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  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Equitrans Midstream Q2 2020 Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions) Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Nate Tetlow. Thank you. Please go ahead.

  • Nathan Tetlow - VP of Corporate Development & IR

  • Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Call for Equitrans Midstream Corporation. A replay of this call will be available for 14 days beginning this evening. The phone number for the replay is 800-585-8367 or 416-621-4642. The conference ID is 8447957.

  • Today's call may contain forward-looking statements related to future events and expectations. Factors that could cause the actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements are listed in today's news release, and under Risk Factors in ETRN's Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2019, which is filed with the SEC and as updated by ETRN's quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the 3 months ended June 30, 2020, to be filed with the SEC and any subsequent Form 10-Qs. Today's call may also contain certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to this morning's news release and our investor presentation for important disclosures regarding such measures including reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP financial measure.

  • On the call today are Tom Karam, Chairman and CEO; Diana Charletta, President and Chief Operating Officer; Kirk Oliver, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Justin Macken, Senior Vice President, Gas Systems Planning and Engineering; and Brian Pietrandrea, Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer.

  • After the prepared remarks, we will open the call to questions. With that, I'll turn it over to Tom.

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Thanks, Nate, and good morning, everyone. I hope you all are continuing to stay safe in these difficult times. We remain extremely grateful to the frontline health care and essential workers for their tireless efforts. For us, the dedication and professionalism of our workforce has never wavered. Our field and gas control teams haven't missed a beat. We're continuing to operate and maintain. Our assets in our various back office groups continue to execute while working from home. This dedication is reflected in our financial and operational results for the quarter, which came in at the high end of our guidance range. Kirk will give you the details in a few minutes.

  • Let's begin with our corporate simplification. In mid-June, we completed the final step of our simplification plan with the acquisition of EQM. E-Train is now a single C-Corp with several key attributes. First, E-Train stable cash flow profile allows us to be resilient in this or any environment. Second, we are focused on delevering and strengthening our balance sheet. Third, deploying capital efficiently is core to our business, and our recent gathering agreement with EQT provides meaningful capital efficiency. And last, we remain confident that we will get MVP over the goal line in early 2021.

  • Putting all of this together, our long-term strategy is designed to consistently generate substantial free cash flow, allocate our capital and free cash flow with discipline and deliver maximum value to our shareholders.

  • It is also important that we operate responsibly. And one of our primary goals is to be among the leading ESG companies in the midstream sector. For E-Train, ESG management practices are intrinsic and deliver value that goes beyond financial drivers. And I am pleased to announce that we released our first annual Corporate Sustainability Report last week, which was produced in accordance with GRI's core reporting disclosures and also incorporated the SASB oil and gas midstream standards. This report is an important reflection of our accomplishments, our commitments and future endeavors, highlighting the importance of maintaining trust and transparency among all of our stakeholders.

  • I'll now turn it over to Diana, who will provide an operations update, then Kirk will provide a financial update, and I'll come back for some closing remarks before we open the line to questions.

  • Diana?

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • Thanks, Tom, and good morning, everyone. Let's start with MVP. Over the last several weeks, significant legal and regulatory progress have been made. On June 15, the Supreme Court of the United States reversed a lower court decision regarding the Forest Services Authority to grant a right-of-way to cross the Appalachian Trail. This positive ruling clears the path for MVP's Appalachian Trail crafting. MVP expects a new biological opinion will be issued shortly, at which point, certain forward construction activities will resume upon approval from FERC.

  • Following the biological opinion, we expect to receive the Nationwide Permit 12 from the Army Corp., which combined with FERC's approval, will allow the water body crossing activities to resume.

  • Lastly, we expect to receive the right-of-way permit for the Jefferson National Forest in the fourth quarter, allowing us to complete the 3.7 miles of forest work. We continue to target an early 2021 full in-service date for MVP.

  • Based on the project's current overall budget of approximately $5.4 billion, E-Train expects to fund approximately $2.7 billion of the overall cost. It is possible, however, that total project costs could increase by approximately 5% due to potential construction plan adjustments associated with judicial and regulatory outcomes.

  • E-Train expects that it may be required to fund approximately $175 million related to the potential cost increase. There is a significant amount of demand for gas in the Southeast, and we believe MVP will play a critical role in meeting these demands. MVP provides direct access to the largest natural gas-producing region in the country and offers pipeline diversity for potential demand-pull customers. We feel the probability of an MVP compression expansion is higher without the Atlantic Coast pipeline. Compression expansion can add approximately 500 million cubic feet per day of capacity. In addition to the potential mainline expansion, we're encouraged by the opportunities on Southgate and other potential lateral to serve customers in the Southeast. On the Southgate, the project received the certificate of public convenience and necessity from FERC on June 18. Upon receiving, all the necessary permits and authorizations, construction is expected to begin in 2021 and has a target in-service date in 2021.

