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Please standby for a realtime transcript. Thank you for standing bottom you're currently online for today's 1-800-FLOWERS.COM conference call. At this time we're gathering additional participants and will be underway shortly. We appreciate your patience and ask that you please remain on line. Good day everyone and welcome to the 1-800-FLOWERS.COM fiscal 2007 fourth quarter results conference call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time for opening remarks and introduction, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Joseph Pititto, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. Pititto. Please go ahead sir.

Thank you. Good morning and thank you everyone for joining us to discuss 1-800-FLOWERS.COM financial results for the fiscal year first quarter. My name is Joseph Pititto and I'm Vice President of Investor Relations. For those of you who have not received a copy of our press release early this morning. The release can be accessed at Investor Relations section of our website at 1-800-FLOWERS.COM or you can call Cathy at 5162-374-860 to receive a copy of the release by e-mail or FAX.

In terms of our intstruction, our call today will again with brief normal remarks and then we'll open the call to your questions. Presenting today will be Jim McCann CEO and Bill Shea CFO. Also joining us today for the Q&A section of our call is Chris McCann, our president. Before we begin, I need to remind everyone that a number of statements will be forward looking with the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

This statement involved risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or applied in the applicable statement. For a detailed explanation of these risks and uncertainties please refer to our press release issue this morning as well as our SEC filings 10-K quarterly reports form 10-Q. In addition, this morning, we will discuss certain supplemental financial measure that's are not prepared in accordance with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles.

Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the tables accompanying the press release issued this morning. The company expressly disclaims any intent or obligation to update any of the forward-looking statements made in today's call and any recording of today's call the press release issued today or any of the SEC filings except as maybe otherwise stated by the company.

I'll now turn the call over to Jim McCann.

Good morning, everyone. For our fiscal first quarter, we achieved strong EBITDA and EPS improvements revenue of pranch $146 million. This performance illustrates our continued focus on driving solid top line growth while significantly improving bottom line results by leveraging our operating platform and unique collection of assets. We achieve these results in what is traditional almost our lower quarter in terms of revenue doing growth in the period was derive Ben primarily by our floral category including our flip business and BloomNet business.

The strength of the 1-800-FLOWERS prand continues to provided us with a unique competitive advantage doe tour ingreated marketing programs. In our BloomNet wire net business we continue to build market share through a combination of increased penetration for our suite of products and services as well as the increasing volume of orders sent between florist. In terms of operating leverage during the quarter we improved our operate expense ratio by 1 basis points through the continues success of our enterprise wide process improvement initiatives my this combined with a 110 basis points increase in our gross profit margin enabled us to improve EBITDA by approximately 45% to $2.7 million and EPS by nearly 20% or $0.2 per share. We expect to build on these results during the current fiscal second quarter during which we will benefit from anticipated higher revenue and profit contributions related to our specialty brands businesses - in this area we anticipate continued strong performance in our gourmet food and gift basket category as well as our improving operating results in our hole and children gift business both of the which enupdate the majority of their annual revenues and profits during the year-end holiday period. Before I turn the call stroar Bill. Specific results and metrics for the quarter I would like to highlight a few additional areas. First in our floral category. Our 1-800-FLOWERS.COM floral business grew 6%.

We grew 7% in the e-commerce business. We believe this growth on the largest base in the industry further extended our market leadership position. We also improved our operating leverage and gross margin in this area resulting in a 52% or $4 million improvement in the category EBITDA to $11.9 million compared with $7.9 million in the year ago quarter. In our BloomNet wire service business we achieved revenue growth of 38% to nearly $10 million compared to $7.2 million in the first quarter last year. Improved operating leverage here resulted in a 51% pleas in category EBITDA to $2.6 million compared with 1.7 in l in the year ago period. These results illustrated niewsessic response that BloomNet's superior value proposition continues to receive from our florists. Second on the consumer front. During the period, we attracted more then 500,000 new customers. We also achieved the repeat order rate 62% illustrating the continued success of our efforts to deepen the relationship we've have with our customers. These strong customer metrics are enabling us to further deft our ECP or Enterprise Customer Value that we described in the past. ECV while still in its early stages is already providing heansed results in such areas as our expanded cross brand marketing programs, increased average order value and improved response rates from our integrated on and off line mortgaging programs we believe ECV will be an increasingly important driver of our top and bottom line going forward. I'll now turn the call over to Bill so he can take you through the details of our financial results and the key metrics for the quarter. Bill? We expect to build on these results during the current fiscal second quarter during which we will benefit from anticipated higher revenue and profit contributions related to our specialty brands businesses. In this area we anticipate continued strong performance in our gourmet food and gift basket category as well as our improving operating results in our hole and children gift business both of the which enupdate the majority of their annual revenues and profits during the year-end holiday period. [inaudible] Before I turn the call over to Bill.

