Finwise Bancorp (FINW) 2025 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Greetings, and welcome to the FinWise Bancorp fourth-quarter 2025 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) Also note that this conference is being recorded.

It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Juan Arias. Thank you. You may begin.

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today for FinWise Bancorp's fourth-quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Earlier today, we filed our earnings release and investor deck and posted them to our investor website at investors.finwisebancorp.com. Today's conference call is being recorded and webcast on the company's investor website, as previously mentioned.

On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those discussed today.

Forward-looking statements represent management's current estimates, expectations, and beliefs, and FinWise Bancorp assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to these forward-looking statements, including factors that may negatively impact them contained in the company's earnings press release and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Hosting the call today are Kent Landvatter, Chairman and CEO; Jim Noone, Bank CEO; and Bob Wahlman, CFO. Kent, please go ahead.

Good afternoon, everyone. FinWise delivered a strong 2025, growing net income 26% and posting a steady fourth quarter that demonstrates how our multiyear investments are gradually translating into tangible sustainable results.

The meaningful progress we've made in expanding and diversifying our revenue streams underscores both the durability of our business model and the momentum behind our long-term strategy. Specifically, during the fourth quarter, we delivered healthy revenue growth, driven by balanced contributions from both fee and spread income.

Additionally, our disciplined approach to expense management further strengthened profitability and supported continued growth in tangible book value per share, reinforcing the long-term value we are delivering to shareholders.

Loan originations totaled a solid $1.6 billion in the fourth quarter, exceeding our initial guidance of $1.4 billion. This brings full-year 2025 originations to $6.1 billion, representing a healthy 22% year-over-year growth.

Key drivers during the fourth quarter included strong originations from established partners and continued ramp in the maturation of programs launched in recent years. Partly offsetting this was the expected seasonal deceleration from our largest student lending partner.

While quarterly loan originations will fluctuate with typical seasonality in certain quarters, we believe we have reached a higher and more sustainable level of quarterly production, supported by robust contributions from long-standing partners and newer relationships that continue to scale.

We also experienced strong uptake of our credit enhanced product, ending the quarter with balances of $118 million, exceeding both the $115 million outlook provided on our third-quarter earnings call and our initial guidance of $50 million to $100 million. This product is a core component of our lower-risk asset growth strategy, supported by a structure that requires fintech partners to maintain a deposit account at FinWise against which charge-offs are recovered.

Turning to our BIN and Payments business, although ramp-up has been more measured than we initially anticipated, we remain confident in the long-term value proposition. Integrating these capabilities under one roof enhances our ability to win new partners, expand cross-sell opportunities, and deepen strategic relationships over time.

While strategic partnerships with the lending focus remain our most profitable relationships, we are generating increased interest by also offering BIN and Payment Solutions. For example, some clients use our award-winning payments optimizer, MoneyRails, to process salary deduction repayments on FinWise-originated loans; while others are leveraging MoneyRails to fund transactions through RTP and FedNow, demonstrating the expanding utility and appeal of the platform.

Ultimately, these ancillary services enable our partners to innovate faster, operate more efficiently and compete more effectively, reinforcing FinWise as a true strategic partner, not just a regulatory gateway. We are also pleased to share that DreamFi, a strategic program agreement we announced last quarter, has officially launched. DreamFi is a start-up financial technology company that will provide financial products and services to underbanked communities.

Overall, our pipeline remains healthy, and we remain in active discussions with several additional prospects. As we've mentioned before, the pace of new agreements can appear lumpy and timing may fluctuate, particularly with larger strategic opportunities.

That said, each strategic partnership we secure has a potential to create outsized value. Under this one-to-many framework, a single partnership can drive substantial growth in portfolio balances and revenue, underscoring the inherent scalability and strength of our platform.

On the AI front, given the high cost and rapid pace of change associated with early-stage AI development, a disciplined adoption approach remains the most effective strategy for FinWise. While we have already been using AI in areas such as coding, quality assurance, and BSA/AML, the advances in generative AI are opening new opportunities for efficiency and automation.

We are actively exploring opportunities to broaden the deployment of these capabilities across the company to drive efficiency and long-term value with a disciplined focus on safeguarding sensitive data through secure and controlled implementation.

