European Wax Center Inc (EWCZ) 2024 Q3 法說會逐字稿

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I would now like to turn the conference over to Bethany Johns, Director of Investor Relations, ma'am.

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Good morning, everyone.

Thank you and welcome to European Wax Center's third quarter, fiscal 2024 earnings call on today's call.

David Berg will begin with a brief review of our third quarter performance and discuss our strategic priorities.

Then Stacy will provide additional details regarding our financial performance and updates to our fiscal 2024 outlook.

Following the prepared remarks.

The team will be available to take questions before we start, I would like to remind you of our legal disclaimer.

We will make certain statements today which are forward-looking within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements about the outlook of our business and other matters referenced in our earnings release issued today.

These forward-looking statements involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially, please refer to our sec filings as well as our earnings release issued today for a more detailed description of the risk factors that may affect our results.

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You will find additional information regarding these non-GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of these non-GAAP to GAAP measures in our earnings release.

A live broadcast of this call is also available on the investor relations section of our website at investors dot waxcenter dotcom.

I will now turn the call over to David Burke.

Thanks Bethany and good morning everyone.

Thank you for joining us today.

When I last spoke with you all three months ago, I had just resumed the CEO role and I shared my excitement and optimism for European Wax Center, a one of a kind brand celebrating 20 years of loyal guests, an asset light and recurring revenue model that generates strong cash flow and an undisputed leadership position in a highly fragmented industry.

As I marked 90 days back in this role, we have sharpened our focus and my enthusiasm for the brand continues.

I am also pleased our third quarter financial results were in line with our expectations.

I would like to begin today's call by sharing my assessment of European Wax Center's current state.

Our evolved priorities and recent actions taken to unlocking the full potential of this iconic brand.

Over the last three months, I've spent significant time diving deeper into the business and meeting with franchisees, corporate team members in center associates and external stakeholders including our shareholders.

Most importantly, I'm regularly meeting with our franchisee leadership, ensuring close alignment with them on both the challenges and opportunities we have as I've engaged with these key partners, three things remain clear to me.

First, our loyal guests have an enduring passion for and commitment to this brand.

Even in a challenging macroeconomic environment.

Our core guests continue to love this brand and the services they receive.

Second, we have exceptional team members who are guided by our core values and deliver unparalleled experiences for our guests.

And third, we are collaborating and aligning on key priorities to drive success for our franchise partners and the network.

As I mentioned on last quarter's call, we recognize that we have a significant opportunity to drive new guests into the brand and increase ticket growth which are inextricably linked to improving unit economics and financial returns for our franchise partners.

Ultimately, this will enable us to deliver thoughtful growth for European Wax Center, thereby creating long term value for both our franchisees and stakeholders.

To this end.

During Q3, we narrowed our focus deliberately pausing the expansion of our laser hair removal pilot and reallocating resources to our core out of home Waxing business.

We continue to be excited about lasers' potential to further enhance four wall economics.

And we are taking this opportunity to reflect refine and improve our laser test in New York as we evaluate when and how to roll it out more broadly.

In addition, we've made personnel changes to better align our teams with our priorities.

I now have direct responsibility for our development and operations functions.

We reorganized our commercial and operations departments and we elevated team members with extensive center level experience into critical operational roles.

Our restructured organization prioritizes our attention on our core business to drive performance improvements in our key focus areas.

I briefly introduced these areas during our last earnings call as a reminder, they are first attracting new guests, second, increasing tickets by retaining and reactivating existing guests and third, improving the productivity of underperforming centers.

Today, I would like to take you through more details on the action plans that we have put in place for each.

I'll start with attracting new guests.

We recently announced our partnership with Delaro Digital who is beginning to overhaul our guest acquisition and engagement strategies through a pay for performance structure.

We have closely aligned their financial outcomes with our own.

The Delaro team in concert with our internal resources has hit the ground running and will assist us in two primary ways over the coming months.

First, helping us insource many of our marketing activities that are currently performed by third parties which we will expect will make us more efficient.

We are in the process of streamlining our vendor partnerships and retainer relationships to bring that work in house, which should enable us to redeploy more of our marketing funds towards working media in 2025 with the goal of reaching more guests and driving them into our centers.

Second, Delaro plans to enhance our technology capabilities, elevate our data utilization and refine our measurement practices to make us significantly more effective in the near term.

We are working closely with Delaro to evaluate test and improve everything from creative assets to email execution, SS MS delivery to KP I reporting.

Going forward, we expect to improve media, buying and performance measurement using revamp creative and dynamic content across channels to drive engagement from both new and existing guests.

