Helen of Troy Ltd (HELE) 2026 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Greetings. Welcome to Helen of Troy Limited third quarter fiscal 2026 earnings call. (Operator Instructions) Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Anne Rakunas, Director, External Communications. Thank you. You may begin.

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Helen of Troy's third quarter fiscal '26 earnings conference call. The agenda for the call this morning is as follows. I will begin with a brief discussion of forward-looking statements.

Scott Uzzell, our CEO, will then share his thoughts and areas of focus, and Brian Grass, our CFO, will provide an overview of our financial performance in the third quarter and our expectations for the full year fiscal '26. Following our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for Q&A.

This conference call may contain certain forward-looking statements that are based on management's current expectation with respect to future events or financial performance. Generally, the words anticipate, believes, expects, and other similar words are words identifying forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause anticipated results to differ materially from the actual results.

This conference call may also include information that may be considered non-GAAP financial information. These non-GAAP measures are not an alternative to GAAP financial information and may be calculated differently than the non-GAAP financial information disclosed by other parties. The company cautions listeners not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements or non-GAAP information.

Before I turn the call over to Scott, I would like to inform all interested parties that a copy of today's earnings release can be found on the investor relations section of the site or by scrolling to the bottom of the homepage. The earnings release contains tables that reconcile non-GAAP financial measures to their corresponding gap-based measures.

I will now turn the conference call over to Scott.

Thank you, Anne. Good morning and happy New Year, everyone. I appreciate you joining our call. We delivered third quarter results in line with our outlook reflecting discipline and execution by our global associates who have driven progress towards stabilizing the business despite a challenging external environment. While I'm encouraged by our Q3 progress, we remain fully focused on sharpening our priorities and executing as we fix the fundamentals and improve our performance trends.

Recent trends reinforce our view that consumers are being selective. We continue to see a bifurcated economy, robust spending from high income households, while lower and middle income consumers face significant inflation and essentials like rent, food, and insurance, making them increasingly cautious with discretionary purchases. Regardless, we need to win, and I know what's required.

We will invest in our brands. We'll invest in innovation, and we'll invest in talents to restore this business to growth. And some of the initial steps we're taking to restore our events are reflected in a revised outlook for Q4 and the balance of the fiscal year, which Brian will outline shortly.

First, I'm energized by the product innovation underway and the upcoming launches in fiscal '27. We're investing in strengthening brand loyalty through storytelling to deepen our connection for consumer and advancing our commercial execution capabilities.

These initiatives reflect our commitment to consumer engagement, growth, and delivering value for our stakeholders. Over the past four months, I've visited offices around the globe, spoken with hundreds of associates and customers, conducted comprehensive review of operations, technology capability, financial performance, and external benchmarks.

These experiences have given us a fresh perspective, challenging the team to think more critically about long-term value drivers. My biggest takeaway enthusiasm for our brands is strong. Partners, associates, and customers all want us to win. These conversations reinforce my commitment to improving how we operate, sharpen our priorities, and amplify our focus on consumers.

Building on organizational changes put in place last summer, we've made strides to prepare for success. In October, I outlined four priorities re-energize our brands and our people, adapting our structure to put the consumer at the center, strengthen the portfolio for predictable growth, improve asset efficiency while maintaining shareholder-friendly policies. This is informing our direction as we complete our FY27 annual planning process and will inform our go-forward strategy. FY27 will be the first big step towards our future. More to come in the coming months.

As a brand company, we win and lose with the consumer, and growth is our scoreboard. We will make bold choices, embrace new thinking, and learn from past decisions while minimizing disruption. Our growth priorities are clear staying true to our North Star as a consumer, invest in brand building and editing and amplifying our focus, and execute with excellence by fully leveraging the talent and skill sets that already exist. By keeping the consumer at the center, we sharpen priorities and move from slow and complex to fast and agile. Teams are untangling complexity to enable faster decisions closer to the consumer as we speak.

Our growth priority is product innovation. I'm inspired by the passion, commitment, and expertise of our teams. I believe we can drive new product development by better understanding our consumers, allocating resources, and accelerating time to markets. Brands of our size can't do everything, but we must be focused and sharp as we drive separation from our competition.

Each business will have a distinct strategy centered on two or three priorities. Making these tough choices will bring greater clarity to our brands, for employees, consumers, and investors. As we reposition the business, we plan to direct resource in a disciplined and targeted manner towards the most impactful opportunities and innovative ideas, allowing them to incubate and take hold.

