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  • Operator

  • Greetings and welcome to the Gulfport Energy Corporation first quarter 2025 earnings call.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Jessica Ansell.

  • Thank you. You may begin.

  • Jessica Ansell - Vice President

  • Thank you and good morning. Welcome to Gulfport Energy Corporation's first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. I'm Jessica Ansell, Vice President of Investor Relations. Today's speakers include John Reinhart President and CEO, Michael Hodges, Executive Vice President and CFO, and in addition, we have Matthew Rucker, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, will be available for the Q&A portion of today's call.

  • I would like to remind everybody that during this conference call, the participants may make certain forward-looking statements relating to the company's financial condition, results of operations, plans, objectives, future performance, and fitness. We caution you that the actual results could differ materially from those that are indicated in these forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors. Information concerning these factors can be found in the company's filings with the FEC. In addition, we may reference non-gap measures. Reconciliation to the comparable GAAP measures will be posted on our website. An updated Gulfport presentation was posted yesterday evening to the website in conjunction with the earnings announcement. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to John Reinhart, President and CEO.

  • John Reinhart - Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thank you, Jessica, and thank you for joining our call today. Gulfport began in 2025 with strong momentum, delivering first quarter results that exceeded internal expectations. The company realized a $0.45 per Mcfe premium to NIEX Henry Hub on a natural gas price equivalent basis opportunistically repurchased 60 million of Gulfport Common shares at attractive prices amid market volatility, highlighted corporate planning flexibility with a shift in second half 2025 capital allocation towards natural gas drilling. And reaffirm the company's full year guidance driven primarily by a forecasted 20% growth in our natural gas volumes by the fourth quarter of 2025.

  • The success of the marketing, operational, and planning teams positions the company attractively throughout the year and end to year end, aligning well with a constructive natural gas outlook for 2026. Our priorities remain cantered on maintaining an attractive balance sheet, generating significant free cash flow, executing a robust shareholder return program, enhancing operational efficiencies, and advancing our development program to support production growth throughout the year.

  • Moving to our first quarter results, our average daily production totalled $929 million cubic feet equivalent per day, aligning with company expectations and keeping us on track to deliver our previously stated full year production guidance of $1.04billion to $1.065 billion cubic feet equivalent per day and are positioned favourably for meaningful natural gas production growth in the upcoming quarters.

  • The company remains committed to developing our assets in a responsible manner and allocating capital to the highest value opportunities. Given the current commodity environment, as you will see from the investor deck on slide 11, we have updated our drilling plan to include a 4-well dry gas Utica pad during 2025 and deferred a 4-well Marcellus pad to 2026.

  • These planning optimizations highlight the company's flexibility to be dynamically responsive to market conditions in order to maximize shareholder value and inclusive of these changes, we are reaffirming our full year operated drilling and completion capital guidance of $335 million to $355 million.

  • On the land front through March 31, 2025, we have invested roughly $11 million on maintenance lease sold and land investment focused on bolstering our near-term drilling programs with increases of working interest and lateral footage in units we plan to drill near term.

  • While we do not have any discretionary acreage acquisition spend during the first quarter, we continue to assess the landscape and remain optimistic about the opportunities to meaningfully increase our leasehold footprint to enhance resource death and believe these opportunities rank very high as we evaluate uses of free cash flow in 2025.

  • Operationally in Ohio during the first quarter, the company completed drilling on 13 gross wells, 7 targeting Ohio Utica, 4 targeting Ohio Marcellus, and 2 in the scoop targeting the Woodford. We entered the year with 3 operated rigs running and as planned, released the scoop drilling rig in mid-February and released the 2nd Ohio drilling rig just last week.

  • We currently have one rig running in Ohio and anticipate this drilling cadence to continue for the remainder of 2025. On the completion front, we brought online 7 gross Utica wells in March, including 3 Utica dry gas wells and 4 Utica condensate wells which represent our cage development in southwest Harrison County that are highlighted on slide 12 of the investor presentation.

  • Located further west in the condensate window relative to the lake 7 pad, the cage is performing exceptionally well and delivering early production rates nearly double those of the nearby highly productive Lake 7 pad. This outperformance reflects continued optimization and completion and facility designs, as well as a revised managed pressure flowback strategy.

  • Taking our learnings from the lake 7 pad, we refined the stimulation procedures and redesigned the cage facilities to accommodate higher flow rates, and during the initial flowback, we have increased production volumes to take advantage of strong reservoir productivity and higher liquids yields being observed. These early results in combination with the continued strong performance of the Lake 7 development. Reinforce the perspective nature of this acreage and development optionality that it possesses.