We are also evaluating other new guest drivers including our referral programs and influencer partnerships.

Given the team at Delas track record of delivering significant improvements at other customer facing organizations.

We look forward to implementing their solutions and providing an update in the coming quarters.

In terms of our second focus area, increasing tickets, Delas expertise in CRM, guest segmentation and predictive insights should help us reactivate guests who have lapsed over time.

We plan to better leverage our data to build tailored content recommendations and promotions based on customer preferences and behaviors.

Once these messages are fully architected, we will have the ability to deliver highly personalized iterations across email, direct mail, mobile web and S MS channels, analyzing their effectiveness and optimizing as we go.

This is an area of opportunity that I'm incredibly excited about and I have confidence that we have found the right partner to help us execute on it to retain guests and keep them coming back.

Our field training teams in concert with our franchisee partners are intent on delivering a consistently phenomenal guest experience.

Each guest interaction is an opportunity to create lasting impressions and foster brand loyalty through revamped guest journey mapping.

We have identified the touch points that matter most to the guests and supplied these insights to the network to create additional value for both the center and the guest.

Our field operations team also continues to provide hands on support with the goal of elevating four wall performance.

I'm spending time in centers and have been an active listener on center manager calls where they share best practices.

Ensure focus on key deliverables and align on how best to delight our guests.

Listening to our amazing center managers reinforces the love, commitment and energy these leaders have for the EWC brand.

As we move forward, field operations will continue their efforts to drive improved dollars per ticket wax, pass, sales, product purchases and other KPIS evolving as needed to ensure we best support our franchisees and four wall profitability.

Turning to our third focus area, improving the productivity of underperforming centers.

We know there are some lagging centers in the network that could benefit from hands on operational and marketing assistance.

As part of our organizational restructure, we established a dedicated cross functional team to diagnose and support these centers with operating procedures and local marketing strategies designed to drive tickets, increase productivity and ultimately mitigate potential closures.

We are also in the early stages of deploying the learnings from our new center opening playbook in these centers which we believe can drive top line and accelerate their ramp to maturity.

As a reminder, we rolled out the new playbook earlier this year and we are encouraged that recent 2024 new centers are outperforming previous cohorts.

Ultimately, we believe these are the right key focus areas and near term actions that will best position us to enhance ticket growth and franchisee economics and existing centers and therefore, pave the way for us to return to consistent new center openings.

Turning now to my assessment of new unit growth, as I mentioned earlier, I assumed responsibility for the development function during the fourth quarter.

As I've dug into the business further, we have intensified a comprehensive review of both our existing network and our pipeline.

And in the process identified additional centers at risk of closing.

We continue to work closely with franchisee partners as they consider closures for a variety of reasons.

Ongoing macro challenges impacting new guest acquisition and top line performance higher than expected cost pressures, portfolio optimization or exploration of lease terms or licenses with increased visibility, strong leadership and an expanded team now in place, we are taking decisive action.

The team is currently implementing more rigorous processes to manage the portfolio such as proactively tracking upcoming license expirations and renewals, better monitoring, franchisee, financial health and reevaluating market planning.

They are also assessing near term development plans including renegotiating certain multiunit development agreements.

Lastly, we expect to recruit qualified new franchisees who are attracted to our model and its solid returns relative to other concepts taken together, we believe these efforts will ensure we have the strongest operators to support our future growth while mitigating long term closure risk for fiscal 2024 we continue to have full confidence in opening 43 gross new centers which was the basis for our previous guidance from a net opening standpoint.

There have been 16 center closures year-to-date and we expect an additional 5 to 10 closures by end of year translating to 17 to 22 net new center openings in 2024 overall.

While we do foresee an above average closure for this year, we expect the rate to be less than 3% of our existing footprint of 1,064 centers while it is too early to give guidance for 2025.

At this time, we do expect to have positive new openings on a gross basis for next year.

We remain in active dialogue with our franchisee partners as we work to address near term macro related constraints, grow tickets and realign the business to its full potential.

As a result, we believe closures may have the potential to more than offset unit growth on a net basis in 2025.

And we expect to provide further details during our fourth quarter earnings call in March, I want to emphasize that we remain committed to long term sustainable, reliable and consistent net unit growth.

We believe that the review of our network will leave us best positioned to capitalize on the significant white space available for European Wax Center's continued expansion.

As we look ahead, one thing is certain, our franchisees have helped make us the undisputed leader in out of home.

Waxing.

We recognize the value of maintaining a close connection with them and we are taking action to drive ticket growth best support our network and achieve our collective priorities.

As I wrap up my prepared remarks I want to summarize my first three months back in the CEO seat.