  • Southgate has a total project cost estimate of approximately $450 million to $500 million. In terms of our operations, our teams are following strict pandemic-related working protocols as they continue to provide safe and reliable midstream services for our customers. During the second quarter, our gathered volumes were impacted by EQT's temporary production curtailment. The curtailment averaged about 1.2 Bcf per day over 45 days during the quarter.

  • In July, the curtailed volumes were brought back online in a phased approach over several weeks. Finally, we remain committed to deploying our capital efficiently. We updated our full year 2020 capital guidance this morning, reducing total CapEx by about $85 million versus the prior midpoint. About half of the decrease is driven by capital efficiencies related to the new gathering EQT agreement as well as efficiencies gained from other gathering contracts. The remaining decrease is primarily from capital shifting to 2021.

  • I'll now turn the call over to Kirk.

  • Kirk R. Oliver - Senior VP & CFO

  • Thanks, Diana, and good morning, everyone. This morning, we reported net income attributable to E-Train common shareholders of $27 million and earnings per diluted share of $0.1. Net income was $143 million and adjusted EBITDA was $263 million. We also reported net cash provided by operating activities of $344 million. Free cash flow of $155 million and retained free cash flow of $88 million. There were a few items that impacted second quarter net income attributable to E-Train common shareholders. First, we incurred about $11 million of transaction costs, primarily related to the EQM merger. Second, there was a $27 million premium associated with the redemption of a portion of the EQM preferred units in connection with the EQM merger. The premium represents the difference between the payment to redeem the convertible preferred units and the carrying value of the redeemed units. This is classified as a preferred dividend and reduces net income attributable to E-Train common shareholders.

  • Lastly, net income was impacted by a $13 million unrealized gain on derivative instruments, which is reported within other income. As a reminder, the unrealized gain on derivative is due to an agreement entitling E-Train to receive cash payments from EQT, conditioned on specific NYMEX, Henry Hub index prices exceeding certain thresholds over 3 years post the MVP and service date.

  • After adjusting for these nonrecurring items and gain on derivative, adjusted net income attributable to E-Train common shareholders was $57 million, and adjusted earnings per diluted share was $0.22. As a reminder, billing under the new gathering agreement with EQT began in the second quarter. Revenue from the MVCs is recognized, utilizing an average rate applied over the 15-year contract life. And the difference between the cash received from the contracted MVC and the revenue recognized results in deferral of revenue into future periods.

  • For the second quarter, deferred revenue was $74 million. E-Train operating revenue for the second quarter was lower compared to that of last year by $66 million, primarily from the impact of the deferred revenue and partially offset by increased revenue from higher MVCs on gathering and water.

  • Second quarter 2020 operating revenue was also impacted by the temporary production curtailments. Operating expenses for the second quarter of 2020 were $75 million lower than the second quarter of 2019. The decrease was mainly driven by an $80 million impairment of long-lived assets in the second quarter of 2019.

  • For the second quarter of 2020, E-Train will pay a quarterly cash dividend of $0.15 per share on August 13, to common shareholders of record at the close of business on August 4. We have ample liquidity to support our capital investment plan. On June 18, we completed a $1.6 billion EQM senior note issuance. The proceeds from the offering were used to repay outstanding borrowings under the $3 billion EQM revolving credit facility and for general partnership purposes. At the end of the second quarter, we had approximately $2 billion available under the EQM revolver and approximately $200 million of consolidated cash. And finally, we increased our full year 2020 earnings and cash flow guidance. At the midpoint, we expect adjusted EBITDA of approximately $1.2 billion and free cash flow of $25 million.

  • I'll now hand the call back to Tom.

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Thanks, Kirk. 2020 has been a very busy year for E-Train, and we are excited about where we are headed. We now have enhanced corporate governance, long-term contracts with stable cash flow profile, ample liquidity and a disciplined capital allocation policy. We've taken positive steps on ESG and have a line of sight on MVP's completion. We have now addressed most everything that is within our control in order to be successful in this slow or no growth environment. We expect our free cash flow will continue to grow over the next 3 years even without production growth. This is the cornerstone of our strategy.

