Graco Inc (GGG) 2004 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, and welcome to the Third Quarter 2004 Earnings Conference Call for Graco, Inc. If you wish to access the replay for this call, you may do so by dialing 1-800-405-2236 within the United States or Canada. Dial-in number for international callers is 303-590-3000. Conference ID number is 11010661. Replay will be available through October 17, 2004.

At the request of the Company, we will open the conference up for question and answers after the presentation.

During this call, various remarks may be made by management about their expectations, plans, and prospects for the future. These remarks constitute forward-looking statements for the purpose of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated as a result of various risk factors, including those identified in the Exhibit 99 to the Company's 2003 Annual Report on [Re][ph] Form 10-K and its most recent 10-Q.

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I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Mark Sheahan, Vice President and Treasurer. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning, and welcome to everybody. This is Mark Sheahan, Vice President and Treasurer. I'm here with Dave Roberts. I'm going to start out just by reviewing some of the highlights of yesterday's press release, and then as Jeff indicated, we'll open up the call for your questions.

Overall, we're pleased to report another net sales increase in the quarter. Sales were up 11 percent, which is our 10th consecutive quarter of net sales growth and also our fifth consecutive quarter where all three of our divisions reported higher sales when compared to the same periods in the prior year.

The 11-percent sales growth was driven by a number of factors, including the growth of our Industrial/Automotive segment, which was up 18 percent in the quarter. Growth of our Lubrication segment, which was up 17 percent, growth in Contractor, which was up 5 percent, and then geographically, in Europe, sales were up 21 percent, and in the Asia-Pacific region, they were up 17 percent.

As we noted in the press release, about 2 percentage points of the corporate growth came from favorable currencies and about 6 percent of the net earnings growth also came from favorable currency translations. Similar results for the first nine months -- favorable currencies added about 2 percent to the sales line and about 6 percentage points to the net earnings line.

As we indicated in the past, the strong euro versus the dollar is the primary driver for this currency impact, and it's similar to what we've been experiencing now for several quarters. In fact, in the third quarter of '04, the average euro to dollar currency exchange rate was about $1.22 versus last year in the third quarter, the euro was worth about $1.12, $1.125 cents. So that's about an 8-percent strengthening of the euro year over year.

For references purposes, a year ago in the fourth quarter, the euro was, on average, at about $1.18 to $1.19, so if the exchange rates remain at their current levels, we should see a little bit of tailwind here in the fourth quarter as well.

On the operating expense side, in the third quarter, operating expenses were up 4 percent versus last year, but on a percentage of revenue basis, they declined about 185 basis points. For the quarter, again our net earnings were up 27 percent. We also had share repurchases in the third quarter, which totaled about $9m, and year-to-date, our share repurchases are close to $33m. We repurchased about 1.1m shares for the year.

Next, I'll talk briefly about the three business segments and how they performed in the quarter.

First, in our Industrial/Automotive division, again, their sales were $67.3m, which was 18 percent higher than the third quarter of last year, and without the favorable currency translations, the sales were up about 14 percent.

We experienced double-digit volume growth in all regions -- Europe, Asia, and the Americas. In the Americas, sales were up 14 percent and really was characterized by strong incoming orders throughout the quarter and across all of the major product categories.

In Europe, the volume was up 14 percent, and the reported sales were up 23 percent after the euro translation adjustment. The Asia-Pacific IAED sales remained strong; they were up 16 percent in the quarter, or 19 percent on an actual basis.

Profitability in this segment has improved nicely throughout the year, and, again, this quarter is really no exception. The operating margins were at 33.6 percent versus last year in the third quarter, they were at 29.6 percent. And if you look at the absolute dollars, the operating profit dollars in IAED grew 33 percent versus last year's third quarter, so very strong results.

To summarize IAED, again, we continue to see growth in the Americas, sales up 14 percent. Year-to-date in the Americas, sales are up 15 percent. The underlying demand in Europe has improved, particularly here in the last couple of quarters, as we've talked about. And regionally, it's really coming from areas like the Middle East, Eastern Europe, the U.K., Spain, and Italy. Sales in Germany still remain a bit sluggish, and as we all know, that is a major country for Graco. In the Asia-Pacific region, again, we're experiencing growth really throughout the region on a year-to-date basis with the exception of Korea, which is basically flat. All the other countries are up, and orders are good.