I've listened intently to our teams and our franchise partners go deep into the business to evaluate our strengths and opportunities to find our key focus areas and updated our teams and external partners to align with those priorities.

During this time, we also delivered on our financial expectations for the third quarter.

We look forward to beginning to implement marketing and technology solutions designed to attract new guests and deepen guest engagement.

Further refined field operations to support guest retention and deploy focused actions expected to improve the performance of our underperforming centers.

We believe these initiatives will be instrumental in improving existing center productivity and unit economics and ultimately to resuming thoughtful unit growth.

This is both a transitional and pivotal time for European Wax Center and I'm excited for what's to come as we build upon the deep love for this brand shared by our guests, franchisees and associates.

It is our commitment to you that above all, we will remain guided by our values and relentlessly focused on driving new guests reactivating and retaining existing guests and converting them to brand loyalists, improving our financial performance and expanding our leadership position while it will take us time to do so and achieve our goals.

We will not stop, we will keep accelerating forward and we remain confident in the European Wax Center brand and its long term growth potential.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Stacy Shirley to discuss our Q3 financial performance and guidance for the rest of the year, Stacy.

Thank you, David.

Before I begin my remarks, I'd like to remind everyone that in some instances I will speak to adjusted metrics on this call.

You can find reconciliation tables to the most comparable GAAP figures in our press release and 10-Q filed with the SEC today note that our third quarter reflects an out of period balance sheet adjustment related to intangible assets.

Further details are contained in our 10-Q as a reminder, both fiscal years 2022 and 2023 included a 53rd week, but fiscal 2024 returns to a 52 week year.

Now let's begin with our third quarter results.

As David noted our financial performance was in line with the revised expectations we provided on our earnings call in August, we ended Q3 with 1,064 centers representing a 3.7% growth year over year.

We had 12 gross openings during the quarter offset by seven closures resulting in a net add of five new centers system wide sales were relatively flat at 240.2 million compared to 240.7 million in the same quarter.

Last year, total revenue of 55.4 million decrease half a percentage point primarily due to guests pulling back on retail products in a challenged macro environment.

Same store sales also decrease half a percentage point compared to a 3.4% increase in the same quarter last year and year-to-date same store sales are flat as expected cost savings continue to drive gross margin which increased 110 basis points versus the same quarter last year to 72.9% SG&A expenses including approximately $3 million of non routine expenses related to executive severance reorganization and return to office efforts and a prospective debt offering that we decided not to pursue in the third quarter.

These non routine expenses were the primary driver of a 21.6% year over year increase to $17.5 million.

Advertising expenses increased $300,000 or 70 basis points to $8.4 million due to our planned efforts to drive traffic and the timing of seasonal campaign costs adjusted EBD A of 18.4 million decreased 4.4% from 19.3 million in the prior year period.

And adjusted ed.

A margin decreased to 33.2% from 34.6%.

With continued favorability from interest income net interest expense decreased to 6.3 million from 6.5 million last year.

Income tax expense decreased to $800,000 from $1.8 million last year as our effective tax rate improved to 28.7% from 30% and adjusted net income decreased to $5.5 million.

Turning to the balance sheet, we ended Q3 with $48 million in cash net cash provided by operating activities was $14.8 million compared to approximately $60,000 in investing outflows, which highlights one of our biggest strengths, the ability to generate strong free cash flow through our asset light capital light model.

Even in a softer consumer environment.

During the quarter, we deployed $20.1 million of that cash flow to repurchase class A shares.

Once again demonstrating our conviction in the underlying value of our business and its long term potential.

At quarter end, we had approximately 20 million remaining under our $50 million share repurchase authorization.

A fully undrawn $40 million revolver and $391 million outstanding under our senior secured notes.

Net debt was 4.5 times trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA.

Our strong liquidity position gives us the continued flexibility to consider share repurchases dividends and debt pay down on an ongoing basis.

We are also evaluating the potential to use our balance sheet to purchase select units from franchisees.

As always, we remain committed to financial discipline and stewardship as we consider these opportunities.

Turning now to our outlook for the balance of 2024.

As David mentioned, our financial performance continues to trend in line with our latest expectations.

And as a result, we are reiterating our financial outlook for fiscal 2024.

We expect system wide sales of 930 to 950 million revenue of 216 to 221 million and same store sales of negative 1.5% to positive 0.5% from a guest standpoint.

We are encouraged that our core guests remain committed to our brand and continue to represent approximately 75% of network sales.

We're less than halfway through our semi annual wax pass promotional period, but we are pleased with the growth in wax pass sales so far, which is a positive indicator of future guest loyalty and frequency.

