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Operator
Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Franklin Electric Reports Third Quarter 2022 Sales and Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions) Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Jeff Taylor, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
Jeffery L. Taylor - VP & CFO
Thank you, Catherine. Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to Franklin Electric's Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. With me today is Gregg Sengstack, our Chairperson and CEO. On today's call, Gregg will review our third quarter business highlights, and I will discuss our third quarter financial details. When we are finished, we'll have time to take questions.
Before we begin, let me remind you that as we conduct this call, we will be making forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties, many of which could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements. A discussion of these factors may be found in the company's annual report on Form 10-K and in today's earnings release.
All forward-looking statements made during this call are based on information currently available and except as required by law, the company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. With that, I will now turn the call over to our Chairperson and CEO, Gregg Sengstack.
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Thank you, Jeff, and thank you all for joining us. Our forward momentum continued into the third quarter. We achieved new financial records for all-time quarterly performance and third quarter performance. On a consolidated basis, it was the highest net sales for any quarter in the company's history, reflecting the continued strong demand in our end markets and a solid execution by our global team.
We would not have been able to achieve these results without the dedication and commitment of our employees who continue to manage through the obstacles presented in the current operating environment. End market demand remains healthy, with all 3 businesses experiencing double-digit top line growth. This strength reflects the continued global demand for our Water and Fueling Systems products as well as our distribution offerings.
Further, our backlog remains elevated at approximately $250 million, down about $40 million from the second quarter due to progress made on past due shipments and normal seasonality. Our backlog is still elevated about fourfold from levels before the pandemic. Operationally, the third quarter was similar to the previous quarter, although we did experience some improvement in our supply chain.
We continue to remain focused on reducing inventory levels, which have been higher throughout the year due to cost inflation, supply issues and longer lead times, and drive free cash flow and higher cash conversion levels. We expect supply chain performance to improve, all be it gradually through the end of this year and into 2023.
In the quarter, we delivered operating margin expansion across each of our 3 businesses. Despite inflationary headwinds, our team exhibited resiliency through disciplined operational expense control, notably in SG&A, which as a percent of revenue was 340 basis points lower than the third quarter of 2021.
Turning to our segments. Water Systems delivered record third quarter sales and operating income with overall revenue growth of 12% and operating income growth of 25%, led by strong organic growth in all geographies. Excluding foreign currency translation, organic growth was 19%, led by strong end market demand in ground water pumping, surface pumping and water treatment. The segment also delivered operating margin of 15.5% for the third quarter.
In U.S. and Canada, organic growth for Water Systems was 13%. Sales of groundwater pumping equipment increased by about 12% and sales of all surface pumping equipment increased by about 22%. Outside the U.S. and Canada, Water Systems organic growth was 27% with a strong growth in all regions of the world. We continue to see steady demand within our Water Systems segment supported by strong commodity and crop prices and dry weather in the United States and other regions of the globe.
We believe these factors, combined with the stability of our business due to the high-level replacement demand will continue to drive the business going forward. Our U.S. distribution business also delivered record sales for any quarter in its history, as well as record third quarter operating income, growing 38% and 54%, respectively. The segment delivered an operating margin of 9.8%.
These results were driven by previously mentioned solid demand in the U.S. groundwater market, price realization and the acquisition of Blake Equipment at the beginning of the year. Our distribution team continues to deliver strong results, underscoring the segment's role as a major growth driver for our company.
Our Fueling Systems business delivered record sales and operating income for any quarter in history with overall revenue growth of 11%, operating income growth 20%. The segment delivered a strong operating margin of 31.7%. Organic growth was 13%. Sales in the U.S. and Canada increased by about 11% compared to the third quarter of 2021. Outside the U.S. and Canada, Fueling Systems revenues were up with sales growth in India and EMEA, offsetting weak sales in China. Again, many of the tailwinds we've experienced over the last several quarters remain the same.
Strong demand continues to be fueled by major marketers investing in new locations in the U.S. and Canada as well as a greater focus on vapor recovery, environmental management and monitoring outside U.S. and Canada. One cannot ignore the headlines about inflation, higher interest rates, potential recession in the U.S. and a tough winter in Europe.
At the same time, the pandemic and recent geopolitical conflicts have shown the fragility of food, material and energy supply chains globally, highlighting the need for an expansion of agriculture, mining and energy infrastructure.