Next, looking at the Contractor segment, when compared to last year's third quarter, our sales of $68.6m this quarter were up 5 percent. In the Americas, the sales were up 3 percent, and we experienced growth both in the Paint Store channel and the Home Center channel during the third quarter. On a year-to-date basis, the Paint Store sales are up about 3 percent, and the Home Center sales are up 2 percent.

In Asia, this business is experiencing very nice percentage growth. Asia was up about 27 percent, and we are seeing growth in most of the major product categories in Asia. And the same phenomena in Europe; we're up about 18 percent here in the third quarter, resulting both from underlying growth, which was up 10 percent, and then the strong euro making up that difference.

If you look at operating profit margin in Contractor in the third quarter, it came in very nice at 27.2 percent. That's up from last year, where we were at 26.8 percent. And the operating profit dollars grew about 7 percent versus last year's third quarter.

So to summarize Contractors' results again, sales were higher in all three regions. In the Paint Store channel, we are seeing a good demand for some of our new products, including the Ultra Max product that we re -- that we launched earlier this year and we've talked about in earlier quarters, as well as the Ultra 595, which we've discussed previously.

Europe continues to benefit, both from a combination of some underlying growth, as well as the continued favorable tail end on the euro currency. And Asia is growing really throughout all of the region there as we continue to build our position in airless spray equipment and get people to use this type of equipment on commercial and other types of construction projects.

Lastly, the Lubrication segment -- their sales for the third quarter were 13.1m, and that's up 17 percent from last year's third quarter. We were very pleased with these results. The increase is really due to stronger sales in the Americas because that's the primary portion of that business. Most of the business is in the Americas. But we also experienced some growth in the Asia-Pacific region on a much smaller base.

What's really driving the growth here in the quarter is a combination of some new products that we introduced, as well as, we believe, some better underlying economic conditions here in the Americas, particularly in things like car dealerships that are being put in throughout the United States.

For the third quarter, the operating margins in Lube were at 26.2 percent, and that's up significantly from last year's third quarter, where those margins were at 13.8 percent. But last year in the third quarter, we did have about $1m of rework costs associated with the Matrix product line that we're in the third quarter numbers, so those numbers were low because of that.

If you look at the Company as a whole --

On the P&L, I'll talk briefly here about the gross profit margin and the operating expenses.

First, on the gross profit margin side -- for the quarter, we are at 55.1 percent versus 53.2 percent last year. A lot of the factors that are contributing to this improved gross margin are the higher volumes that we're experiencing in our factories; exchange is still benefiting us, although not as much as in previous quarters; some of the process improvements that we put in place in the factories, including capital that we've put into the factories; higher productivity; and a higher portion of our Industrial/Automotive products versus a year ago as that business has really grown and become a larger portion of the total.

If you look at the operating expenses for the quarter, operating expenses were at 26.1 percent of sales, and that compares to 27.9 percent of sales in the same period last year. Spending was up 2 percent in the selling, marketing, and distribution and G&A expense categories. And as we noted in the press release, the G&A number includes $1m for a contribution that we made to the -- that the Company made to the Graco Foundation in the third quarter. Year-to-date basis, we -- the Company has contributed 2.7m to the Graco Foundation.

Third quarter product development spending is up 17 percent. We've talked about this in previous calls, but we do see opportunities in the product development area to stimulate some increased sales by adding resources in really all three of the business segments, so that's really what's driving the increase there.

For the year, product development spending is up 19 percent.

As a result of the higher gross profit margin and the modest growth in operating expenses, the operating profit margin for the Company grew by 360 basis points versus the third quarter of last year. We reported 29 percent this year in the third quarter versus 25.4 percent last year in the third quarter.

The tax rate -- 33 percent for the quarter, very similar to what we experienced in the first half of the year, which was also 33 percent.

Some other items --

The year-to-date cash flow from operations came in at $94.4m. That's up from 84.8m last year. And, again, some of the significant uses of cash that Graco has this year includes $123m of dividends, which includes the $104m special dividend that we paid on March 25, share repurchases of about 33m, and plant property and equipment additions of about $9m.

