of the journey; and finally, prioritize inclusive stakeholder management and how we think about people, planet and profit.

Maintaining focus on these 6 strategic priorities, we believe will deliver profitable growth and solid returns.

Our priorities are bold, and I will challenge the team to strive for the highest performance to unlock further upside within The Hardwire.

This is an exciting time and opportunity to transform one of the most recognized and iconic brands in the world with a new strategic plan and new leadership team.

We're looking forward to sharing more about The Hardwire playbook as we execute our plan.

Now let's take your questions.

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from James Hardiman from Wedbush Securities.

A lot to digest here, obviously.

Really appreciate all of the qualitative color around the new Hardwire plan.

I think all of the goals make a lot of sense to The Street.

But I wanted to dig in maybe into some of the quantitative aspects of this.

You've given us some pretty good guidance for 2021.

I do the simple math here, and I get basically in the low $2 of earnings range.

And then we have the through 2025 guidance, which is the low double digit earnings, which basically gets me into the mid $3 range -- low to mid $3 range, which is basically what you did in 2019.

So I'm trying to sort of make sure I understand that essentially, the longer-term plan is understandably conservative, and I get the idea of maybe under-promising and over-delivering.

But it seems like the goal here is basically where we were last year.

Tell me where I'm sort of off on some of that math.

No.

I think that your math is getting into generally the right spot.

And what I'd say in terms of where we've been historically as a company is setting very high expectations and then not delivering on those.

So we wanted to purposely set a baseline that we are committed to, we're confident in delivering.

And as Jochen said in his remarks, finding ways to over-deliver on that guidance.

But right now, we are planning for kind of how you said it, to get back and slowly build kind of nice growth year after year after year, a sustainable model.

I got it.

And then just maybe a little bit of a clarification.

In The Hardwire plan, I forget the wording, but it was basically to improve -- consistently improve operating margins versus 2019, but then it actually seems like 2021 operating margins are a step back from 2019.

Am I thinking about that the right way?

Or am I maybe mixing GAAP or non-GAAP in some way, but I have you guys doing sort of a mid 9% operating margin in 2019, that's non-GAAP versus, call it, 5% to 7% for 2021 -- yes, go ahead.

Yes, on a GAAP basis, what I would say is that we will be improved versus our 2019 levels.

And then slowly building year after year through the course of The Hardwire plan.

Slowly improving GAAP.

And so the 5% to 7% is GAAP for both 2019 and 2021 and sort of the go-forward basis?

Correct.

And your next question will come from Shawn Collins from Citigroup.

So I wanted to ask, I know you had your new product launch, just, I think, 1.5 week ago.

And I just wanted to ask what the reaction to that has been so far?

If you could talk about that.

Sure.

This is Larry Hund, Shawn.

Just a quick comment on -- Shawn, this is Larry Hund.

Just a quick comment on the '21 launch, good response from customers, good response from dealers so far.

So we are pleased with that.

And then obviously, looking forward to the reveal of Pan America here in a couple of weeks.

Our next question will come from Gerrick Johnson from BMO Capital Markets.

So you're talking about investing more into core Touring and large Cruisers, but at the same time, you're going to be compelling new riders to choose Harley.

How do you plan to do that without investing in smaller displacement bikes?

I understand that Pan American, but are you no longer committed to, say, the Sportster segment?

And it seems like to get new riders, you would have to lure them from the other brands, which seems a little bit more difficult than getting them at the entry level.

So if you can discuss more in-depth how you plan on bringing new riders into your ecosystem?

Yes.

As I said, in addition to Touring and large Cruisers, there are other opportunities as part of our 70:20:10 construct.

And the 20% includes entering new segments and expanding profitably in the existing segments.

So that -- the new segment would be Adventure Touring, as an example, and the existing segment would be middleweight Cruisers, which would include Sporters.

And as I also said, I believe, the 10% includes us looking at premium low displacement in markets where we see an opportunity primarily through partnerships.

So all of these segments are critical segments as part of the Hardwire going forward and should enable us to bring new riders into the sport, before they enter Touring and large Cruisers.

Your next question will come from Craig Kennison from Baird.

It's on the certified pre-owned program.