This will both strengthen our portfolio and drive momentum of those products and brands that have the best opportunities for growth, not just for this quarter or next fiscal year, but for the long-term as well. To fund these investments and decisions and position us for long-term sustainable growth, we plan to stay focused on maximizing operational and balance sheet efficiency.

A key ingredient of our success will also be the power of our organization to fully leverage talent and skill sets that already exist in the building. We recently welcomed back a key member of my leadership team to reignite the power of one. This is the plumbing that enables the work to be done more effectively at Helen of Troy. It's a common language of systems and processes and people. We must balance short-term performance and long-term aspiration. This work starts with my global leadership team and will be cascaded throughout the organization.

We will continue to emphasize working capital efficiency and balance sheet health and productivity. A good example is the recently announced amendment to our credit agreement, which extends the leverage ratio holiday and updates the interest coverage ratio definition. These changes give us greater flexibility to navigate the evolving trade and external landscape. We look forward to sharing our fiscal '27 outlook in April and plan to outline our long-term growth strategy in the second half of calendar '26.

And now I'd like to briefly touch on quarterly business segment performance. Overall net sales outperformed our expectations. Home and outdoor and beauty and wellness sales declined 6.7% and 0.5% respectively, while international sales fell 88.1%.

Olive & June continue to outperform our profitability expectations, delivering nearly $38 million in sales. While I am not satisfied with these overall results, I'm encouraged by some of the highlights across our portfolio. These give me confidence we can learn and replicate across our portfolio and execute.

Our ability to grow and capture market share is a product of leadership choices and operational excellence. We plan to be more intentional on our agenda and sharpen our execution. Highlights include, we grew Osprey, OXO, and Olive & June. We exceeded Olive & June internal expectations.

We increased organic B2C revenue by 21%, and we delivered $29 million of free cash flow despite $58 million in tariff drag across our portfolio, we're delivering exciting innovation. In the home and outdoor segment, we launched Osprey and Hydro Flask cooler collaboration, combining Osprey's legendary carry technology with Hydro Flask leakproof insulation for ultimate performance.

Osprey also introduced a mountain-bound series of winter luggage crafted with nano tough fabric for rugged, highly water-resistant protection for ski and snowboard gear. Hydro Flask delighted families with the Eric Carle collaboration featuring iconic, very hungry Caterpillar in our insulated kid's bottle.

OXO expanded its tot baby-led weaning suite and added a new tot and Coffee SKUs at our top partners. This month marks the debut of OXO's Trident series cookware, which provides superior heat distribution and high-performance cooking without the hassle of a cleanup.

In beauty and wellness, Olive & June continue to introduce trend right collections tied to holidays and events, including Be Bold Collection, Halloween designs, festive holiday stickers. After quarter end, Olive & June launched a playful collaboration with Peachybbies, combining nails and slime for the most satisfying collab yet, along with presses for kids and tweens, which is seeing strong early success at top retailers.

For cold and flu season, honestly will introduce two fresh new style allergen Plus HEPA-certified air purifiers, a three in one for large rooms and a tabletop for smaller spaces. These innovations, along with many more coming to market, give me increasing confidence we're focused on the right things to improve our business. I believe we can win for our consumer through innovation and marketplace execution. This allows us to return to revenue leadership, strong margins, and robust cash flow. But we know it won't be a straight line. We're making tough choices to invest in our future. We build our platform for growth and improve our financial profile through better operating leverage while we create greater competitive advantage across the portfolio.

With that, I'm going to turn it over to Brian and walk through the financial results and outlook.

Thank you, Scott. Good morning, everyone, and happy New Year.

Today, we reported third quarter net sales and adjusted EPS results in line with our expectations. I would like to thank our associates for their hard work in achieving our financial objectives for the quarter in what continues to be a challenging environment.

Operationally, we made headway on improving our go to market effectiveness, leaning in on innovation for more product-driven growth, focusing on the fundamentals and putting our brands back at the center, fully leveraging their unique strengths.

Scott mentioned several new innovations in the market, and I'm excited by new launches planned for the coming year. There's renewed energy across our organization reinforced by the culture works Scott mentioned.

Our third quarter results reflect progress towards simplifying operations, sharpening priorities, and increasing agility. But we know much more improvement is needed, and we continue to take decisive steps to position Helena Troy for sustainable growth. On tariffs, we advanced mitigation strategies including supplier diversification, SKU prioritization, cost reductions, and price increases.