  • Please remember to stay safe, wash your hands. And with that, we're happy to take your questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • This is James on for Jeremy. I just want to start off with maybe just the MVP update side. Just to be clear, has messaging changed from last quarter in terms of the necessity of the Nationwide Permit 12 to complete the pipeline? Or -- because a lot of the conversation last quarter was on potentially getting those individual permits remaining. Has that changed at all with this quarter and what you're seeing now?

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • This is Diana. No, the messaging really hasn't changed, although we have gotten good news on the Nationwide 12. We expect that to be issued. So as long as this issue will continue with our original plan and cross the water bodies that way. If for some reason, there is another challenge or something different with the Nationwide 12, then we can fall back to the options that we talked about, I believe, last time, which were some different crossing methods and individual permit options.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • Got it. Okay. And then can you remind me, is there a kind of a date for a benchmark to kind of get construction back going to kind of meet the early 2021 in-service date?

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • So there's a couple -- we've been pivoting a lot, right? So there's a lot of different combinations. But we do expect to get back to construction within a month or so. But really, then there's another piece, which is getting the U.S. Forest Service Permit to cross the National Forest and that is expected in the fourth quarter. So we still have that 3.7 miles to build after we get that permit.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • Got it. And then just one more, if I could. Just shifting kind of the conversation to maybe the leverage profile of the business. I saw that EQT was based on, I think, positive outlook by Fitch during the quarter. Is there any read-through that E-Train there -- I know -- I don't know if the rating agencies are still rating E-Train or maybe the EQM sub. But how have conversations gone with rating agencies in terms of the leverage kind of creeping up in anticipation of MVP in-service? And is there any leverage threshold that they've kind of put on the business where they might consider a downgrade?

  • Kirk R. Oliver - Senior VP & CFO

  • Yes. This is Kirk. I'll take that one. We just recently did a bond deal, $1.6 billion. And all the agencies affirmed their rating when we did that deal. So we have been in dialogue with them. Any improvement in credit at EQT helps us, and we're committed to hitting our investment-grade credit metrics. So -- and the agencies are -- obviously, Mountain Valley is the one thing that they're really keeping an eye on. But so far, they haven't changed their perspective since they affirmed the rating when we did the bond deal. I hope that answered your question.

  • Operator

  • And your next question comes from Spiro Dounis from Crédit Suisse.

  • Spiro Michael Dounis - Director

  • Just 2 quick follow-ups on MVP. First, as Fish and Wildlife communicated, I guess, the reasons for the delayed biological opinion might be splitting here in terms of which we get crosses into. I'm just curious if there's been any communication there? And then on the $175 million of potential additional costs, do you have a sense of when that could actually start to be realized or when you'll have a better sense of how much it's going to be?

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • So on Fish and Wildlife, the consultation period did end. So there wasn't an extension to a consultation period. And what we're hearing is that they're doing their final reviews, which is good. We certainly support the agency taking the necessary time to produce a good opinion. So I believe there's activity there, and we expect something soon. On the additional dollars, really, they were -- or are based on if there are different crossing methods that need to be done or there are additional delays. So the potential is there. But it will just all depend on what we can do smoothly and what gets held up in the future.

  • Spiro Michael Dounis - Director

  • Okay. Understood. The second one is just around EBITDA and thinking about the high and low end of the range for 2020 at this point. Just curious what's driving you to either side of it? It sounds like EQT could curtail again this fall. Just wondering if is that the only major variable at this point? And does the low end contemplate that already?

  • Kirk R. Oliver - Senior VP & CFO

  • The -- this is Kirk, again. The range is really just range that we have to use because we're estimating. But we haven't -- it doesn't contemplate any further curtailments by EQT.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Derek Walker from Bank of America.

  • Derek Bryant Walker - VP

  • Maybe just a quick question around EQT's comments on just the potential marketing, some or all other capacity on MVP. I guess from your standpoint, how are you guys viewing that? And how does that kind of play into, I guess, you also alluded to the MVP compression project as well? So just trying to get a sense for some of the interplay there. And is that potential rate that you would target compression similar to what you're charging now on the mainline?

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Derek, this is Tom. I'll take part of that question, and I'll pass the balance off to Diana. Look, we're supportive of EQT's desire to offload some of their capacity. We think that it could be an opportunity to create a couple of different layers of benefit. Certainly, if they can optimize their transmission portfolio that will make them more cost effective. As MVP operator and largest owner, we, as partners, have approval rights over the creditworthiness of whenever they release the capacity to. So in essence, it could very well be an upgrade in the credit quality of our shippers, which would then read through and strengthen any underlying financing we may do at the MVP level. So we view all of that as a positive, particularly the optimization by EQT of their transportation portfolio. They've shown themselves pretty adept and nimble at managing that portfolio and the improvements they've made and could make with this release would push them further along the lines of getting back to their investment-grade rating, which we think is a really positive read-through for us. I think it's too early to talk about any rates the MVP expansion. We're seeing active interest in that capacity. And it's just a bit early, but we're certainly encouraged by the inbounds. And I think for now, we'll leave it at that.