Accounts receivables are up versus a year ago. This really reflects the increased revenue that the Company has generated. And same with the inventories. They're up from a year ago. They're at about 39m versus 33m, and we really are carrying the additional inventory to meet this increased demand that we're seeing really across all three of our businesses.

Just to summarize, Graco had a good third quarter. We're up 11 percent on sales, 27 percent in net earnings. We continue to see a strong recovery in our Industrial/Automotive business in all geographies. Again, while we can't forecast how long this is going to last, we can tell you that we're doing everything we can to take advantage of the opportunities that are available, and that shows up in our results.

The Asia-Pacific region remains very robust, really for all of our businesses, as people are making capital investments and investments in infrastructure. And throughout that region of the world, we're capitalizing on those things.

And then, lastly, the sales in Europe are really very pleasing here in the quarter and really the last couple of quarters. We are seeing a nice rebound there in a number of countries, and combined with the favorable currency environment, that's really helping our results significantly.

So that concludes the opening remarks, and at this point, I'd ask Jeff to open up the call for your questions.

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions.]

First question comes from Matt Summerville with McDonald Investments. Go ahead--

Good morning. One question on the Contractor business. How do you feel housing trends, both in terms of new construction as well as existing home sales, are and will manifest themselves through the P&L of that business segment over the next couple of quarters?

Yeah, Matt, we obviously pay a lot of attention to our -- to the Contractor trends. What I can tell you that happened in the quarter was, first of all -- and it seems to happen every third quarter of every year -- our customers have a tendency to adjust their inventories down. We saw that definitely occur both in paint stores and home centers. And plus the fact that we had the negative impact of the hurricanes that went through the Southeast during the past couple of months. We had some stores that were down in the Southeast that we know were closed for up to two weeks, and it was primarily paint stores closed up to two weeks.

Now, we have seen that the permits, you know, are down about 4 percent from where they had been, and you know, new housing start permits, obviously, will have an impact long-term on our business, but we don't see it as dramatic as -- of a downturn that really will have a major impact to us.

Housing starts are still strong. I think August was 2 million starts, which is, you know, phenomenal for us. We're seeing trends in remodeling. The forecast we've seen is that remodeling is up 6 percent this year, forecasted to be up 7 percent next year. And then commercial starts are forecasted to be up 7 percent next year. As you all know, commercial real estate has been very soft over the last three or four years.

So, frankly, looking at the trends, I don't see anything in there that would indicate a downward -- a business that's downward-trending into next year at this point.

So would you say then your fourth quarter comps should be stronger than what you saw in the third quarter based upon the things you just said?

Well, if -- if -- if, you know, Florida gets going again and they continue to buy equipment, I think that will certainly help us. We've seen some strength in our order rate already going into that category. So everything that we've seen so far indicates that there really is no slowdown, and I would expect that comparables last year to this year should be pretty close.

Thanks a lot. I'll get back in queue.

Okay.

Thank you. Next question comes from Charles Brady with Hibernia Southcoast Capital. Go ahead.

Hi. Thanks very much. Can you guys just talk about the Matrix in regard to the Lubrication market? What was the impact on that in the quarter? How's that rollout gone?

Charlie, very simply, it had no impact in the quarter because we haven't reintroduced the product. What you're seeing, that growth is coming out of Lube, you know, is driven by a brand new what we call the Mini Fire-Ball, that was introduced this quarter, and just the general growth that Mark was talking about with the new dealerships going in and they're putting Graco equipment in. We are testing Matrix in a number of locations today with very good results. I would hope to see it introduced if not this quarter, first quarter of next year, and we think that will have a positive impact on us. The good thing is -- is in Lube -- that we were really happy to see this quarter is that we weren't comparing ourselves to a very low quarter last year. We were up about 10 percent last -- in 2003 in the third quarter and up 17 percent in comparables to that this year. So we think we've got some good traction in Lube that should carry over along with some engineering resources that we've assigned in there over the past year that are really starting to see some new products rolling out now that will help us as well.

Okay. So has the rollout been -- the Matrix has been pushed out? Is there any particular reason why that's happening, or are you just trying to do more testing to make sure it's definitely 100-percent when it does roll?

