葛蘭素史克 (GSK) 2015 Q2 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good day, ladies and gentlemen.

  • Welcome to the GSK investor analyst call, Q2 quarterly results hosted by Sir Andrew Witty, CEO.

  • My name is Sue, and I am your operator.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • I would like to hand over to Sir Andrew Witty, CEO.

  • Please go ahead.

  • - CEO

  • Good afternoon, and welcome to this second-quarter call, everybody.

  • This is the first full quarter since the closure of our three-part transaction with Novartis, and so far performance is quite encouraging and very much on track with our expectations.

  • Reported sales for group grew 7% on a CER basis to GBP5.9 billion, and that's up 2% on a pro-forma basis.

  • Core earnings per share for the quarter were flat at 17.3p, again on the constant currency basis.

  • We've also today reiterated our earnings guidance for 2015 and the outlook for return to earnings growth in 2016.

  • All of this represents early but positive signals of the benefits that the transaction is delivering for GSK in terms of performance, and how it's reshaping the group and strengthening our Vaccine and Consumer Healthcare businesses.

  • Following the transaction, today we have three world leading businesses, which enable the group to access the fast growing global demand for healthcare and to balance our exposure to future changes in the industry price and environment.

  • Turning first to our Pharmaceutical business, reported sales declined 6% but grew 2% adjusting for the impact of the transaction.

  • The growth was driven by impressive rates of growth for HIV products, partially offset by anticipated declines in Respiratory between Established Products.

  • In Vaccines, reported sales grew 11% but declined 5% on a pro-forma basis versus a strong Q2 last year.

  • This business will inevitably see significant swings quarter to quarter not least due to the timing of tenders.

  • I'm very confident in the prospects going forward, as we integrate post the transaction with Novartis and roll out new vaccines across multiple therapy areas.

  • In Consumer, sales grew 51% reported and 6% pro forma.

  • The switch from Flonase to OTC continues to be a great example of the combined strength of the Company, combining our Pharma scientific leadership, that included 40 clinical studies on this product with consumer FMCG excellence throughout the launch.

  • Beyond Flonase, we've also seen strong performance of oral health globally, but reductions of stock in trade have reduced some of the sales growth in international.

  • Stepping back, it's clear two things are happening in the Pharma business.

  • First, the continued successful implementation of the restructuring program is underway and on track to deliver GBP1 billion of annual cost savings by 2017.

  • And second, there is growing momentum in the new products.

  • This represents contributions from a number of different therapy areas but most notably in our HIV medicines, Tivicay and Triumeq, which had combined sales of GBP294 million in the quarter.

  • Importantly, the growth of new pharmaceutical products is now more than offset in sales declines in Seretide and Advair.

  • Taken together, sales of new pharmaceutical and vaccine products were GBP446 million in the quarter, and we remain on track to see contributions from these products of at least three -- of at least GBP6 billion by 2020, as we first set out in May.

  • A critical element of this new portfolio is of course Respiratory, and during the quarter we received a positive FDA AdCom recommendation for Nucala, our IL5 monoclonal antibody for severe asthma, which has also been filed for approval in Japan.

  • That's just one example of our pipeline delivering for the business.

  • More broadly, we now have around 40 NMEs, both drugs and vaccines, in advanced clinical development across six therapy areas including respiratory, HIV, oncology, vaccines, cardiovascular, and immuno-inflammation.

  • These among others are going to be the programs we talk about at our R&D investor event, which we are today confirming will be held in New York City on the 3rd of November.

  • With that, I'll now hand over to Simon to give you a few more of the details on the quarter before we open up for Q&A.

  • Simon?

  • - CFO

  • Thanks, Andrew.

  • Although it's early days, overall we see the first four quarters since we acquired the Vaccines and Consumer businesses from Novartis, as an encouraging start for the Company and its new shape.

  • In particular, performance from the acquired Vaccines and Consumer businesses has been in line with our original expectations.

  • We are on track with delivery from both the Pharmaceuticals restructuring and the Novartis integration programs, and we've made further progress in the renewal of our Pharmaceutical portfolio with particularly strong performances from our newly launched HIV products.

  • But also continued build from other launches including Benlysta and our new respiratory products.

  • Growth in new pharmaceutical products including HIV is now starting to offset the declines we are seeing in Advair.

  • Pricing pressures continued to impact Advair/Seretide in the quarter, as contracting changes continue in the US, and generic competition increases in Europe and international.

  • We expect Advair/Seretide to continue to decline at similar rates in the second half, as we progress the transition of our Respiratory portfolio to newer products around the world.

  • The transition is inevitably going to be lumpy quarter to quarter, but we remain on track with our plans and continue to expect to deliver our guidance for 2015 of a constant currency percentage decline in EPS in the high teens, reflecting also the dilution in the year of the Novartis transaction.

  • Following this transition year, we continue to expect to return the group to growth in earnings per share, at rates that in 2016 should reach double-digit levels, again on a constant currency basis.

  • Turning to the details of the quarter, before getting into that, we should on a CER basis, I should point out that currency has been a more significant headwind to the reported results this quarter than in Q1.

  • Currency movements provided a 1% drag on sales, with a positive impact from a stronger US dollar, more than offset by the strength of sterling.

  • It's most other currencies, particularly the euro.

  • At the core EPS level, the currency drag was higher at 9%, and this was primarily a result of the currency mix of our cost space.

  • Also exchange losses on the settlement of intercompany transactions were GBP34 million higher this quarter, reflecting the exceptional currency volatility that we've seen over the last several months.

  • On the main divisions, in Pharmaceuticals, which includes both HIV and global pharmaceutical, sales down 6% pro forma, Pharma sales grew 2%, as strong sales of our HIV products offset a 4% decline in global pharmaceuticals, which primarily reflected the decline in Advair/Seretide in US and Europe.

  • For HIV, Q2 sales grew 59%, with a very strong uptick of Tivicay and Triumeq continuing in every region.

  • Tivicay has now launched in 43 markets and Triumeq has launched in 23.

  • In the global pharmaceuticals business in the US, sales were down 7% pro forma primarily driven by Advair again, which was down 17%.

  • It's down 19% year to date, and we continue to expect a decline of around 20% for the full year reflecting both lower price realizations, but also the shift to the newer products.

