Five Star Bancorp (FSBC) 2024 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Welcome to Five Star Bancorp fourth-quarter and year-end earnings webcast.

Please note this is a closed conference call and you are encouraged to listen via the webcast.

After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity for those provided with a dial-in number to ask questions.

(Operator Instructions)

Before we get started, we would like to remind you that today's meeting will include some forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities laws.

These forward-looking statements relate to, among other things, current plans, expectations, events, and industry trends that may affect the company's future operating results and financial position which states the risks and uncertainties and results may differ materially from these expectations.

For a more complete discussion of the risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the company's forward-looking statements, please see the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, and quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the three months ended March 31, 2024; June 30, 2024; and September 30, 2024, in particular, the information set forth in Item 1A, Risk Factors, in those reports.

Please refer to slide 2 of the presentation which includes disclaimers regarding forward-looking statements, industry data, and Non-GAAP financial information included in this presentation.

Reconciliations of Non-GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP figures are included in the Appendix to the presentation.

Please also note, today's event is being recorded.

At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to James Beckwith, Five Star Bancorp President and CEO.

Please go ahead.

Thank you for joining us to review Five Star Bancorp's financial results for the fourth quarter and year ended December 31, 2024.

Joining me today is Heather Luck, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Our comments today will refer to the financial information that was included in the earnings announcement released yesterday.

To obtain a copy of the release, please visit our website at fivestarbank.com and click on the Investor Relations tab.

2024 was another outstanding year of achievement underpinned by successful continuation of our San Francisco market expansion.

In addition to opening a full service office in San Francisco's financial district on September 3, 2024, we added 18 more seasoned professionals during 2024 to support the expansion.

We also continued to add new core deposit accounts and relationships across our full footprint as seen in the growth of non-wholesale deposits of $331.3 million during the year ended December 31, 2024.

In the fourth quarter, we maintained our ability to conservatively underwrite as evidenced by our 49.92% LTV on commercial real estate managed expenses with our 41.21% efficiency ratio and delivered value to shareholders with our $0.20 per share dividend for each quarter of 2024.

Additionally, in the fourth quarter, we were able to maintain our net interest margin which decreased by only 1 basis point and grew our total loans assets and deposits over prior periods.

Loans held for investment increased during the quarter by $72.1 million or 2.08% from the prior quarter and increased $451 million or 14.63% year-over-year.

Average loan yields improved each quarter in both 2023 and 2024.

Consumer and other concentrations of the loan portfolio increased most significantly year-over-year from 1.2% as of December 31, 2023, to 7.9% as of December 31, 2024, due to purchased consumer loans.

The commercial real estate concentration of the real estate portfolio decreased year-over-year from 86.76% as of December 31, 2023, to 80.75% as of December 31, 2024.

Our commercial real estate concentration is differentiated by diversification within the portfolio and our ability to conservatively underwrite, as evidenced by a 49.92% LTV.

Our pipeline continues to remain solid at the end of 2024 within the verticals in which we have historically operated.

Loan originations during the quarter were $263.3 million, while payoffs and pay-downs were $72.5 million and $118.7 million, respectively.

During 2024, loan originations were $1.1 billion and payoffs and pay-downs were $263 million and $423 million, respectively.

Asset quality continues to remain strong.

Non-performing loans remained at 0.05% of loans held for investment at period end as compared to 0.05% at the end of the prior quarter and 0.06% at the end of the prior year.

As of December 31, 2024, the allowance for credit losses totaled $37.8 million.

We recorded a $1.3 million provision for credit losses during the fourth quarter, primarily related to loan growth for a total provision for credit losses of $7 million for the year ended December 31, 2024.

The ratio of allowance for credit losses to total loans held for investment was 1.07% at year-end.

Loans designated as substandard or doubtful totaled $2.6 million at the end of 2024, representing an increase of approximately $0.8 million from the prior quarter and an increase of approximately $0.7 million from the previous year-end.

During the fourth quarter, deposits increased by $158 million or 4.65%.

During 2024, deposits increased by $531.1 million or 17.55%.

The year-over-year increase was largely driven by increases in money market, time, and non-interest-bearing demand deposits.

Partially offset by decreases in interest-bearing demand and savings deposits.

Non-interest-bearing deposits as a percent of total deposits decreased to 25.93% at the end of the fourth quarter from 26.67% at the end of the prior quarter and 27.46% at the end of the prior year.