In contrast, the challenging macro environment has had a notable impact on our ability to attract new guests and increased tickets.

David outlined our key focus areas and the action plans we have in place to enable stronger ticket growth and we look forward to implementing our new strategies in the coming quarters from a profit standpoint, we continue to expect gross margin will improve to approximately 73% for fiscal 2024.

And our full year outlook remains 70 to 74 million of adjusted EBD A and 19 to 22 million of adjusted net income.

Keep in mind these adjusted metrics exclude approximately $3 million in third quarter SG&A expenses related to the executive transitions return to office efforts and the debt refinancing that we elected to terminate However, these metrics do include up to $4 million of expenses related to our laser hair removal pilot.

There was no change to our expectations for interest expense of $26.5 million and an effective tax rate of 25% before discrete items.

Finally, in terms of new centers, as David mentioned, we continue to expect 43 gross new openings this year of which 35 are already open as we continue to manage a dynamic closure environment and review our network portfolio.

We expect 17 to 22 net new center openings in fiscal 2024.

Before we open the call for Q&A, I'd like to take a moment to focus on the long term opportunity that remains central to European Wax Center.

Our commitment to driving new guests supporting our franchise partners and generating long term shareholder returns is unwavering.

Even in a challenging environment.

Our business generates significant cash flow and our asset light model gives us the flexibility to consider various opportunities to drive value for guests franchisees and shareholders.

We continue to have a long runway of growth in front of us in an unmatched leadership position in a highly fragmented industry.

And as David noted, we have taken decisive action towards fulfilling our clear vision for the future of this enduring brand.

We look forward to executing on our focus areas and updating you on our progress in the coming months.

We now like to turn the call over for questions, operator.

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Yeah, our first question will come from the line of Randy Koic with Jeffrey.

Your line is open.

Yeah.

Good morning and thank you for taking the questions.

And David, I appreciate, you know, the, the approach here.

It's kind of, you, you're, you're kind of being thoughtful, you're, you're taking a step back, you know, you're reflecting on the strategies and involving them as that function.

You know, obviously it, it feels like there's some kind of units that are at risk.

Is there anything that is common that you're seeing in those units that, you know, is, is different and perhaps the way units were opened or the or the real estate locations were chosen in the most in the last couple of years versus, you know, five years ago or something like that.

What, what are you seeing that is different in that, that, that's causing that underperformance and maybe location or something else that, that could, you could give us some more, you know, color on.

Thanks.

Yeah.

Hey, Randy, good morning.

Thanks for the question.

I don't, you know, I don't think this is a real estate issue.

There's, there's probably of the 16 closures that we've had year-to-date, you know, that there's maybe an instance or two where it was just a bad pick on real estate.

I think this is really much more around the, the macroeconomic conditions that our franchisees have been facing.

So some, you know, certainly higher, higher than expected rent and wage costs in certain areas.

You know, folks coming up to the expiration of their leases or licenses and they just elected not to renew, given kind of elevated costs and a more difficult macroeconomic pressure and just, or, or potentially a desire to relocate to a different trade area.

You know, sometimes where we got multi unit owners, they're just optimizing their portfolio.

So I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't pin it on real estate.

I think what we're doing, Randy, you're, you're sort of, is it just my digging in a lot deeper with the current leadership and the development team to ensure we've got better visibility to what's coming at us, looking at the financial health of our franchisees, seeing when licenses are going to expire, and working with, you know, to be crystal clear, our, our strong desire is to work with our existing franchisees to renegotiate multi unit development agreements where that makes sense.

And I think it's, it still continues to be an attractive model that, we're, we're very pleased where we've seen franchisees step in and take on transfers.

And we also believe that there will be an interest of folks outside of the system, given the attractive returns that we have at the end of the day.

You know, it all comes back to what we've talked about in terms of our priorities, which is we have to drive more new guests and we have to improve tickets for, for our franchisees and that will drive drive the, the overall four wall profitability, which is our key focus for our, for our franchisees.

Thank you one moment.

Oh, go ahead, Randy.

And you're kind of coming in and out.

We can't hear you.

Now, Randy.

Our next question will come from the line of Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group.

I just circling back to the to the units that are being closed as you go through your franchisee network.

It is there, are there more that you'd like to close?

Are there any metrics that are defining around those that you want close and then opening new centers?

Is there any reframing of what you'd like to look for?

And then secondly, franchise terms and franchise terms are those at all changing in this landscape?

And what are you seeing from your customers regionally?

How's California performing?

What did you see and wax pass members versus not?

How would you calibrate the consumer out there for European wax?

Thank you.

Dana, I always love that you get four questions in and your one question.