  • On the positive side with sales of GBP19 million in the quarter and some recent share improvements, Breo is continuing to build helped by the recent launch of the asthma indication and the commercial changes we've made.

  • Anoro's progress in the market continues to be more difficult.

  • As we've explained before, Anoro represents a significant change in the treatment options available to physicians for COPD, and it appears it's going to take some time to move current approaches to treatment.

  • That said, we remain confident in the benefits to patients from the product, and are continuing to sharpen our commercial execution and resourcing.

  • Overall performance in the US was significantly better than Q1 when it was down a pro forma 21%, primarily due to the headwind from Lovaza generics diminishing significantly, but also the multiple growth contributions we're now seen from Breo and Anoro, but also Tanzeum, Benlysta, and a Relenza stockpile shipment to CDC of GBP33 million.

  • I will remind you that we expect Avodart in the US, which contributed GBP66 million in the quarter, to begin to encounter generics during Q4 of this year.

  • In Europe, sales were down 8% pro forma in the Pharma business primarily reflecting a 16% decline in Seretide, where we're seeing intensifying competition, as well as the continuing transition that we're managing to our newer products.

  • We expect these pressures to continue but in Q2, total sales for Relvar and Anoro already offset almost 40% of Seretide's decline.

  • In international, sales grew 1% pro forma held back by the performance of our China business, which saw a 14% pro forma decline in the quarter as we continue to reset this business for the future, including new pricing policies designed to drive volume.

  • And we are also disposing of a number of peripheral businesses to sharpen our focus in the country.

  • In the quarter, Pharma international was also impacted by disruption from the broader implementation of the global pharma restructuring program, as well as some limited capacity constraints while we de-bottleneck to meet growing volume demand.

  • These factors should ease over the balance of the year.

  • Japan was up 13% pro forma with a strong performance from Respiratory, helped somewhat by the benefit of a weaker Q2 comparative last year.

  • Turning to Vaccines, overall Vaccines grew 11%, but were down 5% on a pro-forma basis as strong growth in Europe was offset by declines in international and the US.

  • US Vaccine sales were down 5% pro forma mainly due to lower sales of Infanrix, Pediarix, which saw a key competitor return to the market during the course of last year.

  • Encouragingly, sales of our meningitis portfolio, Menveo and Bexsero, totaled GBP27 million in the quarter.

  • We're pleased with the recent ASIP positive vote related to Bexsero which puts greater choice in the hands of physicians and should improve coverage for the vaccine, and as a result, we expect improved momentum from Bexsero, as the year progresses and awareness as the recommendation increases.

  • We also expect the US Vaccines business to benefit from higher flu sales in 2015.

  • Early approval and shipment this year should see that benefit land mainly in the third quarter, compared to last year when shipments were more weighted to Q4.

  • All of the doses supplied to the US this year will be for our new Quadrivalent vaccines, which attract better pricing.

  • Last year, only 70% of our flu doses in the US were for Quadrivalent.

  • In Europe, Vaccine sales in the quarter grew 12% pro forma with the main drivers being Boostrix, up 31% benefiting from improved supply as well as a competitor outage.

  • And Bexsero, which recorded sales of GBP24 million, with tender sales in the UK and growing sales across Europe, particularly in Italy, Portugal, and Germany.

  • In international, as I flagged back in May, Q2 for the Vaccines business faced tough comparators due to a large amount of tender shipments in the quarter last year.

  • Overall, this results in a 16% pro- forma decline, although this was exacerbated by some tender shipments moving to later quarters.

  • Remember also this part of the business is particularly impacted by the supply chain investments we are making to improve overall reliability and expand capacity for the future.

  • This will create some continuing constraints to supply over the next 18 months as the program is completed.

  • Overall though, we expect a better performance in international during H2 this year, although a fair amount of the shipments coming will be to lower margin customers, including some significant [gravity] tenders.

  • On the Consumer front, Consumer Healthcare sales were up 6% pro forma, with challenges in the international region partly offsetting very strong performances for the US and Europe.

  • The US business, as Andrew highlighted, up 28% pro forma, continued to benefit from the recent launch of Flonase OTC, as well as some supply improvements in oral care.

  • Those improvements also helped oral care in Europe, which was up 7% pro forma, along with a number of important new product instructions in the Sensodyne range.

  • Sensodyne globally was up 18% in the quarter.

  • In the international business, India continues to deliver strong growth, but in a number of sizable markets are a material impact in the quarter from reducing channel inventories in the Novartis acquired businesses, most notably in China, Russia, and the Middle East.

  • With Russia and the Middle East also suffering from regional slowdowns as well.

  • Turning to operating profit, while there's a lot of work under way on the integration and getting costs out of the business, the quarter was heavily impacted as expected by the inherited costs of the Vaccines and Consumer businesses.

  • The Consumer margin was also distorted by a one-off adjustment in the China business resolving past sales tax disputes.

  • This cost around 1.3 percentage points of the Consumer margin in the quarter.

  • To date across the acquired businesses, we've seen relatively limited impact from the integration programs given their early stage.

  • However, those programs are firmly on track and we should start to see the benefits coming through to Vaccines and Consumer much more clearly in the second half, in line with the progression we just discussed at the first quarter.

  • Overall, the group margin in Q2 was down 2.4 percentage points, down 1% excluding currency.

  • The impact of the Novartis transaction was around 350 basis points in the quarter, ahead of the range I've indicated we expect for the full year of 200 to 300 basis points, mainly reflecting the phasing and timing of the transaction close.

  • And remember, the impact in Q1 was much lower at 120 basis points.

  • Excluding the transaction, the core margin for the group improved 250 basis points on a pro-forma basis, benefiting from a more favorable mix in the quarter and the initial benefits of the Pharma restructuring program, which we initiated last year, particularly in R&D costs.

  • Year to date excluding currency, the core margin is down 250 basis points, with the transaction making up virtually all of that as a negative 240 basis points.

  • The impact of the transaction is expected to increase half on half despite initial synergy contributions, mainly because we exit a much higher contribution from oncology profits, almost GBP200 million more in the second half, than the GBP100 million of profit we lost in the first half.

  • Remember also, the second half last year benefited from the GBP219 million of structural benefits we recorded in SG&A in Q3, which boosted the full-year 2014 operating margin by approximately 1%.