The majority of our price adjustments are now in place, but we're still navigating some parts of the market where we achieve less than full pricing realization due to stop shipments we believe are necessary to support consistent adoption of price increases by our retail partners, primarily impacting the beauty and wellness segment.

We expect some residual impact from stop shipments to carry into the fourth quarter, which I will touch on later in my remarks. Year-to-date, gross unmitigated tariffs had a $31.3 million impact on gross profit, with the full year impact expected to be in the range of $50 million to $55 million.

We now expect less than a $30 million tariff impact on operating income for the full year. Net mitigation actions. Up from our prior expectation of approximately 20 million, primarily driven by delayed timing of pricing realization.

We remain on track to reduce our cost of goods sold subject to China tariffs to between 25% to 30% by the end of fiscal '26. Our diversification and dual-sourcing strategies are reducing long-term supply chain risk and helping to insulate us from further policy changes or other geopolitical impacts.

Turning to our results, consolidated net sales decreased 3.4%, favorable to our outlook range and a sequential improvement compared to the first and second quarters of the year. Organic net sales declined 10.8%. Approximately 3.3% points, or $17.3 million of the organic revenue decline was driven by tariff-related revenue disruption, which includes the pause or cancellation of direct import orders from China, changing dynamics within the China market, and the impact of stop shipments referred to earlier.

Home and outdoor net sales declined 6.7%. We saw strong demand for travel, technical and lifestyle packs, strong holiday orders from brick and mortar retailers in the home category, and incremental revenue from tariff-related price increases, offset by softness and insulated beverage ware, lower online sales in the home category, and lower overall closeout channel sales.

Beauty and wellness net sales decreased 0.5%. Organic beauty and wellness sales declined 13.9% with approximately 4.5 percentage points or $12.9 million driven by tariff-related disruption. In beauty, hair appliances and prestigious liquids were impacted by soft consumer demand, competitive pressures, the cancellation of direct import orders, and lower closeout channel sales.

Wellness was unfavorably impacted by lower international sales due to evolving dynamics in the China market. Pricing related stop shipments referred to earlier in a below average illness season. These headwinds were partially offset by a strong contribution from Olive & June of 37.7 million. Consolidated gross profit margin decreased 200 basis points to 46.9% primarily due to the net unfavorable impact of higher tariffs and a less favorable inventory obsolescence impact year over year.

These factors were partially offset by the favorable impact of Olive & June and lower commodity and product costs exclusive of tariffs. SG&A ratio increased 160 basis points, primarily due to the acquisition of Olive & June. Higher outbound freight, higher annual incentive compensation expense compared to the same period last year, and unfavorable operating leverage.

Lower gross profit margin and a higher SG&A ratio resulted in a consolidated adjusted operating margin decrease of 370 basis points to 12.9%, which consisted of a decrease of 650 basis points for home and outdoor and 120 basis points for beauty and wellness.

The declines were driven primarily by the net unfavorable impact of tariffs, higher incentive compensation expense, and unfavorable operating leverage partially offset by margin accretion from Olive & June in the beauty and wellness segment.

We incurred higher interest expense due to higher average borrowings driven by the Olive & June acquisition. Higher inventory carrying costs due to tariffs and higher CapEx spend as we make supplier transitions out of China. Higher interest expense was partially offset by lower adjusted income tax expense, resulting in adjusted EPS of $71.

Inventory ended at $505 million which includes $35 million in incremental tariff related costs year over year and incremental inventory from the Olive & June acquisition compared to $451 million at the same time last year.

Debt closed at $892 million with $325 million in revolver availability. Our net leverage ratio was 3.77 times compared to 3.54 times at the end of the second quarter. The increase in our leverage was due to lower trailing 12-month EBITDA driven by driven primarily by higher tariff costs and the unfavorable cash flow and balance sheet impacts of tariffs on our outstanding debt balance.

Year-to-date, free cash flow was 29 million, which includes 58 million of incremental cash outflows for tariff payments and the cost of supplier transitions out of China.

Now I'd like to turn to our annual outlook. We've tightened our range on the top-line to $1.758 billion to $1.773 billion with home and outdoor net sales of $812 million to $819 million compared to our previous expectation of $800 million to 819 million. And beauty and wellness net sales of $946 million to $954 million compared to our previous expectation of $939 million to $961 million.

We lowered our adjusted EPS expectations to a range of $3.25 to $3.75 driven by less than full pricing realization, consumer trade-down behavior and less favorable mix, higher trade and promotion expense, and the preservation of investments in our people and brands to build revenue momentum and more favorable operating leverage going forward.

