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  • Operator

  • Greetings, welcome to the Fiesta Restaurant Group Second Quarter 2016 Earnings conference call. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Ms. Lynn Schweinfurth, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Thank you. Good afternoon and thank you for joining our call. Our second quarter 2016 earnings release was issued after the market close today. If you have not already seen it, it can be found on our website, www.frgi.com, under the Investor Relations section.

  • Before we begin, I must remind everyone that our call today will include statements that are not based on historical information. These forward-looking statements include, without limitation, statements regarding our future financial position and results of operations, business strategies, budget, projected costs and plans, and objectives of management for future operations.

  • Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed or forecasted in such forward-looking statements and we can give no assurance that such forward-looking statements will prove to be correct. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements can be found in our SEC filings.

  • Please note that during today's conference call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating our performance. Any discussion of such information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP and a reconciliation of comparable GAAP measures is available in our earnings release.

  • Now, I would like to turn the call over to Tim Taft, President and Chief Executive Officer.

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • Thank you Lynn and good afternoon everyone. As an introduction to my comments this afternoon, allow me to frame the narrative so that the facts that follow are made clear and you, our audience, understands our current and future direction. Five years ago we did not have a single restaurant outside of Florida and the only successful unit outside Miami, Palm Beach and Broward Counties was a new unit in a new market, Jacksonville. Remember, this new location was pursuing an entirely new site selection model; the same one we use today.

  • Since then we've expanded into Nashville, Atlanta and Texas and by the end of this year we will double the domestic footprint. We acknowledge the growing pains and taken a regional brand into new geographies, the learning curve has indeed been steep but we also see the progress and the feature value of all of the change and various programs that we've since put in place.

  • We will touch on many of those directives today and as is our practice we'll be transparent in our thinking as we share the ever evolving theater of operations that is the restaurant business. As we said in our prior call, we expected a challenging first half of the year because of record sales a year ago and both macro and company specific headwinds we've been experiencing. In addition to general weakness in our industry, which is even more pronounced in Texas because of the oil related downturn, we were negatively impacted by expected cannibalization and the investment spending in new markets.

  • Beyond these factors our results were further pressured by severe rainstorms in Texas which hurt sales and profitability. However, as we look to the back half of the year, we see several items working in our favor. These include easier sales comparison, a lower level impact from cannibalization that at any point in the last two years additional pricing at Pollo that was tested and then implemented in July, traction from Pollo remodeling program, the ongoing testing of our loyalty programs, the introduction of media new markets, the expansion of third-party delivery in select markets and our expectations that catering and online mobile app business will continue to build.

  • With that, let me quickly go through our brand sales performance for the second quarter before discussing these key initiatives in greater detail. Pollo's comparable restaurant sales decreased 1.4% which included a comparable guest count traffic decline of 2.6%. We estimate that the cannibalization negatively impacted comp sales by 2% which if backed out would suggest a slightly positive comp for the quarter. As we mentioned on our last quarterly call, we launched our Chicken Pincho's Promotion in April which was so successful, especially in Texas, that we had to order an additional supply to keep up with demand. Due to the success that we've experienced, we believe our Pincho's Program skewers of grilled marinated chicken and onion, may evolve into other line extensions in the future while offering new news to our promotional lineup.

  • More importantly, we began promoting our quarter chicken, rice and beans with a drink for $4.99 which we hope will effectively compete in the current promotional environment. The supplementary table found in the earnings release point to significant variants in the average weekly sales volumes for newer restaurants; many of which are located in Texas compared to average weekly sales volumes for comp restaurants which are only somewhat impacted by our emerging markets including Texas. This of course begs the question I hear most often from the investment community; why does Pollo have such lower volumes in Texas than in Florida? We believe the primary reason is time. Two years ago we entered Texas with just one restaurant in the Dallas area. Fast-forward to the end of 2016, we'll have approximately 38 restaurants in Texas across four markets; Dallas Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonia and just recently Austin.