  • We still expect the overall decline in the core margin for the full year to be in the order of 500 basis points on a constant currency basis.

  • In the bottom half of the P&L, the core effective tax rate was 20% for both Q2 and H1 this year, a benefit versus the 22% for the same period last year.

  • We continue to expect 20% as the effect rate for the full year.

  • Looking ahead, the tax rate for the second half last year was just below 18%, and so while the EPS growth in H1 one reflected a 2% tax benefit, the second half this year will have a 2% headwind from the effective tax rate.

  • Minority interests also significantly affected the quarter reflecting the significant step up we saw in ViiV and the new Consumer joint venture, and we expect the charge from minority interests to increase further in the second half.

  • Turning to cash flow, the net cash flow from -- net cash inflow from operations for the quarter was GBP219 million, excluding GBP74 million of legal settlements, adjusting for the tax payment of around GBP0.5 billion on the sale of oncology, and approximately GBP250 million of cash paid out for restructuring and integration costs, both of which were funding from the proceeds of the Novartis transaction that we received in the first quarter.

  • The cash generated from operations was GBP1.1 billion broadly comparable with last year.

  • And dividend payments to our shareholders in the quarter also totaled GBP1.1 billion.

  • We continue to manage the balance sheet to protect our credit ratings and maintain our financial flexibility, and as we highlighted at Q1, we continue to prioritize ordinary dividend payments and the funding of investments to accelerate the delivery of transaction synergies and other investment opportunities we've identified in the portfolio, including restructuring benefits.

  • Net debt at the end of the second quarter was GBP9.6 billion, GBP4.8 billion lower than the end of last year, again reflecting the net benefit of the proceeds from the Novartis transaction and the initial costs of accelerated integration spend.

  • So overall, with the integration of restructuring programs on track, the business performing in line with our expectations, we are encouraged by the progress in Q2 in delivering the value we see in the new shape of the group, and we remain confident in delivering our 2015 guidance and the outlook we've set out for 2016.

  • With that, I'll hand the call back to Andrew.

  • - CEO

  • Thank you very much, Simon, and I'm very happy to open up the call for Q&A.

  • So if we could ask the first operator to introduce the first question, please.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Graham Parry, Bank of America.

  • - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Thanks for taking the questions.

  • First one is on ViiV and the 76.5% margin, obviously driven by strong Tivicay/Triumeq performance in the US.

  • Could you just give us a feel for the sustainability of that margin going forwards, any mix effects from launching in new countries, or cabotegravir R&D impact on that margin?

  • Secondly, on Consumer margin, that was still only 8.5% even after we add back in the one-off in China.

  • So again, could you just talk through the moving parts in that margin and expectations for the remainder of the year?

  • And then finally, if you could just help us understand the key challenges with Anoro and what is your long-term strategy to overcome this?

  • And KOLs were always quite keen on Anoro and earlier and more aggressive treatments for COPD, so I'm just trying to understand a little bit better where you're coming up with the strongest resistance.

  • Thanks.

  • - CEO

  • Thanks very much, Graham.

  • So Simon is going to pick up the HIV margin in a second.

  • On Anoro, so really what's happening here is the market is, I think, quite well -- well, very well entrenched into two groups of physicians, those who essentially start with a product like Spiriva and then progress and potentially add in other products so, for example, like Advair, or those who start with Advair, or products like Advair, and then potentially add in a Spiriva.

  • And I think what everybody -- so what we're seeing is no -- this new category of the double bronchodilator is not really opening up yet as a category.

  • It's not simply an Anoro issue.

  • And what we need to work through with the physicians is a much clearer understanding of how they can insert the double bronchodilator in the pathway of care and really obviously create another alternative.

  • Now from where we sit, we think there's a very compelling argument, given the very strong head-to-head data we have for Anoro versus the market leader in the anticholinergic space.

  • I think it'll be quite interesting as Boehringer themselves actually start to move into this category how that will potentially also help develop the category.

  • There's been no doubt, though, we needed to tighten up some of our commercial promotional message, which we've done over the last three or four months.

  • And we also needed to upweight our promotional share of voice, which we've also done, essentially effective as of about three weeks ago.

  • So we're doing it.

  • There's a number of things we needed to do tactically; we've done those, but the reality is it's about creating a new category.

  • We feel pretty optimistic about how that plays out over the next couple of years, but it clearly isn't quite the same as just launching a product into a pre-existing category.

  • As far as the Cx margin is concerned, a couple of things.

  • Obviously, first of all, you would expect this quarter to be the worst margin because you know that the Novartis margin was significantly below the GSK margin coming into the transaction.

  • Obviously, very little of the restructuring benefit has actually accrued yet, so that the -- some of the people who are leaving the organization, some of the sites which are going to be closed, just beginning to happen.

  • Obviously takes a couple of months to get that going.

  • Actually, we're slightly ahead of where we anticipated in that process, but it was never anticipated that it would hit Q2 in any meaningful way.

  • So you're essentially looking at the inherited depressed margin, which came in from Novartis, number one.

  • Number two, as Simon said, there is a particular one-off in the quarter of just under about a point and a half, I think, of the tax catch-up settlement, which obviously affects it.

  • And the third area, which I think is actually a positive, is we've had a very, very strong take-off of Flonase in the US, and we've continued to invest A&P behind that brand as we've gone through Q2.

  • So actually, although we don't show you this data, if you benchmark us to somebody like a Reckitt, for example, we're spending more in A&P in this space than somebody like a Reckitt would be.

  • Why?

  • Because we've got A, Flonase, which is a tremendous opportunity for us to build sustained switch volume.

  • B, we've got Voltaren, another huge product which we can continue to move out around the world.

  • And obviously oral care, where again you can see in Sensodyne, in particular, 18% up for the quarter.

  • So some of it is A&P.

  • Now as we go through the year, you'll start to see a whole number of things happen.

  • First of all, we're getting good tailwind in terms of supply compared to last year, so that helps quite a bit.

  • We're seeing the gross margin look better as we move forward and you start to see the benefits of the synergies start to flow through.

  • So I would anticipate that margin to strengthen quite materially as we progress through the next couple of quarters.

  • And we are absolutely on track to hit the medium-term outlook we gave you.

  • And I'll remind you that that was that we would deliver a margin of at least 20%.

  • So we feel very, very solid and good about that.