What are the economics of that CPO program?

And are there any direct revenues for Harley-Davidson or it's really a -- is it just a function of kind of indirect benefits that your brand gets from higher used prices and then, of course, dealers benefit from being able to sell bikes in the network?

There are benefits, direct and indirect, obviously.

I mean, first of all, the pre-owned program will be professionally inspected, verified, mechanically sound, backed by 12-month limited warranty.

And those are exclusively available at participating Harley-Davidson dealerships.

So that's the benefit of the dealers.

And there is obviously a small markup included for HDFS that will enhance our overall customer experience and support the growth of HDFS as a complementary business.

So we see that as a further driver of profitability for HDFS as well.

And just a little bit of background, the total part of used Harley-Davidson motorcycles; if you look at the entire ecosystem, it's essentially 3 million motorcycles with about 1/3 being 7 years or older.

So we see that there's a great opportunity with a focus on a program that will certify bikes that are no older than 5 years and have no more than 25,000 miles.

So there's the focus.

And those customers, we believe, are -- have the highest potential to also get them engaged in new motorcycles in the future.

And it also is a competitive move because we are the only ones through our dealerships that can actually certify these motorcycles, which should be an additional benefit for customers to come to Harley-Davidson dealers and come to Harley-Davidson rather than going to anybody else, who might service Harley-Davidson motorcycles.

Our next question will come from Jaime Katz from Morningstar.

I'm hoping you can elaborate a little bit on the 2021 revenue growth for motorcycles?

And whether you can maybe bisect that between volume and price expectations?

Jaime, at this time, we're not giving out that guidance.

So we're giving the guidance of 20% to 25% revenue growth off of 2020.

What we can add is, in terms of pricing, I think that's important to note, the pricing of our bikes, in particular, have not really changed to previous years.

So we've kept more or less our pricing constant.

So that might help you.

Okay.

On top of that, can you maybe help us think about when inventory in the dealer channel normalizes?

It seems like this has been sort of a multiyear rightsizing, but I'm not sure if that is something that will persist through 2021.

And then, will get sort of to where we want to be to optimally fill the channel?

Or if there's something else you guys are thinking?

So Jaime, this is Larry.

Just a couple of comments on dealer inventory.

I'd say our approach to dealer inventory and supply management, it really isn't a short-term or temporary measure, it really is a fundamental change in how we're doing business going forward.

It's a key action to make sure our motorcycles are the most desirable in the world.

And we focused in 2020 on initiatives and products that drive value and create that desirability.

And we essentially eliminated promotions and discounting, while we focused on strengthening the brand.

So we are very pleased with the results of the actions we've taken.

And we intend to continue to manage inventory tightly and continue to drive that desirability.

And your next question will come from Greg Badishkanian from Wolfe Research.

It's actually Fred Wightman on for Greg.

If we just look at the top line guidance that you guys gave for the '21 - '25 period, can you talk about what you think that gets you to in terms of market share?

Is the way to think about it that you'll probably get back to 2019, early 2020 market share figures by the end of that '25 period?

Or should we be thinking about it differently?

So when we think about...

You know -- go ahead, Gina.

No, go ahead, Larry.

Go ahead.

No, I was going to say that we are really not -- we obviously focus on market share, but most importantly, we are focused on building desirability for the brand and continuing to be the most desirable motorcycle brand in the world.

As I said, with the actions we took this past year, we have seen -- obviously, we are not spending on promotional activity.

We're spending on brand building.

We've seen increases in motorcycle pricing at retail, close to MSRP.

We have seen increases in used-motorcycle pricing, both at wholesale and retail.

We have seen the gap close between new and late-model used motorcycles fairly significantly to the tightest level it's been in years.

So we obviously look at market share and care about market share, but we are primarily focused on building desirability for the brand and providing that great customer experience.

And commenting on market share is also not really great, because we don't know if the market will increase, will it decline, will it stay stable.

So that's also impacting, obviously, how market share develops.

But from that point of view, our focus is on profitable and desirable top line, and whatever market share that gives us, so be it.

So we focus on our internal metrics and not really on market share.

But as Larry said, obviously, we are looking at market share for sure.