  • Diana, do you have anything to add to that?

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • No, I think that covers it. We're certainly anticipating that a compression expansion is an easier expansion than halving the twin pipe or do something to that effect, and we can add about 500 million a day from an expansion perspective, we believe.

  • Derek Bryant Walker - VP

  • Got it. I appreciate the color. And maybe just a quick one on Southgate. I think you talked about construction starting in '21 and also the in-service date in '21. I guess assuming kind of MVP kind of falls that sort of early in-service '21 date. Any sort of items around Southgate construction timeline? Do you feel like if there any kind of goes smoothly on the mainline portion that, that construction process should go fairly smoothly? Any -- just any items there that we should be thinking about for that particular partner?

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • And I'll let Diana answer the specifics about the construction, although, I would just offer that I haven't experienced any project that's gone really smoothly of late.

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • Yes. I think from a construction perspective, it's actually it's less challenging than what the mainline was. So the terrain is better. We're further south. It's actually an easier build from a construction perspective, which will help with environmental and erosion controls and that kind of the thing.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Shneur Gershuni from UBS.

  • Shneur Z. Gershuni - Executive Director in the Energy Group and Analyst

  • Just to maybe follow-up on a couple of questions here. Just starting off with the NWP 12, if it comes through and so forth, how much of the crossings that need to be completed would really benefit from the NWP 12 versus the boring methodology? I understand it would be easier in general. But just sort of thinking about like how many are must-haves that need -- that would really benefit from the NWP 12? Is there a percentage of crossing that you really would like to get done under that methodology versus having to default to the others if there are some challenges that often come down the road.

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • So it's quite a mix. There are a number, probably about half that are fixed and 1/ 2 [does] than the other, whether you do the open cut or a bore, it's not really much different. The rest, then there's a combination. I think the important thing is the ones that are really critical we would try to do as quickly as possible before anything is challenged and just strategically go through it with that kind of thought process?

  • Shneur Z. Gershuni - Executive Director in the Energy Group and Analyst

  • Okay. No, that kind of makes sense. And maybe as a follow-up, just sort of given the timing about when this could potentially come to fruition. How do we think about and how have you planned for the fact that some of this construction activity could be happening during a winter or rainy season type of environment as well as with COVID-19 and the guidelines on how to construct in that kind of environment? Just wondering if you can sort of give us some color on how you've prepared for that?

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • So the COVID-19 (inaudible) as we have been in our other construction projects, we did hire a third-party to help us manage that just to make sure that we have everything in place, and we're following what we need to follow to keep everybody safe. From a winter perspective, there won't be a ton of construction left in the winter. So that risk continues to be reduced as we go farther and farther into the year. Although, I will say, very unhappy to have missed the last couple of prime months of dry construction period.

  • Shneur Z. Gershuni - Executive Director in the Energy Group and Analyst

  • Okay. That makes sense. And maybe a final question just with respect to the potential expansion? I know it's not even done yet, but now we're talking about expansion of MVP, using compression and so forth. I know that you're reluctant to talk about rates and so forth. But is it fair to conclude that the return profile of that type of an expansion would be significantly higher than the base MVP that from a return perspective that you're putting in place right now? Is that the way to think about it?

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • Yes. Typically, a compression expansion is much more favorable when it comes to the returns because the pipeline construction is just more expensive.

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Just -- before we go to the next question, I might add that any further conversations that we're having around capacity will be largely or almost entirely demand-pull conversations as opposed to the origination of MVP, which was a supply push. So that changes the dynamics of the conversations with respect to how we look at the capacity and its underlying value.

  • I'm sorry, go ahead, Shneur.

  • Shneur Z. Gershuni - Executive Director in the Energy Group and Analyst

  • I was just going to say, so just to clarify, so what you're effectively saying is it's kind of demand pull, you put into compression as needed, so there's never a scenario where there's too much capacity and so forth, right? Like you can literally sequence it in as the demand shows up, basically, right?

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes, I think that's fair. And I think the way to look at it is we'll certainly have enough time to lock in any precedent agreements on that before we start construction. So we'll know what the demand is.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from Alex Kania from Wolfe Research.