We expect a full year GAAP SG&A ratio in the range of 38% to 40%. We expect a full year adjusted effective tax rate in the range of 13.4% to 14.7%. Inventory is expected to be $475 million to $490 million at year end, which includes an estimated $39 million of incremental costs from tariffs.

Our outlook includes the ongoing impact from changing dynamics in the China market, lapping of tariff-related order forward in the fourth quarter of fiscal 25, and residual stock shipments to support consistent tariff pricing adoption. We expect modest improvements in direct import orders and select programs shifting to warehouse replenishment. Overall, we expect retailers to continue to closely manage inventories.

Despite a recent uptick in flu incidents, overall incidents for the full season and upper respiratory illness in particular are tracking well below both last year and the trailing three season average. The retailer inventories look to be sufficiently stocked to supply demand should illness continue to increase during the remainder of the fourth quarter.

Given the challenging operating environment, we expect margin pressure to persist through the fourth quarter, reflecting consumer trade down, a more promotional environment, a delay in achieving full pricing realization, and cautious retail behavior.

While we remain focused on cost control, we are preserving key strategic investments in support of our people, new product innovation, stronger brand loyalty, and better commercial execution. As we transition back to growth mode, we expect to have a bias towards revenue improvement over cost reduction in order to recapture our operating leverage.

Before I conclude my remarks, I want to direct your attention to the investor presentation posted to our website, which contains additional information and perspective on our 3rd quarter results and our outlook for the remainder of the year.

And with that I'll turn it back to the operator for Q&A.

(Operator Instructions)

Rupesh Parikh, Oppenheimer and Company

Thanks for taking my question. So I guess just going back to some of the top-line trends and the performance of your brands, it's helpful color in terms of the brands that are actually growing, but just curious, as you look at some of the declining categories where there's beverage ware, hair appliances, etc. Where you are with, in the progress in turning around these brands.

Good morning, Rupesh. Yeah, thank you. Good question. First, we are very encouraged by our results on the green sheet brands like Osprey, Olive & June, OXO, Braun, and PUR. They continue to meet and exceed our internal expectations. We have work to do in the areas that you identified, and we are focused on that, everything from innovation on bringing new products to markets that are in the kitchen or kind of in the lab as we speak. Making sure we've got the right commercial triangle in place, which is a combination of marketing, operations, and commercial excellence, and then making sure that we're providing the right resources to the right opportunities that are going to create the right value.

So, that's our methodical approach. We feel very confident in the work that we're doing as we said in kind of our pre-recorded remarks is that. That our performance will improve, but it will not be a straight line. Some of our brands will move at a much faster rate, but the ones that you identified, we're working on aggressively.

Great. And then I guess my follow-up question just to help frame, where we are right now. So, if you look at your earnings guidance this year, is there any way to say, whether you believe that, maybe that's the bottom in earnings power? I don't know if there's any insight at this point in terms of helping us frame how to think about next year and whether we can take this year's guidance as maybe a base to grow upon.

Yeah, what I'd say this, and I'm definitely Brian can opine on it maybe more specifics, if the bottom line is this company's done probably a pretty good job of trying to get its cost structure in place the last several years, but our focus right now needs to be around growth, and that means we've got to invest in innovation, brand building, and marketplace excellence in terms of how we execute, and that's what you're going to see we're investing in in quarter 4 and as well as we talk about our long-range plan, which you'll see the first big steps in FY27, it will be about growing the top-line responsibly but growing the top-line and making sure our brands are winning as well as managing against earnings power. Brian, anything to add?

Just a little bit to say we're shifting our focus to revenue improvement versus cost reduction, and you know we think the benefit of operating leverage is going to be greater than. Any benefit we can get from trying to just PURly cut costs, that takes a little bit more time, but that's much more effective and sustainable strategy and it's going to be better for the long-term health of the business so we're making a bit of a pivot hopefully you can hear that and our folks it's going to be on revenue improvement and revenue growth first and then, growth and profitability will come after that.

Great, thank you for all the colo.

Bob Labick, CJS Securities

Good morning and happy New Year. Thanks for taking our questions. So you know one of the focuses, one of the key things you are focused on is the, return to, consumer centric innovation and, obviously you've had that in the past, maybe, was it deemphasized? Why was it deemphasized is kind of part of the question. Then the next thing is how long does that take? And so like, when should we see, that reemphasis translate into top-line because as you said your scorecard is going to be returned to revenue growth and the shift back to consumer centric. How does that play out? What are you actually doing more specifically now than you didn't do last year and how long does it take to flow through?