  • So we've not reached media efficiency in Texas, we have very little brand awareness and people do not yet appreciate what the Caribbean food is all about. This essentially creates an imbalance, a lot more supply for limited demand. It's vitally important to know however, that lower sales is not the result of brand rejection, on the contrary, customers that try our concept love the food and our consumer scores in Texas are among the highest in the system. We are confident in Pollo's long-term potential in the state and we believe concentrating on organic growth in Dallas, Fort Worth and Houston will, in the short-term, help balance consumer demand with restaurant supply since we build brand awareness for Pollo through radio, direct mail, local store marketing, word of mouth, social media engagement and off-premise consumption.

  • To that end, in 2017 we will opportunistically secure long-term strategic sites in Texas while focusing the majority of growth in markets that are already media efficient. Earlier this year we turned on media support for San Antonio where we currently operate nine restaurants and the results have been rather encouraging as sales volumes have increased nearly 10% compared to pre-media. I must also add that due to the uniqueness and brand loyalty Pollo generates, we have found that our Texas customers are willing to drive further to eat at our restaurants. This effectively creates larger trade areas around our restaurants which makes the impact from sales cannibalization for this brand greater compared to our peers.

  • However, we're confident that these trade areas will begin to normalize as brand awareness increases. Our approach to Pollo growth in Texas is a long-term one and the positive media impact in San Antonio clearly shows us that what we need to do is give Texas more time to develop both top and bottom line results as brand awareness grows.

  • Turning to Nashville, we are seeing encouraging results where we introduce media in September and have since seen comp store sales increase over 6% year-to-date which includes the impact of adding two additional restaurants in the market last summer. We're also taking the same approach in Atlanta and after only three weeks on air, we have experienced a 5% improvement in average weekly sales. This also includes the impact of two restaurants opening in recent weeks.

  • Turning to Taco, comparable restaurant sales decreased 3.8% which included the 5.5% decrease in comparable guest traffic. Similar to Pollo, the ongoing oil related challenges negatively impacted brand performance. This was especially evident at our Houston restaurants where comps were down 7.9% because of actual and feared job layoffs as well as abominably wet weather. The Houston market alone had a 1.5% negative impact on Taco's comps. To mitigate the current promotional environment, our team has rolled out the choice of four meal deals at our ongoing promotional price of $4.99 starting this week as well as offering four of its breakfast tacos at a discounted price of $0.99 each.

  • Now let me update you on our key business drivers starting with development. We're on track to open between 34 and 38 restaurants this year. Thirteen of those restaurants open during the second quarter including six Pollo restaurants in Texas, three Pollo restaurants in Florida, two Pollo restaurants in Georgia and two Taco restaurants in Texas. Year-to-date we've opened 19 restaurants. We have designed a smaller Pollo prototype with approximately 50 seats compared to our current model of approximately 90 seats.

  • This prototype will cost approximately 15% to 20% less than our current Big Blue. Taco will similarly be utilizing the smaller lower cost building prototype as we ramp up its development by focusing on smaller Texas markets and in-filling existing markets.

  • Those smaller Pollo and Taco units will be built in 2017. We will make those units flexible in size so that we can produce a reasonable ROI even at lower sales volumes. This direction also gets us closer to an economic model a future franchisee will embrace.

  • Next is our reimaging efforts. We've completed four Big Blue reimaging projects in Atlanta year-to-date and are on track to complete a total of 15 projects before the end of the year; one more in Atlanta and ten in South Florida. Reimage restaurants continue to deliver meaningful 3% to 5% sales lift by further differentiating Pollo and reducing the impact cannibalizing stores create. Based on our reimaged restaurants completed in 2015 in year-to-date we are currently exceeding our five-year after tax payback goal and guests feedback remain overwhelmingly positive. Lastly, let me update you on the off-premise business. We believe catering and group ordering represent significant growth opportunities. However, we think it's preferable that we build our sales mix overtime as operations gets more in custom to the demand.

