Hagerty Inc (HGTY) 2025 Q1 法說會逐字稿

Greetings and welcome to the Hagerty 1st quarter 2025 earnings call.

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It's not my pleasure to introduce Jay Koval, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Communications.

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone.

Thank you all for joining us to discuss Hagerty's results for the first quarter of 2025.

I'm joined this morning by Mckeel Hagerty, Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board, and Patrick McClymont Hagerty Chief Financial Officer.

During this morning's conference call, we will refer to an accompanying presentation that is available on Haggerty's investor relations section of the company's corporate website at investor. Hagerty.com. Our earnings release, slides, and letter to stockholders covering this period are also posted on the IR website, as well as our 8K filing.

Today's discussion contains forward-looking statements and non-gap financial metrics as described further on slide 2 of the earnings presentation. Forward-looking statements include statements about our expected future business and financial performance and are not promises or guarantees of future performance. They are subject to a variety of risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from our expectations for a discussion of material risks. And important factors that could affect our actual results, please refer to those contained in our filings with the SEC, which are also available on our investor relations website and at SEC.gov. The appendix of the presentation also contains reconciliations of our non-gap metrics to the most directly comparable GAAP measures that are further supplemented by this morning's AK filing, and with that, I will turn the call over to McKeel.

Thanks, Jay, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you taking the time to join Hagerty's first quarter, 2025 earnings call. Northern Michigan is known for its long snowy winters, and this year was no exception. As the last of the snowbanks have finally melted. Our Hagerty members are busy preparing their toys for the driving season, and we will be there to help them protect and enjoy their special cars.

We are also ready to welcome a record number of new members who are buying their first enthusiast vehicle or transitioning their vehicle coverage to Hagerty, given our guaranteed value proposition and the excellent service from Haggerty's passionate team of auto enthusiasts.

One team am Haggerty loves your cars as much as you do, and it shows in our results with yet another solid quarter of top and bottom line growth during the 1st 3 months of 2025.

So let me start by thanking our 1,700 Hagerty team members for their great execution as we position Haggerty to create value for shareholders for many years to come.

Let me dig into the key highlights from our first quarter shown on slide 3, where total revenue increased 18%, new business count fueled a 12% increase in written premium and a 13% growth in our commission revenue. Earned premium from our risk-taking entity Garity Reinsurance, increased 12%.

And membership marketplace, and other revenue jumped 60%, propelled by successful auctions at the Amelia Conor and the Academy of Arts University in February. Moving to profitability during the first three months of this year, our operating margins jumped another 360 basis points, resulting in net income gains of 233%, and adjusted EBITA growth of 45%.

Over a two-year period, first quarter net income increased by $42 million and adjusted EBITA by $33 million.

And we believe the best is yet to come for a margin expansion story thanks to increasing economies of scale as we double our policies in force $to 3 million by 2030.

Let's move on to slide 4 and remind you of our 2025 strategic priorities built around three themes simpler, faster, and better integrated.

First and most impactful to our long-term trajectory is to expand our specialty insurance offerings to protect more of the collectible vehicle TAM, including the modern enthusiast vehicle space.

Second is to simplify and better integrate our membership experience across products and services, creating revenue synergies and driving cost efficiencies.

Third is to expand our marketplace business internationally, leveraging the trust we have built in the United States.

This includes our upcoming auction at the Villa'ste Concorso on Lake Como, Italy, the first of our multi-year partnership with BMW at this prestigious event.

Fourth, we will continue to leverage Haggerty's unique and authentic car culture as a key differentiator for future members. The engagement and excellence from one team Hagerty creates a repeatable winning formula for stakeholders.

We are investing in the major technology replat forming that will enable scalable growth while delivering excellent experiences for our members with greater efficiency.

Slide 5 goes into more detail around the investments we are making in our technology transformation, including the transition to the cloud-based insurance platform Duck Creek.

We are pleased to report that our 2025 technology investments are running on schedule and on budget.

As we discussed at length last quarter, these near term investments should result in greater long-term efficiency for our teams and better experiences for our members, which should enable future growth and margin expansion.

Our technology spend should trend down as percent of revenue as we accelerate the top line in 2026 and 2027 and drive margins higher.

Before Patrick digs into the numbers, I want to highlight a few more reasons why we believe that we are such a compelling investment opportunity.

Hagerty is a US centric company with over 90% of our revenue generated in the United States.

Positioning us well to weather noise from tariffs, and we operate in a highly regulated and mandated industry that enjoys great defensive characteristics.