Bob, this is Scott. Good question. I can only give you a headline on the past because I wasn't here, but, the bottom line, I, I've seen companies go through different transitions. Sometimes they think that they can, that brands are in a better place than they are, they can misread the market. I don't know, but I know this going forward that if I've traveled the globe and I spent time for teammates, and I've analyzed our brand. Brands that you know we have a 30% to 40% of our portfolio that has innovation and opportunity to grow faster we're going to invest in them as we speak, and you'll see the benefits of that in quarter 4 as well as in the FY27.

We have a number of our brands in our portfolio that have been underinvested in, have not been organizationally set up for success, have for whatever reason has missed the mark on the consumer that we're working on the renovation steps as we speak to get them in a position to bend the curve. Bend the curve means to stabilize the business as we go into FY27 and grow further in FY28 and beyond.

But the net is we would expect that you're going to see an improvement in our business quarter 4 on as we go forward, as we come through and talk about our FY27 plan. But the key, as Brian said and what I said earlier, is there is a bias towards healthy brands and growing and winning in our categories first and also then delivering value as we do that.

Okay great and then you talked about a bunch of you know I guess new releases and I'm looking at the investor presentation right now can you maybe focus us on a few of the major releases or milestones of you know of key brands that should be more meaningful than not. So things for us to judge on success next year and not trying to, pin you to a quarter for return to growth, but just really what are the kind of, big releases that you think should move the needle and we can watch in 2026 calendar '26.

Yes, Pablo, as I can't speak on, a specific future innovation that's not out in the public domain, but what I can say is brands like Osprey, Olive & June. Braun, OXO, just like the performance we've had in the most recent quarter, we expect that to continue, and as we funnel resources to these brands that I believe can do a lot more now, you're going to see a lot more acceleration against them. I don't know if I'm really getting to your question of like a very specific launch, that's happening in the future, but, that's how we're focused. I don't know, Brian.

I can add a little and without getting too specific. I mean we have things teed up in Hydro Flask that that allows us to play as you and I have talked about, Bob, kind of in the areas where we want to reach the consumer, but we believe it's right for Hydro Flask to play in and it's not all areas, but we have a strategy there and we're excited about that. We have some category adjacency, plans in Hydro Flask 2 that we're excited about and those will be coming out soon.

In the brands that Scott didn't mention where, we've got more green shoots, we've got exciting, innovation going on there, and that includes, PUR, that includes, Vick, and that includes, honestly well. So, it, the point I'd like to make is innovation wasn't lost in all of our businesses and all of our brands. We had brands that were doing that well, Osprey, OXO and Olive & June and some of the others, but it was a little bit lost in some of these other, brands that we're talking about, and we have, strong plans and strong innovation in the roadmap that is already in process of being developed and so it's not like we're starting today on those, development plans. They're well underway and they'll be coming out soon. And it's the accumulation of all of them. There's not like one big launch that really does it. It's really making sure that all your businesses have it and have a strong pipeline so that there's no gaps. We just had a little bit too much of of gaps in the past.

Okay, got it. Thank you very much.

Peter Grom, UBS

Thank you, good morning, everyone. So two questions for me and I'll just start with this, but I guess I'm just hoping to get some perspective on what you're seeing from a category standpoint, I think there's a lot of cross currents that are that are driving the top-line trends that that you know we're seeing in your results, but if you strip out all of the noise, you have a view on kind of where underlying demand for your categories is trending today and then I guess just looking ahead there seems to be some optimism on the US consumer, tax refunds, etc. So just kind of curious, do you think that you know some of these things could drive. Some sequential improvement in category demand following what's been, very challenging few years here.

I'll take the first tab, Peter. First of all, absolutely, but I step back from this standpoint that even the most challenging times, brands that have tight brand proposition, relevant innovation, and connect with the consumer, meeting them when they are, have a way to continue to win. And like brands like Osprey, Olive & June, OXO, Braun, PUR in our portfolio, they will do well in an even better economy or when the consumers in a better place.

The other brands in our portfolio that have not performed wherever they need to be. They have nothing but upside opportunities to bend the curve through better innovation, more focused storytelling, and an organization set up that enables them to be close to the consumer and execute with excellence, which today we're not doing, and we will do better, and See that a little bit in our outlook on Q4 of why we're not pulling down our revenue, but you're also going to see that as you look at FY27 on what we expect going forward in terms of improving our performance from a top-line standpoint on a broader range of brands beyond the ones we have today.