As noted earlier, we are pleased that we had a net non-wholesale deposit inflows for the year ended December 31, 2024.

Our ability to grow deposit accounts supports our differentiated customer-centric model that our customers trust and value.

As seen through the mix of high dollar accounts and the duration of certain customer relationships, we believe we have a reliable core deposit base.

To offer more detail on our deposit composition, I want to highlight that the deposit relationships totaling greater than $5 million constituted 61.13% of our total deposits.

And the average age on these accounts was approximately 9.28 years as of December 31, 2024.

Local agency deposits accounted for 23% of deposits as of December 31, 2024.

Overall, deposit balances have increased when compared to the prior quarter.

Wholesale deposits, which we defined as broker deposits and public time deposits, increased by $150 million or 36.59% quarter-over- quarter.

Non-wholesale deposits increased by $8 million or 0.27% driven by a $15.7 million increase in non-interest-bearing deposits, partially offset by a $7.7 million decrease in non-wholesale interest-bearing deposits compared to the prior quarter.

Cost of total deposits was 258 basis points during the fourth quarter of 2024 and 255 basis points for the year.

We continue to be well-capitalized with all capital ratios well above regulatory thresholds for the quarter and the year.

Our common equity Tier 1 ratio increased from 10.93% to 11.2% between September 30, 2024, and December 31, 2024.

On January 16, 2025, our Board declared a cash dividend of $0.20 per share on the company's common voting stock expected to be paid on February 10, 2025, to shareholders of record as of February 3, 2025.

On that note, I will hand it over to Heather to discuss the results of operations.

Heather?

Thank you, James.

And hello everyone.

Net income for the quarter was $13.3 million.

Return on average assets was 1.31% and return on average equity was 13.48%.

Net income for the year was $45.7 million.

Return on average assets was 1.23% and return on average equity was 12.72%.

Average loan yield for the quarter was 6.01%, representing an increase of 3 basis points over the prior quarter.

Average yield on loans for 2024 was 5.89%, representing an increase of 37 basis points over 2023.

Our net interest margin was 3.36% for the quarter, while net interest margin for the prior quarter was 3.37%.

Our net interest margin was 3.32% for the year, while net interest margin for the prior year was 3.42%.

As a result of changes in interest rates and other factors, our other comprehensive loss was $2.6 million during the three months ended December 31, 2024, as unrealized losses net of tax effect increased on available for sale debt securities from $9.7 million as of September 30, 2024, to $12.4 million as of December 31, 2024.

Non-interest income increased to $1.7 million in the fourth quarter from $1.4 million in the previous quarter due primarily to income received on equity investments and venture-backed funds.

During the three months ended December 31, 2024, combined with a loss from equity investments and venture-backed funds during the three months ended September 30, 2024, non-interest income decreased to $6.5 million in 2024 from $7.5 million in 2023 due primarily to lower income received on equity investments and venture-backed funds.

During the year, non-interest expense increased to $14.5 million in the fourth quarter from $13.8 million in the previous quarter due primarily to increased commissions related to higher loan production and increased advertising and promotional expenses.

Non-interest expense increased from $47.8 million in 2023 to $54.5 million in 2024 due primarily to an increase in salaries and employee benefits related to our expansion in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Now that we've discussed the overall results of operations, I will hand it back to James to provide some closing remarks.

Thank you, Heather.

I want to thank everyone for joining us as we discuss fourth quarter and year-end results.

Five Star Bank has built a reputation on trust, speed to serve, and certainty of execution which support our client's success.

Our financial performance is the result of a truly differentiated customer experience which continues to power the demand for Five Star Bank's relationship-based services.

We are very proud to have earned the trust of those we serve including our shareholders.

Looking to 2025, we are confident in the company's resilience in any environment and remain focused on the future and our long-term strategy.

We will continue to execute on our organic growth and disciplined business practices which we believe will benefit our customers, employees, community, and shareholders.

We appreciate your time today.

This concludes today's presentation.

Now, Heather and I will be happy to take any questions that you may have.

Ladies and gentlemen, we'll now begin the question-and-answer session.

(Operator Instructions)

Will Jones, KBW.

Yeah.

Hey.

Thanks for the questions.

Subbing in for Woody Lay this afternoon.

I just wanted to start on deposits.

