Extreme Networks Inc (EXTR) 2008 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Extreme Networks 2008 third quarter conference call.

At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode.

Following today's presentation instructions will be given for the question-and-answer session.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) As a reminder this conference is being recorded today, Wednesday, April 23, 2008.

This afternoon's Extreme Networks issued -- sorry, this afternoon, Extreme Networks issued a press release announcing the Company's financial results for the third quarter of 2008.

A copy of this release is available at the Company's website at www.extremenetworks.com.

This call is being broadcast live over the internet and will be posted on the Extreme Networks website for replay shortly after the conclusion of this call.

The Company has asked me to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking statements that involves risks and uncertainties, including statements regarding the Company's expectations as to products, trends and our performance.

There can be no assurances that any forward-looking statements will be achieved and actual results could differ materially from forecasts and estimates.

For factors that may affect the business and financial results please refer to the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including without limitation, under the captions, "Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Conditions and Results of Operations" and "Risk Factors," which is on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission at www.sec,gov.

The Company undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking information in this Conference call.

Throughout the conference call the Company will reference both GAAP and non-GAAP financial results.

The Company has provided a reconciliation table of GAAP to non-GAAP information and the tables that accompany the press and on its website.

Please go to the investor relations section of the Company's website at www.extremenetworks.com.

In addition, all announced results are preliminary and may be subject to the change when the review of the fiscal quarter is concluded and/or a Form 10-Q is filed.

I'd now like to turn the call over to Mark Canepa, President and CEO of Extreme Networks.

Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us today.

I will discuss some of the highlights of the quarter, point out the areas where we continue to make progress and detail how we continue to position the Company for long-term success.

Then I will turn the call over to Karen for details on this quarter's financials.

Revenue for the quarter was $82 million, and during the quarter we believed Extreme would experience normal seasonality.

For the majority of the quarter bookings tracked well within the historical boundaries.

We experienced an abrupt slowdown in booking activity in the last two weeks of the quarter, especially in the U.S,, where we believe the quarter's challenging macroeconomic environment lead some customers to delay their purchase decisions.

Going into the quarter we knew and planned for Asia to be weak; however we also expected the Americas to more than make up for it and for most of the quarter, this turned out to be true.

What caught us by surprise was the suddenness of the America slowdown at the end.

As we have grown over the last year, we have continued to realign our sales territories, splitting regions and adding new sales teams where we see the largest opportunities.

This alignment has really paid off in EMEA, with revenues up 12% year over year.

I noted in the last call that we separated Germany from Eastern Europe and hired senior sales management for each of those organizations.

In addition, this past January we introduced a new channel incentive program for the region.

We're now beginning to see the results from those activities.

The Americas revenue was down only slightly versus a year ago, which we take as a positive in the current North American economic climate.

On April 1st, we introduced a new channel incentive program for the Americas, modeled after our European program, to enable our channel model to continue to gain traction.

At the same time, we continued to hire terrific sales talent to drive more sales activities directly and with our partner s.

Asia, including Japan, saw a significant decline.

Asia-Pacific is the smallest geography from a revenue perspective and therefore tends to be more volatile.

In addition, last year's Q3 results were very strong, buoyed by one very large order by a single customer.

As we have improved execution in other geographies we now turn our attention to Asia.

We're taking the same steps we took in the past to improve the performance in the Americas and in EMEA.

We have hired a new senior sales executive for that geography.

We're planning for a similar channel incentive program, and I believe that over the next few quarters we can restore that region of the world to health and growth.

We believe the caution we generally see in the Americas today is driven by temporary economic considerations rather than a fundamental change in the need for sophisticated networking solutions from our customers.

So while the slowdown in bookings late in the quarter was somewhat surprising, given the back drop of global economic fundamentals it is understandable.

The networking industry in general, and the ethernet segment in particular, continued to show strong, long-term growth.

We have positioned Extreme to participate in a $35 billion market.

Applications such as IP telephony, video, triple play services and security continue to drive the need for more bandwidth and more control of the allocation of that bandwidth.

Ethernet, which has been the logical choice for enterprise connectivity, is now increasingly becoming the logical and cost-effective choice for many carrier applications, as well.

Given the long-term potential of this industry, we continue to stay the course and drive our strategy.

In any economic climate, but particularly one where caution is the watch word, our strategy of driving supply chain costs down and expanding the breadth of our XS platform is the right strategy.