It's the latter. At this point, you know, we are considered the quality product in the marketplace. We aren't going to do anything will (sic) jeopardize our name. We're very careful and cautious about going through the rollout to make sure that it is right before it goes out. We have not seen anything in our testing that indicates that we have any problems or major problems.

Okay. And then, on steel costs, you talked about having to raise prices in -- for your '05 product line. Have those price increases been communicated out? And what's the tone of similar increases from competitive products out there?

Well, I don't know about the competition at this point, but what I can tell you is that we have not had any price increase conversation with any of our customers at this point with the exception of a couple of our larger customers. You know, price is -- continues to be difficult to get, but I think the case this year is much stronger than what it has been in the past. We see that it's probably -- from steel price increases that we're seeing are probably equal to 1.5 to 2 percent of our COGS and an increase that we've got to figure out how we recover, and part of that's got to be through price increases to our customers.

Okay, thanks very much.

Thank you. The next question comes from Ned Armstrong with Friedman, Billings, Ramsey & Company. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning.

Hi, Ned.

With regard to the industrial segment, are there any end markets that you're selling it to other than commercial real estate that's still lagging in the general economy?

I think we've got confusion there. Well, Contractor, certainly commercial is still lagging. And in industrial, we have seen nothing, Ned, that would indicate that there's one segment that's lagging the others. Our increase in the industrial revenue across the world has really been spread across the variety of industries. So there's not one out there that's really driving the entire growth, and there's not one that we see that's lagging the growth. So I think it's pretty -- it's pretty much across the board and strong in most categories. And we've talked in the past about the four application areas that we have for industrial, and they're all up. So sealants and adhesives, process, protective coatings, and finishing -- they're all showing positive comparisons versus last year on a year-to-date basis.

Okay. And, second, can you comment on your CapEx needs going forward for -- primarily for next year and thereafter?

Yeah, the basic answer is somewhere in the $15 to 20m range is what we'd anticipate for CapEx for the next probably three years based on our current levels of production and the growth that we anticipate internally.

The caveat to that would be if the growth were to accelerate or if we were to have an acquisition where we wanted to do some integration and we'd need to put up some more brick and mortar as a result of that.

And, Ned, that number that Mark talked about includes the China facility that we're putting in next year. So that's factored into the numbers that Mark talked about.

Okay. And then, finally, I guess the 3M alliance, you were expecting products to be available in all the U.S. regions during the second half of '04. Is that pretty much on target?

Yeah, they're still rolling out. They're still measured in the way they're rolling out. They're still having tremendous success with the product. What they're attempting to do is get the U.S. complete this year, and then they want to start rolling out globally next year. So everything is on track as expected. As I said, they've got -- or have had great success with the product, and you know, we see, frankly, even higher revenues next year from it as they globalize the product launch.

Great. Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Franzreb with Sidoti and Company. Please go ahead.

Good morning, gentlemen.

Hey, John.

Cash is beginning to build again in the balance sheet. I was wondering if you could discuss your appetite for acquisitions relative to maybe another special dividend?

John, I think the -- what we're seeing, and I think I'd mentioned this in the last call, is that we're seeing greater activity in the marketplace from companies that are for sale that Graco would consider buying. You know, that's about all I can tell you about acquisitions, that we're aggressively looking. That's our number-one priority. You know, if we -- as with last year, if we can't find something to put the cash to work through acquisition, we'll either consider special dividend or share repurchase. That's basically our intent.

Okay. And relative to the growth in Asia, I'm sure we can all understand how the capital investments in infrastructure is driving demand for your business there. But could you talk a little bit about the growth in Europe? Are you increasing your distributor penetration? What's going on there that's driving demand?

You know, it's -- frankly, it's a fantastic story. Our folks have done a wonderful job there. We're seeing equal growth in our Contractor business, along with our Industrial business. Both are up double digits. We're getting the growth coming primarily from those under-penetrated markets from an industrial standpoint. And when I say that, those which are in traditional Graco markets -- Southern Europe and Eastern Europe -- we're getting great growth coming in, in those areas of the EU.

The interesting note is that France is still very weak and Germany is still very weak. So the growth we're getting industrially is just a tribute to the folks that we have in Europe, to be honest.