  • And on the HIV point, Simon, please.

  • - CFO

  • Thanks, Graham.

  • So in terms of overall trend, clearly the quarter is above trend at 74%, and that's really reflecting the leverage from the top-line growth and the SG&A behind that.

  • I think what we haven't got in the P&L at the moment is some of the R&D that we expect to start putting back into the P&L as the pipeline progresses.

  • So I think overall, and I know we've had a number of questions on this, if you think of a trend of around 70%, you're probably in the right place.

  • And clearly the margin quarter to quarter is going to move around that depending on where we are in the development of current and future products

  • - CEO

  • Thanks, Simon.

  • Our next question, please.

  • Operator

  • James Gordon, JPMorgan.

  • - Analyst

  • Hello.

  • Thanks for taking my questions.

  • One question was on European Advair.

  • I saw sales were down 16% this quarter.

  • Just wondering how much of that is price versus volume?

  • Is this a new run rate due to generic competition, or are there some one-off factors we should think about?

  • The second question was on mepolizumab and the PDUFA coming up.

  • I think it's November.

  • Assuming we do get a timely approval, is this a product that could have an Anoro-like launch, or could this be a lot quicker?

  • And if you do get just an adult approval, would you do then an adolescent study, and how long would that take?

  • And then the third question was just on the R&D day.

  • Should we think that we get a Phase III go decision announced at this event for products like cabotegravir and the [hiff], or do you need more work and more data before you could make that decision and announce it?

  • - CEO

  • Okay, James.

  • Just on the last part, I won't prejudge what you're going to see.

  • You are going to see a mix of data, so you -- but what you're going to see is data on the programs, which we, A, think are important, and B, the programs which are going to potentially be fileable in the next five or six years.

  • So you're going to see, and of the 40 NMEs, we'd say roughly 20 to 25 of those are potentially fileable and approvable in the next five years or so.

  • So, now some of those you're going to see very advanced data.

  • Some of those you're going to see data which is about to trigger Phase III.

  • Some of those you're going to see earlier data but in programs which go much more quickly.

  • So, for example, oncology.

  • There's some very interesting, very early stuff in oncology.

  • And some of new targets, obviously as you know better than anybody, they can go very quickly once they start moving.

  • So at R&D day, you're going to see a mix.

  • It's not going to be a particularly one-size-fits-all type of approach.

  • I think you'll -- well, I think if you look in the page we've put in here, you can see about 80% of the programs we've listed in the book are first in class or potentially capable of being first in class, and of course, there will be some more which we touch on at the R&D day, which is not on the list.

  • In terms of mepolizumab, you're right.

  • The PDUFA date is November.

  • And in terms of launch, I think our expectation is that it will be a mixed kind of experience because clearly there is already somewhat of a market definition and some overlap between the potential patient population for mepolizumab versus Xolair.

  • There is already an established habit there.

  • We've got, I think, excellent data for this product, but having said that, mepolizumab has potential utility in a much broader, much larger population than Xolair.

  • So there is going to be a bit of both.

  • We are going to be launching in the period where we're going to be in the US payer environment dealing with the so-called miscellaneous reimbursement scheme.

  • Because the J-codes aren't going to be issued until January.

  • So we're going to be in that slightly odd period.

  • For the physicians who are used to dealing with this kind of biologic, that shouldn't be a big issue, but it will be a bit of an impediment for physicians who are not used to it.

  • So there's going to be a little bit of a mixed pattern.

  • We feel very optimistic about this product in terms of its material head start, so we think at least six, eight months ahead of the next, certainly years ahead of Azed and others.

  • And in terms of the data we have, we feel very, very competitive in that position.

  • Peds will come later on, and as far as we can see, no subcategorization for adults.

  • As far as European Advair, as Simon indicated back in May, and in fact going all the way back to the Q4 results in fact, we had anticipated more sporadic generic competition across Europe.

  • We continue to see that.

  • It's very patchy, so it's a different generic in a different country.

  • Sometimes it's an aerosol; sometimes it's a kind of copy dry-powder device; sometimes it's substitutable; sometimes it's not substitutable.

  • So it's very, very much in line.

  • As we stand today, we have held onto the vast, vast, like 90% plus of the volume, but obviously there's a price that's come with that.

  • So the majority of what you are seeing in terms of the European Advair decline, which I think you should expect to continue to see decline as we continue to deal with these competitors, most of it's coming through price.

  • Actually, the volume is absolutely overwhelmingly -- massively overwhelmingly in Seretide's favor, and that's not an unusual pattern.

  • If you go back and look at Ventolin, even 20 years, I think now 30 years almost after the patent expired of Ventolin, we still have very significant volume shares.

  • So that's playing out very much as we would have anticipated, but of course where there is step down, as you go through the price change, and that's what we'd indicated we expected.

  • So thanks, James.

  • Next question.

  • Operator

  • Keyur Parekh, Goldman Sachs.

  • - Analyst

  • Good afternoon.

  • I've got two set of questions, please.

  • First, just on the consumer margin, I realize kind of it's a tough quarter, but Andrew, if you can just help us think through how we should think about it kind of on a 2015 basis, what do you expect the exit rate for that margin to be when you're exiting 2015, adjusting for the cost savings versus the currency hit with the Consumer margins?

  • That's one.

  • And secondly, Andrew, just in sense of the broader healthcare environment around you, a lot has changed this year, even if it's kind of look at since kind of what's happened on the M&A side since May.

  • There's been a lot of reshaping of companies.

  • Do any of those things change your view on what Glaxo's strategy should be going forward?

  • And if so, how?

  • Thank you.

  • - CEO

  • Great, thanks, Keyur.

  • Let me ask Simon to answer the first question.

  • - SVP, Governance, Ethics and Assurance

  • Thanks, Keyur.

  • I think as we touched a bit on at Q1, Q2 and Q3 are going to have a lot of disruption from the transaction.

  • But overall for the year as a whole, I think if you took the sort of levels you were seeing in Q1 and a bit of improvement, you'd probably be in broadly the right place.

  • - CEO

  • Thanks, Simon.

  • As far as the broader healthcare environment, it's not just in the last three months.

  • We've seen, I think, really over the last two, two and a half years a kind of building dynamic within the environment, which frankly, what we're seeing in the moment is a re-emergence of government anxiety around pricing and affordability in Europe.