And we have reset the button through -- the market share button by being much more considerate about how we market our products around the world in terms of not promoting our brand and making sure that we are keeping the values of all bikes high and our other products as well.

Our next question will come from Joseph Spak from RBC Capital Markets.

Gina, it might be helpful for everyone on the call, if you could talk about the total investment dollars expected over the planning period.

But the real question is like your retail obviously suffered this year.

And I know part of that was because you were destocking.

But if you think about that, especially concerning many other powersports area did quite well this year.

And there's some concern that maybe demand that was pulled forward.

I'm wondering if you think you actually missed out because if that's -- if it's true the industry demand was pulled forward or maybe discretionary dollars that would have gone to Harley-Davidson product may have gone elsewhere to other manufacturers or to other activities.

And it would seem like it makes your job a little bit more difficult over the coming years.

So I'm wondering if you could just give a little bit of retrospective as to sort of what you think happened this year?

Sure.

Good question.

I don't think we've missed out on anything really.

And in fact, if you look at overall profitability of the dealer network, which is an important gauge of success as well, that has been up significantly over previous years.

And that's important.

We need a healthy and profitable dealer network.

And obviously, the reset of the new model here was also strategically the right thing to do, but it was also a necessity because through the pandemic, we would not have been able to bring some of those products to market.

So that was a logical thing to do.

And of course, strategically the right thing to do because it's aligning the new model year with the riding season.

So we don't believe that we have missed out, but what we -- what has happened is that we've been able, through the increased demand, to overall reduce our inventory levels dramatically.

We were able to flush out some of the models that were pushed into the market that in previous years would have been discounted.

That's gone.

And our overall MSRP that we achieved is close to our retail pricing.

Used bike prices have been going up.

So what has helped in this pandemic is essentially the increased demand was able to flush out some of the wrongs of the past and set us up for a successful future.

So we believe we have a strong desirability with our product, with our brand, with our dealers.

And from there, we will build and grow our business profitably.

And in terms of your question on investment over the life of The Hardwire, the guidance that we're giving is capital investment of $190 million to $250 million a year.

So throughout those 5 years, there are maybe some years that are $190 million, there will be some that could be a little bit north of that.

The primary investments are going against the core of our business, the most profitable segments of our business.

Initial investments in our EV platform as well as the digital ecosystem.

So that's all CapEx.

There's no OpEx investment associated with it?

That is embedded.

There is OpEx.

There's additional brand and marketing investment that's embedded in the op margin guidance that we give.

And is there any framework around that?

No.

We're not providing direct guidance on that.

Your next question will come from Joe Altobello from Raymond James.

Just wanted to clarify a couple of things.

I guess, first, in terms of your mid single-digit revenue growth target, is there an industry growth assumption that's baked into that?

Or is it completely independent of industry growth over the next 5 years?

It's independent of industry growth in the next years.

It's what we feel comfortable based on our internal evaluation and not really looking at the market and what we expect the market to be.

We feel comfortable with that guidance no matter what happens.

Obviously, if the world enters into a massive recession, that's a different story.

But seeing what we're seeing now, we believe that we're fine with our estimates.

Okay, got it.

And just want to go back to Jaime's question.

Do you see the opportunity to begin rebuilding dealer inventories in '21?

Or do you anticipate keeping retail and wholesale fairly consistent this year?

So I would say just what we said earlier, which is we are going to continue to manage inventory in line with demand, and we are going to watch that very closely.

Inventory was a little bit tight at the end of last year.

But overall, I think we feel good about the way we managed inventory throughout the second half of the year.

So I think our approach is going to be -- continue to be fairly consistent with that.

Where we feel that inventory has gone low, in particular, in the fourth quarter through an overachievement in retail sales, certainly, we will adjust that as needed around the world and -- but not overall as a company.

There are some pockets where we have gone short, because our sales were above expectation in the fourth quarter, in particular -- in those particular pockets, and that we will certainly replenish.

So are they selective rebuild, not a [active] rebuild?

Correct.

Correct.

Your next question will come from David MacGregor from Longbow Research.

I just wanted to ask about the electric bike business.