Another quarter of really strong growth though I know it was really a largely wholesale fund quarter.

Just hoping you could give us a little bit of the flavor for tender deposits that you brought on, whether it be duration or cost of the incremental deposits this quarter?

Sure.

As we pointed out and as you referenced, for the most part, our composite growth was on the wholesale side.

And what we've chosen to do is to remain pretty short on those certificates of deposits.

And we've set up a, Will, if you know, if you can imagine this kind of a rolling every three months repricing of those deposits they come due, so they're very short-term CDs.

And so we think with that structure with our wholesale deposits, which are CDs, all of them are CDs, Heather, right?

Yeah.

We think that we'll be able to take advantage of any rate cuts that may occur in 2025 just like we did in the fourth quarter.

So that's really kind of how they're set up, Will.

And the cost of those deposits, they're probably sitting right on top of treasury when we did them.

Yeah.

So right now, the weighted average rate for that portfolio and there's about $560 million in there is 4.59%.

And they'll reprice, as James noted, on a three-month basis.

Right.

Okay.

Great.

That is all very helpful.

And then as you just kind of look into 2025 and you kind of think about your growth plans, how are you thinking about the ability to generate organic core deposits?

I feel like there's this floating narrative out there that the industry as a whole reignites itself into a state of growth that the competition for deposits is only going to increase into the year.

So maybe if you could just give me any commentary on how maybe you view the competitive landscape unfolding in 2025?

And then what is the ultimate outlook for the ability to grow core deposits?

Thank you.

Sure.

This business is always very competitive.

So we're not necessarily seeing any great changes.

We fight it day in and day out in all the markets, and the verticals in which we serve.

There's nothing that's easy in terms of attraction of core deposits and it's the most challenging aspect of being in commercial banking right now.

So as we look to 2025 in terms of our growth, we're targeting about an 8% annual growth rate.

That might be chunky, but we think that's probably the best sense of what it might be.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's great.

And then just lastly for me, I just wanted to touch on expenses.

I know you guys bear one of the best efficiency ratios of the banking, it's hard to miss it.

But at the same time, you guys are a growth company and then operating leverage has been a little bit more challenging to come by just as you go through this investment period.

But as you look at '25 and maybe the margin has more of an upward slope to it and you look behind and see that a lion's share of the investment in San Francisco has kind of been made and is behind you, do you feel like the operating leverage could be on the table for 2025?

Sure.

We do see some slight margin expansion in our future.

And so I think most of that will drop to the bottom line.

We have invested, to your point, in personnel costs and acquisition of personnel costs which we may not see that to the same degree in 2025.

So we do expect that group of people, of which, number 28 people right now, to really help us drive growth.

But we're excited about growth across our entire platform.

As I previously mentioned, we think that we can grow 8% on deposits.

We also think we can grow loans by 8%.

So that's kind of what we're targeting.

We do see some operating leverage for us.

And some of the investments that we made last year, I think they're beginning to pay off.

We did invest in some new technology which we're very excited about coming to fruition this year.

So yeah, I think your point is well taken.

We do expect to have slightly increased margins and with growth.

And given where those earning assets will be put on in terms of the yield, we're excited about our future.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's great.

Well, nice year, guys.

Thank you for the time.

Thanks so much.

Thank you.

David Feaster, Raymond James.

Hi.

Good morning, everybody.

Hey.

Good morning, David.

How are you?

Doing great.

I just wanted to follow up on that loan growth commentary a bit.

Look, the increase in originations is very encouraging.

I was hoping you could maybe just, how much do you think the increase in originations is a function of improving demand versus market share gains?

And then, on the other side of the coin, payoffs and pay-downs increased too.

I'm curious of some of the trends you're seeing there.

Is that asset sales, competitive dynamics where others might be refinancing debt elsewhere?

Just curious of some of the dynamics that you're seeing underlying that loan growth.

Yeah.

Let's just talk about origination side.

And then, we got some commentary on the payoffs and whatnot.

So on the origination side, where rates are right now, it's not the most favorable environment.

The 5-year and the 10-year have been ticked up over the last part of the year.

And then right now, in terms of one of our businesses which our mobile home park business, David, it's not the greatest environment, but I will say there's still activity happening.

And so we're excited about that.

I think our loan growth -- well, I don't think, our loan growth is really driven by, let me use a fishing analogy, how many lines we have in the water.