As a global provider system to move water fuel with a significant footprint in developing regions, we believe these catalysts will add to the current strong demand for our products and systems.
Our capital allocation strategy remains unchanged, and we will continue to make investments to further grow the business as well as returning cash to our shareholders through share repurchases and dividends. With the continued strength in U.S. dollar, we are especially focused on investment opportunities outside the U.S. to strategically expand our product offering.
Turning now to our outlook. Our stronger-than-forecasted performance in the third quarter more than offsets the higher-than-anticipated headwinds to earnings from foreign translation and exchange losses in the quarter. As a result, we are revising our full year 2022 net sales guidance to be between $2 billion and $2.1 billion, with our 2022 full year earnings per share, excluding restructuring to be in the range of $4.08 and $4.18 reflecting an increase in our earnings per share guidance midpoint from $4.10 in our previous guidance to $4.13 in our updated guidance.
I'll now turn the call back over to Jeff.
Jeffery L. Taylor - VP & CFO
Thanks, Gregg. Overall, it was a record third quarter performance for the company and our operating segments. We established new third quarter company records for consolidated revenue, operating income and earnings per share. Our fully diluted earnings per share were $1.24 for the third quarter 2022 versus $0.98 for the third quarter 2021.
Third quarter 2022 consolidated sales were a record $551.7 million compared to the 2021 third quarter sales of $459 million, an increase of 20%. The increase from acquisition-related sales was $28.3 million, while organic growth contributed 20%.
Sales revenue decreased by $24.9 million or about 5% in the third quarter of 2022 due to foreign currency translation. Water Systems sales in the U.S. and Canada were up about 16% compared to the third quarter of 2021 due to acquisition-related sales, price and volume.
In the third quarter 2022, sales from businesses acquired since the third quarter 2021 were $5.6 million. Water Systems sales in the U.S. and Canada grew 13% organically in the third quarter. Sales of groundwater pumping equipment increased by about 12%, and sales of all surface pumping equipment increased by about 22%, all due to strong end market demand.
Water Systems sales in markets outside the U.S. and Canada increased by about 6% overall. Sales revenue decreased by $22.4 million or about 22% in the third quarter 2022 due to foreign currency translation. Outside the U.S. and Canada, Water Systems organic sales increased by about 27%, led by higher sales in Europe, Middle East and Africa markets.
Additionally, the company had higher sales in Latin America and Asia Pacific markets. Water Systems operating income was $45.5 million in the third quarter 2022, up $8.7 million or about 24% versus the third quarter 2021.
Operating income margin was 15.5%, an increase of 140 basis points compared to the 14.1% in the third quarter 2021. The increase in operating income was primarily due to higher sales. Operating income margin improved due to leverage on fixed cost from higher sales, price realization and cost management.
Distribution achieved record third quarter sales at $193.2 million in the quarter versus the third quarter 2021 sales of $140.2 million. In the third quarter of 2022, sales from businesses acquired since the third quarter 2021 were $21.7 million. The Distribution segment organic sales increased 22% compared to the third quarter 2021.
Revenue growth was from robust demand and strong price realization in all regions and product categories. The Distribution segment operating income was a record for the third quarter at $19 million, compared to the third quarter of 2021 operating income of $12.3 million.
Operating income margin was 9.8% of sales and distribution, primarily because of revenue growth. Fueling Systems sales were a record $90.2 million in the third quarter 2022 and increased 11% versus the third quarter 2021. Sales revenue decreased by $1.7 million or about 2% in the third quarter of 2022 due to foreign currency translation. Fueling Systems sales in the U.S. and Canada increased by about 11% compared to the third quarter of 2021. The increase resulted from strong broad-based demand across most product lines.
Outside the U.S. and Canada, Fueling Systems revenues were up with sales growth in India and EMEA, offsetting lower sales in China. Fueling Systems operating income in the third quarter was $28.6 million, a new record for any quarter compared to $23.9 million in the third quarter of 2021, driven by higher sales.
The third quarter 2022 operating income margin was 31.7% compared to 29.5% of net sales in the prior year. The increase in operating income was primarily due to higher sales. Operating income margin improved due to leverage on fixed costs from higher sales, price realization and cost management.