So we'll try to try to dissect those.

Let me, let me take it sort of in reverse order from a franchise agreement standpoint.

We, we, we don't anticipate any, any material change in the, the franchise agreement that we have with our, our franchisees today.

Your question around sort of, you know, units being closed and would we like units to be closed?

Obviously, we want, you know, our, our preference is that that units stay open and they, they ramp successfully and they, they get to the, the kind of, you know, mid 10s, low 20% 4 wall ebida margins that incense our franchisees to reinvest in, in the system.

And, and we've certainly historically been very fortunate that our growth has come from our current franchise ebay.

So that's our goal and again, back to why we're focused on driving new guests and increase tickets into the, into the system.

I, I think the, in, in terms of our behavior of our guests, our, our core guest has, has behaved the same and this has really been pre COVID post COVID tougher macroeconomic situation.

That core guest still accounts for 75% of our, of our revenue.

And that recurring revenue model is one of the strongest aspects of the business model that we have here regionally.

I think that, you know, California, as we talked about even last quarter that, you know, they have seen higher costs there, particularly in rent and labor.

And there's been a, so that's been a little bit of a pressure on the, on the production or productivity of the California centers.

You know, one of the things that I'm sure we'll, we'll get asked about is pricing.

We continue to think about, are there places where we could take price?

Do that in a, in a way that makes sense, the elasticity studies that, that might help those franchisees see a little bit of a little bit of improvement given those higher costs particularly in California.

I I think the only thing I would add, you mentioned Wax pass.

Dana.

So the only thing there is we, as we mentioned on the call, we're about halfway through the Wax Pass promo for, you know, season and so far we're pleased with what we've seen.

And again, just kind of its that core guest continues to be very, very loyal and I think as you know, an indication of, of the future growth as it relates to those wax passes, they continue to, to increase.

Thank you.

Thanks Dana.

Thank you one moment for our next question and that will come from the line of Jonathan Comp with Baird.

Your line is open.

Yeah, good morning.

Thank you.

David, could you maybe just follow up and share a little bit more of your current thoughts on sort of the range of outcomes for net unit growth in 2025.

I know, I know you gave your some directional color and, and, and just as a follow up, given that, I think it's 98% of your openings of the past few years have come from an existing franchisees.

Can you give any more insight on, on the infrastructure in place to attract more franchisees and you know, the success rate so far or the lead time that, that you might need to do so?

Yeah, so, so John on 2025 what what we just wanted to be clear about is that we do continue to expect that we will have new openings on a gross basis.

What we we we talked about in my prepared remarks was that given sort of the dynamic environment that we're in closures could exceed gross openings next year and it's possible that we would have a net negative number.

We're not, we'll give we'll give more specific guidance on that.

When we announce Q4 in, in early March.

So that's probably as far as we're going on on that guidance, John, I, I think on the the the we've been very fortunate as I, as I mentioned in my response to question, but our growth has come from our current franchisee base.

Again, our strong preference is that we, we have discussions with our current franchisees that have signed multi unit development agreements or that want to grow with us and continue to do that.

We've got to readjust those, that's, that's work that's going on right now with, within our development team.

With respect to bringing on new franchisees, this is still an attractive model given the returns that you have, from a four wall standpoint, the cost of the cost of entry, the cash on cash returns.

And we have hired in the last month, a couple of new folks on that development team that will specifically be working with both our current franchisees, but also, you know, talking with other folks about coming into the system.

So a little bit too early given that they have just and ramped up here in the last 30 days.

But, but the discipline around our new growth is, is, is front and center and we want to make sure that we, as I said in my prepared remarks that we're consistent, it's reliable and we're thoughtful about how we grow the, the unit count going forward.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

And just as a follow up David or, or Stacy, If, if in a scenario where units don't grow in 2025 just could you give any thoughts at a high level, how you plan to balance preserving the overall profitability of the organization versus, you know, keeping, keeping the growth infrastructure in place for, for the longer term opportunity.

Thanks again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Thanks for the question.

What I'd say for, you know, obviously we haven't given any guidance and that will, you know, certainly impact on the overall results.

But when we look at anything below sales, we think about our gross margin, you know, we've shown some tremendous increase or, you know, growth this year.

And so there's no reason we would think that that would change, you know, we should be able to sustain that level that's coming in around 73 basis points.

And then from a cost perspective, you know, we will we don't require a lot, you know, once we start to lever, we will leverage our, our cost structure as we get the top line growing.

But don't expect to see any, you know, increases that would be and put us in a position to necessarily deleverage, but more more to come when we report our Q4 results as it relates to 2025.