Lastly, while we will be disciplined in managing near-term performance, our priority remains building durable long-term growth by pursuing opportunities that significantly enhance the company's future. We are confident in the outlook ahead and in our ability to deliver lasting value for our customers and shareholders.

With that, let me turn the call over to Jim Noone, our Bank CEO.

Thank you, Kent. I'll shift now to provide an update on our credit quality and our SBA business. Overall, credit trends remain stable with performance aligning with our expectations, and we remain disciplined and proactive in managing the portfolio.

On the SBA side, production pipelines remain healthy, secondary market premiums continue to be attractive, and we're executing operationally to support continued growth. Specifically during the quarter, we further refined our servicing and administrative standards, which resulted in accelerated classification of certain loans to nonperforming status and earlier recognition of related charge-offs.

As part of this refinement, we increased borrower thresholds required to qualify for a onetime short-term deferment. Management views these adjustments as a prudent forward-looking enhancement to our risk management framework.

Our portfolio continues to be strong and exhibits good performance. Quarterly net charge-offs were $6.7 million in Q4 compared to $3.1 million in the prior quarter. $1.5 million of the total NCOs were attributable to our Credit Enhanced Balance Sheet Program. However, these losses are guaranteed and FinWise is reimbursed for any losses from the cash reserve each partner is required to maintain at FinWise. Of the remaining $5.2 million in NCOs, $1.2 million was due to the updated servicing standards that we implemented in the quarter.

Provision for loan losses were $17.7 million for the fourth quarter compared to $12.8 million for the prior quarter. The increase was driven primarily by growth in the credit enhanced loan portfolio as well as higher net charge-offs resulting from our updated servicing standards, which led to the accelerated classification of nonperforming loans and charge-offs.

As a reminder, the provision for credit losses associated with the credit enhanced loan portfolio is different from the core portfolio provision because it's fully offset by the recognition of future recoveries pursuant to the partner guarantee described as credit enhancement income in our noninterest income.

This quarter, we included a new table in the earnings press release that breaks out the total provision between the core portfolio and the credit enhanced portfolio. Positively during Q4, the net increase to our NPL balance was less than $1 million, bringing our total NPL balance to $43.7 million at the end of the quarter. This modest increase was mostly due to SBA 7(a) watch list and special mention loans migrating to classified status and compares to our guidance on our prior call that $10 million to $12 million in balances could migrate to NPL during Q4.

The lower-than-potential migration reflects the team's proactive efforts in disposing of collateral securing NPLs. Of the $43.7 million in total NPL balances, $24.2 million or 55% is guaranteed by the federal government and $19.5 million is unguaranteed.

Quarterly SBA 7(a) loan originations decreased quarter over quarter, primarily due to extended SBA processing delays resulting from staffing cuts at the SBA with additional impact from the government shutdown.

During the quarter, we took advantage of attractive secondary market premiums to increase sales of the guaranteed portion of our SBA loans, particularly after the government's reopening in November, which contributed to elevated gain on sale income. We will continue to follow our strategy of selling guaranteed portions of our SBA loans as long as market conditions remain favorable.

Following the government's reopening in late November, the environment for SBA loan originations has normalized with turnaround times returning to more typical levels. Notably, our SBA guaranteed balances and Strategic Program loans held-for-sale, both of which carry lower credit risk, collectively accounted for 34% of the total portfolio at the end of Q4, underscoring the lower risk composition of our loan book.

I will now turn the call over to our CFO, Bob Wahlman, to provide more detail on our financial results.

Thanks, Jim, and good afternoon, everyone. FinWise reported net income of $3.9 million for the fourth quarter and diluted earnings per share of $0.27. Key drivers during the fourth quarter included a notable increase in loan originations and a significant rise in credit enhanced balances, both greater than our expectations.

Fourth-quarter results were also impacted by an increase in net charge-offs, in part stemming from the previously mentioned refinement of our servicing and administration standards. The higher net charge-offs resulted in a higher provision for credit losses on our traditional banking portfolio, which negatively impacted our Q4 net income by $1.1 million after taxes.

Net interest income grew to $24.6 million from the prior quarter's $18.6 million, primarily due to the increase in the Bank's credit enhanced balances in the held-for-investment portfolio of $76.5 million. The credit enhanced loans carry a higher contractual interest rate. The higher interest income is partly offset by higher average balances in the certificates of deposits used to fund the loan portfolio growth.