The company's consolidated gross profit was $190.6 million for the third quarter 2022, an increase from the third quarter of 2021 gross profit of $163.1 million. The gross profit as a percentage of net sales was 34.5% in the third quarter of 2022 versus 35.5% in the third quarter 2021. The gross profit increase on a dollar basis was primarily due to higher sales.
In the third quarter of 2022, the gross profit margin percentage was down 100 basis points. While realized pricing actions are more than offsetting inflationary cost increases, supply disruptions are causing unfavorable absorption variances and higher inbound freight.
Selling, general and administrative expenses were $109.4 million in the third quarter of 2022 compared to $106.4 million in the third quarter of 2021. SG&A expenses from acquired businesses were about $5.5 million. Excluding acquisitions, SG&A expenses were lower by $2.5 million. As a percent of sales, total SG&A costs are lower 340 basis points over the prior year quarter.
Consolidated operating income was $80 million in the third quarter of 2022, up $23.4 million or 41% from $56.6 million in the third quarter of 2021, despite an unfavorable foreign exchange translational headwind of an estimated $3.8 million. The increase in operating income was primarily due to higher sales revenues.
The third quarter of 2022 operating income margin was 14.5% versus 12.3% of net sales in the third quarter of 2021. The increase in operating margin was primarily due to leverage on higher sales volumes and cost controls and SG&A spending.
In the third quarter of 2022, we incurred unfavorable expense below operating income of about $5.5 million or $0.09 of earnings per share. These events are primarily related to transactional foreign exchange effects and unfavorable indirect tax settlement in a foreign jurisdiction and higher interest expense.
The effective tax rate for the third quarter of 2022 was about 19% and before the impact of discrete events was about 20%, essentially flat to the third quarter of 2021. The tax rate as a percentage of pretax earnings for the full year 2022 is projected to be about 21% compared to the full year 2021 tax rate of about 21%, both before discrete adjustments.
Yesterday, the company announced a quarterly cash dividend of $0.195 that will be paid on November 17 to shareholders of record on November 3. This concludes our prepared remarks.
We'll now turn the call over to Catherine for questions.
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Walter Liptak with Seaport Global.
Walter Scott Liptak - MD & Senior Industrials Analyst
Great quarter. I wanted to ask first about the distribution business and the profitability that came through there. You didn't call out mix just volume leverage. I wonder, does that tell us something about what the future profitability of this could be as sustainable? How should we think about kind of future margins?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
So Walter, I would say that, generally, a distribution business, as you may recall, from the second and third quarters are our best volume quarters, we get the most operating leverage, mix quarter-to-quarter is a little bit hard to parse out because it really depends a little bit on how much of commodity type or commodity-based products are going through distribution versus, what I call, non-commodity, but generally, the operating profile now, the distribution that has the scale that it has.
So we're feeling more confident as opposed to the original kind of 5% to 7% range that we're systemically able to maintain higher profitability over the whole year, recognizing that the first and fourth quarter will be lower than the second and third.
Walter Scott Liptak - MD & Senior Industrials Analyst
Okay. And how are you feeling about the part of that business or I guess any parts of your business that are sold into residential?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Sure. So the distribution business gives us a little bit of a closer view to the end market in the U.S. groundwater space, which is a portion of our overall business. And as we see it right now, we saw that the non-commodity products going through distribution were up about 10% in the quarter compared to last year organically.
So we're seeing still strong end market demand and as you've been following us for a number of years, you know that, because it's such a high replacement factor is that we're continuing to see that demand and also because it's been relatively dry in some areas of the country, as well as some movement of population to more rural settings. So all these have led to a potential market share gains of the distribution business and having that kind of level of increase over last year.
So we're seeing that well. And then also our other distributors, independent distributors buy our product, we had good results in the quarter.
Walter Scott Liptak - MD & Senior Industrials Analyst
Okay. Great. Yes. And just another one just on fueling. How are you -- great results there. How are you feeling about sort of the funnel for projects? Some of your competitors who do more aboveground have seen some volatility there. I wonder if you can just comment on sort of the ongoing environment?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Sure. We're seeing good strength in the environment right now for us. As you point out, we are not in dispensers or above-ground equipments and dispensing equipments. So we haven't had some of the volatility that they've had just because of the completion of the upgrade of the card readers.