And you noted you'll establish a dedicated division for electric bikes with a focus on technology development.

But can you discuss some of the specific goals in terms of time line or number of models or price points for this division?

I guess, I'm just trying to get a sense of what your vision is for the electric bike business over the next few years?

And how much time do you think you need to begin delivering a relatively steady cadence of new products to the market?

And also, you mentioned having dashboards -- performance dashboards.

What are your dashboard metrics for progress on electric bikes?

Yes.

As I said, we are fully committed to electric, and we will be revealing more of our electric strategy later in the year.

So I'll have to unfortunately ask you to have a little bit of patience about that.

Everything else, what I said is important because setting up a separate division, I think, is a significant move for the company.

And because it just gives the autonomy and the flexibility to invest in the opportunities.

And considering that it is a very different business model that you need to apply to electric than combustion.

When you talk about model year, it's not really something that in the electric universe, you would be talking about.

You don't talk about a model year, talk about technology.

Do you have a new technology, new technological applications that you offer in new products, and you're not really aging your product line by model year.

So that's one change that we will certainly make, not talk about a model year.

And that's one of the reasons why we've also not launched a new product in the electric space just now.

The focus was on our core categories, combustion categories, then the focus is on our Adventure Touring as a launch into a new segment, plus 1 product that also addresses the middleweight.

And then later, we will talk about electric.

But as I said, you shouldn't be expecting electric to automatically be launched at the same time as we launch other products, because they are distinctly different in terms of the customer, in terms of how we go-to-market and how we market those products.

In terms of the dashboard, it's really an internal dashboard that goes across the entire organization.

It has overall brand desirability metrics.

It has metrics for each function and how we operate as a company.

And that obviously also includes electric.

We are not planning to publish what our metrics are.

But I mentioned in my speech that, obviously, the gap between used bike prices and new bikes, MSRP versus retail, are metrics that are, of course, something we're looking at.

We are certainly also looking at market share, but based on a very different look than what we've had in the past.

So it's a very differentiated dashboard that will allow to manage the entire company, all our profit centers, all our segments, all our functions and align them with the overall goal of the company that we've established.

And that is also how we incentivize our team accordingly.

Our next question will come from Ryan Sundby from William Blair.

Previously, I think you talked about concentrating on the 50 highest potential markets.

And then in the release today, I think you talked more about focusing on the top 10 markets.

Just wondering if you can maybe talk about what this focus involves for focused markets versus the non-focused market?

Why 10 is the right number?

And then what this means for the markets that are outside of the top 10?

Yes.

Good question.

So we exited 39 markets last year.

High -- the 50 markets is still intact.

Obviously, we are operating in 50 markets.

But out of the 50, we have top 10 markets that require or that we would like to focus on even further by localizing our approach and go-to-market.

You can't do that for every market.

So overall, our Harley-Davidson universe is 50 markets overall.

Out of those 10 are priority markets that get special attention in terms of strategic planning, in terms of how we go-to-market, in terms of our Hardwire execution.

They might get differentiated product where feasible.

All of these special adjustments, thinking global, acting local, will apply to those priority markets.

So that doesn't mean that we are just working on those 10, but they get specific emphasis and attendance and focus from senior management.

And most of these markets actually also have now new leadership in place.

So special focus in every respect.

Your next question will come from Billy Kovanis from Morgan Stanley.

I just want to ask about your priority as a management team in the medium term.

Is it growth or profitability?

If it's both, can you provide some color of whether there is a path to get back to 10% motorcycle EBIT margins?

And if there's a path to get back to 2018 levels when motorcycle revenues were around $5 billion?

I think you hit the right 2 words.

We're after profitable growth, sustained profitable growth over the course of The Hardwire plan.

And we know where we've been in our recent history.

We will be building our way back to that, both in terms of the top line as well as our overall margin structure.

And we will certainly, as I said, focus on unlocking potential beyond our financial projections as we deliver on our goals.

And that's clear.

So we want to commit to what we can deliver.

And then the focus is certainly going beyond what we -- what our targets are for the time being.

But 5 years is a long time as well.

And if you look at the past 5 years, we've never hit our numbers, and we've underperformed and overcommitted every single time, and that's got to stop.