  • Specific to our Marcellus activity, we continue to be very encouraged by our Hender shop pad results. The company's first operated Marcellus wells on our stacked pay acreage in Belmont County, Ohio that were turned to sales in November 2023.

  • Following roughly a year and a half of production history, our forecasted oil EURs per foot of lateral place these two wells in the Top 5% of all Marcellus oil wells drilled to date.

  • We are excited to transition to development mode in the Marcellus during 2025. The company completed drilling the {fourwe Yankee} pad during the first quarter and recently finished stimulation operations on the pad and planned to bring these wells online late in the second quarter.

  • Lastly, as noted in our opening comments, the team's continuous focus on operational improvements led to several new execution records. On the drilling side in the Utica, we experienced a 28% improvement over full year 2024 in footage drilled per day.

  • The company's average spud to rig release days also decreased by over 30% when compared to full year 2024, which included records of 13.7 days spud to rig release for a 15,000 ft uticilateral and 15.1 days spud to rig release on uttical later lateral reaching over 20,000 ft.

  • On the completion side and subsequent to the quarter, our Utica frac provider set 2 new company records for continuous pumping performance in the Northeast, both of which were on Gulfport operated pads. On the recently completed Marcellus pad, the teams achieved 97.5 continuous pumping hours, completing 69 stages, placing over $23 million pounds of sand, and pumping roughly 490,000 barrels of water in that time period.

  • At the same time, a 2nd fleet achieved over 105 continuous pumping hours on a Gulfport Utica dry gas pad, completing 63 stages while placing over $21 million pounds of sand. Both of these milestones significantly surpassed their previous records and highlight the strong collaboration and alignment with our vendors to make these results possible.

  • In closing, we experienced a strong quarter of execution and are well positioned to continue delivering on our financial and strategic objectives for 2025. The reallocation of activity to more dry gas development and strong natural gas growth throughout the year will position the company to capitalize on the strengthening commodity environment as we enter 2026, ultimately improving free cash flow generation and further allowing us to continue to prioritize returning capital to shareholders.

  • Now I will turn the call over to Michael to discuss our financial results.

  • Michael Hodges - Chief Financial Officer

  • Thank you, John, good morning, everyone. Our first quarter financial performance highlights a strong start to the year with results ahead of company expectations and the operational momentum that John described positioning us well for the remainder of 2025.

  • Net cash provided by operating activities before changes in working capital totalled approximately $207 million during the first quarter, more than funding our capital expenditures despite a capital program that is roughly 75% weighted to the first half of 2025.

  • We reported an adjusted EBITA of approximately $218 million during the quarter and generated adjusted free cash flow of $36.6 million for the same period. Bolstered by our strong realized pricing and GAAP differentials better than analysts and company expectations.

  • Cash operating costs for the first quarter totalled $1.31 per million cubic feet equivalent in line with the company expectations and an expected quarterly high point for Gulfport as we anticipate declines moving forward with our production cadence expected to accelerate throughout 2025, the fixed charges embedded in our operating costs are expected to decline on a per unit basis over the course of the year and land within the range of our full year guidance.

  • Similar to previous years and consistent with our internal expectations, our first quarter operating costs were impacted by winter weather operations that led to slightly higher per unit costs early in the year than in other periods. For the full year of 2025, we are reaffirming our per unit operating cost guidance, which includes LOE, midstream, and taxes other than income of $1.20 to $1.29 per Mcfe.

  • Our all-in realized price for the first quarter was $4.11 per Mcfe before the impact of cash settled derivatives. This realized unit price is $0.45 or 12% above the NIEX Henry Hub index price, highlighting the benefit of Gulfport's diverse marketing portfolio for natural gas and the pricing uplift from our liquids portfolio in both of our asset areas.

  • As you are likely aware, winter weather this year delivered daily pricing during periods of peak demand that was above what would otherwise be expected. As a result, our natural gas price differential before hedges was an $0.08 per Mcf premium to the average daily NIEX settled price during the quarter, ahead of analysts' consensus expectations and meaningfully better than even the narrow end of our full year guidance range.

  • Turning to the balance sheet, our financial position remains strong, with trailing 12 months net leverage, exiting the quarter at approximately 0.9 times, down from the prior quarter and benefiting from the increasing cash flow our business has delivered over the past year.