I just add Peter that I think you know the question you're asking is a good one, but it's hard to answer like in the moment there's a lot of things in the market related to higher pricing, price increases and things like that, and, the consumer has been resilient up until this point. I think the key is how will they respond to kind of this next. Phase of inflation and pricing in market and and we'll have to wait and see but we have plenty of category growth in in some of our categories we have some that are decreasing but we also have plenty of them that are increasing and so we're going to lean into that.

No, that's super helpful. And then I guess just to follow-up on just kind of the 4Q outlook and just kind of the big divergence on the bottom line, versus the prior outlook, because Scott, to your point, the sales are kind of in line with your prior outlook.

So can you maybe just speak to the moving pieces and where things are playing out differently than what you would have expected? And I guess this is maybe, asking rapacious question differently. And I know we'll get '27 guidance in April, but I guess would you say these four key dynamics is more one time in nature, or are there things investors should be extrapolating, from this leisure exit rate out to next year.

I'll take the first part and let Brian opine on it. First of all, as you look at Q4, I think of it like kind of a wedge. This is the beginning. What we want to invest in our brands for growth. I want the word growth to be a part of what we're about and it's responsible growth and what we're doing is we're, we believe that we can grow the top-line if we make the investment against new product innovation, better storytelling, getting our organization with the consumer at the center. We can bend the performance and you're going to see a little bit of that in Q4 and you see a lot more of that big steps forward as we go into FY 27, but as far as outlook long-term, of course we're not ready to publish that. I don't know if Brian can share any more color or texture to that.

I can give you some good perspective on Q4 and then, give you some dimensionality of how to feel about going forward from that and I just say to tag on to what Scott was saying. Our conclusion is more of the same isn't going to get us where we want to go. We've been trying to cut our way to better performance over the last two to three years, and it's not sustainable, and we're at a point where it's going to be very difficult to continue to do that.

So we're shifting our focus to revenue improvement versus cost reduction to get better operating leverage. That's going to take more time, and I think in the short-term you're going to see more pressure on the bottom line as we look to lift the top-line. And then once the top-line is lifting. It makes solving the bottom line much easier and much more healthy with respect to the fourth quarter in particular there's a slide, page 14 in the investor presentation which will give you an illustration, that the main driver in the change is really unfavorable pricing realization.

So in the third quarter is when our pricing was really, implemented and compared to our original expectations, we did not achieve we, we've got basically leakage versus what our original expectation were both in realization of the price increase margin that we wanted to gain and stop shipments that we're in the process of implementing to enforce uniform pricing adoption, and we think that's crucial in getting price increases to stick. They have to be uniformly adopted, otherwise it doesn't work. And the other thing I'll note is that pricing leakage dropped straight to the bottom line. It has, so it has an outsized impact on the bottom line versus the revenue impact, and so be aware of that. We also built in the expectation of higher consumer trade down because we are seeing that, in a less favorable mix.

We, and I mentioned some of this in my remarks. We also assume higher promotional expense and margin compression as we look to tighten up our balance sheet and really get our inventory levels in the right place, and we expect that to occur in the fourth quarter. And then last point I'd make or last two points, while we believe overall retail inventory is healthy, there were a couple areas where we had inventory that was higher than we would have liked and so we built in the assumption that that's going to rebalance in the fourth quarter.

And then the last point is we're preserving key investments in our people, innovation, and brands, and actually want to reinstate some of what we cut in the first three quarters of the year and so we're going to make those choices for the fourth quarter so that we can get to this revenue improvement, and better operating leverage as we go forward. So that, that's a little bit of and I would say look there's gotta be some continuation of investment back into the growth as we go to fiscal 27, but we're not prepared to give you anything specific with respect to fiscal '27 at this time.

Okay, that's helpful. And lastly, maybe just quickly, a lot of focus on this call around top line, getting these brands back to healthy levels of growth. And so Scott, I kind of be curious as you've kind of dug in and started to study this business more over the last several months, is portfolio opt optimization part of that exercise, or do you kind of see the same opportunity across the entire brand portfolio?