  • We are currently system-wide at both brands with online ordering and mobile app platforms allowing us to fully role out our catering and group order capabilities in the second half of 2016. Our mobile apps also open the door to the introduction of loyalty programs at each of our two brands. As a reminder, these programs allow us to track individual guest transactions and personalize surprise and delight promotions to encourage return visits. We have rolled out Pollo's loyalty program to our Orlando and Nashville markets and will proceed with a larger scale rollout over time once we are certain that the program is being executed and received properly. At Taco we will launch our loyalty pilot test in Austin in the coming weeks.

  • Another part of our off-premise strategy is third-party delivery. We currently offer delivery in two test Pollo markets; San Antonio and Houston and we plan to roll out delivery in additional markets including South Florida in the coming weeks and months. At the same time we will be rolling out similar service for Taco initially in Austin this quarter. Finally, regarding our separation plans, we have begun a formal search for the position of CEO at Taco and beginning in Q3, Danny Meisenheimer, our Pollo Chief Operating Officer, has significantly restructured the Pollo East team now being led by [Willie Romero]. [Willie]'s name will sound familiar as he recently spearheaded the off-premise initiative.

  • The biggest change is a smaller span of control for important high volume stores get the increase attention they require. Restructuring of the Pollo corporate office to a critical regional support center will be complete by year-end including transitioning many of the brands key leaders to our Dallas office from Miami. Our attention remains the same to complete the spinoff of Taco late next year or in early 2018.

  • In closing, we have acknowledged the typical growing pains that occur whenever you extend a brand into an area where there is little or now awareness. The lessons of the last year or so will help us as we move into other cities in Texas and states outside of our current footprint.

  • Our long-term strategy remains the same, but that should not suggest our approach will remain unchanged. We continue to be very proud of both teams operating in this difficult environment and look forward to the future evolution of both brands. Let me now turn the call back over to Lynn.

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Thank you Tim. As we shared on our earnings call last quarter we had anticipated that the second quarter was going to be a tough period for our business but results proved to be even more challenging than we have initially thought. As a result of how we have faired year-to-date, we have adjusted some of our annual guidelines which I will detail shortly but first let's discuss the second quarter itself.

  • For the second quarter we grew total revenues by 5.6% to $181.5 million through sales contributions from the net new 37 company owned restaurant openings over the past year which offset declines in comparable restaurant sales at both brands. Pollo comparable restaurant sales decreased 1.4% which included a 2.6% decrease in comparable guest traffic and a 1.2% increase in average check.

  • Sales cannibalization from new restaurants on existing restaurants negatively impacted comparable restaurant transaction growth by approximately 2%. Average check was primarily driven by menu price increases that positively impacted restaurant sales by 1%. On a two-year basis, quarterly comparable restaurant sales grew 2.9%.

  • Average weekly sales at new Pollo restaurants have similarly trended lower particularly in emerging markets due to the consumer environment, cannibalization and low brand awareness. However, where we introduced broadcast media we are seeing promising results as Tim has already outlined.

  • In July, comp store sales at Pollo were down 1.8%, this compares to a prior year comp lump of 6.4% in 2015. In the second quarter, Taco comparable restaurant sales decreased 3.8% and resulted from a 5.5% decrease in comparable guest traffic partially offset by a 1.7% increase in average check. Weather negatively affected comp transactions by approximately 1% while menu price increases positively impacted restaurant sales by 2.4%.

  • On a two-year basis, quarterly comparable restaurant sales grew 1.8%. In July comp store sales at Taco were down 5.8%, this compares to a prior year comp month of 7.1% in 2015. In terms of quarterly expense and cost drivers, please refer to our earnings release which provides explanations for each P&L line item on a consolidated basis. Unfortunately with negative comparable sales at both brands this quarter, sales deleverage negatively impacted profitability at both brands across fixed and semi-fixed operating costs.

  • Net income decreased $2.3 million to $8.9 million or $0.33 per diluted share compared to net income of $11.2 million or $0.42 per diluted share in the prior year period. The second quarter adjusted net income decreased $2 million to $9.2 million or $0.34 per diluted share with the bulk of the adjustments related to relocation and severance costs for transitioning the Pollo headquarters to Texas. Consolidated restaurant level EBITDA margins decreased in the second quarter by 190 basis points primarily due to margin contraction at both Pollo and Taco.