  • As of March 30th, 2025, our liquidity totalled $90 million comprised of $5.3 million of cash plus $901.1 million of borrowing base availability. We recently completed our spring borrowing-based redetermination and our lenders unanimously reaffirmed our borrowing base of $1.1 billion with the elected lender commitments remaining at $1 billion.

  • Our liquidity today is more than sufficient to fund any development needs we might have for the foreseeable future and provides tremendous flexibility from a financial perspective going forward. With respect to Ibadan adjusted free cash flow generation, the rising natural gas curve over the next 12 months, along with our continuous operational improvements, positioned 2025 to be a transformative year for Gulfport from a cash flow perspective.

  • Based on current strict pricing, we forecast our adjusted free cash flow to grow significantly over the coming quarters, which should further strengthen our already top tier free cash flow yield relative to our natural gas peers.

  • We continue to view share repurchases as a compelling capital allocation opportunity, and during the first quarter we repurchased 341,000 shares of common stock for approximately $60 million and since the inception of the program, we have repurchased approximately $5.9 million shares of our common stock at an average price of $108.99 lowering our share account by approximately 17% at a weighted average price that is 40% below our current share price.

  • As of March 31, we had approximately $356 million available under our $1 billion share repurchase program and remained steadfast in our free cash flow allocation framework as we plan to return substantially all of our adjusted free cash flow, excluding discretionary acreage acquisitions to our shareholders through common stock repurchases.

  • We believe our committed approach to share repurchases over the past few years has delivered tremendous value to our shareholders, and we will remain opportunistic rather than programmatic, allowing us to allocate capital dynamically when we believe the current valuation does not reflect the strength of our underlying fundamentals and as such, repurchasing shares at current levels represents a highly attractive use of capital.

  • In summary, this year's development program is off to a solid start as we execute on what we believe will be a pivotal year for the company with regard to free cash flow generation. We continue to succeed operationally on all fronts, prudently allocating capital the highest value opportunities and returning a significant portion of our adjusted free cash flow to shareholders through our common share repurchase program. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator to open up the call for questions.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Operator

  • Tim residents, eBay Capital Markets Inc.

  • Tim residents - Analyst

  • Good morning folks, and thank you for taking our questions. I want to follow first, John, you have this front end loaded capital program that you've run a couple of years, and when you look at kind of the first quarter results, is there any kind of regret that maybe this big sequential decline in production impacted your ability to take advantage of the strongest quarter of the year in terms of demand and pricing and kind of how committed are you to this sort of front end loaded program going forward?

  • John Reinhart - Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Hey Tim, I appreciate the question and thanks for being on the call. What I'll tell you is we look for development cadence throughout the year. We're very sensitive to the commodity environments and certainly having the hindsight of seeing where prices were, certainly dictates what the company and how we would allocate capital. I'll tell you that in the first quarter the volumes were planned to be lower.

  • This was just a cadence, to your point, from a Turn and line shortage in Q4, I think moving forward as we look at the mix, the well mix between dry gas, which has a lot more stable production level with regards to flat production profile versus the liquids, we'll certainly take that into account and the shift towards the dry gas in and of itself will actually work to accelerate cash flows for the company.

  • So I don't and say I would regret cap front loaded capital program. We've used this for the past two years. I think what would happened this year was in particular a shift towards liquids in the shorter plateau period had the production levels fall off, a little bit more aggressively versus dry gas, but moving forward with the shift in dry gas, I think we'll be mindful of the program and ensure that we capitalize on volumes in the peak seasons for pricing. So hopefully that answers your question.

  • Tim residents - Analyst

  • Yeah, that's good context with the liquids well. So, thanks for that. And then as my follow up, you reminded us in your prepared comments, John, that you haven't budgeted for discretionary acreage, but you see opportunities.

  • Typically CEOs don't state that by accident in their comments. So, can you talk? Maybe a bit about what you're seeing on the dry gas or wet gas side of things and how is that market, obviously the oil markets see quite a bit of volatility and A&D is probably stuck in the mud. So can you talk about what you're seeing on that on the wet gas side and what gives you optimism that you may have an opportunity in front of you. Thank you.

  • John Reinhart - Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Yeah, I appreciate the question. Yeah, I think first of all, the company is in a really fortunate position this year to have a fairly robust free cash flow profile, and as we noted, we're going to continue the same framework, moving forward into this year as we have the last two years prioritizing shareholder returns and reinvesting in the company, to your point with the discretionary acquisitions.