Net interest margin increased to 11.42% compared to 9.01% in the prior quarter. The increase is largely attributable to the credit enhanced portfolio growth of $76.5 million. As a reminder, we suggest thinking about our net interest margin in two distinct ways, including and excluding excess credit enhanced income.

When including excess credit enhanced income, we anticipate the margin to increase, supported by the continued expansion of our credit enhanced loan portfolio and strategic efforts to lower our cost of funding. Conversely, excluding excess credit enhanced income, we anticipate a gradual decline in margin consistent with our ongoing risk reduction strategy. The effect of the credit enhanced income on net interest margin is included in our GAAP to non-GAAP disclosures at the end of the earnings release.

We also posted solid noninterest income of $22.3 million compared to the prior quarter's $18 million. The growth was primarily due to increases in credit enhancement income, driven by our higher credit enhanced loan balances outstanding at year-end 2025. Partly offsetting the rise in noninterest income was a decrease in Strategic Program fees due to lower origination volumes.

As a reminder, credit enhancement income offsets the provision for credit losses on credit enhanced loans dollar for dollar. As a result, when the provision expense and the credit enhancement income are considered together, they offset and result in no effect on our profitability.

Noninterest expense was $23.7 million compared to $17.4 million in the prior quarter, primarily due to increases in credit enhancement guarantee and servicing expenses, resulting from the growth in credit enhanced loan portfolio.

As a reminder, credit enhancement guarantee and servicing expenses are amounts FinWise owes to the strategic partners with credit enhanced programs for their servicing and guarantee activities. The reported efficiency ratio for the quarter was 50.5% versus 47.6% in the prior quarter.

Importantly, we continue to generate solid balance sheet growth with total end-of-period assets reaching $977 million. The increase is primarily due to continued growth in the company's cash balances deposited at the Fed, loans held for investment, and an increase in the credit enhancement asset.

Average interest-bearing deposits were $567.4 million compared to $523.9 million in the prior quarter. The increase was primarily in certificates of deposit, which were added to fund loan growth and an increase in noninterest-bearing demand deposits, primarily related to collateral deposits by certain strategic programs that anticipated increased volumes due to typical seasonality in student loan fundings in January 2026, which increased our balance sheet liquidity.

Let me provide forward outlook on some key metrics as we've done in prior quarters. Loan originations for Q1 2026: Originations through the first four weeks of January are tracking at a quarterly run rate of approximately $1.4 billion.

Loan originations for full year 2026: We remain comfortable using $1.4 billion in quarterly originations as our baseline as it normalizes for student lending seasonality. Annualizing this level and applying a 5% growth rate provides a reasonable outlook for originations for full year 2026.

Credit enhanced balances for full year 2026: We remain comfortable with organic growth in credit enhanced balances of $8 million to $10 million on average per month for 2026 but could see some variability between months.

SBA loan sales: While we don't provide a specific outlook, we will continue to follow our strategy of selling guaranteed portions of our SBA loans as long as market conditions remain favorable.

Quarterly net charge-offs: We anticipate that approximately $3.5 million in net charge-offs for our non-credit enhanced loans is a good quarterly number to use in your models.

Nonperforming loan balances for Q1 '26: We think there is potentially as much as $10 million in watch list loans that could migrate to NPL in Q1 '26. We continue to expect a gradual moderation in NPL migration as loans underwritten in lower interest rate environments continue to season, though the migration may be lumpy.

Net interest margin: We remain comfortable with our prior outlook that when including credit enhanced balances, the margin is projected to increase, supported by the continued expansion of our credit enhanced loan portfolio and strategic efforts to lower our cost of funding.

This upward trend is expected to persist until growth in these balances begins to moderate. Conversely, excluding excess credit enhanced income, we anticipate a gradual decline in margin consistent with our ongoing risk reduction strategy.

Efficiency ratio: We remain focused on driving sustainable positive operating leverage with a long-term goal of steadily lowering our core efficiency ratio. That said, there may be periods in which the efficiency ratio may rise.

Tax rate: While multiple factors may influence the actual tax rate, we suggest using 26% in your modeling.

With that, we would like to open the call for Q&A. Operator?