This creates predictable revenue streams, especially given our excellent retention and persistent share gains for the Hagerty brand.

Our track record speaks to a highly differentiated business model that can thrive regardless of the economic cycle.

Our compound annual growth rate in written premiums since 2005 is over 13%, but even during the darkest moments of the great financial crisis, we maintained high single digit written premium growth.

While volatile market conditions might make consumers think twice about buying another special car this year or cause consumers to forego a vacation, the extra time spent at home creates opportunities to enjoy their existing enthusiast vehicles. Pull it all together, we believe that we are well positioned to deliver high rates of profitable growth for many years to come.

Let me now turn the call over to Patrick to share more details on our first quarter results and our reaffirmed 2025 outlook.

Thank you and good morning, everyone. Let me dig into the first quarter in more detail, shown on slide 6 and 7.

In the first quarter we delivered 18% growth in total revenue to $320 million.

New business count gains combined with industry leading retention of 89% drove a 12% jump in written premium.

Emission and fee revenue jumped 13% to over $100 million in line with written premium gains on stable underwriting results.

Earned premium grew 12% to $169 million.

Our loss ratio of 42% incorporates $10 million in losses from the Southern California wildfires.

And membership, marketplace, and other revenue increased 60% to $50 million.

Our broad hour team delivered excellent results at both Amelia and the American Academy of Art University sale.

I would note that the no reserve AAU auction epitomized the power of the Hagerty ecosystem.

We utilize the strength of our live auction platform and team of specialists, our valuation expertise, and our strong balance sheet to acquire the collection and sell 105 vehicles in a jam-packed room with over 500 registered bidders present. In just our 3rd year, we have quickly established ourselves as a leading auction house with unparalleled automotive expertise across Haggerty's products focused on cultivating trusted long-term relationships with our customers.

Needless to say, we are very excited about our upcoming auction at the historic Villa de Este Concorde, the first of many auctions to be held outside of the United States.

Turning now to profitability shown on slide 8, we reported an operating profit of $26 million in the first quarter, a 110% increase, as operating margins jumped 360 basis points to 8% in the seasonally small quarter for us.

While there were some modest timing items that benefited the quarter, we are maintaining tight discipline on the cost structure of our MGA to efficiently translate our double-digit commission gains into profit growth.

GNA increased 12% due primarily to higher software licensing costs from our technology transformation, and salaries and benefits grew 5% due to merit increases.

Our MGA membership and marketplace businesses accounted for nearly 50% of our total revenue in the quarter with rapidly expanding margins.

One team am Haggerty is making great strides forward our long-term growth opportunities, including the rollout of the State Farm Classic Plus program to 25 states by the end of 2025, which should power accelerated commission revenue growth for MGA into 2026 and 2027.

We are also tracking well to launch Enthusiast Plus in Colorado later this year as we target more of the modern enthusiast vehicles that we are currently declining.

Adjusted EBITDA increased 45% to 40 million and is up sixfold from the first quarter of 2023.

Adjusted EO margins continue their steady march higher, surpassing 12% in the quarter as we improve the efficiency of our business model.

Our growing capital base at Hagerty Ree and balanced investment strategy resulted in $7 million investment income despite the market volatility.

In total, we delivered first quarter net income of $27 million compared to $8 million a year earlier, an increase of 233%.

Net income attributable to Class A common shareholders was $6 million after attribution of earnings to the non-controlling interest and accretion on the preferred stock.

And GAAP basic and diluted earnings per share was $0.07 based on 90 million shares of Class A common stock outstanding.

We ended the quarter with $128 million in cash and $147 million of total debt.

Which includes $32 million in back leverage for a profitable portfolio of loans to customers that are collateralized by collectible cars.

We also increased the capacity of our unsecured credit agreement to$375 million. Quarter, adding BO to the syndicate.

The amended facility has lower borrowing costs and a maturity of 2030.

Let me wrap up with our 2025 outlook shown on slide 9.

Given the solid first quarter results and business momentum, we are reaffirming our 2025 guidance for the top line revenue growth of 12 to 13%.

Powered by 13 to 14% gains in rent and premium.

We expect to deliver strong operating leverage to the bottom line with net income of $102 to $110 million up 30 to 40%, and adjusted IBITA of $150 to $160 million up 21 to 29%.

In summary, we are executing well against our 2025 strategic priorities and positioning Haggerty for high rates of compounding profit growth.

With that, let us now open the call to your questions.

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Pablo Singzon with JP Morgan.