  • As we look through the landscape in Ohio, I will tell you that the teams are currently assessing what we're very picky about, where we're focusing. It's very much related to economics and what's going to deliver the highest cash flows because simply put, whenever we go out historically over the past Years and made these acquisitions, we put the bit to it and developed it within 1.5 to 2 years.

  • That really does impact your returns. So, as we look at the landscape, we Favor right now the dry gas and the wet gas areas. You can look at the slide in our investor deck that highlights the returns in these areas and that'll kind of lead you to why we're focusing in those areas.

  • We're not seeing a major appreciation in price out there, just I think with the market volatility, it's been relatively flat and I would also not roll out any kind of investment pickups in the condensate window. What I will tell you though. Is they have to be extremely attractive price to be able to warrant, our capital allocation and a discretionary program. So, we're pretty excited about the opportunities that are out there. We continuously assess and throughout the year we'll have more updates on the progress that the land teams will achieve.

  • Tim residents - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • John Reinhart - Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thanks.

  • Operator

  • Zach Parham, JP Morgan.

  • Zach Parham - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my question. First, could you just talk a little bit more about the cage pad, maybe what's driving the outperformance of the cage, development versus the lake pad? Is it something in well-designed or frac design? Is it geology or facilities that you have in place? Just would like to get a little more colour there on the outperformance.

  • Matthew Rucker - Senior Vice President - Operations

  • Yeah, thanks Zach. This is Matt. I'll take that one. We took that lake pad, the teams did a really good job kind of dissecting the outcome of that pad. I think a couple of things go into play there for us, really around frac design, kind of right sizing, the fracture around, proper sand loading, water loading, as well as just what we consider to be a really effective kind of cluster spacing design on that pad.

  • As well as with, we talked last time about kind of our testing of, going a little more aggressive on that lake after a period of choke management, to assess those results. I'd tell you through those results we kind of got a better understanding of the reservoir, as well as just what it would take from the facility standpoint to be able to flow at higher rates. So all of those things kind of were put together here on this pad, with a really good efficient development.

  • We've been very pleased with the first 30 days results here still early, but very strong results, minimal drawdown, and it speaks for itself around the IP 30 there. So very good result from the teams there and certainly something we think we can take and apply forward to the rest of our inventory out there when we when we get to it.

  • Zach Parham - Analyst

  • Thanks for that. I also wanted to ask on the shift in activity, shifting a little bit of activity in the second half of the year towards dry gas versus wet gas. I know it's early, but how are you thinking about 2026? Could you be looking to grow gas a little bit next year? Your 4Q implied gas rate is just over a BCF today. If you held that flat next year, that'd be, 5% or 6% growth, just looking for some early thoughts on how you're thinking about 2026.

  • John Reinhart - Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Yeah, Zach, I appreciate the question. I mean, to your point on the 25 schedule, what we really wanted to do was highlight the team's flexibility here and as we look at these wells that we'll be drilling and not turned to sales.

  • We feel like it was a very prudent shift towards natural gas by pushing out the Marcellus pad into 26 and prioritizing the four well dry gas pad. We won't be providing guidance on 26, I think, to your question. But what I will tell you is that we certainly are looking at the macro environment on the oil side, the supply demand, its impact on price, and gas is setting up extremely constructively, which kind of shifts us towards a more weighted wet gas kind of dry gas program for 26.

  • So more to come whenever we come to the end of the year for specific details, but what I will tell you is we like how the macro is shaping up for the gas weighted areas in our portfolio, and this shift in the second half of 2025 with the drilling should give you an idea of how we're thinking about 26 early on.

  • Zach Parham - Analyst

  • Thanks, John.

  • Operator

  • Noah Hungness, Bank of America.

  • Noah Hungness - Analyst

  • Morning everyone. For my first question here, I want to hear drilling efficiencies seem to continue to improve, and I was wondering if the cutting edge drill times and track efficiencies are contemplated in the current 25 CapEx guidance.

  • Matthew Rucker - Senior Vice President - Operations

  • Yeah, no, this is Matt, you're right, I think the teams have continuously pushed to do more there, I never cease to amaze with the results that they can churn out, on the drilling side and both the frac side, we, I would say we've got modelled in kind of the average efficiencies that we've been seeing, over the last call it 12 months.