We've got a lot of people that are working.

They're in business development right now.

We've got 31 of them.

And given that cadre of professionals that are constantly looking for new relationships and strong relationships while taking care of their existing relationships, we think we have a competitive advantage in terms of growth.

And so I think it's really a function of how active we are, how many feet we have on the street, the environment for growth itself, given the interest rate environment, I mean, it's okay, Obviously, people are excited about what's going on in terms of what our President is doing and his administration.

So there may be some aspect of, what do we call it, Heather, animal spirits that's happening.

But on all aspects, it's positive.

Now on the payoff side, David, part of our business is -- what happens in a lot of our businesses is that folks will take their debt structures they have on their commercial real estate, and take them to agency or life companies or or some CMVS market.

That's okay.

I mean, that's kind of a planned payoff.

And so we saw a fair amount of that in the fourth quarter.

We'll probably see a little bit of that in the first quarter here.

But that's a natural progression in terms of how our commercial real estate portfolio works.

And so that just means we have to run a little harder, be more active in order to stay ahead of the game.

But we do expect those things to happen year in and year out.

Okay.

That's great color.

And maybe following up on your commentary, looking at the breakdown, your point on manufactured housing maybe not the greatest environment right now, where do you expect growth to be driven from?

It was very diversified this quarter.

Do you expect maybe more diversified CRE production going forward just, again, as you have more lines in the water, to use your analogy?

Yeah.

I think that's a good point because of the fact that we've got a lot of people down in the Bay Area looking for deals right now and we expect that to be very active.

And so, year-over-year or two years ago at the same time, we expect our originations to be a lot more diversified, to your point.

So, it's not that the mobile home park and RV park activity is dead.

In fact, it's not.

It still represents a big piece of our pipeline.

It's just that we brought on some folks that really will add to the diversification of originations which is all by design.

That's great.

And then you just touched on the Bay Area.

I was hoping to get a sense on the pulse there.

You've been extremely active making some market share gains, continuing to hire, already brought on a new person in 2025.

Could you just talk about the pulse of that market?

What you're seeing there, your ability to continue to gain share?

Just kind of the plans you have for continued expansion there?

Sure.

First of all, it's a great market and there's still an aspect of, I'm going to say, turmoil and certainly repairing given what happened in Silicon Valley Bank and First Republic Bank, and some of the mergers that have happened, and what happened to even Signature Bank.

So we're still very excited about that.

We're providing a great platform for experienced bankers to come join us.

And so our next expansion efforts, from a physical perspective, will probably be in the East Bay, probably, most likely in Walnut Creek, as we continue to grow.

And we're always looking to add talented folks.

And I think what's important to note is that success breeds success.

And word of mouth, because bankers do like to talk, we've created something down there that really has its own momentum right now in terms of business attraction and also talent attraction.

So that's kind of where we're headed from a geographic perspective, David, down there.

But we're interested in the entire Bay Area.

The Bay Area is a diverse place.

You've got the North Bay, you've got San Francisco Proper, you've got the Peninsula, you've got the South Bay, you got Silicon Valley, you got East Bay, Oakland, Alameda, you got Walnut Creek, Concord.

All these places are different.

They're all their own economic nodes.

And in order to play in that space and do it effectively, you've got to get people who are very experienced and know their markets and know the customers and know the industries that are there.

And so that's what we're trying to accomplish down there.

It's exciting.

And we're not doing this to diminish what we're doing, certainly up in the capital region, all the way up into the north state.

In fact, we've added a couple of people up in Chico that we're excited about.

So we continue to grow and develop and we're always looking for talent, David.

We never stopped doing that.

That's great.

Good point.

Thank you.

(Operator Instructions)

Andrew Terrell, Stephens.

Hey.

Good morning, James.

Morning, Heather.

Hey.

Good morning, Andrew.

Good morning.

Just a few questions here.

Anything, James, that seasonally impacted the non-wholesale deposits we saw this quarter up, up a little bit less than maybe I was expecting.

Just wondering if there was any kind of seasonal impact that we should be aware of for the fourth quarter.

In terms of deposit flows?

Yeah, deposit flows, non-wholesale.

Yeah.

I think that we saw some -- jeez, in the last week

--

Week.

Yeah.

It probably would have a dramatically different result.

I think we saw a lot of distributions being made by our commercial customers coming out in the last two weeks of December.