We are getting some indications out in 2023 that some build programs are going to be reduced a little bit. We're, at the same time, looking at the continued rollout of our -- and acceptance of our fuel management systems and getting some good traction there as better systems are becoming -- reaching end of life. So we feel good about that. But we are seeing some indications of a potential reduction in capital deployment by a couple of marketers out in the middle of 2023.
Operator
We have a question from Michael Halloran with Baird.
Unidentified Analyst
This is Pat on for Mike. Sticking with fueling quickly, can you maybe talk about the regional variants? I know you called out China being a little bit weaker, can you maybe discuss the geographic variances in Fueling?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Sure. So you may recall that there was a several-year upgrade of double all piping, underground piping in China and we had anticipated because of the Chinese government's focus on cleaning up the -- further cleaning up the environment that they were going to roll off, in-station diagnostics essentially monitor the vapor recovery systems that are in the gas stations. So that second leg has not occurred yet.
And so we're still waiting to see that happen and there's some opacity around China's activities and when that may or may not occur. So we've been seeing this kind of steady decline in more of a run rate than we've had in the past since China, which is more like sub-$10 million in revenue.
Opposite to that, we're seeing a big surge in India. India is more deliberate about vapor recovery and they're doing initially what's called Stage 1 vapor recovery, which is retrofitting the tanker trucks so that they're -- it's called bottom loading so that they can contain the vapors of the trucks and then transport them back. Once they dump the fuel at the gas station, they can transport the vapors back to the fuel depots and keep a closed loop system. You need to have Stage 1 before you really can get serious about Stage 2 vapor recovery, which is related to the automobile.
So we're seeing strong growth in India because of that and also because of Jio-BP, which is joint venture between Reliance and BP, putting in hundreds of gas stations, up to a couple of thousand gas stations over the next couple of years, and I'll respect a portion of that equipment. So we're expecting to see some good growth in India.
Outside of that activity across the globe, we saw our sales in EMEA growing, sales in kind of rest of Asia, Latin America kind of flattish, and we tend to see -- fueling tends to be a little more multi quarter-to-quarter depending on initiatives by either countries or major marketers outside the United States. Major markets outside the United States are typically oil -- state-owned oil companies or large oil companies. So I will give it back to you if you have additional discrete question I can answer.
Unidentified Analyst
No, that was exactly the color I was looking for. That was helpful. Now if we switch gears a little bit. Can you maybe talk about the variance between groundwater and surface pumping? I believe you called out low 20s in surface pumping and low teens groundwater. Obviously, great results for both products. But can you maybe talk about maybe some of the variances in demand you're seeing between the 2?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Sure. So over the last couple of years, our groundwater business has been doing really, really well, particularly in the United States for the reasons we stated earlier, with both crops, dryness, demographic moves. So it's all been strong for our groundwater business, which it's been kind of upset more recently by service pumping, particularly on large watering pumps, and if you think about energy, infrastructure and energy security, you go back to 2014, we saw this tremendous falloff in rig counts, I think, across the globe, but particularly in the United States.
And so, we use that as a bogey for the large watering pump demand granted to other channels, industrial, municipal, but just talking about the energy sector for a minute, we're in a very different situation today. Rig counts are very low. They're growing with the -- again, the focus on energy security. So we're seeing some strong demand in our large watering pumps somewhat outsized compared to maybe some historical demand as we continue to see the capital being invested in this space and I think in part for accelerated energy security development as well as just general demand and other channels as we've been growing our brand recognition. So that's really what has been driving the outsized growth in our dewatering and therefore our surface pumping business.
Unidentified Analyst
That color is perfect. And one last clarifying question from me. I know you said this in the opening remarks, but I want to make sure I heard you correctly. Talked about declining backlog sequentially, I believe I heard you say that it was a combination of seasonality, but also starting to see some catch-up. Just wanted to make sure I heard that right?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
You did. Yes. We'd love to be selling out of stock. But over the last 2.5 years, like many others, we've been struggling to recover on past dues. And we saw -- we saw material -- meaningful improvement in our past dues, which is fundamentally the reduction in the backlog that reflected that, plus there is seasonality.
I mean, I recognize that there's a lot of focus on -- there is going to be destocking in the United States and how is that going to impact every company. And of course, we have exposure to the U.S. It's a big part of our business, but also, we have global exposure. But the -- what we're seeing is a catch-up on past dues, but there is a normal seasonality. We are a Northern Hemisphere-centric business, and so we see some slowdown naturally as we're going forward in the fourth quarter.