Specific results and metrics for the quarter I would like to highlight a few additional areas. First in our floral category. Our 1-800-FLOWERS.COM floral business grew 6%. We grew 7% in the e-commerce business.

We believe this growth on the largest base in the industry further extended our market leadership position. We also improved our operating leverage and gross margin in this area resulting in a 52% or $4 million improvement in the category EBITDA to $11.9 million compared with $7.9 million in the year ago quarter. In our BloomNet wire service business we achieved revenue growth of 38% to nearly $10 million compared to $7.2 million in the first quarter last year. Improved operating leverage here resulted in a 51% in category EBITDA to $2.6 million compared with 1.7 in l in the year ago period.

These results illustrated niewsessic response that BloomNet's superior value proposition continues to receive from our florists. Second on the consumer front. During the period, we attracted more than [inaudible] new customers. We also achieved the repeat order rate of 62% illustrating the continued success of our efforts to deepen the relationship we've have with our customers. These strong customer metrics are enabling us to further develop our ECP or Enterprise Customer Value that we described in the past. ECV while still in its early stages, is already providing handset results in such areas as our expanded cross brand marketing programs, increased average order value and improved response rates from our integrated on and off line mortgaging programs. We believe, ECV will be an increasingly important driver of our top and bottom line going forward.

I'll now turn the call over to Bill, so he can take you through the details of our financial results and the key metrics for the quarter. Bill?

