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  • Operator

  • Greetings, and welcome to the Hanger Inc. Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

  • I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Seth Frank, Hanger's Vice President of Treasury and Investor Relations.

  • Seth R. Frank - VP of Treasury & IR

  • Thanks, Dana. Good morning, and welcome to Hanger's Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. With us today are Vinit Asar, Hanger's President and Chief Executive Officer; Thomas Kiraly, Hanger's Chief Financial Officer.

  • Some of the information discussed today will include forward-looking statements in the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of -- pardon me, of 1995. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause Hanger's actual results to materially differ from those we discussed today. Those risks include, among others, matters we have identified in the forward-looking statements portion of our latest earnings release and in our filings with the SEC. Hanger disclaims any obligation to update forward-looking information discussed on this call.

  • And with that, I'd like to introduce Hanger's President and Chief Executive Officer, Vinit Asar.

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • Thank you, Seth, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Hanger's 2018 Second Quarter Earnings Call.

  • I will start with an overview of the financial results, provide an operational update and discuss our view for the remainder of the year. Tom will then provide more detail on the numbers, after which, we will take your questions.

  • Hanger's second quarter financials reflect stability and improvement in the top line across the business, driven by the efforts we have made to stabilize the foundations of the company over the last 3-or-so years. The results also reflect our continued investments in reinvigorating organic revenue growth. Year-to-date, we are on target with the initial revenue and adjusted EBITDA view we had provided in May and which we are reiterating today.

  • In addition, operating cash flow increased significantly in the quarter, and our balance sheet is healthy. Hanger's total net revenue grew 1.4% year-over-year in the second quarter. It is important to note that both business segments showed growth, which is a reversal from the decline we saw in the Products & Services segment during 2017 through the first quarter of 2018. We also generated significant increases in income from operations, net income and earnings per share from the prior year period.

  • Let me now touch briefly on our two business segments. First, within Patient Care, we saw revenues increase 0.9% or $1.9 million driven by our same-clinic revenue growth of 1.7%, which is slightly higher than the 1.1% we saw in Q1. We continue to see strength in custom O&P services, with Hanger achieving above-market growth rates in prosthetics, as the segment revenue mix shifts to a greater amount being derived from prosthetic revenue. This evolution is strategic on our part, as we are determined to emphasize Hanger's share of prosthetic and custom orthotic solutions and as previously disclosed, deemphasizing lower margin off-the-shelf orthotic solutions.

  • Turning to the Products & Services segment, we saw revenue growth of $1.6 million or 3.5% in Q2. Our SPS distribution subsidiary within the segment had an exceptional quarter as we gained share via new accounts and increased business from existing accounts. This was an excellent performance and one of the best quarters of top line performance in recent years for the distribution business.

  • Our therapeutic solutions business, the second piece of the Products & Services segment, declined in the quarter as expected and at a slower rate than last year. Revenue in the quarter decreased $1.1 million or 7.1%. We consider this business to be in a transitional period and as disclosed in our last call, are focused on a stabilizing and maximizing value from it.

  • Overall, as we think about the results for our two business segments, we are pleased that both are performing consistent with our expectations and those that we shared with you when we began the year.

  • As we continue our journey of reemergence in the public market, and we progress from a phase of stabilization to one of growth, we have begun to make specific investments that prepare us for the future. We believe strongly that we have to continue down the path of significantly differentiating ourselves as a specialty healthcare provider. During the second quarter, we have begun to explore various areas of growth at Hanger. We believe that the findings from this body of work, which we expect to conclude in Q3, will help us fuel growth by further differentiating us from our competitors.

  • There are five areas in particular that we have focused on as part of this effort. I will take a few minutes sharing these differentiators and discuss how we are focusing on them to further enhance our business model. First, our national network. As we think about our national network, we have the ability to care for patients around the country in 44 states and the District of Columbia as they travel or potentially relocate their place of residence. Our referral sources and payers tend to appreciate our network of clinics and in particular, this accessibility to patients. We strive to continue to strengthen our ability to provide access and care to our patients and have embarked on a study of what our network should look like in this era of the triple aim of healthcare and the provision of better health, better care for better value.