  • But not I wouldn't say a new behavior but a re-emergence of noise that's been quiet for the last few years.

  • Obviously, with the Affordable Care Act and other market activity which has happened coincidental to the Affordable Care Act, we're seeing very dramatic changes in the way the US market operates in terms of the vertical consolidation from payer through to provider and through the horizontal consolidation of sectors, most notably with the insurance sector.

  • That is having very significant but admittedly patchy impacts on the procurement environment that we deal with in the United States.

  • And obviously, that hit us last year; it hit diabetes.

  • You know better than me what some of the big payers are saying about where their next target areas to go are.

  • It's not obvious to me that there is any safe haven, and I think frankly it's overly optimistic to believe there is a safe haven in terms of areas coming under pricing pressure.

  • That analysis has very much driven the long-term strategy and the strategy over the last seven or eight years of GSK, to first of all renew its innovation and pharmaceutical portfolio because notwithstanding everything I've just said, we still believe the Pharma business is a higher margin opportunity than any of the other businesses.

  • Great business to be in but just perhaps not as great as it used to be.

  • So we need to renew that.

  • We need to make sure that within that renewal, we're a business with multiple products, not simply one product.

  • We need a lower cost environment to make that happen.

  • We need the cost per product to come down in R&D, all which we've delivered.

  • In addition to that, we conclude that there are other very, very important profit pools, sales opportunity pools, in a European, American, and more importantly global theater, where we can access significant returns at much lower average price points per pack, obviously the Consumer and the Vaccine business.

  • Those businesses have very strong links to the Pharma business but they offer an opportunity to create value and to create returns at average lower price than the Pharmaceutical business.

  • We think that's a sensible place to go given the macro pressure in the system.

  • That is why we are where we are today.

  • How we see the future going forward, it depends a little bit.

  • I mean, I think the reality is, and I've made no secret of this fact at all, it's only post the transaction that I believe that our three businesses of Vaccines, Consumer, and Pharmaceuticals are capable of building the scale to have potential optionality in the way you think about the business.

  • So and that, of course, only happens once we've completed the integration and created the right high-margin Consumer business, the right high-margin Vaccine, and the right high-margin Pharmaceutical business.

  • But once we've done that, I think it creates a lot of optionality for the group.

  • And frankly right now, with the amount of dynamic that's at play in the healthcare marketplace, I think it's unwise to make a call exactly on what your long-term deployment is.

  • Depends a lot on how the rest of this environmental story plays out, and of course it depends a lot on how our R&D pipeline plays out because that will have a very significant impact on how we view the Pharma business going forward.

  • Now, as we stand today on Pharma, it feels more and more encouraging and it looks more and more likely we're going to deliver at least that GBP6 billion from the products we launched in the last couple of years.

  • What you're seeing in the Phase II and Phase III pipeline is we have a very strong portfolio of assets which could then give us next the class of assets to drive that business on post 2018, 2019, 2020, and beyond.

  • All of that needs to really start to play through to inform exactly, I think, what the right next step, strategic move of the Company should be.

  • In the short run this year, we should be hyper-fixated on delivering the benefits of the integrations of Consumer and Vaccines, exiting as fast as possible the transitional service agreements with Novartis so that we can minimize our cost structure, maximize the speed and quality of the R&D delivery, and maximize the delivery of the supply chain benefits to our Vaccine and Pharmaceutical and Consumer businesses.

  • Those are the big focus points for us this year.

  • So far, so good, which is why you're seeing, I think, an on-track performance here but with some quite encouraging signals of the organic strength of the business.

  • Next question.

  • Operator

  • Andrew Baum, Citi.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi, it's Andrew Baum from Citi.

  • Three questions, please.

  • The first one --

  • - CEO

  • Andrew, could you speak up?

  • It's a bit hard to hear you.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, can you hear me okay now?

  • - CEO

  • Thank you.

  • - Analyst

  • The first one is, we've heard you speak before about GSK asking itself constantly what are the best owners for any individual asset.

  • And you've obviously done that with ViiV and more recently with your former oncology business.

  • The first question is, has the Novartis transaction opened the doors further to driving that process across the pipeline?

  • You've mentioned your plans to externalize your preterm labor drug.

  • Are other orphan drugs also up for alternative monetizations through spin or licensing, number one?

  • Number two, perhaps you could talk about your new oncology business?

  • Is GSK committed to taking all these products to market themselves through clinical development, or should we assume licensing at an earlier stage with a cash inflow?

  • And to what extent can this alleviate some of the balance sheet pressure and increase optionality?

  • And then finally, there is obviously -- you cite some issues in manufacturing, and I think there's also still in some in Consumer.

  • Could you just give me a summary of where we're at in terms of resolution of the manufacturing supply chain issues in both of those two areas?

  • Many thanks.

  • - CEO

  • Thanks, Andrew.

  • So on the supply, the vast majority, well really our supply issues are broadly behind us.

  • We have a small number of derm SKUs which are out of stock though they account for almost no sales.

  • It's a very minimal amount of sales.

  • It's on the margin in the emerging markets, essentially.

  • Those will be fully back to health by the end of this year, but it's frankly not a material number in the Company.

  • Supply is a tailwind for the Company this year rather than a headwind.

  • Our Consumer business has never had higher OTIF deliveries in either the Novartis or the GSK legacy businesses.

  • So both businesses had significant supply issues last year.

  • Both businesses have got very material increases.

  • In fact, to give you just a sense in Q2, supply was a 3% tailwind for the Consumer business in Q2.

  • So it gives you a kind of a sense of some energy that's flowing through there.

  • Where we do have some issues, as Simon rightly highlights, is we have a number of products where we are maxing out our current capacity.

  • So it's not a supply issue in terms of disruption; it's a maximum capacity, and we're waiting for new capacity to come on stream.

  • Those tend to be in areas like antibiotics.

  • They tend to be in one or two areas like Ventolin where we have enormous capacity.

  • But frankly, just give you an idea, in 2003, when Augmentin went off patent, we sold 400 tons of Augmentin.

  • I think last year we sold 1,200.

  • Similar story in Vaccines where the step increases in capacity come in, in reasonable, but they take a long time to come on stream.

  • We've got a number of vaccines where we are selling every dose we can.