Hi, good morning, Patrick. You touched on this a bit in your comments, but I was wondering if you could provide a refresh on the relative margins to generate on marketplace revenues versus the rest of Tegrity.

I'd assume in a quarter like this one where you saw strong growth in the marketplace, you probably got a decent amount of mixed benefit to respect the margins just on top of normal operating leverage. So, if you just, maybe parse out the relative contribution marketplace this quarter, whether in terms of, dollar doll or basis points of margins, that'd be helpful.

Thank you.

Sure, good morning, Pablo. Thanks for the call, for the question. Yes, we talked about the driver in this quarter really was the live auction business and so we had the AU sale that went quite well. We had Amelia Island, and so, we really, we benefited from strong sales in both of those. And I think we, what we talked about is the way we think about those sales really on a contribution profit basis. And so you kind of design a sale where you know what your costs are to put on that sale and then you TRY to put together a book of business that puts you in a position where you're going to cover all those costs and then and reasonable margins.

And so, before you get to sort of overhead allocation, those kinds of things, these are designed that if they go well, they should be quite profitable. So, contribution profit margins, 30, 35% type numbers and so when you have two good sales, that's the kind of contribution we were getting in the first quarter. And then of course there's overhead and central cost and those kinds of things that that you've got to burden the business for. But it is quite profitable, and when you compare that to the other parts of our business, risk taking business is about a 10% profit margin business.

The outside of risk taking and insurance, we're sort of mid to high single digits right now but expanding. That will continue to grow over time. But the nature of the marketplace business is that it, when working well, it will be a very profitable business on a margin basis. Hopefully that's helpful.

Yes, it was. Thanks for the detail. And then just jump into another topic, a strong risk results this quarter right with the coming in the low 40s, even with a catastrophe. So, if you ex out those catastrophes that puts your loss ratio in the mid-30s, right, which I think is much lower than where you've historically run. So, if you could just provide perspective on what happened, X catastrophes with respect to the loss ratio.

Thank you.

Well, the first thing is just how we think about, seasonality and losses, and so, the way we think about it is we going into a year, we come up with what we assume will be our full year loss ratio.

And then we book to that. And so typically in the 1st and 2nd quarter we're just booking to that full year loss ratio, even though those are those are typically seasonally low quarters for us from a loss perspective.

And then in the 3rd quarter and 4th quarter we'll either keep looking to that estimate that we have at the beginning of the year or we'll make adjustments one way or the other. And the reason why this all makes sense for us is we're so seasonal, right, the driving activity happens. Late Q2 and Q3, so it's not until we get to the end of Q3 that we've got a sense what the driving season looked like. And then that's also end of Q3, your kind of right in the midst of what cat season and so that's when we'd make any adjustment. So, the way I think about what happened in the first quarter is we booked to our annual number.

It includes what happened in California with cats. And so, you're right, if you stripped out those cats, you would be, down in the 30s. And typically, the first quarter is a much lower loss ratio quarter for us, so that the actual experience is going to be in the 30s. We booked to something that's more like what we think will be that that's the mechanics behind it. Did that answer the question?

Yes, it does. Thanks again.

You bet. Thanks, Pabo.

Matt Carletti with JPM JMT Securities. Please proceed.

Hi, yes, this is, David on for Matt. I had a couple questions if that's all right. First, if you could just provide an update on the impact of Paris, a large pier earlier this reporting season suggested a, one time made the highest single digit lost cost impact, presumably slightly higher in auto and lower in home. So how would the anticipated impact on Hagerty book compare?

Sure. Thanks for the question, David. Good morning. The way we're thinking about tariffs, we don't see it as having what I call a direct impact on our business.

We can start with the insurance business, and the way that we think about it is over time, you would expect that it would create some sort of upward pressure on, claims costs related to severity.

The tricky part for us is so many vehicles are, it's a big dispersion in terms of the types of vehicles and the age of vehicles and the supply chains for parts for each of those vehicles can be very different. And oftentimes a lot of these things, these are not on the run parts, right? These are things that are being, manufactured in small batches and oftentimes they're manufactured domestically. And so while there should be over time some upward pressure, we think it will be quite muted for our business. So really hard to predict because of the nature of the supply chains for the different cars that we're serving, but we think it'll be pretty muted for us.