So we feel confident that no matter what we will achieve, and that's great progress.

And from there on, it's unlocking further potential.

And your next question will come from Gerrick Johnson from BMO Capital Markets.

I was curious about investments in updating the dealer network.

It's probably your biggest asset, but maybe a little bit out of date.

And your network is mostly exclusive to Harley only, will it continue to be so?

Or will you grant exclusions to dealers to have something else to sell in the wintertime?

Well, we want to maintain an exclusive network.

We believe that there is enough opportunity for our Harley-Davidson dealers to exclusively sell.

So that exclusivity should and will be a focus of our future Hardwire plan and making sure that our dealers have a profitable future, and they have had that in the past, and they should continue even more so in the future.

Like everything, everything needs upgrade.

I talked a lot about an omnichannel strategy, about digital and physical experience.

It's not just about selling, it's about carrying the experience that we want to provide as a brand into our dealerships.

So the future of retail is certainly something that we are looking at jointly with our dealers to make sure that they are, over time, adjusting to the requirements of the marketplace.

So updates will happen on, short, long -- on a long-term basis, but there's not really much to talk about other than the strategic direction that is pretty clear that we have to have a fully integrated, cohesive experience, digital and physical network that then drives purchases along the entire journey and ecosystem of our customer.

Okay.

And can I ask about the mid- single-digit revenue growth for the Motorcycle segment?

What's that -- what's the base there?

2021 you're building off of?

Or is that off of 2020 or 2019?

For The Hardwire, we're talking about 2021 through 2025 is mid- signal digit revenue growth.

And then we gave you for '21 guidance that, that revenue growth versus '20 is going to be up 20% to 25%.

Right.

So then are we building off of that, mid-single digits off of that number?

That could be the end...

Correct, yes.

Yes, yes.

Your next question is from James Hardiman from Wedbush Securities.

A couple of follow-ups for me.

You've said it, I think, here today, and I think every dealer that we talk to has echoed the notion that retail is very much being held back by a lack of inventory.

So 2 questions, and I apologize if somebody else has asked this.

I had to drop off for a minute there.

But 2 questions here.

I know January as shipments into the channel picked up with some of the model year '21, did you see any improvement in retail in January versus the declines that we saw in the fourth quarter?

And then secondly, I guess, from what I've heard, it doesn't look like you're looking to significantly build inventory over the course of the full year.

And so to the extent that retail would have been better in '20 with more inventory, are we still in that position in '21 where a disproportionate number of the benefits will maybe be seen in the used channel, but we're not going to see the full brunt of the demand benefits in 2021 due to -- and I guess that's assuming that inventories don't pick up meaningfully for the full year.

How do I think about that?

So a couple of things.

January, I won't comment specifically on January sales.

I'll just say we are pleased with both dealer and customer response to our new 2021 model so far.

They've only been in the market a few weeks, but we feel pretty good about that.

Second thing regarding inventory.

As Jochen said earlier, we have -- we're going to continue to manage inventory tight.

We are going to focus on building desirability and all the benefits that have come with that over the second half of 2020.

We do have a couple of markets that, due to stronger-than-expected sales in the fourth quarter, in some parts of Europe, for example, where we were, I'll call it, below our inventory strategy.

And we will look to refill some of those markets as we go through this year to make sure we properly supply them, but absolutely do not want to oversupply any markets similar to what we did this year.

James, one additional piece of color.

One additional piece of color I'd give you on inventories, you think about our build and depletes.

Right, we exited the year, we will see a build in the front half of the year as we kind of fill back the pipeline, get ready for riding season and then the inventory comes back down in the back half of the year.

So to your point on missing demand, we will have the bikes at our dealers to meet that demand.

Okay.

Okay.

I guess I'm avoiding asking the question about retail, because I know you don't want to give guidance on retail.

But obviously, 2020 retail was down a lot and -- but demand was not.

So I'm trying to figure out how I think about 2021 retail?

And what's sort of embedded in the guide there?

So 2021 retail, we think, is going to continue to -- we think there are some positive trends in the market that we saw last year.

And we think some of that is going to continue into 2021.