Operator
We have a question from Matt Summerville with D.A. Davidson.
Matt J. Summerville - MD & Senior Research Analyst
A couple of questions. First, when you look across the 3 businesses and the organic performance, how much of that was driven by price versus volume when you look at the 3 businesses?
Jeffery L. Taylor - VP & CFO
Yes, Matt, I would say, it's continued to be pretty similar to what we've seen in past quarters, in the third quarter as price is certainly the biggest piece of the organic growth that we're seeing. That's going to be north of or close to 75% of it and volume will be the other piece when we exclude the FX impact, so the translational impact from foreign exchange when we cite those organic growth numbers.
Matt J. Summerville - MD & Senior Research Analyst
So when we think about price realization, at this point, have you fully realized and fully captured all of the benefit from the price actions taken into that end with certain commodities; steel, copper, aluminum, maybe even resin a little bit. Rolling over, certainly coming off peak, how should we be thinking about price realization going forward?
Jeffery L. Taylor - VP & CFO
Yes. So to your first question is have we fully realized the pricing that's been put in place, I would say, not 100% fully obviously, with the backlog that we have. We still have some product out there that's potentially not at 100% of the price increases that we've seen. And then incrementally, we're still seeing pricing in certain areas.
To your question on the commodities, yes, we've seen some commodities turn over, but I would say, in aggregate, when we look at our cost, we do still see inflationary pressures. And so while copper may be down, we do see that oil and gas-based products, plastics and resins, oil and gas is still high, labor is still high, transportation costs are still above where they were, so the net of it is that while inflation may be slowing at some level, we're still seeing inflationary pressures, and we're still incrementally pricing to recover those inflationary costs.
Matt J. Summerville - MD & Senior Research Analyst
If you look at the Headwater business, how much of the product you sell here because you referenced non-commodity, how much of the product do you sell through distribution that you would have categorized as commodity versus non-commodity? And on the commodity-related stuff, I would imagine that there's some element of material surcharges or temporary pass-throughs that I would assume, again, because of what I mentioned, when you look at kind of some of the raw material indices may roll off. I guess I'm trying to get a sense for when that may become a headwind to Headwater if I'm thinking about that the right way?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Yes. Matt, I think you are thinking about that the right way. Certainly, distribution businesses that we follow that are public information, it's been in an inflationary environment. They get some margin lift because they're passing through pricing almost immediately upon announcement by their suppliers and so they get the advantage of reevaluating or getting more margin on the inventory they have on hand to the degree that they've been able to carry heavier inventories because of access to capital like in our case, that's served well.
I'll bifurcate your question further on this saying that about 1/3 of Headwater purchases are pulp-related products from Franklin, and I haven't actually done a split on this. I'm just thinking out loud here is that when you think about commodity type products, which is wire and cable, pipe, things like that, maybe it's, I'll call it, another 25% or 1/3 of their business.
And so in that case, they tend to price that in spot. And so that part of the business actually, it's kind of a spot going forward. So I think they've been able to figure out -- well, all these operators that we acquired are also with us. So they've gone through multiple cycles through the cycles. So they pretty much are able to hold the margin on the commodity pieces from quarter-to-quarter from buy to sell because they've been doing this for a number of years, if not decades.
So yes, I think you'll see some pressure on the gross profit of distribution businesses generally including Headwater in a maybe deflationary or less inflationary environment. But I don't think it's going to be a major hundreds of basis points changes.
Matt J. Summerville - MD & Senior Research Analyst
And then just lastly, one more on distribution. The quarter-on-quarter compression in OI dollars on slightly higher revenue. Is that just mix related?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Yes. I guess to this point of as pricing has stabilized and again, from a mix point of view, you just -- you're seeing a bit of a compression there. And we continue -- we're bringing on new businesses. We have OpEx increases and we need to also be remindful of getting some of that OpEx streamlined. So couple of little factors going on there. But we had great OpEx leverage generally across the business. So, to your point, again, it's -- I think it's a little bit more of a stabilization now at a new price level.
Operator
We have a question from Ryan Connors with Northcoast Research.