Thank you, Jim. During the fiscal first quarter, we achieved solid revenue growth, enhance growth margin and feel to demonstrate operating leverage. As a result, we improved our EBITDA for the period by almost 45% to $2.7 million to an EBITDA loss of $3.4 million compared with a loss of $6.1 million in the prior year period. Net loss improved 22% to $5.8 million or $0.09 per share. Compared with $7.4 million or $0.11 per share in last year's first quarter. This was achieved despite the seasonally lower revenues associated with our home and children's gifts and gourmet food and gift basket categories in which fixed overhead is not absorbed by lower revenues in the period. We anticipate these businesses will have their strongest results in terms revenues and profitability during the current fiscal second quarter. Regarding specific financial results and key metrics for the first quarter. Total net revenues reached $145.8 million an increase of 6.3% or $8 million compared with $1,347.1 million in the same period last year. Adjusting for our earlier guidance for planned flat revenues in a home and children's gift category, total revenues increased approximately 8% compared with the first quarter last year. It is worth noting that this revenue growth was achieved despite the fact that the fiscal first quarter is our lowers in terms of revenues due to the lack of gift giving occasions during the summer months. During the quarter our e-commerce boards totals 154,000 compared with 1 million, 634,000 in the year ago period. Average order size during the quarter, increased 2.8% to $67.84 compared with $65.98 in the prior year period. During the quarter we added 506,000 new customers. This was achieved while currently stimulating repeat cord orders from existing customers who represented approximately 59.8% of total revenues compared with 59% in the prior period. Gross profit margin increased 110 basis points to 41% compared with 40% in the same period last year. This improvement was driven primarily by a 90 basis points improvement in our consumer floral business which represents a majority of total revenues in the quarter. Operating expenses as a percent of revenue excluding depreciation and amortization [inaudible]43.4% compared with 44.4% in the prior year period. This includes non cash stock-based compensation expense of $.5 million pretax compared to $1 million pretax in the prior year period. The operating expense improvements reflects the continued enhanced operating leverage we achieved during the quarter. As we previously stated, this is a key area focus and we expects to continue to drive year-over-year improvements in operating leverage. For the quarter, depreciation and amortization remain relatively unchanged at $4.9 million. As a result of these factors net loss for the first quarter was $5.8 million or $0.09 per share compared with a loss of $7.4 million or $0.11 per share in the prior year period. In terms of category results, in our 1-800-FLOWERS.COM consumer floral business during the first quarter, revenues increased 6% to $87.6 million compared with $82.7 million in the prior year period. Adjusted for our planned reduction in retail stores e-commerce revenues in the category grew 7.2% for the period. Gross profit margin for the quarter in this category, increased 90 basis points to 38.9% compared with 38% in last year's first quarter. Talking the higher gross margin with continued improvement in operating leverage category EBITDA increased 51.8% to $4 million to $11.9 million compared with $7.9 million in the prior year period. We define category EBITDA as earnings before interest, taxes depreciation and amortization and before the allocation of corporate overhead expenses. In our BloomNet wire service business revenue increased 38% to $9.9 million compared with $7.2 million in the year ago period. Gross profit margin was 56.7% consistent with the prior year period. Category EBITDA increased 50.6% to $2.6 million compared with $1.7 million in last year's first quarter. This reflects the growth in all volume and penetration of [inaudible] product and service. In our susceptibility brands businesses in our home and children's gift category, revenues were essentially unchanged at $24.7 million reflecting to our previous guidance in this category. Gross margin was 41.3% compared with 41.6% in the same period last year. Category EBITDA loss was $2.3 million compared with a loss of $1.9 million in the prior year period. Based upon our guidance for this category for reduced investment spending we anticipate improved category EBITDA during the current fiscal second quarter traditionally it's largest in terms of revenues due to the year end holiday period. In our gourmet food and gift baskets category. Revenue increased 4.2% to $23.2 million compared to $22.2 million in the prior year period. Revenue growth in this category reflects the seasonally slower first quarter summer months. Gross margin increased 260 basis points to 40.9% compared with 38.3% in the year ago period. Category EBITDA, loss was $1.9 million compared with a loss of $1.6 million in the prior year period. Results in this category reflect product mix as well as expenses associated with planned growth in the category's key fiscal second quarter which includes the holiday shopping period. As I stated earlier, the category EBITDA results exclude costs associated with company's enterprise, shared services platform which includes among other services IT, human resources, and finance, legal and executive. These functions are operated under a centralized management platform providing support services to the entire organization. For the fiscal first quarter, corporate expense is $13.7 million compared with $12.2 million in the prior year period. This increase reflects investments with very made in our enterprise services initiatives, the benefits of which can be seen in our category results? Additionally, corporate expense includes an increase of [inaudible] stock expense reflecting the company's improved results as we have transitioned our long-term incentive plan to a performance-based program. Further aligning executive compensation with broken and profitability. Turning to our balance sheet. Our cash and investments position at end of the quarter was approximately $4 million and borrowings under our revolving credit facility were approximately $40 million. This reflects the seasonality of our business specifically the increase investments in inventory and deferred catalog cost in our specialty brand businesses for the upcoming holiday period. Inventory was in line with management's expaightses and reflected the aforementioned buildup for the year-end holiday season. We Anderson pat we will finish the current fiscal second quarter with significantly reduced inventories as well as no borrowings under our revolving credit line and cash balance in excess of $50 million. Guidance. As we stated in this morning's press release, we have reiterated our guidance for fiscal 2008 which calls for revenue growth of 7 to 9%, EBITDA growth of 20 to 25% and EPS growth of 30 to 35%. Regarding the current fiscal second quarter, which includes the calendar year-end holiday period, we expect the period will represent approximately 35 to 37% of full year revenues. In summary, as we enter our key fiscal second quarter, we are forecasted on driving continued revenue growth on improving both our operating leverage and gross profit margin. I will now turn the call back on Jim.

Well to sum up, during the fiscal first quarter, we achieved solid revenue growth of more than 6% to a record $146 million. Adjusted for our plan flat revenues in home and children's gift categories revenues increased 8%. This was driven by our consumer floral and BloomNet business in our 1-800-FLOWERS.COM consumer business, our growth on the largest base in the industry is helping us stand our market leadership position. Our combination of product innovation, superior service, and integrated ___ program has clearly to set us apart to our consumers product of choice. In our BloomNet wire business we Tinsley to build market share. We have built highest quality network of professional florists in the industry are and focused on increasing expanded suite of products and services while concurrently increasing total volume within the network. As a result, biopsy florists are uniquely positioned to benefit from our industry-leading growth. Also during the quarter we continued to see benefits from our business process improvement programs which contributed to our enhanced operating expense ratio and gross profit margin. Combined with our solid growth this enabled us to significantly improve our EBITDA and EPS during the quarter. Looking ahead, our utlook for the current fiscal quarter including the key holiday period is positive. On a marketing merchandising front we believe we have a broad range of programs including our integrated online and off line advertising campaigns, expanding customer engagement initiatives and new product development efforts. These will enable us to build deep into the relationships we have with our millions of customers as well as attract a significant 516-237-4860 of new customers to our collection of great gift brands. And our gift basket category, the current fiscal second quarter is our largest in terms of both revenue and profit contributions. Our customers have enthusiastically embraced our great collection of food gift brands including Fannie Marry, Harry London -- as a result we have a run rate to exceed $200 million in revenue this fiscal year. We continue to see the opportunity for growth in this category both through internal development and periodic strategickic acquisitions in our home and children gift category. We believe the change we've have made including strengthening the management team and reducing investment spending will enable us to achieve true bottom line performance in laster's second quarter. Overall we believe these factors combined with our continued focus on improving our operating leverage will enable us to enhance our results in the current fiscal second quarter and beyond and there by build long-term shareholder value. And that concludes our formal remarks, I would now ask Rufus if he would please restate the instructions for the Q&A portion.