Certainly, if you take a look at our combined new and used sales in the second half of the year, they were positive, and that trend continued in the fourth quarter.

So we feel good about that.

And as Gina said, we feel good about our ability to supply the market going into 2021.

And have bikes available in the first half of the year.

And obviously, we've done a lot of shipments of new motorcycles, particularly in the U.S., since those new models were introduced.

So I would say that we feel pretty good about retail as we go into 2021 and our ability to supply.

I think to add to this, if you look at our used bikes, obviously, they've now just gotten a year older, and they have not been supplemented by a flood of products that were new last year.

Because that's what we've done in the past.

We delivered excess product into the market that then became part of the used inventory that was not built on actual demand, but was pushed into the market-based on the push model that we referred to and that's just not a healthy thing to do.

That has been corrected last year.

And we believe that's a good indicator.

When you look at the used bike prices as well having gone up dramatically and the MSRP gone up and the close -- and the gap has been closed dramatically, that bodes well for the future.

And we've corrected sort of the wrongs of the past and setting ourselves up for a more desirable and demand versus supply-driven business model.

Our next question will come from Shawn Collins from Citigroup.

Jochen, Gina and Shannon, again.

Thanks for taking my second question.

I wanted to ask about electric.

I know it's a big priority of the new strategy.

Jochen, I know you have been involved in the LiveWire at Harley-Davidson since day 1. Can you offer some commentary, not on your strategy, which I know is still evolving.

But instead, can you possibly comment on the potential of electric in the motorcycle space as a whole.

In autos, electric is virtually turning the auto industry upside down.

Is it possible that electric turns the motorcycle industry upside down?

Or any thoughts on that industry as a whole might be helpful.

Shawn, the -- first of all, I would like to reiterate what I said last year in one of our quarterly calls.

I mean LiveWire is an absolutely extraordinary product.

It's the best product out there.

It's performing extremely well, and I couldn't have asked for a better electric experience coming from the company.

So that's very important.

Our foray into electric is working very well in terms of having a fantastic bike that those who own it are very pleased about.

And that's the starting point.

In terms of the industry, I think you need to differentiate between segments.

And when you look at the core segments of Harley-Davidson, it takes -- it will take a lot longer for electric to arrive simply because the technology that is required, in particular, in the touring segment is not there yet.

Simply because bikes have less space for battery packs and range for Touring is very important.

So if you have less space and need high range, that will take time.

So the electrification in the motorcycle segment will happen much faster in the -- in what I call the mobility segments.

When you talk about urban centers around the world where motorcycles essentially becomes a mobility product to get around town.

And that's where technology and range and customer expectation meet quicker and where we will see an electrification happening much faster.

When you think about products that are core to Harley-Davidson, that will take a longer time.

Having said that, it's absolutely critical for us to invest into electric now, and having a differentiated approach exactly based on what I said, setting it up as a separate division in order to cater to the opportunities that exist today to prepare ourselves for the long-term future for Harley-Davidson.

And that's essentially what we're doing.

Your next question will come from David MacGregor from Longbow Research.

I just wanted to ask about HDFS.

And you'd indicated that your plans were to expand the HDFS globally.

Does global mean tracking the 10 geographic markets that you've identified for motorcycles?

And if it doesn't, and you're sort of thinking more in terms of those 50 markets overall, I guess the question would be what gives you confidence that you can scale HDFS without an accompanying presence in bikes and not sustain an increase in underperforming loans?

Yes.

I mean, we will always be very focused on making sure that we have a healthy credit portfolio.

That goes without saying and expanding doesn't always mean doing it yourself.

It might be looking into partnerships with others as well.

And it's certainly, our 70:20:10 will apply also when it comes to the markets that we will be focusing at, looking very carefully risk, reward, opportunities.

So align HDFS with our overall company priorities, and that's where we will be focusing in the beginning.

That brings us to the end of today's Q&A session.

I would now turn the call back over to Shannon Burns for closing remarks.

Okay.

I want to thank everyone for joining us here today.

And please remember to join us for the reveal of our all-new Pan America Adventure Touring motorcycle on February 22.

See you then.

Thank you, everyone.

This will conclude today's conference call.

You may now disconnect.