From our perspective, it differentiates our products.

From our customer standpoint, it highlights the benefit that our solution brings; lower acquisition and lower operational costs.

In this uncertain climate, our focus on total network operational costs resonates with our customer base.

We believe the strategy positions us well in the ethernet market to grow and prosper, despite current volatility.

We continue to pay attention to the busy fundamentals.

On a pro forma basis we continue the strong management of our supply chain and again, we're able to deliver 60% product gross margins.

We also tightly managed expenses.

Operating expenses, excluding litigation, was below $46 million, at the lower end of the $45 million to $48 million range we set at the beginning of the fiscal year.

We made money.

We deliver $0.01 per share to the bottom line and we generated close to $5 million in cash for the Company.

We continued to introduce new products.

During the past two weeks we introduced networking products into the enterprise edge, core, and wireless.

We continued our drive to deliver high-performance enterprise edge switching technology with the introduction and shipment of the Summit X350 family.

These new, low entry price, gigabit products provide excellent new opportunities for us to deliver complete end-to-end enterprise networks for our customers.

We can now address customer price requirements we could not reach before.

We also completely refreshed our BlackDiamond 8800 product line with a new set of blades, which significantly increases the scalability, density, and features of the product.

This enables us to be even more competitive in the deployment of mid size and larger enterprise Networks.

This new version of our very popular line will begin shipping this month.

The enterprise wireless market has shown significant overall growth over the last few years, and we see a great opportunity here to leverage our strong distribution channels and increase sales, as well as the breadth of solution that we can deliver.

Following the same strategy as in our switching products, we have now driven our highly-scalable enterprise-class, wireless LAN controller to address the customer needs for a lower access-point [count] solution at much more affordable prices.

To that end, we introduced the WM20, which offers feature set comparability with our current controllers at a much lower starting price.

We have also announced our new 802.11N high-speed access point, which we'll begin shipping during the current quarter.

These new product announcements are part of our continuing strategy to deliver the broadest enterprise ethernet product line running a single operating environment.

This provides significant simplification to our customers' networks and real savings to their acquisition and operations costs, which in turn help us access larger markets and drive more revenue for Extreme.

We believe no other vendor in our space is as well positioned to address our customers' convergent security and mobility needs.

Looking at our customers and markets we continue to demonstrate solid traction in both the enterprise and metro carrier service provider verticals.

As part of the largest single publics works project in Los Angeles city history, the Los Angeles world airport, LAX, recently selected Extreme Networks for a significant network upgrade of the Tom Bradley terminal.

This will provide enhancements to increase the efficiency of resident airline carriers and the travel experience for passengers.

Extreme Networks was chosen for our open approach and high-performance technology.

As Summer has arrived, major league baseballs Washington Nationals have moved into Nationals Park, a brand new state-of-the-art stadium featuring an Extreme and Avaya converged network.

Extreme was selected because of our advanced convergent features, our intelligent software and our history of proven voice solutions with Avaya.

In Europe, (inaudible) Valley University selected Extreme for a new network that leverages XML with the Extreme XOS operating system for a custom development and automation project.

Additionally, our green switching solutions will help them reduce overall power consumption.

Service providers continue to use our ethernet solutions also.

In Extreme -- in Eastern Europe, T-Com of Croatia has chosen Extreme to build its next generation network that delivers both business services and residential triple-play voice, video, and data services across an ethernet network.

The network is built using Extreme's carrier class and MEF certified BlackDiamond Metro Core switching platforms.

[Wind Advende] of Italy, an innovative telecom carrier and long-standing Extreme customer, continues to leverage our BlackDiamond and Summit switching solutions to deliver triple-play services and high-speed data services to businesses throughout the country.

In China, Wang Dong Mobile and Hunan Mobile are leveraging our cost-effective ethernet switching solutions for aggregation of broadband traffic.

We're working with our worldwide partner, Ericsson, as part of a comprehensive mobile solution.

Business with our strategic partners, Avaya, Ericsson, Nokia Siemens Networks and Siemens Enterprise is strong.

We continue to foster these partnerships as a major part of our go-to-market strategy.

So, what does all that mean for Q4?

As you well know, we typically book 50% of the quarter during the last four weeks or so, so it is early for clear visibility; however, our booking pattern to date makes me cautiously optimistic that, barring further deterioration in the U.S.

or global macroeconomic environment, Q3 will have turned out to be more of an anomaly rather than a new baseline for our business.