  • Our second differentiator is our ability to engage patients and drive high satisfaction with our services. This is an exciting area for us as we build long-lasting patient relationships and often, become a care provider for life for a large number of our patients, helping to drive higher recurring revenue. Our program to engage and tell our patient stories via social media platforms has been very helpful in raising brand awareness of what we do. We have begun to engage in proactive reputation management as well to generate better online ratings and have already seen a sustained and significant improvement in positive ratings and a similar decrease in negative ratings over the last 12 months. In addition, we believe that building a culture where patients evangelize on our behalf is the most effective marketing approach available. Hanger Net Promoter Score, or NPS, is a key metric that we, as a management team, have begun to use to measure our patient engagement success. Through June of 2018, our NPS continues to trend at 81, which is significantly above health services' industry benchmarks.

  • Our third differentiator is Hanger's focus on measuring, reporting and impacting patient outcomes. This is an area that we believe is critical to advance the contribution O&P can play in the emerging value-based reimbursement environment. The foundation of Hanger's outcomes initiative is our electronic health record platform, which continues to be successfully implemented across our regions nation-wide. As we've discussed before, we are investing about $1.2 million a quarter in training and other implementation costs for this initiative. As of late July, 83% of our Patient Care clinics are live on our EHR, and we continue to anticipate completing the full rollout by mid-2019.

  • In addition to core EHR for billing and clinical data capture, we are introducing tablets to digitalize the capture of NPS data, expand scheduling and leveraging mobile devices for outcomes measurements, including our proprietary mobility scorecard that is individualized for each patient. We believe Hanger is building a valuable and robust O&P data repository for payers, researchers, referring physicians and others looking to determine the economic and quality-of-life benefits of excellent O&P care. We have begun to present our clinical outcomes programs to premier health care systems around the country, and payers are recognizing the magnitude of our clinical data set and its impact on the care we provide to patients.

  • Our fourth differentiator is our proprietary expertise and systems within O&P revenue cycle management. As we discussed previously, Hanger has invested significantly in leadership, systems and resources to build out a highly effective, centralized revenue management platform in O&P. Since 2015, we have implemented a series of initiatives to consolidate our infrastructure to address increasing scrutiny of claim submissions within our industry. These efforts, in partnership with our administrative staff at the clinic level, have dramatically lowered the rate of disallowed revenue and patient nonpayments. This, in turn, has benefited our accounts receivable balances, DSO and improved A/R aging significantly. We have reduced disallowed revenues by 55% from 2014 through 2017. Also of note, patient nonpayments have been reduced to less than 1% of our adjusted gross revenue, just $1.3 million in the second quarter, down from $2.5 million in the second quarter last year.

  • And finally, our fifth differentiator that we have only just begun to explore is our enterprise supply chain as a productivity, efficiency and cost management lever. We have begun to analyze our supply chain in its entirety and believe that we do have the opportunity to modernize our capabilities while optimizing our operations in the coming years. In this area, we are focusing on all aspects of the supply chain, including freight costs, implementing new systems to speed ordering and efficiency, while optimizing our cost of materials beyond the purchasing benefits we have today. By investing in capabilities related to these five differentiators, we are transforming Hanger and creating a highly differentiated and well-positioned specialty health care services company.

  • Before I hand the call to Tom, I want to update you on what to expect going forward. While we are making investments in the near term that are impacting adjusted EBITDA growth in 2018, I believe we are better positioned than we have ever been to grow organically. In addition to organic growth, we will evaluate select acquisitions within the O&P market to further support our growth and expand access to care for our patients. Our balance sheet is solid, and we are generating good cash flow, which, combined with our lower interest rates as a result of our refinancing earlier this year and our continued reduction in third-party fees that we have been paying in the last few years, gives us additional financial flexibility to reinvest as needed in the business to maximize shareholder returns.

  • We continue to be confident in our outlook for 2018 as we head into the back half, which is typically the strongest part of the year from a seasonal perspective. We are on schedule to relist our stock on the New York Stock Exchange in September and plan to announce a more specific date in the next several weeks. In advance of relisting, we look forward to seeing many of you as we go on the road in late August and September to reintroduce Hanger and help you better understand the business and our strategy. We are excited to meet with you and truly appreciate your interest in Hanger.

  • Thank you for your attention to my comments. And now I will hand the call to Tom as -- so he can dive deeper into the numbers. Tom?