  • Now, what we've done over the last year or so is more aggressively allocate those products to try and maximize the margin, which is one of the reasons why you've seen actually a more robust performance than you might expect inside the established product portfolio, where much of that is.

  • But I'd say overall, notwithstanding that we've got some products where we're waiting for new capacity to come on stream, supply as an issue, has gone -- last year it was an issue, this year it's not an issue, I would say, first of all.

  • Secondly, in terms of the choice of ownership of businesses, I mean, we will continue to consider that.

  • I would say there's nothing on the front burner at the moment in terms of blocks of business, Andrew, in the sense of the way we looked last year at Established Products and ViiV, obviously.

  • I would say it's certainly possible that there will be sporadic R&D assets which we conclude are better held by other people.

  • And if we can strike the right value proposition, then they may very well end up in somebody else's hands.

  • And if we can bring forward the value to GSK's shareholders quicker, then we will do that.

  • I would say that isn't being driven by any anxiety about the balance sheet because I'm not sat here dreaming I could acquire something.

  • Actually, if I look at what we're doing, I think we've got an awful lot.

  • If we can execute, we have an awful lot within our own Company perimeter to be able to drive growth going forward, as we laid out at the strategy day.

  • We've shown you even if there is a generic Advair, we believe we can deliver CAGR sales growth and a mid-single-digit earnings per share growth over that five-year period.

  • Now obviously, if the pipeline does better, all of those things then that will end up being hopefully a number we can exceed over time.

  • But it's very clear that we believe that within our portfolio, even if we have a generic Advair, we could still deliver that kind of performance.

  • That makes it less tempting for us to go pay incredibly high valuations for assets which inevitably always have some risk attached to them.

  • So we're not feeling that pressure from a balance sheet perspective, but we certainly feel that pressure from just the point of view.

  • If you have a product which sits somewhere outside of your established organizational structure, and it's a one-off and it has a large to go R&D cost, and if there's somebody else who's prepared to buy it out for a very substantial price, then of course we're going to look at that.

  • And from time to time, you'll see that, I'm sure.

  • As far as the oncology assets are concerned, you're going to see a lot about oncology assets on November 3. Some of them are in the report today; more you'll see on November 3. I think there are some extremely exciting programs here in the immuno-oncology space, as well as the epigenetic space.

  • The work we've got partnered with Adaptimmune is very interesting.

  • The OncoMed partnership, very interesting.

  • There's a lot going on in that space.

  • What are we going to do with those?

  • Well, the beauty is we've got every option in the world.

  • So we can go forward on our own if they're sufficiently strong and robust and we have enough of them.

  • First of all, and we did that before, of course, that's a scenario.

  • We could choose to divest them.

  • We could choose to partner with Novartis.

  • So we have no -- we're not bound to do anything, but we have all the options, and I think we will take whichever option we believe generates the absolute maximum value for the Company.

  • The good news is that we have a lot.

  • I think you'll see a very interesting portfolio of oncology assets coming through.

  • And having missed the kind of current wave, I'm very pleased were going to be able to participate in the next wave.

  • Next question.

  • Operator

  • Alexandra Hauber, UBS.

  • - Analyst

  • Good afternoon.

  • Thank you for taking my questions.

  • Just two simple questions.

  • On the cost line, the COGS of 30.2% were better than in the first quarter at 30.7% despite the negative mix effect you had from the transaction.

  • So I was just wondering whether there were any special effects that really benefited COGS this quarter, or whether this is sort of the below 31% rate is really the run rate for the Company?

  • And also on R&D, that actually declined sequentially.

  • Is that just phasing of studies, or is R&D spend of the new co lower than what you had previously?

  • And then another question on -- the last question on Advair.

  • You have reported now for the first time a 2% volume decline in the US, but IMS scripts is suggesting that number is closer to 5% or 6%.

  • Can you perhaps explain the discrepancy between your number and the IMS numbers?

  • And also, do you have already any feel whether you will be able to retain the exclusive status with CVS Caremark?

  • And whether you -- are you in a position to give us any idea whether next year's Advair price decline will be again double digit or more like single digit more normalizing?

  • - CEO

  • Okay, Alexandra.

  • I'm going to ask Simon to cover off the COGS.

  • I think R&D -- you should expect R&D to be lower, and that is a consequence of the exit of the oncology R&D cost base.

  • And you will see, as we roll through the rest of the year, the benefit of further restructuring of the R&D organization.

  • I've indicated that numerous times, that people, I think, are underestimating our ability to deliver.

  • Frankly we're delivering more experiments than we've ever done in the history of the Company.

  • We've got more products in the clinic than we've had, and we can do it by spending less, and I think you will continue to see that flow through.

  • So that's absolutely right.

  • In terms of Advair pricing, I'm not going to make a specific comment on a specific contract, but suffice to say, our visibility for next year is pretty good.

  • We feel pretty robust around our plans for next year.

  • I would expect to see some continued Advair price for next year, but I wouldn't expect it to be in the same rate as we've seen this year.

  • And, more importantly, I do expect both US Respiratory total and Global Respiratory total to grow again next year.

  • So because not least because of a less price pressure in the US than we saw this year and because of the new products flowing through.

  • In the IMS data, a couple of things to say.

  • First of all, you may or may not know, but IMS have just restated their NBRx database, which actually bumped Advair up quite a lot.

  • I'm not quite sure why they had to do that, but they did.

  • And secondly, the IMS TRx data that you're looking at excludes the Department of Defense contract which GSK holds, and it represents about 3% of the scripts.

  • So I'm guessing that the delta is largely the -- it sounds exactly like the delta between your number and the rest.

  • So with that, I'll hand over to Simon on the CGS.

  • - CFO

  • Okay, thanks, Alexander.

  • On COGS, the quarter did benefit from a favorable mix, as I highlighted in my comments earlier, with ViiV accelerating very rapidly during the course of the quarter and some phasing of some of the lower margin parts of the business to the second half.

  • So that basically neutralized itself leaving the benefits from the Pharma restructuring program to flow through in the SG&A and R&D lines.

  • So that's why COGS is broadly flat quarter on last year.

  • But I think overall for the year, it's probably above the trend.

  • - CEO

  • Great.

  • Thanks, Simon.

  • Next question.

  • Operator

  • Tim Anderson, Bernstein.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • I have one simple question and a little more complex question.