With that, I would like to turn it over to Karen.

She will speak in more detail about our financial results.

Karen?

Thanks, Mark and thank you all for joining us this afternoon.

Extreme's third fiscal quarter, which is typically seasonally down, was amplified this quarter by a challenging macroeconomic environment.

The downturn was particularly sudden and acute in the Americas, as an abrupt delay in customer purchase decisions directly impacted our ability to close transactions in the final weeks.

Total revenue for the quarter was $82 million, a decline of 3.6% from the year-ago quarter, with product revenues down 3.1% and service revenues down 5.8%.

From a year-to-date perspective, total revenue was up 3% for the nine-month period compared to the prior year, with product revenues at 5% and service revenues down 5%.

Our service revenue declined as anticipated.

This is primarily due to the increased mix of fixed switch products with higher quality and lower price points which have a lower maintenance service contract attach rate.

The product book-to-bill ratio was one for the quarter.

Taking a look at the sales by the markets we serve, the percent of enterprise to service provider sales for the quarter was 69% and 31% respectively.

The shift from our historical pattern of 75% and 25% was driven by a greater proportion of sales in the EMEA region, which had a higher mix of service provider sales, and several large transactions in the quarter.

I will now briefly update you on our product revenue metrics.

The ratio of stackable and modular product sales was 61% and 39% respectively, and comparable to the prior quarter.

Bookings for POE ports grew sequentially and also grew 77% from the year-ago quarter.

We expect POE ports to continue to grow based on the demand for IP telephony.

Looking at revenues on a geographic basis, U.S.

revenue was $30.1 million, down 2% from the year ago quarter.

The U.S.

demonstrated solid results for the first nine months of our fiscal year, with revenues up 13.7% compared to the prior period.

EMEA revenue, which includes our European operations and the Middle East, Africa, and South America, was $38.2 million, up 12% year over year.

For the first nine months of our fiscal year, EMEA revenues were up 2% over the prior period.

Revenue in Asia-Pacific which includes Japan, was $12.8 million compared to $19.3 million in the year-ago quarter.

As compared to the prior nine months fiscal year-to-date period , Asia-Pacific revenues were down 14%.

Asia-Pacific is the smallest geography from a revenue perspective and a few transactions can swing the quarter's results.

Revenues in other geographies, primarily North America, outside of the U.S., was $948,000 for the quarter compared to $915,000 in the year-ago quarter.

Now I would like to comment on trends affecting our gross margins, excluding the effect of stock-based compensation.

Please note that we have included in our press release a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financials.

Total non-GAAP gross margin as a percent of sales was 57.6% and up 122 basis points from the year-ago quarter.

Product non-GAAP gross margins, as a percent of revenue, was 59.9% and in line with last quarter and up 150 basis points from the year-ago quarter.

The increase in product gross margin from the year-ago quarter was primarily due to a non-recurring change in estimate of our warranty reserve of $1.4 million.

Improved product quality and lower costs associated with our quality repairs are driving benefits in lower overall warranty costs.

Service non-GAAP gross margins, as a percent of revenue, was 47.6%, which is up 310 basis points from the sequential quarter on reductions in operating cost, and down 80 basis points from the year-ago quarter.

Our non-GAAP operating expenses, which excludes stock-based compensation, were $48.3 million, a decline of $1.3 million from the prior quarter and in line with the year-ago quarter.

Note that included in operating expenses this quarter with $2.7 million in intellectual property litigation charges compared to $1.9 million in the prior quarter and $800,000 in the year-ago quarter.

Excluding the litigation expenses, operating expenses were $45.6 million, a decline of $2.1 million from the prior quarter.

Overall, we continue to expect our non-GAAP operating expenses, excluding litigation, to be in the range of $45 million to $48 million per quarter over the fiscal year.

Other income was $2.5 million and primarily includes interest on our investment portfolio.

Non-GAAP net income was $1.1 million, or $.01 per diluted share, which is equal on a per share basis compared with the year-ago quarter.

Total shares outstanding were 116.1 million.

Moving to the balance sheet.

During the quarter, we generated $5.8 million in cash from operations, primarily due to a decrease in accounts receivable in inventory.

Total of cash, cash equivalents and investments were $231 million, an increase of $4.8 million compared to the prior quarter.