  • Thomas E. Kiraly - CFO & Executive VP

  • Good morning. As Vinit shared, we're pleased with the progress we made during the second quarter. From a financial perspective, the quarter was notable for several positive reasons. In addition to continuing our revenue growth trend, we reported significant increases in income from operations, net income and operating cash flow. In addition to further elaborating on these items during my portion of this call, I'll also share some background on other key financial elements that drove our results.

  • First, when reviewing revenue for the quarter, while 1.4% total net revenue growth is modest, we have now established a consistent trend of same-clinic revenue growth in our Patient Care segment. We were additionally pleased to report 3.5% in total revenue growth in our Product & Services segment despite the decreases we've been experiencing in therapeutic solutions revenue.

  • In our Patient Care segment, the 1.7% same-clinic revenue growth rate we reported brought the segment to 1.4% for the year-to-date, which is in line with our targeted overall growth rate for the current year.

  • We're achieving nice gains in our prosthetic business, which increased to 54% of revenue during the quarter. The shift has primarily been due to our de-emphasis on shoes and inserts and other lower-margin orthotics.

  • As we discussed at our May 15 Investor Call, in contrast to 2017 and recent years, we haven't seen and don't currently expect any significant benefit from improvements in payer disallowances during 2018. For the year-to-date, these stand at 4.4% of adjusted gross revenue for the Patient Care segment, which is identical to the prior year. Additionally, as you review net revenue, please bear in mind that in connection with our implementation of ASC 606, the new revenue accounting standard this year, we have reclassified what we previously disclosed as bad debt expense within this segment to be treated as a reduction of revenue. While this has no effect on the company's income, it has decreased comparative revenue growth by $1.3 million in the quarter and $2.2 million for the year-to-date.

  • Now I'll turn to a discussion of our business segment performance. Overall, while our two primary business segments both produced revenue growth, their individual contribution to earnings was essentially flat as compared to the second quarter of 2017, with the Patient Care segment producing $41 million in adjusted EBITDA and the Products & Services segment producing just under $10 million. The key story then for a comparative quarter-over-quarter performance in the second quarter relates to our corporate and other segment, which reported a $2.6 million cost increase on an adjusted EBITDA basis. Now when performing this quarter-over-quarter comparison, we have excluded a $2.2 million benefit related to two favorable settlements, which served to partially offset our underlying expenses. These related to a $1.7 million net settlement payment we received in connection with the 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster; and secondarily, to a $0.5 million benefit associated with our settlement of unclaimed property claims with the State of Delaware, dating from 2001 to 2017.

  • Excluding these favorable items, when viewing our corporate and other expenses from a non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA perspective, while our underlying expenses were on track with the company's plan for the quarter at $17 million, we did experience a $2.6 million increase in this nonbusiness unit-related expense. This primarily related to $1.7 million for professional fees and other cost we incurred related to growth and other corporate initiatives.

  • As Vinit discussed, we're currently undertaking projects and activities designed to structurally implement a fundamental differentiation of Hanger from the rest of the O&P provider market and to support our future growth. We currently believe that the majority of this corporate project-related spend will culminate by the fourth quarter. In further analyzing our corporate expenses, it's important to bear in mind that we moved up the effective date for our annual merit increases from June in 2017 to April in 2018. This created an adverse comparison in our salary expenses and also affected the flow-through on revenue growth when -- within our two business segments during the quarter. In addition to the effects of this change in timing on -- of annual salary increases, flow-through on our revenue growth within the Patient Care segment was also mitigated by increased employee benefit expenses of $1.2 million as well as a $700,000 increase in materials' cost relative to revenue. We believe that the salary and benefits expenses are primarily a timing consideration. With respect to the cost of materials increase, while we've seen an increase in prosthetics mix and devices that generally carry higher relative material costs, all things being equal, prosthetics typically have higher total contribution margins after considering clinician and other costs. These shifts should be beneficial over time. However, given that our labor costs are typically static from one quarter to the next, the flow-through from this shift is not something we experienced in the second quarter.

  • Now I'll touch on a couple of other key expense categories. First, let's focus on professional accounting and legal fees. As you know, the substantial majority of these fees have related to our past financial restatement work and more recently, to our process of catching up on filings and remediating our control environment. While we exclude these costs for purposes of our non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA measure, on a GAAP basis, we're pleased that our professional fees dropped to half the level they were in the second quarter of last year. We continue to be on track to spend approximately $13 million in excess professional third-party fees related to these financial statement activities in 2018.