(Operator Instructions) Brett Rabatin, Hovde.

This is Anya speaking on behalf of Brett. I was just wondering if you guys feel there's any opportunities to lower CD funding costs in the next few quarters.

In regards to CD funding costs, as we've noted, we are dependent upon wholesale funding. And that wholesale funding cost tends to move with the Fed, and the Fed is moving with the interest rate.

So as the Fed reduces interest rates, we would expect to see a like type decrease that will be blended in over time because we tend to run with CD maturities between three and -- three months and one year.

So we would expect to benefit from those decreases but at a gradual rate. And we should be blending in some benefit from past rates over the next couple of quarters yet.

And are there -- do you guys have any thoughts on the progression of MoneyRails and the BIN Sponsorship potential later this year?

Yes. As far as -- let me speak first to the deposits since Bob kind of teed that up. We're still very confident in our strategy on BIN payments, though the timing may be pushed out beyond our initial expectations.

But just as a reminder, we never want to rely or over rely on just one partner as a source of funding. So -- regardless of who they are. So our policies limit concentration on funding from one party, which means it was -- there were chunks of the broker deposits that we were replacing, but only to a certain concentration limit. So we don't think it's going to be hugely impactful this year. We think more of that will come through next year.

And last one for me, but any thoughts on the SBA business this year and whether management might be more or less aggressive with originations given the environment?

Yes. Hey, Anya, this is Jim. SBA demand continues to be really solid in the pipeline and versus last year. Originations for us were down a little bit in the quarter, but that was really just a timing delay from the shutdown rather than a demand issue. And we had a nice pick-up in closings already in January.

So overall, I'd say we have good demand from everything we see, small business confidence is stable to rising. So we feel good about the SBA business right now.

Joe Yanchunis, Raymond James.

So I was hoping to kind of circle back with deposits here. So it looks like period end noninterest-bearing deposits increased pretty nicely this quarter, while average balances declined a bit. Was this surge in deposits related to credit enhancement loans kind of coming on at the end of the period?

The surge in deposits resulted from certain of our strategic partners that are making -- facilitating student loans in anticipation of increased volume of student loans and the requirement to maintain collateral equal to the hold that we have on those loans, but they deposited significant funds at the end of the quarter. So those funds will be held during the period of time that they have the higher origination volume. And then as that origination volume goes down, we expect that they will take those funds back away from us.

Okay. That's helpful. And then did I hear you correctly on your strategic -- or sorry, your origination guidance that was annualized $1.4 billion, which is kind of the quarter-to-date run rate and kind of grow by 5%? Because if so, that kind of points to a decline year over year. And I was just wondering what you would kind of attribute that to?

Yeah. That's the baseline, Joe, that we've put out as far as modeling guidance was. Once you strip away the seasonality associated with student lending, $1.4 billion is a good baseline and then apply a 5% growth factor on that. And that's what we put out there because it takes away the seasonality of student lending.

Is there any reason to think the seasonality in student lending wouldn't return in 2026 where you would get that big 3Q uptick?

There is no reason to think that the seasonality would not return. So very likely would continue in the same seasonal fashion.

Okay. I appreciate that. Switching over to kind of recontracting, I was hoping you could discuss that a little bit. How is the recontracting process gone with existing partners? And is there any like slug of notable contracts up for renegotiation this year?

Yeah. Recontracting just historically has gone really well at FinWise. We've got 15 lending partners, I think, since we started this business in 2016, and they've been operating without interruption, any type of regulatory issues since that time.

I think we've had three partners in total that, for one reason or another, kind of matriculated out of their partnership. Two of them were during COVID. They were commercial lenders that kind of went into COVID, I would say, challenged and closed. So it wasn't anything in the partnership. It was really a business model and a business model issue for them.

The third was one of our original partners back in like 2017 that we just never saw eye to eye on what the sponsorship relationship looked like. So we've been very fortunate in the partners that we've selected, and I think have generally had really good relationships with them.

Those contracts are generally three- to four-year initial terms with two-year renewal terms on each of them. And so they're staggered. Every year, there's a handful that come up for renewal, but there's nothing I would point you to as far as concerns.

Okay. And then last one for me here, there's been an increase in discussion around fintechs sitting their own bank charters. And what's your take on this trend and how it could impact both FinWise and the sponsor bank industry as a whole?