Yeah, Bob, great question. I'd say this, we're always, as we do our strategic review, let me back up. I've been here four months. I focused on four areas that I think about the last four months, and one of which has been job one, which is kind of what, how do we get their aspiration looking out to the future and then what are our big steps in FY27 as a part of that process which we've kicked off in the last 30 days, which you'll see more of it in the coming months is looking at our portfolio but fundamentally as I talked about earlier, we have 30% to 40% of our brands that have, upside opportunity given investment and given the right focus, and we're going to kind of step down on them, step down in a good way, push them forward, and then we have a number of brands that we have to evaluate what is the right.

Going forward, how do we invest? What's the right operating model? There's so much opportunity there and then like any company we're always going to be evaluating our portfolio over the next, as we look at our strategic plan on what brands are best fit and which ones don't, but at this point I don't have any specific answer on that.

Great, thank you so much for all the color. I'll pass it on.

Susan Anderson, Canaccord Genuity

Hi, good morning, thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to follow-up on the innovation front, I guess I was curious, are there certain areas such as, maybe the most underperforming areas that you're going to touch first, or is this something where you're just kind of going to touch all areas of the portfolio? And then in beauty I guess you know that industry obviously has seen growth the entire time.

So just kind of curious what you think kind of went wrong there and what you need to do to kind of turn drive bar around both on the liquid side and fixture side, and then I'm not sure if I heard that. Did you say how Curl Smith performed in the quarter thanks.

Yeah, first of all, yeah, Susan, thank you. From an innovation standpoint, we can't, run it every innovation equally, so we just cannot do that. We've got to be really smart about it, and we have several brands that I would say today can do a lot more, can grow a lot faster with the right level of support, and we're going to make sure as we go into FY27 that they get what they need.

And then we have a number of brands I call that are in the phase of renovation. That need work, any work from everything on getting sharp on the consumer, sharp on the product pipeline, sharp on the structure to support the brand in the marketplace, and we're going to do that work.

So as I expect our growth curve going forward to be not a straight line, we're going to have parts of our portfolio growing at a faster rate, and in some parts we're just trying to stabilize as we go into FY27. Specifically around beauty, we've got an opportunity. We got, we've got some work to do in that area, and I can tell you this, the team is on it.

They've gone through a big reset moment in the last 24 months. FY27, we should see some improvement, but it'll be much more around stabilization and clarity of future than being in the green bucket of high growth which we're getting from things like Olive & June, Osprey, and Braun, etc. I don't know, Brian, if you have anything you want to add.

I just say on Carl Smith specifically, I mean, we're not given that level of detail. Carl Smith didn't have the best quarter in terms of our shipments in the quarter, but I wouldn't say that's indicative of the health of that business.

Okay great and then maybe just to follow-up I guess if you could talk about kind of how you're thinking about your leverage I guess where would you like it to go a longer-term and I guess you know I guess how long do you think it would take you to to reach that goal and then maybe just a follow-up on you know kind of the portfolio and potentially rationalizing some of it I guess do you think there's opportunity there maybe even to help pay down quicker some of your leverage that --

Yeah, I'll take the first step and Brian can step in. In addition to, I know you've, growth, which I fundamentally think is a job one for Helen and Troy, and we have that opportunity against our brands. In addition to that, going, as you'll hear in our plan forward, getting our balance sheet healthy and driving operational efficiency will also be kind of an in tandem, strategic priority for us that we're going to be focused on. I'll let Brand talk more about the leverage ratio.

But specifically around the portfolio, I mean just I've been doing this world of kind of running portfolios of brands for many years and always reevaluating the portfolio mid, short, mid and long-term and I say in the short-term, we're going to be focused on how do we bend the curve and improve our performance from our green brands and as well as our renovation brands. I think midterm and long-term we'll be looking at what is the right portfolio for Helen and Troy and how does that create the long-term value for the company. We're not in a position today to where I'm not holding back right now that I have a specific brand that I'm like, oh, it shouldn't be there because we're doing the hard work of saying how do we drive the right strategic plan for the company and we're just not there yet. But but it's definitely something we will be considering and a question we'll wrestle with as we do the work. Brian, do you have anything you want to add on the leverage ratio? Yes, let's turn it over to Brian.

Yeah, I just say look, we have a base plan that we feel really good about in terms of our leverage and our ability to bring leverage down. We, we've got a big opportunity to tighten our balance sheet and make it more productive. We're, we've been working on that and we're going to double down on that, area of focus that's, you heard some of my comments earlier about inventory. We're going to, tighten up our inventory which will produce a lot of cash and we're going to put that, to work to pay down the debt.