Accounts receivable was $27.6 million, down $2.4 million on lower shipments.

Day sales outstanding were 30 days at quarter end, an increase of one day sequentially.

Total inventory for Q3 was $19.6 million, a decrease of $2.7 million from the prior quarter.

Inventory turns were seven for the quarter, up slightly from the prior quarter.

Total deferred revenue was $43.3 million and in line with the prior quarter.

Deferred product revenue was $4 million, up $900,000 from the prior quarter and $1.9 million from the year-ago quarter.

Deferred service revenue, including maintenance contracts, professional services and training, was $39.3 million, which compares to $40.5 million in the prior sequential quarter and $40.8 million in the year-ago quarter.

Total employees for the quarter were 829, up 15 from the prior quarter and down 59 from the year-ago quarter.

The increase in people from the prior quarter was a shift from contract to regular employees in order to reduce ongoing operating cost.

As of the end of the quarter, we held $41 million at par value of investments in auction-rate securities, all of which are AAA and A-AA rated and collateralized by student loans guaranteed by the U.S.

government.

The Company continues to classify these investments as long-term investments reported at par and believes it will ultimately recover all amounts invested in these securities, given their high credit quality.

With that I'll now turn it back over to

Thank you, Karen.

This concludes our prepared remarks and we're now ready to take your questions.

Operator?

Thank you, sir.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) And our first question comes from Rich Church with Collin Stuart, go ahead, please.

Oh, thanks.

Mark, I'm just wondering what gives you confidence that the third quarter may be an anomaly?

Are you seeing the transactions that didn't close in Q3 starting to close in the month of April?

Well, we believe that some of the transactions that didn't close in Q3 will close in Q4.

The reason we think it might be more as an anomaly is, that with three weeks of data -- of booking data, we are positive but cautious.

So far the bookings this quarter are tracking within a set of historical parameters.

However let me caution that that was a bit the same way at the start of last quarter, but so far, with three weeks, we are not seeing anything unusual.

And in the third quarter, what vertical markets did you see most of the weakness?

We have not broken it out at this point by vertical markets.

With the one exception that, as Karen mentioned, our service provider vertical was 31% of our business and in an absolute dollar terms as high as we've seen it in quite some time.

So certainly we did a fair amount of business in the telecommunications vertical, and as Karen mentioned, that's due to a couple of good deployments that are taking place in Eastern Europe, but the one I highlighted in the call was T-Com of Croatia, which is doing a fairly extensive net -- generation network deployment.

And what's the early read in the U.S.

on the new channel program?

Well as you know, the new channel program just got announced 23 days ago.

We had rolled it out in a preview just a couple of of weeks prior to our elite partners, which we call our Diamond partners.

The official rollout started on the 1st of April.

It's going to take awhile to see the read outs of that.

I'll let you know more in the upcoming calls as we begin to get better information on it.

Okay, thanks a lot.

Thank you, Richard.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Samuel Wilson with JMP Securities.

Go ahead, please.

Hey, Sam.

Thank you this is Doug Ireland for Sam Wilson.

We have a couple of calls today.

I was wondering, with the revenue per employee down and the industry in a downturn if you're looking at restructuring and if layoffs are on the table?

Yes, good question.

Currently we don't have any specific plans to do so.

Obviously, we watch expenses very carefully and you saw us, even with the lateness of the booking shift in Q3, that we were able to react very well to it and reduce our operating expenses for the quarter.

Certainly, employees are one area but there's lots of other places that we can go look.

In addition, as you know, we have employees in many parts of the world with dramatically different kinds of cost structures, so we're also mindful from a long-term point of view to deploy our headcount where it makes most sense.

So we're continuing to control expenses and -- but at the same time, I am continuing to add revenue-generating headcount in our sales force as necessary to continue to drive the business.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Phil Cusick with Bear, Stearns.

Go ahead, please.

Hi, this is Scott Thompson for Phil.

Just looking at G&A expenses, looks like there may have been a spike there I wanted to dig into that a little bit.

Anything big there?

In G&A expenses was what?

Sorry.

Looks like there may have been a bit of a spike in expense there.

Yes, Scott, let me answer that.

G&A included $2.7 million of intellectual property litigation charges in the quarter.

Okay so it's mostly litigation is where we're seeing that come from?

Right.