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, our question and answer will be conducted electronicically. If you would like to ask a question, please firmly press the star key followed by the digit one on your touchtone telephone. We'll come to you in the order that you signal and if you find that your question has been asked and answered before you ask it and you would like to remove yourself from the roster press the star key followed by the digit two. If you're on a speaker phone please make sure your mute button is disengaged. That is star one to ask a question and star two to remove yourself. And for our first question we go to Jeff Stein with -- I apologize KeyBanc capital markets.

Jim good morning, a couple of questions for you, first if you're looking at the holiday selling season. The last couple of months have shown sign it's might be a little bit tougher earlier in the summer and wondering are you guys intending to ramp up your marketing spend as a percent of sales? It looks like you were down 160 basis points in Q1. Check to see the same amount or less leverage on that line in the second quarter if you hit your sales target.

Well, let me answer your first question there, Jeff. When we prepared our guidance for the fiscal year, which was not that long ago. We are already saw the concern that's were being expressed in the media about the holiday. We clearly wondering so, or kept in mind, what we thought would happen during this period that's why we're holding to our guidance. In addition, we've seen over the last several years a trend where our customers order later and later in the quarter and our marketing efforts are going to be reflect that as well. So, we are going to push where the fish are and that we won't have to make any further adjustments.

Okay. And secondly, could you talk a little bit about cross marketing initiatives and how those are going so far. It would seem to me you've got considerable upside and wondering if your far enough long for that initiative to make a difference this holiday selling season?

I'll ask Chris to give you the specifics on that but what I stated in my remarks were that ECV is an important component for us of our continued growth and our deepening our relationships with our existing customers. One of the key aspects to our Enterprise Customer Value initiatives is our fresh rewards program which we know is a key element of our opportunity to cross sell different brands within our portfolio to our customers either this as a reward or an opportunity to use their points or incentive to earn additional points. Chris, if you would an answer to his question but for me it's ECV is in very early stages. We're extremely excited about it and we think fresh reward says key ingredient in the mix.

We look at ECV as a large opportunity but is one that does take a long time to really achieve the results - We're focused on increasing the retention, the frequency and the cross brand, the multi-brand buying of our customers. We're glad that we continue to increase frequency rates - we have a great repeat rate, rather in this past quarter. That fluctuates quarter to quarter, obviously but looking at how we continue to introduce our customers to our different brands. The synergies that exist between the customers, what they are buying to express themselves whether it be witness floral product or food gift product we're having good results with that. We would expect some good, but small results during this holiday season and those synergies between the floral and gourmet food category really manifests itself.

I had a perfect illustration that Jeff on that and we will be what you see on the Halloween presentation on the 1-800-FLOWERS side. As your flower qlises when you come to our site it's our responsibility to merchandise our store with the right products appropriate for the occasion. If you look at our site for Halloween you'll find great offerings SKUs from share in company from Fannie Marry from the popcorn factory. From Harry London. We merchandise our store appropriate to the season exposing terrific other brands in our portfolio.

Real quickly, guys. The gourmet food and gift basket category. Revenues were only up 4.2% and I know seasonally it's a weaker time of the year but nonetheless year-over-year you're comparing peak season over weak season. Were you at all disappointed with the performance of any of those businesses individually.

Jeff, this is Bill. No, this is in accordance with our plan and with our guidance as Jim mentioned continue to see customers order later and later. So we adjust our marketing plans to push it into Q2. So it's in line with what we expected.

Thanks.

We go next to Kristine of JMP Securies.