  • Pollo's margin decreased 340 basis points as favorable commodity costs were not sufficient to offset higher labor, rent, advertising and other restaurant operating expenses. Similarly, Taco's margin decreased by 60 basis points due to the same reason. At quarter end we had a cash balance of $4.8 million and after reserving $5.2 million for letters of credit, we had $76.9 million of barrowing capacity under our senior credit facility.

  • We continue to be in compliance with all related covenants. As a reminder, we disclose a great deal of brand specific financial and operating performance in our quarterly earnings release tables and in our SEC filings. This information includes brand specific comp and non-comp restaurant average unit volumes and income statement line item details and variance explanations.

  • We plan to publish our 10-Q document today similar to what we have done in the past to give investors as much information as possible as quickly as possible. Turning to our 2016 outlook, we will continue to provide a limited updated set of operating targets for the year. These do not include any impact or cost related to the potential separation transactions or the severance and relocation costs we called out this quarter.

  • Based on our current results to-date, we are revising our comparable restaurant sales growth projection for the year at Pollo which is now expected to be down 1% to up 1% while Taco is now expected to be down 3% to down 1%. We had previously projected comparable restaurant sales growth of low single digits at both brands.

  • We also are estimating that year-over-year AUV's will decline at Pollo in the back half of 2016 similar to the first half of this year. This is the result of adding new restaurants to our store base in emerging markets that carry lower initial sales volumes and the impact of the current macro environment.

  • We now expect EBITDA margin expansion at Taco will only partially offset margin contraction at Pollo resulting in consolidated restaurant EBITDA contraction for the full year. As a reminder, the restaurant EBITDA margin will be negatively impacted 20 to 30 basis points simply based on having an extra week of sales leverage in Fiscal 2015 as fixed costs are embedded in labor, other operating and rent expense line items.

  • We have also lowered the range for general and administrative expenses to $54 million to $57 million. This is primarily due to lower expected incentive based compensation expenses. We are reaffirming other operating targets for fiscal 2016 that are laid out in our press release issued today. On a positive note, we are very encouraged with the progress we have made toward planning future restaurant prototypes, menu boards, sales mix and staffing models that we believe will deliver improved results as we look out to 2017 and beyond.

  • In closing, while the first half of 2016 proved even more challenging than what we expected earlier this year, we continue to expect a benefit from easy comparisons in the second half of the year, a declining impact of cannibalization at Pollo as well as the impact of initiatives that Tim articulated earlier. Additionally, we took pricing of 90 basis points at Pollo in early July that we tested before implementing system-wide.

  • With that, let's open the line for questions.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. (Operator Instructions.) Our first question is from Alex Slagle from Jeffries, please go ahead.

  • Alex Slagle - Analyst

  • Hey, thank you. A couple of questions, one on the July trends. Is there any measurable impact from the fourth of July shift in comps?

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Yeah, there's a little bit, we started the July comp month with July 4 so we didn't have the lead-in for the weekend preceding July 4 compared to the prior year. And so that does have a little bit of a negative impact on the monthly results.

  • Alex Slagle - Analyst

  • Okay, and then if you could provide a little bit more color on what you've seen in Texas and how things have changed recently with regard to the consumer spending trends you've seen maybe internal weekly data and anything else anecdotally you've seen?

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • Well, like I said it clearly begins with Houston and Houston has really been hammered hard over the last three months compared to the rest of what was expected. It was kind of a delayed reaction to the oil issues. Last year Houston was one of our better performing restaurant markets and this year it's one of, clearly it's our worst, in recent days -- well, first of all, in July there wasn't any media that was run in July. August we started off with -- as we mentioned before $0.99 and promotional $0.99 tacos and in fact we've seen some really dynamic encouragement from the various markets. Dallas is looking much better and Houston has all but cut their negatives in half. So we are seeing other parts of the state that are starting to respond too so August is a good start.

  • Alex Slagle - Analyst

  • Okay, and then on Pollo and the labor outlook, I think at some point you had maybe talked to labor being up 100 basis points in 2016, maybe you could talk to how that outlook changed given the comp change?