  • The simple one is, on the SUMMIT trial, I think we're supposed to see results soon.

  • Are we likely to see that as a top-line release first, and can you narrow down the timing of seeing a potential top-line release?

  • And do you think that realistically makes a big difference with the Breo outlook?

  • My second question is, kind of going back to your commentary when you describe optionality in the future for Glaxo.

  • Investors occasionally raise the theoretical possibility that Glaxo could be combined with another big company.

  • You also continue to paint a picture of difficult fundamentals, at least on the drug side, which could be a reason to join forces.

  • I'm hoping you can give us your perspective here.

  • Would Glaxo ever realistically consider pairing up with another company in a major way?

  • Are you happy with the current structure and the long-term outlook?

  • Plus, are you highly likely to remain an independent company?

  • - CEO

  • Tim, thanks very much.

  • So as far as SUMMIT's concerned, there will be a release on SUMMIT, and if I were you, I'd expect it somewhere in the September, October timeframe.

  • I can't give you the precise -- any more precise than that, but you should anticipate it somewhere in that kind of time frame.

  • I personally believe it would be inappropriate for people to view this as anything other than a Breo phenomenon.

  • I mean, it may well be that other drugs could demonstrate the same thing, but nobody else has been able to do that so far.

  • The trial has been designed, I think, in a very thoughtful way in terms of thinking about patients with COPD and cardiovascular risk.

  • I think certainly when you talk to physicians who are involved in the space, particularly actually the cardio physicians in the space, I think they would not take the view that there is class -- there's a reason to believe a class effect.

  • So I, and of course if it's positive, and I don't know yet whether it is or is not positive, but if it's positive, we will be moving forward to gain a claim on our file.

  • And we will be making it a very central part of the profile of Breo, and I think it will be a very defining point.

  • And the reality is, let's be honest, if we get this claim, only we can promote it, and anybody else who wants to say their product has the same attribute, A, has no data, and B, it would be illegal for them to promote and make that claim.

  • And I think also from a payer physician point of view, if you want to then give your patient a product with the claim, you have to give them Breo.

  • So I don't buy this story that this isn't worth anything.

  • I think the hiff, the pharmaceutical industry is absolutely full of examples of products which in a class, which have been able to generate claims which are differentiated.

  • They may or may not have been copyable, but they weren't, and as a consequence, they really differentiated the product.

  • In terms of the Company, obviously we're a product of mergers, and we've been through these things before, and we're in the middle of a significant integration in two of our biggest divisions.

  • We feel very, very good about the capability of the Company to deal with the environment that we're engaged in.

  • I mean, I completely accept that I have a different view or at least I've elucidated a different view to perhaps some other people.

  • I think we saw even last week that the pure play strategies aren't necessarily immune from their own setbacks, and R&D is a risky business in the pharmaceutical business.

  • And sooner or later, things do go wrong in R&D, and therefore, having businesses which are totally reliant on that, we've seen over years to be quite challenging.

  • We also think that having exposure to the broad drivers of returns, which means good price but not wholly dependent on price, and good exposure to volume is a great way to drive returns over the long run.

  • And we think in very much in step with where the direction of the environment is moving us.

  • The extent to which then you want to complicate or to create even greater company scale than the scale we have today is a big -- that's a big question, right?

  • That's a big issue to cross, and I'd say it has a very high pain threshold, not because you can't read a banker's book and imagine all sorts of synergies and everything else, but just the scale of the company, the complexity of the company, all of those very practical realities of how you actually run a business of that kind of scale when you're already dealing with corporations which are very, very large.

  • So I think the threshold of that next step is very big.

  • I would hypothecate, Tim, at least to some extent, what we're seeing at the moment is M&A in the sector, largely driven, I think, for the same analysis that we've elucidated, which people can -- everybody can feel the pressure in the system.

  • People are trying to acquire assets or they're trying to acquire businesses to give themselves synergy pools or growth opportunities to ready themselves for the threats which are emerging around us.

  • But they're doing it in, let's call it, the easy M&A space.

  • So as long as you have a checkbook, you can buy the small companies, you can buy the biotechs, you can buy the midcaps, and you can leverage the cheap money to acquire it.

  • What we haven't seen so far is the big to big transactions, I think for some of the reasons I've just outlined, which is that they are -- they have a very high pain threshold, they're not easy to pull off, and they bring with them a fair amount of risk.

  • So where we net out on all this is, at least for now, we've just done one of the biggest transactions, one of the most complicated transactions to pull off.

  • It gives us a tremendous chance to build up global leadership in Vaccine and Consumer without massively distracting our Pharma business, which focus on R&D launches.

  • We think we should be really fixated and focused on that.

  • Next question.

  • Operator

  • Richard Parkes, Deutsche Bank.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my questions.

  • Just got a couple.

  • Firstly, I just wondered ahead of the mepolizumab launch whether you've had much interaction with payers?

  • Obviously, payer restrictions limit use of Xolair in many markets, and I'm thinking in Europe in particular.

  • I wondered if you thought you could be more successful and how you might be thinking around factoring in eosinophil cut-off levels into the pricing discussions in your decisions there?

  • And then secondly, I know that you talked about the investor day changes in the sales force structure supporting Anoro and Breo.

  • I think you were moving to two separate sales forces there, and I'm just wondering what the reception to that has been.

  • I don't know whether it's too early yet, but just if there's any feedback there.

  • - CEO

  • Yes, thanks a lot, Richard.

  • So as far as mepo, yes, we have had engagement with pricing authorities where we're able to.

  • I think we feel pretty good here because the profile of the drug is very strong.

  • We've got quite a lot of room for maneuver because as you probably know, Xolair is dosed on per kg basis.

  • And so actually, and this is particularly true in the US, some of the prices per patient are very significant because of the varying weights of the patients involved, Mepo is not.

  • Mepo is a same dose for everybody.

  • That gives us very, I think, significant opportunity to capture a great value proposition against the backdrop of what already exists, first of all.

  • Secondly, I'd encourage you to look at the success we've had in getting Breo and increasing Anoro covered in Europe.

  • And I think we're really seeing some tremendous, rapid access for Breo in places like Italy and Spain, normally very difficult.

  • We've also just got it in France, normally very, very difficult.

  • And I think that shows that we're able to crack that problem pretty well.