  • Anything above and beyond that certainly would be a benefit to us and so those aren't we don't continuously upgrade those throughout the calendar year, but you know based on where we're at today, I think just reaffirming the capital guide with the activity we have is where we are. So but a lot of upside there I think for the guys specifically on the drilling side we continue to make larger chunks of gain there and really excited about what that team can deliver for us.

  • Sounds good and then for and then last month there was the Borealis pipeline expansion open season, and I was just wondering, is this something that, Gulfport would be interested in signing up for how does Gulfport view kind of sign up for any additional FT out of basement?

  • Michael Hodges - Chief Financial Officer

  • Yeah, hey, this is Michael. That's a great question actually, we are familiar with the project, and we assess any projects like that on a net back basis, right? So, the way we think about those things is, where does that GAAP go? What's the cost to get to that location and what kind of a sales price. Could we expect if we were to sign up for something like that? So, I won't comment specifically on that project, but we'll tell you that we're always looking for projects where we believe we can improve our net backs.

  • We do have the fortunate position of having uncommitted volumes. So again, I think that's an advantage here at Gulfport that we can. Take on, what I would consider premium opportunities if they fit in our portfolio versus a competitor that perhaps doesn't have that flexibility. So yeah, I would just tell you that we look at all that stuff. We our marketing team has done a really excellent job here in the first quarter on our differentials, and I think to the extent we find projects like that that makes sense, then you'll see us likely be involved.

  • Noah Hungness - Analyst

  • Great caller. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Gabe Dowd, TD Cowen

  • Gabe Dowd - Analyst

  • Thanks. Hey, morning, everyone. I was hoping you could maybe just ask on Utica DNC per foot, given some of the efficiencies you've highlighted, targeting less than 900 a foot for 2025. Is that a level that you're currently at today or are you progressing towards that level? I'm just curious again, given the efficiency just continue to screen off the charts if there's some more downside potential to that number.

  • Matthew Rucker - Senior Vice President - Operations

  • Yeah, Gabe, thanks for the question. Matt. Certainly that's something we're hitting today as we kind of rolled out the budget and the capital guide there, those numbers that you highlighted there were part of that plan as we've delivered on some of these efficiencies on some select pads here, we are, seeing those costs drive a little bit lower.

  • So if we can sustain that and continue to improve there, obviously there's continuous downside to those pro well costs, but currently achieving that have been for the year and that's kind of what's rolling into the reaffirmed capital guide.

  • Gabe Dowd - Analyst

  • Got it. Okay, thanks, that's helpful. And then, maybe just a follow up going back to Tim's question, John, just around land purchases and A&D generally would love maybe your thoughts on larger scale M&A in the basin and how maybe Gulfport fits into that. Thanks guys.

  • Matthew Rucker - Senior Vice President - Operations

  • I appreciate the question, Gabe. I think as opportunities arise and they come in, certainly multiple forms, we assess anything that would be potentially created to the shareholders. What I will tell you is that we certainly have a high bar with regards to return on capital, what that might look like based on the other uses of cash flow that we have in the company with share repurchases, with discretionary acreage spend. So we certainly remain open and we will assess any opportunities that would provide value fundamentally for the company and be accreted to our shareholders, but we do also have a pretty high bar that that we measure that against.

  • Gabe Dowd - Analyst

  • Thanks, {Sean}, very helpful.

  • Matthew Rucker - Senior Vice President - Operations

  • Thanks.

  • Operator

  • Carlos Escalante, Wolf Research.

  • Carlos Escalante - Analyst

  • Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking our question. I guess we would like to first ask about your dig in a little more about your decision to pivot into the dry gas Utica acreage, as opposed to drilling that Marcellus well towards the end of the year.

  • Our specific question is, what is the guiding principle under which you decide to make this this move, and if I can if I can elaborate a little more on that, what are the key commodity levels at which you believe for each of the relevant commodities that it's more favourable as you point out to bolster your economics and your free cash flow from one to the other.

  • Matthew Rucker - Senior Vice President - Operations

  • Yeah, it's a great question, Carlos. Thanks. I'll start by saying that's kind of a moving target for us as we look at efficiency gains, capital cost reductions, pricing, EURs and wealth productivity. That's a dynamic kind of scenario that we continuously assess and upgrade.

  • What I will tell you from a commodity price specific, we take a look at the next year, 2 years, we follow the macro and just right now as we look at the landscape, there's just a lot of potential volatility and downward pressure on the oil side.