Yeah, I'll take that one. We watch that pretty closely actually. There's a lot of fintech charters out there. As you know, there's also some here in Utah, some applications as well.

But as we've said in the past, the banking charter is not really the best option for all fintechs. Of course, larger, well-established fintechs would be more interested than smaller fintechs. But any fintech looking at considering a charter would have to go through seriously how that would impact their vision, culture, innovation cycles, and so forth.

But for FinWise specifically, we've always thought of our partners in terms of a bell curve. Some of the most successful partners continually are those kind of in the middle of the bell curve where they put up results, really good results year after year, but probably aren't interested in growing to a size where they would need a bank charter.

But some of those partners that are in the right side of the bell curve that are outperformers as far as volume goes, yes, I would imagine some of those are -- some of them are looking at those. But one thing that we've tried to impress on everyone in the past is we've built a scalable platform that allows us to continually pursue new partnerships. And so we just plan for partners going away and partners coming on. And as Jim said, right now, we've got 15, and we feel good about two to three a year still.

Okay. And then one more for me here. So I understand that you'll continue to add two to three new partners a year. But can you talk a little bit about the success or planned initiatives to try to cross-sell products with existing partners? And then just to kind of piggyback off that, and I may have missed this in the materials, how much volume is currently running through MoneyRails?

Okay. We don't disclose that -- as a last question, we don't disclose that, but we're -- it's becoming more meaningful. Usually, the way a partner launches is we get the launch going, and then it scales over the next three quarters or so, let's say. And so we're seeing decent volumes from a couple of partners, but we anticipate those will grow.

But what we're finding in this stage right now and especially as regards BIN and Payments is for this to make sense as a standalone product, you need partners that can generate significant volumes. And the sales cycle for these guys just takes more time.

But what we've really found that's a nice surprise is how providing these capabilities to existing partners doesn't require the same levels of scale since they're add-on products that provide incremental income, and they already fit within our oversight -- our regime here. And one of the things we're really excited about is we're attracting newer or different partners have a greater need for all these products.

For example, Tallied, we signed last year, and they've been a big contributor. But we signed them as a card sponsor partner, but we're also adding the credit enhanced balance sheet flexibility for them, which really gives us upside and allows them to operate better regarding their funding. Does that help?

Yes, that was very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.

Andrew Terrell, Stephens, Inc.

Maybe if I could start just on the -- you guys referenced $10 million of watch list loans that you were contemplating could maybe migrate to nonperformer here in the first quarter. So I guess the question is, would this require an incremental provision expense? Or do you feel like those were already kind of taken care of as part of the SBA kind of cleanup that occurred this quarter?

Yeah. So let me -- hey, Andrew, this is Jim. Let me just like break them up into two things. So you've got the -- so credit trends generally are stable. We continue to see really good performance kind of across all segments of the portfolio.

Bob mentioned in the prepared remarks that we did have a change to the servicing procedures at the beginning of Q4. Let me just give you some color on what that was. So historically, we followed SBA guidelines and our procedures allow a single three- or six-month deferment to stressed borrowers.

In October, after having completed a review of the performance of those borrowers, we updated the servicing requirements to require a full re-underwriting at the time of the deferment request in order to qualify for that. So as a result, the level of NCOs in the quarter accelerated.

It was appropriate to implement that proactively after we got the results of the back test and to kind of proactively manage any of the stressed accounts. But we do not expect that level of NCOs from the core portfolio again in the near term and continue to believe that $3.5 million is the right number for modeling.

When you asked about the $10 million potential migration in Q1, I would just point back that it is lumpy. We've kind of guided over the last probably 18 months or so to kind of that $10 million to $12 million number, and you've had quarters come in well below that, and you've had a couple of quarters that were closer to the actual number.

It's lumpy. And so the number that we're guiding to right now is up to $10 million. But like you saw in this most recent quarter, just shy of $1 million migrated even though we guided to $12 million.

Got it. Okay. No, I appreciate all the extra color there. Just on overall net balance sheet growth, I know you guys guide that the credit enhanced $8 million to $10 million a month, maybe a little bit of lumpiness in there. I guess like I was surprised that the SBA was down so much this quarter and kind of offsets some of what was really strong growth in credit enhanced.