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Yeah, I would say you know, the outlook is a little bit larger in terms of the margin contraction on the labor line item, probably 120 or a little bit greater year-over-year based on a 52-week 2015 comparison.

  • Alex Slagle - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is from Jeff Farmer from Wells Fargo.

  • Jeff Farmer - Analyst

  • Thanks, you did touch on it briefly but what are your cost control opportunities across both concepts and do the Q2 results reflect any benefit whatsoever from pursuing any of those opportunities?

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • I would say Q2 probably did not reflect most of the opportunities we've been addressing. Many of what we put in place were effectively in place at the beginning of July. The categories certainly include the two biggest expense line items; cost of sales and cost of labor.

  • We've made some good progress in terms of labor and looking at our matrix and improving the efficiency in terms of how we schedule labor in our restaurants without negatively impacting the guest experience. The other thing we are putting in place in the next week is a new menu board that we think will help sales mix and help cost of sales and related profitability.

  • So that's going to go in place as a test initially but it will have forward-looking implications, we hope, based on everything we've modeled out up to this point. You didn't ask about new restaurant prototypes but I'll throw this in in the context of certainly a great deal of focus and energy with a sense of urgency at the company around improving the new restaurant model and the results. So, in addition to top-line and expense areas of focus, we've also designed restaurant prototypes at each of the two brands that are much lower in cost and should produce returns sooner even at lower sales volumes.

  • Jeff Farmer - Analyst

  • Okay, and you guys made quite a -- well, at least a handful of comments about the environment out there and what's going on but just in terms of thinking about how the aggressive, let's call it value-based marketing by not just fast causal but a lot of those quick service players just across the board in terms of a $10.00 and under check. How is all of that aggressive value-based marketing activity played out on your traffic in your opinion?

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • I would say that it's had a direct impact on our business. Anytime you have value messaging, and it's not just QSR as you mentioned, it's causal, it's even white linen is discounting. And so there is a certain segment of our population that is drawn to that. I will say that in the earlier part of the year both of the brands were really focusing their messaging around the brand and brand building and explaining to people the concepts and then with the increase of competitive activity with pricing, we really went back to hitting that a lot harder and I think that we're seeing it certainly in August and you've seen it in other markets along the way that that's the right thing that we have to do during this time.

  • Now, I will say that's really not a huge departure from us because our messages for Pollo is always been around a value proposition. Now our LTO's are really reflecting a price point that we feel is competitive.

  • Jeff Farmer - Analyst

  • Okay, and then Lynn, I'm going to take one stab at this, I'm not sure if you're going to provide color but on the last call you did point to EPS growth obviously with the Q2 results, the updated guidance, especially at the restaurant level, EBITDA line and July same-store sales trends. Any color on how we should be thinking about the magnitude of a potential EPS decline in 2016 versus 2015?

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Well, because of the second quarter results we are now expecting a decline in EPS this year compared to next year and just recall that 2015 we had that 53rd week which is a $0.07 impact so I'll just leave it at that.

  • Jeff Farmer - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is from Will Slabaugh from Stephens.

  • Will Slabaugh - Analyst

  • Yeah, thank you. Wanted to ask you about capital allocation if I could and I wondered if you could frame for us your thoughts around continuing to build stores at a fairly aggressive pace now and one could argue that the stock isn't receiving the credit for it versus taking a short break while you [refine] the smaller, cheaper prototype that you spoke about earlier, repurchasing shares in the meantime that should be worth a lot more down the road once the execution here does improve.

  • So I'm curious on kind of how you dialed those back and forth and if there's any indication on what, you know, growth for 2017 might look like.

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • Well, I'll start with the latter half of that question. What we mentioned in the earning, in our comments, the 2017 you'll see us build a preponderance of our restaurants in markets that are already media efficient so that will include Atlanta and Florida markets as well as San Antonio.