  • So I'm not particularly -- I'm not super anxious about that, actually.

  • As far as the shift in sales force, yes, I think we've seen some early benefit.

  • First of all, our sales force is telling us things are much better and much more motivated.

  • We've seen a very substantial step up in the NBRx shares of Breo since we made the change, so it's gone up by about 30%, 35% in the last 8 weeks to 10 weeks.

  • So we're now seeing NBRx shares up in the 9%, 10% territory.

  • Actually, for pulmonologists, we're up in nearly 20%.

  • You would expect that the NBRx shares would translate to NRx and then TRx shares over about an 18-month period.

  • Remember, NBRx focuses just on the dynamic segment.

  • It takes about 14 months to 18 months in Respiratory for the dynamic segment to reflect in the NRx share.

  • So actually, we've seen a big jump in NBRx for Breo.

  • Anoro less so, but actually we've only just deployed the increase in share of voice.

  • And that, as I said earlier on the call, has just happened.

  • So we'd like to see a bit more there.

  • In Europe, we're seeing very strong performance of Breo.

  • Slow start for Anoro, but for exactly the same reasons that I think I addressed when I answered Graham's question at the beginning of the call.

  • Next question.

  • Operator

  • Matthew Weston, Credit Suisse.

  • - Analyst

  • Two questions left, please.

  • The first is on your experience with Anoro and the fact that you've been struggling to persuade clinicians to take patients off Spiriva.

  • Doesn't that raise a significant risk when you move to the closed triple that you're going to experience a similar reticence and therefore very low adoption of that project?

  • And then secondly, I've seen it reported that you'll move rilpivirine plus cabotegravir in a long-acting formulation into Phase III.

  • Can you confirm that, and can you confirm what the commercial relationship is between ViiV and J&J with that development program?

  • And actually, I'll sneak in a third, a follow-on to the reference to the US selling infrastructure.

  • Can you let us know whether now, with the change in leadership in the US, there's been any reevaluation of the actual selling strategy rather than just redirecting headcount and whether or not you were perhaps overzealous in interpreting the CIA previously and now relaxed your approaches?

  • - CEO

  • So on the last one, we haven't relaxed our approaches.

  • We have simplified the way we measure the sales force.

  • So and this is -- honestly, I've think there's an awful lot of ill-informed amateur comment on what we do or don't do in the US, if I may say so, Matthew.

  • We have seen no evidence that the shift in the way -- fundamental shift in what we did in the US, which I'll remind you we volunteered to do before the CIA, and we would sustain even when the CIA finishes, that we don't believe has caused us any problems.

  • The sales force has give us strong feedback that they appreciate that.

  • We get tremendous feedback from physicians on it, as we are doing, as we roll out the same culture across the rest of the world.

  • Where we did, I think, have an issue in the US, Matthew, is that around that, there was a supplementary measurement system put in place to try and ensure we had good measurement of sales representatives, that we were monitoring the right things.

  • That was cumbersome, frankly, and it was getting in the way, and we have streamlined that.

  • That has made a big difference.

  • So it's nothing to do with what you think it's to do with.

  • It's to do with the unnecessary clunkiness.

  • Now, a couple of things I'll tell you.

  • First of all, we're seeing a very, very dramatic and positive jump up in morale of our US sales force, really substantial.

  • We're seeing a great level of commitment from that team, and we're seeing the shares start to move, as I've just said, Breo most notably.

  • But I don't think it's worth missing that we're generating a Tanzeum share close to Trulicity when in fact you've got Lilly as kind of one of the two diabetes powerhouses.

  • And yet here we are with Tanzeum basically going neck to neck with them in terms of the performance.

  • On that one, I'm really not too concerned about that.

  • In terms of the dolutegravir/rilpivirine, it is in Phase III, but not cabotegravir.

  • So it's a dolutegravir combination program that's already in Phase III.

  • The cabotegravir program is in Phase II.

  • And of course, we have a relationship with J&J, but I'm not going to go into the details of that.

  • Next question, please.

  • Operator

  • Nicolas Guyon, Morgan Stanley.

  • - Analyst

  • Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions.

  • I have two quick ones, please.

  • The first one is on US Advair generics.

  • The latest of data on the ClinicalTrials.gov still mentions June 2015 for the completion of the bioequivalence trial on the [kid] by Mylan.

  • So based on your competitivity regions, do you have any reason to believe that it may or may not be delayed?

  • Any thoughts on this would be great.

  • And the second is just a currency-related question.

  • I think you mentioned that you expect 6% negative FX impact on EPS for the full year.

  • So is that correct?

  • And does that mean that your guidance of high teens EPS declined then translated to low 20% EPS decline reported?

  • Thank you.

  • - CFO

  • So on the currency, yes, the release does says 6% is our current estimate if rates at the end of the quarter maintain for the balance of the year.

  • Clearly, we can't predict currencies and how they will actually perform, so that's why we give our guidance in constant-currency terms.

  • And I'll leave you to take a view as to what adjustment we make over the period, but that's the current assumption.

  • - CEO

  • And I have no special insight other than what some of the generic companies have been saying at conferences.

  • I think the most recent one I saw was a May comment where the company involved was talking about a potential filing at the end of this year or the beginning of 2016.

  • What we know is typically generic files take 18 months or so to review, depends how complex or simple they are.

  • The complex ones take longer than that; the simple ones sometimes go a bit quicker.

  • I don't know whether you take a view on this being a simple or a complex one.

  • And we also know that every other generic so far has failed.

  • So that's what we know.

  • Now, we can't guarantee that this will fail; we can't guarantee there won't be generic, and that's why we've given you guidance medium term, shape of the business incorporating an assumption for generic Advair in the US.

  • And even with the generic Advair in the US, we believe that the business as currently configured post the transaction with the pipeline that we've launched can deliver the numbers in the shape we showed you on the May 6 date.

  • And Q2 shows we're absolutely on track for delivery of that.

  • I'm afraid we are out of time so with that, I'd like to thank everybody for their questions, and of course, the IR team is available at GSK for you to follow up.

  • And for those who couldn't get to the question, I apologize and please do give the team here a call.

  • Thanks very much.

  • Operator

  • This does conclude your conference call for today.

  • You may now disconnect.

  • Thank you for joining and have a very good day.