Ryan Michael Connors - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst
So congratulations on the great numbers. It does really seem like you're bucking the trend of a more rocky earnings season out there a little bit. So wanted to get at some of the reasons for that maybe, Gregg. And you talked about resources and rig accounts. But are those investments really happening, it seems like a lot of the noise coming from the energy space is that there's not a lot of confidence in the political and regulatory backdrop and that there are economic incentives to invest, but people are still feeling like there's a target on their back and they're not really stepping up those investments like they did in the previous periods you mentioned back in '14 and '15. So are there -- can you cite any specific metrics there? Or to what extent is that really a driver?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
It's just one data point that I looked at, Ryan. To help explain, remember, we saw a large falloff in our business in Pioneer and our dewatering pumps back in 2014 and it seemed to correlate pretty well to rig count. To your point now, we do -- and I appreciate you raising the question because we are more broadly based in the sale of the products, we have greater brand recognition, so the lift we're getting is -- again, much of it is coming through the rental channel, but the lift we're getting is broader based than it was the reason for the falloff back in '14, so the business has more stability now going forward.
But I'd point to the rig count because we are coming off a really low base. And so as I -- having been around here for a few years, I figured that, that's got to be a contributory factor to the restocking or the increase in capital asset investment in the rental space.
Ryan Michael Connors - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst
Yes. Okay. And then the other one I wanted to kind of dive into was, there's so much talk about water scarcity situation right now. And I want to get your -- a little more of a detailed take on how that really impacts you? I mean, can we kind of -- I know part of what you guys do is you help people access groundwater and when we're in a severe water scarcity crisis, is that there's just a lot of demand for, whether it's ag, industrial or residential, people having to access water in those regions and that's really a major driver here?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Ryan, there are couple of factors. Water scarcity is certainly one, as water gets -- to reach water that as water tables have fallen, you're going to need to use larger pumping systems, go deeper, you're going to want to pay up for quality because if the system fails, it's not good, it costs a lot and potentially lost livestock, crops and time and place of products so people are going to turn and want to buy quality pumping system and bigger systems. So that's generally good for us.
The other thing that's going on -- with large scarcity, again, you're going to be -- agree that you're running systems longer, you have higher energy input costs, so people are going to be looking for more efficient systems. So again, we've modified some of the materials construction to have higher efficiency systems. And again, in long run cycle type environment, that's generally good for us. Also to point out is that 2/3 of water is used in agriculture and most of it is not used very efficiently and more use of efficient water distribution, which means getting away from flood irrigation and less efficient systems, you're going to typically get into more sophisticated pumping systems and distribution systems, and that's generally good for us.
So there are several factors that we believe will be driving kind of long-term benefits for Franklin products and our shareholders. But scarcity is certainly one of them.
Ryan Michael Connors - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst
Okay. And then the last one from me was just on this another area where you seem to be bucking the trend is there's been so much talk about this big picture inventory destocking cycle across sort of all sorts of different industrial products. It doesn't seem like that was a big issue. I know you don't sell -- not everything you do is the "pump in a box" that's out on a shelf somewhere. But can you talk about that impact and how that's impacting you now and could be in the next few quarters, both on your manufacturing side as well as Headwaters?
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Yes. So clearly, we've heard a lot of news around destocking. As I mentioned, we're seeing -- again, we have kind of a -- we have another view into the U.S. groundwater distribution because of Headwater and Headwater is reducing their inventories much like they would this time of the year in past years, but maybe a little bit more aggressively as lead times become little more stable with their supply base, including Frank Electric which is the largest supplier.
So that's -- I expect to see that. We hear from some of the larger customers in our residential business on the gray water side and on the surface pumps. We're seeing that there's some sensitivity there to stocking levels. But that's all offset by the fact that we've been struggling to keep up with the demand over this period of time.
So the visibility or the amount of the inventory for that (inaudible) system is not exactly here, and it may likely be lower in the groundwater space and given the challenges we had with delivering earlier in the year, we may actually saying to comes up to a decent position going into next year (inaudible).
I can't -- I don't have that level of visibility. I know we are (inaudible) in the U.S. (inaudible) but our visibility is, orders are good, we manage good (inaudible) going into next year. But to your point, most of that is (inaudible).
Operator
And I'm showing no other questions in the queue. I'd like to turn the call back to Mr. Gregg Sengstack for closing remarks.
Gregg C. Sengstack - Chairman, President & CEO
Thank you for joining us this morning and look forward to speaking to you about our fourth quarter results for the start of next year. Have a good week.
Operator
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.