  • I will reiterate though that these Marcellus condensate wells and these Utica condensate wells still perform exceptionally well economically. What I'll tell you is for us it's More of making sure that we're developing and maximizing the returns on the resources that we have in a company that drives how we kind of allocate capital and that shifted us to move towards our second Marcellus pad for this year, pushing it to 26 and prioritizing dry gas.

  • The macro is very favourable for gas in 26 throughout the end of this year and into next, and given the volatility in the other commodity environments, that was a prudent move we felt.

  • Carlos Escalante - Analyst

  • So just on that as my follow up, do you believe that with your recent pivot into a more liquid heavy strategy, notwithstanding you're still 11%, 12% of your total production, that your hedging strategy on gas changes, given that the mix is kind of a hedge to your gas production, does your hedging philosophy change with that incremental exposure to liquids or? Do you still, you have the same thoughts about that, around that, as you did before?

  • Michael Hodges - Chief Financial Officer

  • Yeah, hey Carlos, this is Michael. I'll take that one. I think our hedging strategy has remained relatively consistent. I mean, I think when you have the financial position that we have with a strong balance sheet and a low leverage, we're able to make hedging decisions, strategically, I would call it, as opposed to kind of reacting and trying to maybe protect downside.

  • So I think when you look at, especially what we've done here in the last quarter, for example, with some of our gas hedges trying to keep them upside in our collar positions. I think that's an indicator to John's point of the bullishness that we feel as you move forward on the gas side, I think when you look at us in liquids, I think, again that's an area we've grown in, but it's still a smaller part of our revenue stream and so, I don't think it really changes our strategy around liquid hedging. I think, hey, we'll protect some downside there where we see opportunities, but again we're still an 89% gas company. I think.

  • On, he mentioned in his comments we're still focused on gas at this point as we move into later in 25 and 26. So no real change in the overall strategy there, I think, we do feel like the macro, as John pointed out, sets up well next year and we're adapting the hedging approach to fit that strategy.

  • Carlos Escalante - Analyst

  • Great colour. Thank you guys.

  • Operator

  • Jacob Roberts, TVH.

  • Jacob Roberts - Analyst

  • Good morning. I wanted to circle back to the cage pad there. I was wondering if you guys foresee, this is the only activity you guys have planned there for the year, I believe. So I'm just wondering when you do get back to this area, how you're thinking about any potential well designed changes from here given the step up from the lake.

  • Had and then I was wondering if you guys had foreseen these types of results and if you if you didn't or would you have sent more activity here potentially or we should be looking for more activity in a better oil price environment.

  • Matthew Rucker - Senior Vice President - Operations

  • Yes, Jacob, this is Matt on the first one there as far as well designed changes, I think we're always consistently pad to pad in each of our type curve areas looking at tweaks we can make to improve, not only well performance but just, the economics, right, from a cost effectiveness standpoint, so. I think there's certainly things to take away from here. I would say very pleased with the subsurface results and the initial 30 days. There's still a lot of time left to go.

  • We've given ourselves some time here with the development schedules you mentioned, so we'll continue to assess kind of the overall recoveries of that pad and the well spacing and the frac designs and then, moving forward, I think what we, what we've seen is continuous improvement on the cost side that we can lean into a little bit more, which bolsters the economics. So both of those things I think we'll take those learnings from when we're ready to develop the next one, and I'll pass it on to John for kind of part two of that question.

  • John Reinhart - Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Yeah, I appreciate the question, Jake. I think even though we're not guiding the 26, we've talked a little bit about some of the shifts towards the wet and dry gaps. In late 25 drilling that will lead to some production impact in 206, to your point, I think we are going to be continuously focused on that wet and dry gas, but what I will tell you is the Marcellus and the condensate, especially at these rates and well productivity and its capital goes down, it's still an attractive option.

  • So I wouldn't rule out necessarily. We're going to have a diverse mix next year, but what I will tell you is just more specifically, we feel very comfortable leaning in considering the macro with dry gas and wet gas development with other areas of hydrocarbon maturities, put into the program, but certainly probably not something we're leaning into next year with regards to liquids.

  • Jacob Roberts - Analyst

  • Alright, thank you very much appreciate the time.

  • John Reinhart - Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Alright, thank you.

  • Operator

  • And we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back to John Reinhart for closing remarks.

  • John Reinhart - Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thank you, everybody, for taking the time to join our call today. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to our investor relations team. This concludes our call. Have a great day.

  • Operator

  • And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your line at this time.

  • Thank you for your participation. Have a great day.