Thank you one moment for our next question.

And that will come from the line of Ken Wolfmeyer with Piper Sandler.

Your line is open.

Hey, good morning team.

Thanks for taking the question.

Not to harp on the unit growth too much, but maybe could you provide a little bit of color on some of the criteria you're using to assess if a unit is worth closing or not?

If it's not the franchisee making that ultimate decision.

Just what metrics are you looking at?

And then at what point would you consider, you know, using your, your cash to bring some of these units under the corporate umbrella?

Thanks.

Yeah.

Hey, Ken, good morning.

We, we have a closure policy, and we want to work closely with our franchisees to talk to them about where there are opportunities within their P&L that we can be helpful.

If there are areas that you know, where we could add additional support or training, we do that, we certainly are, are monitoring the the potential at risk and, and closure list with a lot more robustness really, really starting in the, in the last the last 30 days or so to make sure that we've got better visibility to that so that we can work with our franchisees to either, you know, help them stay open or in the event that they have to close, potentially look for someone to transfer that to or if, if the ultimate decision is they have to close that, that we've got awareness to that and we can do that in a thoughtful way.

The on, on, on using the balance sheet.

I mean, listen, we're, this is a great model as you know, that generates a lot of cash flow.

One of the things that we do think about is is using some of our cash to buy up franchisees that might want to close.

We're going to do that again in a thoughtful manner.

We always want to make sure that we are an asset light model.

But we do, we've got opportunities to deploy cash in, in, in places that make the most sense and given, given kind of the attractive overall returns.

There may be instances where that absolutely does make sense.

Great.

Thank you.

And then maybe can you touch a little bit on interest from perspective, franchisees wanting to come into the European Wax group, you know, is there opportunity to pass on these closing units to, you know, additional interested for potential franchisees?

And is that something that you started to do, is something that we could think about into 2025 and 2026 as a way to keep that unit growth still up?

Yeah, really, really early days, Corinne, but, and I think there's, there's two, I think we've certainly seen interest from our current franchisees where and, and great partners that have said, hey, here's a franchisee that might want to exit or is struggling a little bit and, and oftentimes we're able to have a transfer to a stronger operator that, that takes on those those centers.

That's a great result for, for all of us.

And I think just again reinforces the belief that our franchisees have in the current system again, very early days about sort of, you know, soliciting or talking to folks that want to come into the system.

But the, you know, the early, early early read is that given again, the, the, the low cost of entry and the returns that you can have in, in our, in our, in our business model that we expect that we can attract folks where these returns are better than other franchise concepts.

Great.

Thank.

You.

Thank you one moment for our next question and that will come from the line of Simeon Gutman with Morgan Stanley.

Your line is open.

Hi, this is Lauren on for Simon.

I guess in the press release, you, you mentioned enhancing, you know, unit economics.

I was wondering if you could maybe expand or elaborate on this a little bit.

Is this maybe because the business has seen, you know, comps or declines just can you give more color on how unit economics are performing relative to your expectations?

Thank you.

Yeah, II I think Lauren thanks for the question.

I, I think this is really our as we look at those key focus areas right about driving new guests, driving more tickets.

That's going to, that's going to increase the overall productivity from a four wall standpoint.

So I I just want to make sure everybody understands that our job here is the as the franchisor and the corporate team is to be the, the customer service department for our franchisees to help them perform at, at, at four, at four wall.

I think that the, the partnership with the lava is really focused on doing just what you've talked about.

How do we more, more revenue generation that is through driving new guests where we're getting a lot smarter about our creative, how we buy media, how we place, how we, how we message to both new and existing guests.

So all kind of all those focus areas that we've talked about that, that there aren't 10 of them.

It's really those two or three that we're hyper focused on and have reallocated resources to address is to do just what you said, which is to continue to enhance our our, our productivity at the four at a, at a four wall basis.

Great.

Thank you.

And then my follow up is just, you mentioned, the core guests remain, you know, committed to the brand.

I guess.

How should we think about the base of the core guests specifically?

Are you pleased with maybe the retention of the cohort and also just any color on on laps guests?

Thank you.

Sure, I'll start and then David can add.

Yeah.

So as we said, you know, that core guest continues to be, you know, about 75% of our system wide sales.

So we're pleased with that, that routines have not changed.

And so they've proven to be a very loyal, loyal guest for us.

And so we're, we're, we're pleased with that.

Certain, pleased with so far with how our wax pass promo is going.

So that piece of it is good as well, the issue that we have and as we talked about and the challenge is really bringing a new guest to the center.

And so those are the initiatives that that we spoke about specifically around marketing, as well as the the the operations team to help drive additional guests into center, which will then overall help overall kind of continue to fill the funnel and grow that core.