The Contractor business actually is growing across the region. They've had great success in continuing to penetrate those markets and really making that conversion from the brush and roller to a sprayer. So it really comes across both segments. You know, I'm still concerned about the European economy. Every time you pick up a newspaper or a news article, you still read about how soft the economy is --

Right.

-- but, frankly, it's not showing in our numbers, and I think it's just because we're very aggressive in the southern portion of Europe and the eastern countries of Europe.

Great. Thank you very much.

Next question comes from Mike Schneider with Robert W. Baird. Please go ahead.

Good morning, guys.

Hi, Mike.

First question just on the Contractor segment. Dave you did mention that permits were off, I think, 5.5 percent in August, and the 12-month rate of change has finally rolled over for the first time in a long time. Are we starting to see that in the Contractor division? Because if you look at the growth rate, it's decelerated now really since the fourth quarter of last year from, let's call it, 7, 8 percent down to this 5-percent level. Should we continue to expect this growth rate to decelerate, or is there some new product pipeline or burst coming in 2005 to kind of rejuvenate that segment?

Well, I think, first of all, to talk about the -- I guess, sequential growth or lack of growth in Contractor, if you look at, you know, on a reported basis, we were up 8 percent in the first quarter, 7 in the second, 6 in the third -- or 6 percent in the third quarter. If you look on a real basis, though, we were up 5, 5, and 4 in the third quarter. So I don't think that, you know, that the one quarter really causes us any concern. You know, we still feel -- see a strong market out there. Honestly, our sales out the door in the home centers and the paint stores is much higher than what our rate has been -- their sales rate has been through those outlets. Again, they're adjusting inventories.

If you look at -- we've looked at this thing, you know, 15 different ways to try to understand the trends. If you look at the Americas' growth, last -- third quarter 2003 compared to third quarter this year, we're actually up a percent in the Americas. So I don't see anything out there that considers -- or that causes us concern about a negative trend in the Contractor business.

Okay. And the new product pipeline for '05?

Yeah, new product -- we certainly -- you know, we still have our objective there. We've got new products that are coming out at the start of the year. In fact, we just introduced a new line of our gas hydraulic units that came out at the end of September, so we should get some traction from those in the fourth quarter and into next year, and we have a number of new products that will be coming next year as well.

Okay. And the Industrial/Automotive segment -- obviously, margins there are spectacular. Where do you start to run into capacity constraints, where you've actually got to start to deploy some capital and maybe pressure the margins at that point -- at this point?

Mike, I don't know of anything that would cause us margins -- margin compression, I guess, from a capacity standpoint. As we looked across our facilities, we think we have capacity from a brick-and-mortar standpoint probably for three years, including the expansion into China that we announced.

If you look from a manufacturing technology standpoint, we know that there are a number of machines that we're going to have to buy over the next couple of years. We've got some new equipment coming in today -- and when I say today, within the next few weeks -- that will increase our capacity both here in Minneapolis and out in our Sioux Falls, South Dakota plant. You know, it's just a matter of buying the latest technology and implementing the latest technology to help us expand our capacity. I don't see really a need for any brick and mortar over the next two or three years, with the exception of if we make an acquisition, as Mark mentioned earlier, that we'd have to potentially add to the -- to bricks and mortar.

Okay. And I guess then what I'm hearing is the incremental margins in industrial have been running at 55 to 60 percent, and if you're not required to add any significant bricks and mortar, those incremental margins should continue?

Yeah, they should. The only thing that could potentially hurt us is if material prices and energy prices continue to escalate and we're not able to recover those through a price increase. I think that's -- you know, if I've got a real concern in the -- on the margin line, it would be our material costs going forward.

Um-hmm. Okay, and final question just on Contractor. Mark, the specific growth rates, professional and DIY, you said 3 percent and 2 percent year-to-date. Can you give us the quarterly number?

Yeah, I think I've got those, Mike. For the quarter, Paint Store was up 2, and Home Center was up 7.

Okay. So I guess then it begs a question. Home Center was up 7. Doesn't sound like there was an inventory adjustment, or are you implying it would've grown more?