So you might also just point -- if we're on the topic of G&A --

We could talk a little bit about litigation and what you guys might want to expect looking into -- going into Q4.

Litigation is very tough to predict.

It's driven largely by court timing and where you happen to be in the case, but looking at where we've been over this past year, you can see that our litigation charges have been trending up over time.

So looking at the fourth quarter, we're anticipating that our intellectual property litigation card charges could go up from this quarter say $1 million to $2 million.

But the vast majority of our litigation is due to one lawsuit that we're part of and this is the quarter where we're going to trial on it, so we're watching it very carefully, but currently it's expected to be sort of the quarter.

Next question?

Our next question comes from Cobb Sadler with Deutsche Bank.

Go ahead, please.

Thanks a lot.

Just on the litigation, so up $1 million to $2 million quarter on quarter, but would that be kind of the top or could we expect it to go higher than that?

Well -- so currently, we think that will be the peak of it.

As I mentioned, we have been preparing for this for the last several quarters and as we get closer to trial, obviously a number of the things that had to take place to do that.

This is the quarter we go to trial, and hopefully once that is over the litigation charges for this particular litigation will go -- should go down significantly, so that's our current expectation at this point.

Okay.

And when you started to see the weakness two weeks prior to the end of the quarter, how did you handle it?

Did you try to scramble and offer deals or did you just say, hey, we're probably miss this quarter anyway, let's not push it, maybe let some deals slide?

Can you talk about that?

No, no, that's a good question.

No, we take making our quarters pretty seriously around here, and so I can quite assure you that the sales force was scrambling to go make things happen all across the world.

We actually have a pretty sophisticated process by which we track deals, we review them.

We have a thing called the Deal Desk.

We meet every Monday for a material period of time with each geography, attended by very senior executives of the Company ,so it is taken seriously, it's reviewed on a weekly basis and we leave -- don't leave stoned unturned no matter where we are in the quarter.

Okay.

Talking about -- moving on to Eastern Europe, is T-Com Croatia, is that -- it's a division of T-Com -- Deutsche Telekom T-Com; is that correct?

Yes, yes it is.

Okay, so what about other territories within T-Com or would you be pursuing business there?

Well, yes, it's a good question.

Clearly, our service provider business in Europe is pretty strong in general, and we have some very good sales folks that really understand that business and so we don't leave stones unturned.

In the past we've talked to you about business that we had done with Telefonica.

Today I highlighted a business that we do with Wind, the mobile carrier in Italy.

So we pursue it pretty aggressively, and as our products -- where our products fit the customer requirements we're being very successful at helping them deliver much more cost-effective networks which in turn lets them optimize their operations.

And these European deals,are -- and I guess mostly your average carrier deal, are you still pretty early innings and is there room to run there or -- my point is that we're not getting to a situation where these deals are slowing or peaked or anything like that.

We should expect a continued ramp in many of these deals that you have?

Well, look, we have customers in all sorts of stages of their life cycle, right?

Some are terminating their deploy -- they're terminating -- they're coming to the end of their current network deployment.

Doesn't mean there are going to be more.

Some of them are smack in the middle of the ramp of it and some are at the beginning phases of it, so the good news is we seem to have them throughout their life cycle, so there's the ability to modulate these things.

But we tend to take these one quarter at a time and we drive the business as we're able to get the it.

Got it, and last question.

On the 8800, the new product, do you think that's stalled any of your North American -- do you think that people are waiting the new product or do you think that didn't have any impact on the quarter?

That's a great question.

We've asked ourselves that question.

It's possible that there might have been a little bit of business at the end of the quarter that was waiting for the third generation blade.

It's tough to quantify there.

What we feel is that the new product generation is really good.

It's the third generation of a very successful platform.

The BD8800 has been around with us for awhile.

We continue to enhance that platform.

It continues to -- drives a lot of business in the mid tier and somewhat larger enterprises.

We continue to feel really good and have great things to say about that product line and we continue to invest in it.

Great.

Thanks a lot.

Thank you.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Our next question comes from Andrew Nowaczek with Piper Jaffrey.

Go ahead, please.

Hi, Mark.

Thanks for taking my call today.

Hi, Andrew.

I'm here for Troy Jensen.

We said -- we're wondering if you could provide any color on the Avaya channel, given the discontinuation of the Cajun line last quarter?

Just wondering how that ramped up.