Hi! A couple of questions, just a followup on a markerting, looking at a holiday season. Give us an idea of how you expect to spend the Ad dollars is it more offline than online or vice versa.

Hi Christine this in Jim. is Jim. I think you'll see a continued mix between offline and online. I think what we've demonstrate second -- I think what's become evident, not demonstration, frankly, is that you cannot walk away from your offline advertising. You cannot build your brand exclusively online. I think some people have fallen into that trap because it's easy, you can drive revenue, but for us, I think what we're seeing is increased effectiveness of our online spend as a result of our offline spend enhancing the brand position. So, it enabled us to not have to compete in a friend spending era before the holiday because it was causing us to disproportionality benefit from customers selecting us regardless of how high we were in the selection process on a paid for basis. You'll continue to see a nice mix of direct marketing both online and in the mail as well as broadcasted radio TV and print advertisements.

Jim, I haven't seen you on TV in a while. Are you -- will you be doing more TV as we had into the holiday season? I mean I know you just said a mix, but I just haven't -- I know in the past I've seen a lot of TV.

The TV moves a market-to-market basis acccording to the holiday, and we know that people who live in San Francisco don't buy much for Halloween so we boycott you for the holiday.

Okay that's it.

I'm only kidding, experiencing our mix of TV is probably going to be a little higher this quarter because we don't have to overspend in the online world because of the strength of our brand.

Okay. Great and then could you just comment on Martha Stewart relationship and my understanding is that the product launch is set for April. Should we expect immediate booth to top line or how should we look at the Martha Stewart arrangement?

We're very excited about the partnership we've entered into with Martha Stewart on the media. Obviously we've not given guidance in terms of numbers and what our expectations are but you can be assured that our guidance for this year included fact this spring we will introduce the Martha Stewerat Collection. The opportunity __2457

Okay. Thank you.

We go now to Eric Beder.

Hi! Eric Beder. Good morning. Are we at this point where we have the amount of florists and it's time to fill in in terms of order flow and moving people up the tiers and getting further services. That kind of evolution we are now at BloomNet.

I think that's a good way to describe it. As we built BloomNet, we said our focus was to create what we believe is the best quality network in the industry and quality is key. So we grow the network to approximately 9,000 flowers. We believe it's all ready at the optimal size for us to be effective. To really effectively maintain those high standards of quality and driving increasing order volume through our members. So we really are excited - we look at it BloomNet and we have begun to create the greatest share of shop to shop volume sent between the florists and their volume continues to grow and we combine world war our individual leading volume from 1-800-FLOWERS.COM brand the BloomNet flowers really benefit from what is essentially the largest and order voom growth in our industry. At times their success to our success. It's focused on selling in the floral directory, selling in products like what we believe is the industry-leading technology platform through manager's store. Selling in digital directory and other products and services. So our focus now, just like on the consumer side is really about deepening the relationship with our customer.

Are you going to offer the Martha Stewart product through BloomNet.

Yes. Martha Stewart has had a flour business in a box delivered a common carrier. What attracted Martha Stewart company to seek us out was the opportunity to have not only the expressed product but have the florist filled product with the proper selection of containers with the right acutraments. It's not just the assemble itself. It's a major component of our program with Martha Stewart.

Okay and Fannie May. You've talked, I believe on prior calls about maybe potentially doing more stores, through sing or expanding the product line. What's kind of the thoughts with Fannie Mae now that you've had had for a year.

I think it's a combination of things. Certainly one of the thing that's attracted us to Fannie May was the opportunity for growth in the e-commerce heart of their business. That's still a very small piece of their business and we think that has tremendous upsides so we're making progress there but it's still a very small piece of that business. The retail stores have very strong contributions so we'll selectively open realize stores but that's a minor piece of their growth and we'll continue to combine product, the Fannie May products and Harry London products into BloomNet and sell them combined with floral products.

We go next to Melinda [inaudible] with the ABC World Market.

Hi. Goodmorning. I had a three questions First of all on the holiday season you could expand on any new projects you have in place that could effect results year-over-year. Second, could you comment on what contributed to the growth in average ticket size? And third, what are the biggest contributors to the decline in sales and marketing. Is it the shift in spending to Q2 or is it marketing efficiency or anything else? Thanks.

Well, you want to handle the third question first which was the decline in sales and marketing.