  • A couple in Houston, or one in Houston and one Dallas, couple in Dallas that we committed to, the point being, and those have been committed for quite a while, but we recognize that because of the supply and demand that it's best for us to pursue Texas in a manner that is to get more, you know, more awareness to get -- the fundamental just getting people accustomed to what the brand is all about and we can do that across -- with everything with the exception of TV. So you'll see every promotional item come to bear in Dallas and Houston next year, everything but TV in Dallas. San Antonio will be complimentary with media but you'll see us next year give a break to the Dallas market, allow it to grow organically and the volume that we've committed to will be in other markets outside of Texas.

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • And just, you know, on capital allocation we have ongoing discussions about how we want to spend our capital now and on a go-forward basis and we do believe our new restaurant prototype of 2017 will provide much better results than what we've seen certainly as a result of some of our top-line challenges around cannibalization and brand awareness, particularly in the emerging markets. But we do believe we've got a business model that can justify capital spending next year. Now what we've also said in the past is we were never intending to keep a 20% growth rate in terms of new restaurant growth at Pollo which we've done in the last two years. We really want to get to a growth rate that, you know, is more sustainable on a go-forward basis and a focus on opening great successful new restaurants and so next year we will take our percentage growth down to what we think is more of a sustainable level, you know, in the low double-digit to mid double-digit area and then at the same time with our new smaller Taco Cabana restaurant we will start to increase its development, it's not going to be a huge increase but, you know, anywhere between five to ten restaurants in 2017.

  • Will Slabaugh - Analyst

  • Okay, and just to clarify, you said that the 2017 new Pollo's will be the smaller cheaper prototype?

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • As soon as we can put them in place, there have been projects already in process with permits and other commitments that we can't necessarily vary from but where we can we are going to put in the smaller prototype.

  • Will Slabaugh - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions.) Our next question is from Brian Vaccaro from Raymond James.

  • Brian Vaccaro - Analyst

  • Thanks and good evening. Just a couple of quick clarifications. Lynn, you talked about some labor and cost savings, and food cost savings, initiatives, I just wanted to clarify those are all related to Pollo Tropical, is that correct?

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • The ones I did comment about were but that is not to say that we aren't going after other opportunities at Taco Cabana as well.

  • Brian Vaccaro - Analyst

  • Okay, all right, I just wanted to clarify that and then I just want to also clarify. So, Pollo Tropical, you said next year you expect unit growth to be in the low to mid double-digits and in addition to that, five, maybe ten, Taco's next year. Did I hear that correctly?

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Between five and ten.

  • Brian Vaccaro - Analyst

  • Between five and ten. Okay, all right, and then if I could, back to the Pollo comps in the quarter, can you give some color on the regional trends, what you saw in South Florida, non-South Florida and specifically speak to how comps responded to the incremental ad spend in some of those markets as you posted on and off?

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • Yeah, Brian the big three down in Broward, Dade and Palm Beach, which represent over 50%, those as an aggregate were up during the quarter so extremely high volumes and still positive on top of that. In other markets where we had, you know, a good deal of competitive intrusion, or not competitive intrusion I'm sorry, but cannibalization of adding some restaurants, we had some flattening out a little bit. I will say though that Tampa and Orlando are responding well and I think it's important to note too that -- in Atlanta, by the way, is a market that is coming around. We mentioned some of the sales increases that we're seeing once we went on air there and in San Antonio. But I think it's important to note that we as a company are really putting our eggs, next year, in the basket of fishing where the fish are biting so you'll see us next year, again, in those markets where we're already media efficient and I think, again, and Orlando is a very good example of it.

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Well, one clarification, so I think as Tim was talking about the results in South Florida with media, absolutely we were performing at positive comp stores sales and, in fact, the gap between some of our industry benchmarks was almost 3% in terms of comparable transactions where we started to fall off and go into negative territory resulting in negative comps for the quarter were after the media went away.

  • We're not seeing the longer tails we've seen in the past and it's something that we've been trying to address in terms of our go-forward strategy from a media standpoint.

  • Brian Vaccaro - Analyst

  • Okay, and then in terms of media efficiency and I wanted to ask about Dallas specifically, I think the plan was to perhaps turn on media support sometime in the second half of 2016, is that still the plan?