And the flows were really quite significant, well over $50 million.

And I think that's normal.

People are paying out bonuses.

A lot of people like to get that done prior to the end of the year for staff, maybe some of the executives are a little bit later.

But that's something that we really picked up on notice.

It wasn't -- No relationships went away.

It's rather just people distributed their cash.

And so that's what we saw.

It was very noticeable.

Got it.

Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

And then when I think about the parameters you're putting around loan and deposit growth next year, I think you said both expected around that 8%.

Just within those two figures, would you assume any runoff of the wholesale deposits?

Essentially implying that the non-wholesale deposit could be better than 8%.

And then within loan growth, should we expect any BHG purchases throughout 2025 and were there any in this quarter?

So there were some in this quarter.

And so big picture, what we're trying to maintain is about a $300 million book with BHG which means we have to be active every quarter to kind of fill up what gets paid off.

It's very rapid amortization.

So we plan to keep the BHG balances around $300 million.

We also plan to keep our wholesale book pretty consistent throughout the whole year.

So the strategy there is just to roll, keep rolling those CDs.

And just to put some context around that, James noted we're going to stay within that $300 million concentration.

So for comparison purposes, in Q4, we only purchased $17 million of BHG loans for a total -- as of year end at $270 million.

That's compared to $109 million purchased in Q3.

So you can see the level of activity now that we're almost to that level of typical activity that we'll do.

So no diminishment of our wholesale deposit book.

Got it.

Okay.

I appreciate it.

And maybe just one more, just going back on, I think it was Will's point around the efficiency.

If I look at the expense growth this past year, it was I think 14% versus 2023 levels.

Heather, how should we be thinking about just overall level of expense growth in 2025?

Yeah.

As James mentioned earlier, we have been investing in not only the Bay Area, but also Sacramento, in the Valley, and in the North State.

And also in back office support too to help support all of the new activity and new customers coming in.

So I expect to have for the first half of the year to use Q4's expenses as your proxy.

I think that that's a good new baseline for where we expect to be for the first half of this year.

Got it.

Okay.

So pretty similar 4Q into the first half, and then maybe we'll reassess them depending on hiring and future investments?

Correct.

Correct.

Okay.

And I'm glad you brought that question up because we were just talking about that in terms of -- we are opportunistic, Andrew.

If a team becomes available, we're going to jump on it.

And so these folks aren't cheap, as you know.

Yeah.

Well, you guys have done a great job in remaining opportunistic, so I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we're going to conclude today's question-and-answer session.

I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for closing remarks.

Great.

Thank you.

Five Star Bancorp is on a continued path of growth as we execute on strategic initiatives which include growing our verticals and geographies while attracting and retaining talent.

Our people, technology, operating efficiencies, conservative underwriting practices, and expense management have also contributed to these successes we share with our employees and shareholders.

These successes include numerous ratings and awards.

Five Star Bank consistently execute on client- and community-focused initiatives.

And 2024 was no exception.

We received a super premier rating from Findley Reports, an IDC superior rating, and a BauerFinancial rating of five stars.

We were also awarded the prestigious 2023 Raymond James Community Bankers Cup.

We were among S&P Global Market Intelligence 2023 top 20 Best-Performing Community Banks in the Nation.

And we are ranked fifth in the 2024 Bank Director Magazine, Best US Banks with Assets Less than $5 billion.

We also received the Greater Sacramento Economic Council's Sustainability Award recognizing a company that has supported industry growth in the Greater Sacramento region.

In 2024, our senior leadership was recognized by the Sacramento Business Journal with the C-Suite Award, A Woman Who Mean Business honor, an 40 Under 40 recognition, and placement on the Power 100 List.

Our senior leadership was also recognized in the San Francisco Business Times Newsmaker 100 List as part of the independent community bankers, 40 Under 40 emerging community bankers among the Association of Latino Professionals for America's Top 50 Most Powerful Latinas and with the National Association of Women Business Owners Sacramento Valley Outstanding Women Leaders Executive Women Award.

Being recognized as community leaders ensures Five Star Bank remains top of mind in the markets we serve as we continue to build out our market presence.

I am humbled and proud of our team's accomplishment and look forward to the future.

We look forward to speaking with you again April to discuss earnings for the first quarter of 2025.

Have a great day and thank you for listening.

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now concluded.

We thank you for attending today's presentation.

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