Guest.

Yeah.

And if you think about that journey, it's us driving that core guest and then a real hyper focus from our, our operations team on making sure that the guest experience once they're in the center is, is amazing so that we attain that guest and then those laps guests that we talked about that haven't visited us in a period of time being more specific with really hyper personalized marketing and CRM efforts to bring them back into the center again once they get there, ensuring that that with the partnership with our franchisees that they're, they're getting an amazing guest experience.

So we convert them into a wax pass holder into that core guest that drives that recurring revenue.

Great.

Thank you.

Thank you one moment for our next question.

And that will come from the line of John Heinbockel with Guggenheim.

Your line is open.

Hey, I wanted to start with underperforming centers.

You think that that number is less than 5% of the network.

Is that, is that fair?

I don't know.

And I don't know what percent you're working on at any, at any one point in time.

And then when you think about non revenue ways to improve the economic model, right?

You know, there are ways to, I think about, you know, ca capital cost and, or labor.

But the catch 22 being right with this, with the wax specialist, you can't cut back on that too much, right?

So, so you gotta address wax specialist productivity.

How how do you think about doing that?

Yeah, so John, I think part part of underperforming, you know, is definitional, right?

But if we think about stores that are probably negative ebita, it's a it's a small percentage less, you know, 10 10% or so of mature of mature centers.

And, and again, we continue to work with them about how to, how to enhance that, that profitability.

I mean, your your non revenue questions is a is a really good one.

As, as I, I think there's a couple of things from a from a cost of the box standpoint, you know, we continue to look at ways how do we make opening a new center and the construction of that more affordable so that we can we can get the ramp faster and get the break even faster and, and drive those cash on cash return.

So that work continues to go on again in concert with our franchisees.

Labor is we, we've called out specifically, you know, labor continues to be a challenge as we, as we look at particularly high, high cost states like California or regions like, you know, the, the, the Northwest Seattle and, and, and Portland and those areas.

And as I mentioned, John, that, that, you know, pricing is an area that we've got to be conscious of that, that can help us offset some of those those costs that our franchisees are, are, are looking at.

But I, I keep coming back to sort of what, what our real opportunity is to drive new guests into the system.

And then once we get them there to make sure that we retain them and reactivate those guests that haven't been there.

So that, that truly is our hyper focus the help of GLA and what they're doing.

You know, we feel confident we're going to see, we're going to get traction doing that.

And that's, that's that, that's really the, that, that flywheel that'll get us, get us moving back to the, the, the thoughtful growth that we, we talk about.

And do you think just as a follow up to that, is it too early to, to think about?

Right.

You had an al go a couple of years ago to think, does that all goes, does that still apply?

You know, has it changed a little bit and if it still applies, you know, we kind out, you know, it's certainly not 25 but it's sort of 26 when you or some part of 26.

Do you see that starting to manifest itself or do, do we know.

I, I think at this point, we're really not in a place to provide that guidance as we talked about, we're really just very focused on the thoughtful growth.

And, and doing that right?

And also the three things that, you know, that, that David just talked about attracting new guests, increasing tickets and improving the productivity.

So at this point, I don't think that we can say, you know, 25 is, is we'll, we'll know more in the coming weeks.

But there's no reason that we don't believe that we won't be able to get back to that in, in the future.

We have a lot of white space in front of us.

We have a lot of franchisees that are very supportive and still excited about the brand.

And so that's what we're focused on.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

As a reminder.

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Our next question will come from the line of Melanie Nunez with Bank of America.

Your line is open.

Hi, good morning.

Thanks for taking my question.

I wanted to ask just on promotional, you know, efforts.

I know you're in the middle of the wax pass semi annual.

Can you talk about any new efforts on the promotional front?

You know, I think you did a six plus two in the past, you know, in California and then you've done some other limited time ones for college students.

So just anything new to call out or will that be more of a factor after?

You know, some of these initiatives elaborate come through?

Yeah, I think Melanie, it was thanks.

Thanks for the question.

We as you know, we have the, the semi annual Wax pass sale where the nine plus two becomes a nine plus three.

That, that continues to be a great driver for us as, as Stacy talked about in her prepared remarks, even though we're kind of four weeks, you just four weeks into this, this this promotional period, very pleased with the early results of our Wax Pass sales.

In, in, in the past 30 days, we are not a discount brand, right?

And we're not going to rely on sort of promotions and discounts.

One of the things that we worked.

We're working with our marketing subcommittee of our franchise advisory council is to have real clear around what our 2025 promotional calendar looks like.