Well, what happened, also, though, Mike, is that our texture unit that we put into Home Depot earlier this year --

Yeah?

-- actually is now in 600-some-odd stores. We started out with a 200-store test. We're in 600-some-odd stores now, which really helped us grow that marketplace.

Okay, and was that rollout primarily this quarter, or is there more to come?

Yeah, it's been taking place over the last, basically, four months.

Okay. Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

Next question comes from John Hanna with Wellington. Please go ahead.

Morning, everyone. Great quarter, guys.

Thank you.

Thanks, John.

You know, most of my questions have been answered, but just a quick one on the tax rate. I can't help but notice that a lot of industrial companies are seeing their tax rates actually decline, and I guess they attribute it to higher foreign sales and other tax activities that they have in place. And I’m just curious as to what you're thinking is. Thirty-three percent seems kind of on the high side when I compare you to a number of other industrial names.

Well, I mean Senator Kerry embarrassed us last night, so we're going to pay a higher tax rate.

Okay.

No, I was just -- you know, it's still below the 35-percent statutory rate, which, you know, is 200 basis points lower than that, I guess. We have -- we actually, as our foreign earnings get higher, they're actually taxed at a bit higher rate given our structure, so it does put more pressure on us.

In terms of going forward, I see that rate being somewhere in the range where it's at. I don't see any big up side with the legislation that's passed and probably not a lot of down side either. So I think it's a pretty good -- pretty good number for you to be looking at in terms of, you know, what you'd expect in the next couple of years.

Okay. And just one follow-up. I may have missed this, but in terms of share buyback in the quarter, can you just give me some detail on that?

Yes. In the quarter, we did about $9m worth of share repurchases, about 290,000 shares roughly.

Okay. Thank you very much.

Yup, you're welcome.

Thank you. Our next question comes from[Greg Spiegel [ph] with Pilot[ph] -- excuse me, Pilot Investments. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Nice work, guys.

Thanks.

I haven't heard you guys mention any slowdown in kind of any of the markets or sectors or regions you guys are operating in, yet the press release read like it was -- you're taking a fairly conservative outlook, I guess, for the balance of the year and into early '05. How should we interpret that, I guess, is the question?

Well, I mean, Graco is conservative. There's no question about the way we go about some things. As I said earlier, what really, really concerns me is the European economy. You know, I see no indication there that that has gotten any stronger, other than I think our execution has been very good in Europe. You know, if I look out into Asia, I don't think that there -- there (sic) anything to indicate that Asia will slow at all. I think North America would still be, you know, very good. The other thing that you've got to understand about our business, we operate on a very small backlog, and it's difficult for us to project the future based on that backlog. So it's just really, I mean, difficult for us to sit here and not be cautious just because we don't have a lot of visibility into the future, but we see nothing -- again, other than that European economy -- that would concern us.

Great. Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions.]

Our next question is a follow-up question from Matt Summerville. Go ahead.

Just regarding the price increases you're talking about, are you -- will you, with the price you're looking to put through, be able to capture -- I think, Dave or Mark, you mentioned it was about 1.5 to 2 percent of cost of goods sold year-to-date in terms of higher raw material costs -- and then, you know, do you -- or are you looking to implement price increases sufficient to potentially offset the incremental expense that you could encounter in '05?

Yeah, I think it's the latter, Matt. What we'll end up doing is we don't -- we don't expect to pass along all of our cost increases to our customers. I think we have a responsibility at the same time to continue to reduce our costs in other areas, and that's what our manufacturing group is driven to do. So what we'll end up doing is we'll pass along less than what the total cost of the material cost increases or price increases have been with the idea that we're going to also improve our manufacturing operation to gain traction in other areas.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you. At this time, there are no further questions. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Dave Roberts. Please go ahead.

Well, I want to thank everybody for certainly attending the conference call. I think we're obviously very pleased with the quarter. You know, we had -- again, had record earnings, record revenue. We're on a pace that puts us in record territory, obviously, for the year-end. We're extremely pleased with the results and very thankful for the employees that we have because, certainly, they are responsible for the performance that we've seen over the last nine months. Again, thank you all for attending.

Thank you. This concludes our conference call for today. Thank you for participating, and have a nice day. All parties may now disconnect.