We also think that in terms of the marketplace business and our interpretation of the rules, and obviously things are moving around, but our interpretation is that cars that are 25 years old and older, there's no change in the tariff regime. It was a 2.5% tariff, it's still a 2.5% tariff. So we think about high value cars being imported into the United States. And those are the kind of cars that we're helping people sell at auction or privately, no change from tariffs on that side. So we'll watch and see, we're monitoring it closely, but I think it'll be relatively muted for us.

That's very helpful, thank you. And just one more question, last quarter spoke a bit about how your business is seasonal and start seeing more shopping activity come, March or April. You also mentioned how the LA Flyers were having a cooling effect on that activity a bit, similar to what you've seen in other CA events or cold weather events, so sitting here now in May, can you update us on what you've seen over the past 30 to 60 days with respect to shopping behaviour?

Sure.

Yeah.

Good question. It's interesting. There's, industry-wide, you're seeing a lot of shopping activity right now, and you're seeing some of the large daily driver insurers really leaning in from a marketing perspective and driving that shopping activity.

Some of that flows through to us. Just activity creates more at the top of the funnel, so our quote volume continues to be strong, and that has held up, over the course of the first quarter into the 2nd quarter as well. We have seen a little bit slower growth than what we had anticipated and planned for, and as we did our diagnostic of that, there's a few things going on. Some of the factors you described, right, when there are these large events that typically results in a pause, particularly for our type of vehicle.

Some of it can be weather related, and it was a long winter and, sort of a tough winter where people were not able to get their cars out on the road early, and so that can tamp down some of the activity for our type of cars. And then there's a number of changes that we've made internally to make sure that we're taking friction out of, sort of our quote flow, and so we're trying different things to make sure that we're driving the right level of activity. It's a little bit slower than what we would have anticipated. We've always talked about 2025 being an interesting year where its very back end loaded in terms of new customer growth. And a lot of that is related to State Farm, which ramps up.

We're now in 7 states with State Farm. We entered 3 more states in the last quarter. We're going to start the process of doing conversion of State Farm's existing customers. The letters for our 1st 4 states have already gone out, and so that means by summertime we'll be converting those customers, and then we'll do the same with the 3 states that we've just entered. By the end of this year, we think we'll be in around 25 or more states with State Farm, and so that really drives a lot of the growth that we are seeing occur this year. It'll be in the second half.

So off to a solid but, sort of not as quick start as we anticipated for 2025, but we think that it'll ramp up quite quickly as we get into the driving season and particularly the State Farm activity.

Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, again, if you would like to ask a question.

Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Please proceed.

Yeah, thank you. Good morning.

The membership.

Good morning. Membership and marketplace revenue up a very strong this quarter up to 60%. Sounds like you've got some good.

Events in the pipeline, any, sense or visibility for what it might be for the full year in terms of the growth there?

Yes, as we said on the call, we've affirmed our guidance and you know you should interpret that to be across the entire business.

Good start to the year in live auctions.

And we've got the schedule for the balance of the year, we had one additional auction that happened in the 2nd quarter, which was a good outcome. That was our Porsche only sale that we did at Air and Water a couple of weeks ago, and so that came kind of in line with what we did in the previous year.

As always, Monterey is big for us and so that'll be in August. We got the new sale coming up in Italy. All that's baked into our guidance, so off to a good start, but it's a little bit early for us to conclude that we need to change our guidance on it, but we're pleased with the outcome so far.

Very good. You mentioned the Enthusiast cars that you've been declining, but you're taking steps I think it sounds like to open up that opportunity.

Could you expand on that? What was your point there?

Oh Mark, it's Mckeel. I'll comment on that as we've talked about we're launching really a new program that will operate in parallel with our core program we're referring to it as enthusiast Plus, and this is really in response to this changing both, I guess kind of demographic and vehicle preference trend that we've been tracking for a number of years where as younger buyers and collectors get into the space, they're interested in newer. A newer car that our core classic collector car insurance program and pricing structure didn't entirely contemplate, so we get a lot of that interest today and we turn a lot of it away for pricing or underwriting reasons. And so, our in this whole effort to acquire and stand up the driver's Ed Esurance Company, our Duck Creek Apex technology platform.

Is really in response to that so we can widen the aperture of our underwriting funnel and to be able to write more of the business that's already coming our way. So, we're excited about it, but it's a complicated long process to get one of these new programs and insurance companies up and running, and we're excited to get that going a little bit later this year and starting in Colorado and then we'll be. In my view, off to the races. It's been a dream of ours to get it going to be able to bring more people into the haggerty world and that's how we're going to do it.

Yeah, are these cars are they kind of more in the border, they, they're more like daily drivers or people drive them more often, but there, they still are older, more classic vehicles. Is that the complication?