We also have some longer-term assets that we can look to monetize and, we can consolidate from three distribution centers to two. That's going to take a little bit of time, but that's on our minds so I would say that that's the base plan and plan A that we're kind of working first.

But as Scott said, we're always, thinking about the vestiture and I'll just tell you we get inbound you asked, is it possible for one of those things to happen and I will tell you we get inbound interest on some of our brands, on a regular basis. I think our focus is more on the Plan A at this point while we're maybe thinking about and working on the Plan B of divestiture.

Divestitures are very distracting. They take a lot of work, and you can put all that work in and get to the end and you don't get the value that you're looking for, and you may not be successful. We have to be very choiceful about the ones that we're going to invest that level of work and time into and I think Scott needs time. To build his growth strategy and really look at this and then once we've done all that and done that assessment then I think we're better prepared to say we want to focus on, X, Y or Z, so that's how we think about it.

Okay, great. That was very helpful. Thanks for all the details. Good luck in the new year.

Olivia Tong, Raymond James

Good morning and happy New Year. Based on the innovations you're planning for next year, do you think you'll find a revenue rebate in FY27 or perhaps when do you think you can omit the commentary around the recovery not being linear? I know it's unlikely you'll provide a lot of building blocks for fiscal '27, but there are quite a few exogenous issues that hit this year, both on revenue and, profitability, most notably, obviously the tariff hit. So, what are the incremental hits that we should be thinking about after tariffs begin to enter the base in the late spring?

I'll let you just.

Yeah, I mean, Olivia, the first part of your conversation was, kind of when do you think we'll inflect on it from a revenue perspective, and I want to address that, and I think Scott, can also address a piece of it, but then I think you're also saying, look, you had some exogenous headwinds during the year that you don't necessarily have to repeat as you go into next year, and I would agree with that sentiment. We had a lot of disruption in our revenue related to tariffs and direct imports and China dynamics, that is stabilizing. We still have work to do to ensure that we can recover.

All of that revenue base as we go into next year and I'm not making a commitment on that at this point. We're doing the work and we're trying to recapture all that revenue, and I think it's definitely no matter what, I, it's a building block year over year because we already know that some of that's, back in our base, but whether we can get all of it is still an open question, so I can't tell you to what extent at this point, but it's a work in process and yeah, the tariff situation is better I think that hopefully what you're hearing from our commentary though is that benefit that we're going to get from things like tariff stabilization and they reduce the rate and you know we now have pricing in market and they're even talking about refunds potentially with the Supreme Court we want to put that back into the business to make sure that we have steady consistent reliable revenue growth.

And then I think the algorithm on the profit improvement comes it comes in, but that's going to take a little bit of time. We're going to focus on revenue first. We get that strong, everything else kind of takes care of itself, but I don't expect that immediately. We got to get the revenue back first and then we're going to two step it to the profitability.

Got it. Maybe if I could double click on that about, what you think is a potential steady state operating margin for the company, do you think you can get back to double-digit margins over time? If so, what sort of needs to happen to get there and what's your view on timing of that?

Yeah, I do think we can get back to that, but again, hopefully, we're not going to time warp back to, margins from 3 years ago. That, that's not the way it's going to work. We're going as we get to revenue improvement first, then revenue growth, then we'll use the operating leverage to have some kind of an algorithm that delivers on profit growth to a degree, but we're going to over index, on the revenue piece of it, so I don't want to give you a specific margin at this point, but what I will tell you is we will, once we get back to revenue growth, we will have an algorithm that produces margin expansion and, if it's 2 points of revenue growth and it's probably 20 bits of margin expansion. If it's 5 points of revenue growth, maybe it's 50 points of revenue expansion. But just to be clear, that's a couple steps away we have to get to revenue improvement first, then revenue consistent revenue growth, then we'll focus on margin expansion.

Got it. Thank you.

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

Thank you very much, everyone. With renewed enthusiasm across the company, we're ready to leverage our portfolio and return to sustainable, profitable growth. Our path to our aspiration is becoming clear. This leadership team is determined to show sequential improvement across our business in the coming quarters. We will do this by staying focused on our North Star, which is keeping the consumer at the center of everything we do.

By realigning our commercial triangle of product, sales, and marketing, we are reinvigorating brand building and strengthening retail and operation execution. Our teams are energized. We're ready to fully leverage our diverse portfolio of leading brands to get us back to a path to growth. Thank you for participating today. We look forward to speaking with many of you at the ICR conference and the virtual CJS conference next week. Have a good day.

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