So we'll continue to, to use those, those promotions that we know drive drive profitability at at a four wall standpoint.

And I think that lens is incredibly important that we keep that in mind that any promotion that we run, that we both have a franchisor and franchisee lens on it.

And we'll continue to use LT Os and limited time offers in, in product to, to enhance excitement and bring in the guests to make additional purchases.

But I don't think that our, our overall promotional mentality is going to change.

It's just we're going to have better clarity around it, make sure that we've got the, the, the, the support of our franchisee system and understand the impact from them clearly, you know, with the LA coming in again, that, that better insight into what our guests want to see what, what the pricing impacts might be.

That that's going to be incredibly helpful as we, as we move forward.

Got it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

One moment for our next question.

We do have a follow up question from Randy KIC with Jeffrey.

Your line is open.

Hey, thanks and sorry for the phone issues earlier.

I just wanted to David back to you.

I wanted to kind of just get your perspective on, you know, as we're, we're focusing on the near term here and this reset with items.

Just give us your thoughts just on the long term TAM, you still have an industry that's fragmented.

You're the largest branded player.

You know, how do you want us to think about that be on the store side.

And, and, and if it's the same, is there any changes or, or not, let us know and, and just if it is the same, any changes in terms of how you think about where those pins are put in the ground, perhaps less in California.

I don't know.

I just want to get your perspective on how we should be thinking about long term.

As obviously, you know, the next couple couple quarters is going to be kind of written off.

And, and is already reflected in the stock.

Just give us your perspective long term there.

Thanks.

Yeah, Randy, I think I would start with the business model is absolutely still solid, right?

We, we feel great about the that recurring revenue model that, that, that we talk about, you know, quite often from a, from a TAM standpoint, still still believe in the opportunity that we have in the us that it's still robust.

We still like the fact that we are the leader, you know, six times bigger in terms of unit count than the next biggest competitor, 11 times bigger in terms of system wide sales.

And, and, and our, our modality continues to grow at a, at a gagger that we're very, we're very pleased with.

We think that the white space is, is still there, that we've got plenty of room to grow.

Continue to be as we talk about ran thoughtful growth to make sure that we're doing that in a way that as we open new centers, they can ramp and, and be and be successful.

And that's really our focus is, is to have that thoughtful, consistent, reliable growth as we go forward.

So we again, feel great about leadership position in a category that dominated by mom and pops highly fragmented.

You know, get much smarter and better in terms of our, our working media spend with, with our partnership with the la that we can put more of those dollars to work, make the investments in in the guest experience from a technology standpoint that candidly our competitor set can't do.

You know, we, we, we didn't get a question about Laser Day, but you know, we also are going to, you know, continue to test that in, in our New York Centers.

We think that's another place where both the brand and our guest gives us permission.

So we're going to look at modalities that that makes sense for us and our guest gives us permission to do.

We, we, we continue to feel good about the, the opportunities running from an overall market standpoint and, and white space.

Helpful.

Thanks guys.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

And we do have a follow up question from Jonathan Comp with Baird.

Thanks just to squeeze two follow ups here, David.

I'm wondering if you could talk about or, or quantify the working media budget in 2025.

Could that, could that be up year over year just given some of the changes you mentioned?

And then Stacy just to confirm, sorry if I missed this.

Have you, have you already purchased any corporate units from franchisees?

And if you have or if you do, could you just remind us how that would flow through the income statement?

Thanks again.

So let me start with that.

That's an, that's an easy one at this point in time.

No, we have not purchased any units.

We've had transfers, you know, to our franchisees, which is always kind of our first, you know, course.

But at this point, no, we have not purchased any.

And John on, on the marketing fund, as you know, the, the franchisees, we're the, we're the stewards of franchisees 3% contribution.

They, they clearly and, and we should spend that money in a way that's most effective.

We do think there's an opportunity for us to improve that in terms of more dollars towards working media.

We've got kind of the first cut at that talking with our franchisee group about how to do that.

And, and I think we, we can see some you know, fairly, fairly significant improvement in that year, over year.

Part of what we talked about was bringing, you know, some of this work in house being more efficient.

Some of the classic retainer kind of relationships.

We will, we will move away from those and, and really redeploy those dollars into working media, which is good for good for us as a franchisor is certainly good for, for our franchisee system as well.

Got it.

That's helpful.

Thank you both.

Thanks again.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time.

I would now like to turn the call over to Mr David Berg for closing remarks.

Hey, thanks everybody for, for listening in today and we'll, we'll certainly look forward to talking to you in the, in the coming days and weeks and, and more to follow when we talk about Q4 in early March.

Thank you all very much.

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