I'm just trying to get a sense of like when we think about overall balance sheet growth, is this a floor in the SBA book? Will you look to build it from here alongside the credit enhanced? Or should we think about that as stable, continuing to decline? Just help us get a sense of like where the net balance sheet goes.

Andrew, this is Bob. So I think the net balance sheet will continue to grow. The fourth quarter was a bit of an aberration for different reasons. And because of the market conditions, we accelerated and stepped up the SBA loan sales. I think that looking towards the future that we expect the SBA loan sales to more or less be approximately equal to the origination volume. So the overall SBA level should stay flat on the guaranteed side.

As it relates to the rest of the portfolio, we will continue to see growth in leasing and our other products, but we'll see most of the growth coming from -- we expect to see most of the growth coming from the credit enhanced portfolio along the lines that Jim had talked about earlier, the $8 million to $10 million per month organic growth.

Yes. Okay, so more of a stable SBA portfolio. And maybe this is too technical of a question, but I'm just comparing the net interest income up 6% or so sequentially.

The credit enhanced guarantee and servicing expenses were up a kind of commensurate amount. I'm assuming that the kind of mismatch here is just the onetime maybe aberration of SBA loans stepping down and not reflective of just a significantly lower level of profitability in the credit enhanced business. Is that fair?

I'm not fully sure I understand -- follow the question. The -- I would note that the credit enhanced portfolio did grow significantly during the period, over $70 million and that the level of profitability that we generated from that remained constant.

The real event for the income for this year is the -- for this quarter was the $1.5 million charge to the provision account related to the -- what we call the core portfolio that would include the SBA portfolio that included the -- that considered the higher charge-offs as well as the -- and the factors as it related to the servicing and administration of that portfolio that Jim had talked about at length. That was the real drag in the period.

Okay. Fair enough. And then on the expense side, it sounds like you guys are looking at or maybe have some opportunities on the technology kind of implementation front. And with that or even outside of that, I'm just curious how you're thinking about pace of expense growth, holding aside the guarantee expense and kind of servicing expense, just kind of the core expense lines?

So as it relates to expense lines, we think that the $16 million would be a good starting point from a quarterly run rate for the noncredit enhanced operating expenses. So as we go into 2026, and then we would -- as we expand the business, as you would see the assets grow, it may be that we need to hire some additional people. But we do think that our revenues will increase two times -- roughly two times faster than our expenses to have a positive operating leverage ratio. That's kind of how we're seeing those factors.

Okay. Great. Well, thank you, guys, for taking the questions.

I will now turn it over to Juan Arias as there seems to be a few questions that came in via email.

Thank you, operator. Yes, we did get two questions via email.

The first one, can you clarify if the impact from what you are describing as refinement of servicing and administrative standards is a onetime item? And did this cost you approximately $0.08 in earnings per share in Q4?

Certainly. The after-tax net income, the way that we're looking -- the way that we calculate it, the after-tax income from that increased provision related to these changes that Jim had gone through was down $1.1 million on that provision for loan losses on that core portfolio or $0.08 a share.

The $1.1 million after-tax provision resulted primarily from, as I said before, the higher charge-offs. And then again, as Jim explained in his comments, the driver for the 4Q's increased provision was that acceleration of the charge-offs because of the changes in the servicing and administration standards that were applied to that core portfolio, particularly the SBA portfolio in Q4 and should be viewed as a onetime event.

Okay. And the second question was, can you please provide additional examples of how you are using AI?

Yeah, I'll take that one. We're actually pretty excited about the possibilities of AI right now, especially now that the cost entry point is so much lower than it has been in the past few years.

But as mentioned on the calls, we've been using AI for coding, quality assurance, BSA/AML, and so forth. But with the recent advances in agentic AI, along with lowering the cost entry point, we think there's some additional lists that we can find in compliance, operations, and areas where automation can drive efficiencies. So we're focusing really intently on that area.

Specifically, things such as policy alignment and regulatory compliance is something that would really be helped through AI as well as cybersecurity fraud detection. But I think most importantly, right now, analyzing and automating the workflows of the bank.

Great. Operator, that was the last question that came in via email.

Okay. Great. Well, thank you, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does now conclude today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation, and you may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day.

Thank you.