  • Another key item, I'd like to draw your attention to, is our other operating expenses, which decreased by $1.3 million as compared to the prior year quarter. This decrease relates primarily to the reclassification of bad debt expense to being treated as an offset to revenue in connection with the new revenue accounting standard I spoke of earlier. Had it been treated under the old accounting standard, we would've had $1.3 million in higher net revenue during the quarter and would've reported essentially no change in other operating expenses.

  • A final key expense line item I'd -- to focus on is our interest expenses. These decreased from $14.1 million in the second quarter of last year to $7.3 million this year. The greater majority of this decrease was the result of our March 2018 refinancing of the company's indebtedness. We currently pay an average cash interest rate of approximately 6% and incur approximately $33 million in annualized cash interest, which reflects a substantial decrease from the approximately 10% rate of interest we paid last year. Two-thirds of our $525 million of indebtedness is fixed-rate or hedged to fixed-rate. And in looking at our interest expense for the quarter, it's also helpful to note that we recorded $1.5 million one-time reduction to interest expense associated with the unclaimed property tax settlement with Delaware. Given that we structured the agreement as a voluntary disclosure agreement, we avoided the payment of previously accrued interest on the claims that were the subject of this settlement.

  • Improvements in our professional accounting and legal expenses, depreciation and amortization expense and interest expense were the primary drivers for a sizable increase in net income during the quarter. We produced $12.9 million in net income or $0.35 per diluted share as compared with $1.6 million in net income in the prior year period or just $0.04 per diluted share.

  • On a non-GAAP basis, excluding the favorable settlements, third-party professional fees and amortization expense, our adjusted net income increased to $10.5 million from $7.6 million in the prior year, resulting in adjusted EPS of $0.28 per diluted share versus $0.21 in the second quarter of 2017.

  • Now I'll turn to our cash flows. During the quarter, we produced $25.4 million in operating cash flow. This reflects a $20.1 million increase as compared with the $5.3 million we reported in the second quarter of 2017. This significant growth was primarily the result of lower interest expense, reductions in third-party fees and favorable inventory and other working capital trends.

  • From an accounts receivable perspective, our day sales outstanding was 45 days, which was one day better than the 46 days we reported for the second quarter of 2017.

  • When reviewing our investing activities, capital expenditures were $8.7 million during the quarter, which reflected an increase of $3.9 million over the second quarter of last year. We stepped up our capital investment in clinical operations as well as in our therapeutic solutions business and currently estimate that full year capital expenditures will be in the $30 million to $35 million range. We completed no clinic acquisitions in the quarter and currently do not foresee closing any in the third quarter.

  • Hanger's strong quarter of operating cash flow has lifted our overall cash and liquidity balances. At the quarter's end, we had $48.8 million in cash and cash equivalents and $142.9 million in available liquidity. The decreases we've achieved in interest expense and professional fees, coupled with a favorable change in the federal tax law, should position us for continuing favorable cash flow trends.

  • In closing, I'll make a few comments regarding our outlook for the full year of 2018. Given that we are tracking with our internal budget and are essentially consistent with the prior year performance for the year-to-date, we continue to believe that Hanger's on track to provide revenue and adjusted EBITDA that is generally consistent with the amounts we reported for 2017.

  • I'll turn the call back over to the operator to take questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Larry Solow from CJS Securities.

  • Lawrence Scott Solow - MD

  • Just -- I guess, just a couple of, sort of, high-level questions, perhaps, on the same-store sales growth, 1.7%, obviously incremental improvement. And can you just maybe discuss, sort of, maybe your -- not the outlook for the next couple of quarters, but as you look out over the next 2 to 3 years, certainly it looks like the industry has recovered from its -- when it was maybe flat to down couple of years back with the increase in reimbursement needs and whatnot, but -- requirements. But maybe your outlook, what the industry is doing, and can we get sort of back to that 2% to 3% volume growth over the next couple of years?