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • No. I think what we plan on doing is beginning next year we will have all kinds of media with the exception of TV beginning the first part of next year.

  • Brian Vaccaro - Analyst

  • Okay, and how about Houston, would that be sometime earlier mid-2017 as well perhaps or maybe a little later?

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • Well, Houston is a market that it's going to take quite a few restaurants in order to be media efficient so that's not one we'll talk about radio and direct mail and all of the other things that we can bring to bear but it won't be -- we won't be spending TV radio in Houston.

  • Brian Vaccaro - Analyst

  • Okay, and then just one last one if I could; on the smaller prototype you said I think it was 15%, 15% to 20% lower capital investment. Can you share sort of what the new sales hurdles, targets I should say, sales targets and sort of cash-on-cash parameters you're thinking about on that smaller prototype?

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Yeah, I would say the investment cost itself would be in the neighborhood of that you indicated and that we mentioned earlier in the call. In terms of the sales volume we think we can get to a hurdle of 20% or greater in emerging markets at about a $1.7 million year-three sales number but then additionally in some of our more mature markets where we see higher sales initially, the returns will be much higher, higher than the 25% that we hope to get from our mature markets.

  • Brian Vaccaro - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions.) Our next question is from Nick Setyan from Wedbush Securities. Hi this is Colin Radke on for Nick.

  • Colin Radke - Analyst

  • Hi, this is Colin Radke on for Nick. I was just wondering if you could maybe provide a bit more detail on what the media plans are in the second half, kind of market-by-market. You mentioned Texas is sort of off the table for the most part. You said that the sales kind of dropped off a bit and Florida once you went away from that. I was just wondering if you could provide a little bit more color and maybe if your thinking has changed at all based on the results you've seen so far?

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • I -- well, first of all, I think Brian asked the question and it was about increased media. And there was -- there is some misconception that although we were spending a good deal more than a year ago that it would all come in the first half when in fact what we were really doing is spreading that over the year so, you know, as an example if last year we had 25 weeks, this year we would have 35 weeks or we would be able to extend a week with TV and/or radio for greater expansion.

  • I think what you'll find is that the strategy is still the same, that in a competitive environment we're going to continue to spend the increment; obviously sales are down so the amount that we'll be able to spend on the marketing or advertising will go down. But you'll still see us in those media markets and into, you know, the increased level versus a year ago and that's across the board.

  • So San Antonio will have its -- a normal set of media exposure as Atlanta is now on-board with that and then the rest of the Florida markets and then was we mentioned, Dallas next year will have everything but TV and, you know, Houston will have everything but TV and radio.

  • Colin Radke - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you. And then just on Pollo, I think in the past you had mentioned maybe more of an emphasis on menu innovation at Pollo this year. I was just -- I know that tends to be sort of focused on the higher end of the menu. I was wondering given what you're seeing, the promotional environment, if your thinking around that has changed at all?

  • Tim Taft - President and CEO

  • No, I'm glad you asked that question Colin. I think what you're -- what you saw in this past quarter with the Pincho's Program with Pollo, it was a check builder so not only did people have that as an entr?e, but they also used it to, we used it to, add on and build check. So it's that kind of innovation that you'll see going forward, not necessarily to lower the price but really to give the customer additional choices and additional reasons to visit.

  • Colin Radke - Analyst

  • Okay, and then just the last one from me, I think you had mentioned using a similar site selection model as when you first started out in Jacksonville. I'm just wondering if there is any -- now that you guys have sort of built out more of these restaurants if there are any sort of changes to that in terms of your thinking around what types of sites work, what doesn't work and what types of areas you really want to go into.

  • Lynn Schweinfurth - CFO and Senior VP

  • Well, I appreciate the question because we're actually in at least late stages in terms of updating our analogues in terms of a model that we use to determine what we think projected sales will be for new sites and we needed a certain amount of restaurants to be able to be statistically significant in terms of pursuing an updated version. And so that's currently in process. We think we'll have the model completed by, let's say, early fall that we can apply on a go-forward basis. So, thank you for the question, it's something we're proactively trying to refine as we move forward.

  • Colin Radke - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you very much.

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