Well, I, I'd like to remind people that, the Mazda Miata is now over 30 years old, has a type of car that, we get a lot of interest in, and, these are 10,000 15 to $20,000 cars that are beloved by the people that own them, and yes, they can be driven more. There many of them, it wasn't that long ago that they were still under warranty, but they're the special two-seater convertible that you can go out and enjoy on a sunny afternoon. So the usage profile generally matches everything that we've been doing for all of these decades, but the car is a little bit more modern, a little bit more reliable, and yes, sometimes you will see them, driven more than, 56, 800 miles a year, but still we think within a very under under writable, a very A pricing target that we can get similar kind of results that we've been able to achieve through the years. So we write some of this business today. We've kind of stretched our pricing and rating models about as far as we can with those, and that's why we're standing up the new program.

Understood. And Patrick on the Duck Creek spending in your reaffirmed outlook, you highlight again the $10 million from the wildfires and then $20 million from the Duck Creek technology spend.

When we roll that forward into 2026, how much of that recurs or you know would be ongoing or does that is that just isolated the 2025 you could remind me on that'd be great.

Sure, so the $20 million that we talked about 2/3 of that is technology related and really is what we call Apex, which is, the biggest part of Apex is Duck Creek, but it's also the other changes in technology and integrations as part of, the modernization of our stack. And so that 2/3 is technology related, the other third really is people related, and some of that is, standing up the team that we need to take on. Our European expansion within marketplace, we're not just doing one auction over there, we're going to be in business over there and so we're building out a team and capabilities so it's related to all the volume that'll be coming online for State Farm.

Staff up for some of that activity.

So that's how we got to that $20 million and the intent was to help people understand.

That that is a compresses our margins in 2025. We're spending those dollars now in support of growing our business and we're spending those dollars in some cases in advance of the revenue, right? So we're hiring up a team in Europe. We're having our first auction in May. We won't be at a full schedule for a couple of years and so it's a margin drag as we get to that stabilization. Same concept with State Farm, right? We've got to hire those people and we're onboarding them before the full revenue comes online and obviously the case for technology. So that was the intent is to give people a way to bridge sort of the margin story. Our margins have expanded quite rapidly. The rate of expansion slows in 2025, largely because of this $20 million. We're not signalling that that it's a one time, right? Those dollars don't go away.

The technology spend, we spend a bunch of capital dollars that turn into depreciation and then we'll be, paying for the licenses for the new technology platform and the heads obviously don't go away because we've got a bigger book of business on a go forward basis. So it's not a one-time concept, it's more of a bridge concept.

Is that helpful?

It is, yeah, it becomes kind of the baseline of expenses, but then you're layering on the revenue associated with that and leveraging that over time it sounds like the way to think about that, yeah, so that's it, yeah, okay, very good, thank you.

Pablo Singzon with JP Morgan.

Hi, thanks for taking my call. So, I just wanted to follow up quickly on the $20 million of annual expenses. How much of that showed up this quarter and how should that stay in through the year?

Thank you.

Pretty rateably actually because the technology we signed up all those licenses we're paying for them now. Some of the work is still construction progress and it hasn't fully been put into action and therefore we haven't started depreciation on it. And maybe a little bit of wrap up that over the course of the year, the people.

Most of the hiring happens in in 1 and 2 for that, so.

I would say it's probably of that $20 million, there's probably.

15 to 15% was in the first quarter and then just kind of gradually increase it from there but Jay the ballpark what do you think about it.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

This will conclude the question-and-answer session. I'd like to hand the call back to Mckeel Hagerty for closing remarks.

Thank you, operator, and thanks to all of you for your continued support and interest in Hagerty. Driving season is here and so is show season. Our Greenwich, Connecticut Concord elegance weekend is coming up on May 30th and June 1st in Greenwich, Connecticut, and we will also be hosting our annual investor event on Friday, May 30th at the Delmar Greenwich Harbor right there on the site. Of the Conca events. So hopefully some of you will be interested in joining us there, and we look forward to seeing you.

We hope you will be able to learn more about us as we think about positioning our company to double our pi count to $3 million by 2030 through our highly differentiated business model. The entire Greenwich Concord weekend should be a lot of fun and hope you can attend.

And for those of you who happen to find yourselves in Italy the weekend before, we'd love to have you join us at the Villa D'ste auction in Concorde on May 24th and 25th. Until then, never stop driving.

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time.

Enjoy the rest of your day.