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • Sure, Larry. So our estimation of the industry growth this year is somewhere between 1.5% and 2% or 2.2%. And I think, as we've said earlier, we expect this year's results to be somewhat in line with last year's results. Some of the initiatives that we're working on are positioning us to make sure that we outpace that industry growth in the coming years. So that's how we're looking at it. We certainly are focusing more in the custom side of the business, so prosthetics and custom orthotics. So we believe we should at least be pacing with the industry this year and beginning to outpace starting in the next year or two.

  • Lawrence Scott Solow - MD

  • And in terms of the investments you're making -- you spoke of several things to differentiate yourself and reinvigorate that organic growth because historically you guys have outpaced the industry. But I think one concern that I am hearing from some guys is, obviously, through those last few years, you certainly looked like you're underinvested in some of your systems and whatnot. Are you confident that you -- that this increase looks like it will add a little bit more to this year's numbers in terms of the cost side? You culminated that and we won't -- by the end of this year, and we won't continue to need higher investments and whatnot as we look out into '19 and '20 that will impact the drop-down. Because obviously, historically, the Patient Services has been -- the incremental margin on that business has been very good. Is there any reason to believe that won't return to those historical levels as we look out?

  • Thomas E. Kiraly - CFO & Executive VP

  • Well, Larry, I'll take the first part of that. So when you look at our spend through the P&L, as we talk about in the 10-Q and Vinit referenced when he talked about our NextGen implementation in his remarks, we're spending about $4.7 million through the P&L right now that's training, implementation and other sort of nonrecurring cost. We're going to be competing NextGen in the first half of next year. And at that point, it's likely that we would go and redeploy that spend towards other initiatives, other systems initiatives. We're certainly mindful that we need to manage in that system spend in light of what we want to go ahead and demonstrate to Wall Street from an overall earnings growth. But I don't think, at this point, we can say that we're done with the company's overall agenda from a systems perspective.

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes, in terms -- Larry, in terms of the focus on some of the things that we're focusing on, we feel pretty good that we are focused on the right things to get that growth -- to outpace the market growth at this point.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from the line of Brian Tanquilut from Jefferies.

  • Brian Gil Tanquilut - Equity Analyst

  • Vinit, just to follow up on that last comment. So as you make these investments, what exactly do you need to do to drive that acceleration in organic growth? I know you've been spending some money on G&A and just trying to strengthen the clinics. So operationally, what needs to change for us to start seeing that pickup or acceleration in organic?

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • Sure, Brian. So some of the things you're already seeing and we started disclosing a few of those already that already have been completed, things like, we're focusing our clinics more and more on spending time directly with the patients and extracting out some of the administrative work. So the revenue cycle management, et cetera, we've started extracting out of the clinic, for the most part, so that Patient Care clinics, the administrative staff and the clinicians can focus more on Patient Care going out and doing business development with the referral sources. The other piece is, we have put a direct focus on generating and capturing clinical outcomes, so that also takes an investment, actually capturing the outcomes. And we're building one of the largest data sets in the industry today for O&P and Patient Care. And so we take this data and we can have these conversations with the medical directors at the large payer groups, the folks at the health care systems, so they can understand how we're actually impacting Patient Care. And then just focusing on making sure that we're in contact and communicating directly with patients. We have this initiative where we want to be in, and we believe we're getting there very quickly, the most connected O&P company to our patients. So things like our social media platform, our Net Promoter Score, and recently, we also announced that we have a new platform that allows patients to look -- to experience our virtual reality technology. So those are sorts of things we're working on. We're also looking at what our overall clinic network should look like and where we should be strategically by MSA within the country.

  • Brian Gil Tanquilut - Equity Analyst

  • All right. That makes a lot of sense. Now as we get close to the completion of the NextGen implementation, how should we be thinking about the dollars that you're spending there right now in terms of where, going forward, you could be spending those dollars? Or will that be pulling back and just hitting the EBITDA line going forward after the rollout?

  • Thomas E. Kiraly - CFO & Executive VP

  • Yes. So those dollars are likely to be redeployed. So I don't think you can count on that in 2019 or even 2020 that the company would suddenly have that -- with the release of that money back to income. The primary emphasis, I think Vinit alluded to, is going to be on, what we call, our front-end systems and some of the underlying accounting systems that relate to those systems, which is in the supply chain area. It is what we're currently targeting. Now I don't think you're going to see anything dramatic there. It's just the company's desire to go ahead and really try to leverage the supply chain over the next couple of years and to further strengthen the underlying accounting systems that the company relies upon.