We discussed this in the past that sales and marketing on our P&L encompasses more then just markets so there is some reduction as we shift into marketing dollars from Q1 into Q2 as Jim mentioned before to fish where the fish are but additionally there's other operational savings that we continue to drive has nothing to do with marketing it's everything from our customer service platform that we have. And its reduction in other courses. It's labor efficiencies that we continue to drive. Those will continue. In regard to the marketing side, we continue to try to drive out of marketing but not less marketing so it's where we can get the same level of marketing at less cost my we'll continue to do -- pursue programs like that.

And you had a question on average ticket -- this is not a focus -- I'll ask Bill to give you more color but it's not a focus to drive the average ticket up. We want to continue to offer a broader range of products and services so for example in the floral category, there we continue to offer a new designer products which are higher average tickets. You'll see us periodically introduce lower price points to attract new and younger customers to our franchise. You'll see us periodically introduce lower price points to attract new and younger customers to our franchise.

Really it's a primary as a result of product Maddux. It's not really price increases. As mix shifts and as we introduce new merchandising or certain of our product lines are selling more then others. That's the resulting -- that's what resulting in the average ticket going up. One other thing that I think adds into the average ticket that increases slightly as we see over time is our focus again on ECV. And as we increase our retention rates with our customers, really, you see that first mani fest itself in our best customers and that segment of customers tend to spend a higher dollar value anyway.

One final point is we do continue with our bulk on our web and sales agents on the phones continue to promote add on sales. So add on projects whether it be chocolate with flowers and that drives sales up.

And if new marketing merchandising programs I don't think there's anything spectacular you can expect to see semi- holiday season and of course there's always tweaks and as Jim mentioned earlier by brand how we manage the the offline spend, the online spend. I think if I look at the home and children's group as an example of what we said making sure we are spending the money efficient. A renewed focus on -- new marketing initiatives and that's very good efficient spend. It's program like that again constant tweaking to our efforts. I don't think anything new and spectacular. On the marketing question, a whole bunch of small initiatives. We're not here to say we have this blockbuster secret. What we have is dozens of interesting nuances and changes in our program that will continue to show that good, solid consistent top line growth.

Thank you.

And a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, that is star one to ask a question. We go next to Anthony Noteo with Goldman Sachs.

Hi! This is actually Jen Watson in for Anthony. Can you talk about the segments of the business that you would expect to accelerate over the coming quarters to get to full year revenue growth in the 7 to 9% range versus the current 6% run rate?

I would say the categories you would expect to see revenue growth will be disproportionately impacted by fourth quarter of the calendar quarter or south fiscal quarter this holiday quarter would be our food and gourmet gift categories which have a disproportionate sales this quarter as to the other three. Our Fannie Mae business. Popcorn business. 1-800 baskets. The recently 1-800 baskets and onto the new fresh digital platform. We also have our Sharyln company product. All of which are concentrated in the fourth quarter. So in terms of categories I can you'll see accelerate growth from. 1-800-FLOWERS participates but it has a essentially -- and BloomNet you see that steady growth throughout the year. They will be slightly higher in the holiday intense quarters like the second and fourth quarter fiscal quarter because of the underlying florist activity in those categories.

Okay, great and then also if you could talk a little bit about the role of ad networks are you using them at all and is that helping you lower your marketing costs online.

We use ad networks extensively but no, I don't think they're lowering our cost of marketing online.

Okay and just one more. In terms of the percentage of 516-237-4860 of florists order you believe you have to Ed and where that can go over time are there any data points you can share with us?

Are you asking about the percentage of shop to shop orders.

Exactly.

We're happy with our results it's still very small but we see that growing and obviously that grows from a market shift from otherwise services into BloomNet and we think that benefits all of our BloomNet numbers.

When you add that to the industry leading growth of 1-800-FLOWERS brand, clearly florists benefit BloomNet more benefit from all the growth.

All right, great. Thank you.

And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we have no further questions on our roster. Therefore, I will turn the call over to Mr. Jim McCann, CEO, for any closing remarks.

Thank you. And thank you all for your questions and your interest. If you have any additional questions please contact us and in closing I would like to offer a reminder. Halloween is only a few days away. It's not too late to send delicious treats to those special tricker treaters in your life. We have delicious bullet -- and customizable tins and popcorn from the pap corn factory not to mention beautiful seasonal flower arrangements. Thank you for your time and look forward to seeing you next quarter.

This does conclude the 1-800-FLOWERS.COM fiscal 2008 conference call. We do appreciate your participation and you may disconnect at this time.