Yes, obviously transitioning product lines takes some time.

We feel very good about our strategic relationship with Avaya.

We meet with them on an ongoing basis.

We have summits all the way up on a quarterly basis with the top level of the country.

I talk to channel partners all the time.

I was just in Asia at our Asia-Pacific partner conference about a week, week-and-a-half ago.

I visited the managing director of Avaya in India, I visited with the sales team in various parts of Asia.

Everybody's pretty excited.

We work closely together.

We explore opportunities.

that We believe between ourselves and Avaya we're able to deploy the best converge telephony solution and we continue to drive that business.

Cajun replacement will happened over the next few quarters, not the kind of thing that happens all at once, so so far so good.

The link with Avaya feels pretty good.

Okay, great, just one more question, then, too.

Regarding the X150 is that gaining the traction you expected and are you still seeing Cisco and HP as your typical competitors in that space?

Yes, the 150 continues to ramp, it's doing exactly what it was designed to do, which is to give us a sub-$1,000 price point that enables us to complete the edge of the network.

And as you see from our continued strengthen in product gross margins, it is actually -- while it may have somewhat lower margins, it helps by driving the complete network solution.

It actually overall helps us keep our enterprise margins up pretty healthy.

The important thing is, we didn't rest on our laurels with the 150.

Two weeks ago we introduced the X350, which is the gigabit companion version of the 150, and we expect great things from it, too.

It just started shipping at the beginning of the quarter, so it'll take a little bit of time to tell what's going on, but the kinds of things we were able to do in the 10-100 space with the X150 we believe that we can begin to do that now with the 350.

And if you go and look, we priced the 350 pretty aggressively in order to send a clear message to our customers that we're there to take care of, not only their core but their edge and everything in between.

Great.

Thanks, guys.

Thank you.

And our next question comes from [Ed Cheng] from B.

Riley.

Go ahead, please.

Afternoon, guys.

With the downturn in North American market are you guys seeing pricing pressure here?

Not specifically with the downturn in North America that I can tell, right?

You can only ferret out so much from the data.

The pricing pressure is like -- no different than I've been describing over the last 18 months.

It tends to be more related to deal size than it does to any generalized pricing environment today.

And so to the extent that over a period of time some of our deals tend to get larger, then as it pertains to that, that trend is about as I've described it over the last few quarters.

We do see the bigger deals tend to be more competitively fought on it.

Now, the fact that we just introduced the 350, and we introduced the X150 gives us another weapon, a lower-priced product that we could put in there to successfully fight the pricing pressure, which mostly tends to be at the edge of the network.

Okay.

And what's the likelihood of, say, Europe starting to feel the pain that we're feeling in North America here?

We've been sort of hearing some rumbling about some weakness in Europe approaching here going into the second and third quarter.

Have you guys seen anything that would alarm you?

Yes, that's a good question.

Obviously, we had a really good quarter last quarter in EMEA, they're doing great, and there's always lots of variables, right?

We've got a new management team in there and they're really executing like crazy , and so I think a lot of -- part of it is execution, but the economy seems to be in reasonable shape.

It's early to tell in Q4, based on the first three weeks.

Nothing unusual taking place in Europe that we can tell, but again, you know what it's like.

The quarters tend to be -- 50% of the quarter happens in the last four weeks.

Obviously with the way the world is -- economic macro environments are happening these days, we are just on a constant high alert watch on a day-by-day basis on what's taking place around the world.

but for now, EMEA seems to be doing

Okay, great.

With $230 million in cash on the books there, guys, any more thoughts on a share repurchase program there?

Yes, we discuss it on an ongoing basis with the board of directors.

You can rest assured that there is all of the due diligence that is required.

Just because we haven't done anything doesn't mean that there's not massive conversations and discussions at the highest levels of the Company, and obviously at the board of Directors.

At the end, it's the board's decision of exactly what to do with the cash.

We understand your input, we take it very seriously, and as things evolve, obviously we'll keep you posted.

Okay, when's the next board meeting?

Well we had one last night and the next -- we typically have a couple of them a quarter.

Okay, thanks.

So, with that the, thank all of of you for joining us this afternoon.

I want to thank once again our employees for all of their effort, especially during these volatile times.

We've made a lot of good progress at Extreme and we've positioned ourselves from even better things to come and I really look forward to speaking with you again at the next conference call.

So thank you very much.

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