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • Brian, the other way to think about it is, if you think about the last few years, our focus on making sure that we stabilize the company and address the restatement issues. All that, in our minds, is in the rearview mirror. Right now, we're focused on some of these business development issues and certainly getting rid of the existing material weaknesses that remain. So the focus is a little bit different than the last few years.

  • Brian Gil Tanquilut - Equity Analyst

  • That makes sense. Last question for me. Tom, cash flows are obviously strong during the quarter. Just any thoughts on what drove that? Anything to call out? And then how are you expecting cash flow trend for the rest of the year?

  • Thomas E. Kiraly - CFO & Executive VP

  • Yes. I mean, so Brian, the substantial part of that was really the reduction in interest expense and the reduction in third-party fee payments. So those, we would always view as have been -- having been temporary for the company. The interest was high because we were going through a period of bridging and defensive maneuvers on the borrowing side. And of course, the third-party fees are -- we view as something that's a temporary spend item. So those are permanent improvements that we see in the underlying core cash flows of the company. We also had some very favorable working capital trends in the quarter when it relates to AP, our inventory trends and of course, our AR was very nice too. So we think it was a strong quarter. And I think that what we're really seeing is just more of an alignment of the company's underlying cash flow with its free cash flow when you look at EBITDA.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Dana Hambly from Stephens.

  • Dana Rolfson Hambly - Research Analyst

  • Vinit, a question. As you build the referral network, how has the sales and marketing process evolved over time to deliver the message?

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • Thanks, Dana. Great question. We have changed that leadership in sales and marketing over the last year. Different focus as well. We are actually combining the efforts when we generate the clinical outcomes, so from the clinical group along with the sales and marketing groups. Today, our sales and marketing folks, when they present our story to the referral sources, they are not just talking about our network and access to care, but they're actually equipped with talking about our patient outcomes. And each of these referral sources are beginning to see what the outcomes are for their particular patients as well. So it's a very different dialogue today than it was years ago, and it's partly because of our investment in outcomes as well as our increased investment in sales and marketing.

  • Dana Rolfson Hambly - Research Analyst

  • Okay. And then as we measure your success, obviously the same-store sales is the biggest indicator, but what are some of the other metrics we should be looking at every quarter? Is it Net Promoter Score, the prosthetic mix, the payer mix? Medicare was up a bit, is that something that we should be paying attention to?

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • I think that the same-clinic revenue growth will be the primary indicator going forward as well. Internally here, clearly we have other metrics we look at, such as how are we doing with the referral sources, what sort of new referral sources are we getting, et cetera. But as far as you're concerned, I would still continue to focus on same-clinic growth, Tom?

  • Thomas E. Kiraly - CFO & Executive VP

  • I would agree with that. I don't think there's any other external metric that would be as meaningful as that one.

  • Dana Rolfson Hambly - Research Analyst

  • Okay, All right. That's helpful. And then you did talk about -- or you didn't talk about employee retention, and I know for health care companies obviously, nurse wage inflation has been a big issue. But maybe could you just talk about becoming the employer of choice, and is wage inflation as much of an issue for you guys as it is for maybe some other services companies?

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • We might be slightly different from the nursing shortage industry. I mean, for us, even through some of the tougher years and the last few, we didn't experience a spike of any sort in terms of clinician attrition. But we are focusing now very heavily on attracting clinicians to Hanger and also back to Hanger as well, given where we are as a company. So there's a big focus on that. We are -- we have beefed up a little bit our recruiting group as well. So that's how to look at it.

  • Dana Rolfson Hambly - Research Analyst

  • Okay. And last one from me on the therapeutic solutions, I know you're making a big investment in that this year. How does the value proposition of that service hold up in the new payment model that's coming for the skilled nursing industry?

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • Great question. And so that's one of the pivots that we're doing is we're looking at the value proposition and making sure that we make some adjustments to what the skilled nursing facilities need, and that's what we're working through this year, is making the adjustments to the value proposition itself.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. And I'd like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

  • Vinit K. Asar - CEO, President & Director

  • Great. Thanks. Just wanted to say thank you, everyone, for joining the call. We appreciate your interest in Hanger, and we look forward to talking to you next quarter.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.