  • Alexis Stephen Kania - SVP

  • 2 questions. The first one is just really on the CapEx update. With the gathering CapEx coming down a little bit. Do you think that, that kind of fully reflects the potential of what EQT has been doing on their side in terms of reducing development cost and optimizing that? Or is there still more runway as you look forward? That's the first question. The second one is, I guess, piling on to the MVP questions. But just to the extent you have this -- I'm thinking about like permanent financing, it sounds like you would probably want to get more clarity on the disposition of FTE by EQT, maybe as well as the expansions.

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Diana, why don't you talk about the CapEx first and then maybe I'll just -- and I'll follow-up with the expansion.

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • Yes. So actually, I was going to pass the CapEx to Justin. I think that's a good one for him. So Justin, do you want to take it?

  • Justin Macken - SVP of Gas Systems, Planning & Engineering

  • Sure. This is Justin. I think the CapEx reductions you're seeing here in 2020 are somewhat reflective of the new gathering agreement and the capital protections we have there. It's also a continuation of our strategy to integrate systems. And when we can tie together gathering systems and our transmission system, we can start to realize some pretty substantial CapEx savings, leveraging existing assets, existing compression. As we look at EQT's ability to future, that's when we really see some benefit to us in terms of our gathering CapEx. And then as we look even further down the line, when they return to those same pads to drill out the rest of the laterals, our infrastructure is already then in place and our capital outlay for those projects will be minimal at best.

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • And then Alex to your question about the expansion, I don't necessarily think that we're going to pin any additional financings around that. The project level financing to be done at MVP won't be done until or after it's in-service. So we'll have all of the agreements in place there. And the expansion, I think we've talked about, about 500 million a day of compression capacity, which -- and the capital cost might be on an 88 basis, maybe $400 million to $500 million. So our share, roughly $200 million or so that would generate to E-Train maybe $65 million, $70 million worth of growth -- worth of EBITDA. So it's not something that we would require a financing, we have ample liquidity to move from that.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) The next question comes from Chris Sighinolfi from Jefferies.

  • Christopher Paul Sighinolfi - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • I just want to follow-up on these MVP questions one more time. Just -- you've mentioned credit approval rights. Are there any other approval rights that you carry in the process? EQT runs and potentially monetizing its FT or transferring its FT?

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • I think the credit approval right is the most important one. I don't think there are any other that are process determinative.

  • I think the short answer would be no.

  • Christopher Paul Sighinolfi - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • Okay. And then is there -- I mean obviously Diana mentioned it, but with the cancellation of ACP, clearly, ACP would being built by and owned by companies that had a stated need for gas in that region. So suits with what you were saying about demand pull versus the supply push. I'm just curious, if they're successful in selling -- if EQT is successful in selling its FT to somebody like one of those parties that might want an expansion embedded sooner? I mean, is there a cost savings to doing it while you're doing MVP completion? Would you contemplate that? Or is it really something you'd see far down the line?

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Look, we'll contemplate anything to try to be responsive to a customer. But I think that the compressed timeframe you're talking about, we could compress it a bit, but the certification process with FERC and some of the other hooks we have to jump through, I don't think we could accelerate it too much. But if I ask, we would certainly try, let's put it that way.

  • Christopher Paul Sighinolfi - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • Yes. No doubt. Okay. I just -- I didn't know what was entailed and if it was even possible, I figured there might be an efficiency pickup, but there might also be something that sits out there that prohibits you from doing it. So...

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes. There's really no efficiency or synergy pickup. Diana, Justin, correct me if I'm wrong. Because this would simply be a compression addition on a new site, stand-alone site.

  • Christopher Paul Sighinolfi - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • Okay. So you just put a new compressor unit, add horsepower to the system, but it's not like you'd be upgrading a current compressor, it would be just a new stand alone.

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • So there would be units added to certain of the existing sites as well, right? Diana?

  • We may have lost Diana.

  • Justin Macken - SVP of Gas Systems, Planning & Engineering

  • Yes. This is Justin. That is correct. The compression expansion would entail a new site and then some horsepower additions at existing sites to get the throughput along the entire line.

  • Christopher Paul Sighinolfi - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • Okay. But semantics. So your point, Tom, is that it's -- it would be relatively small. It's not the driving. It wouldn't be the driving force behind anything?

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Correct.

  • Christopher Paul Sighinolfi - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • Yes. Okay. Well, I was going to ask Diana the question, but maybe I'll just ask it broadly and you guys can correct me if my understanding is correct -- if it's not correct. But are these the following remaining items for MVP? I guess, first is Fish and Wildlife biological opinion. Then we the Nationwide 12 that I mentioned prioritizing problematic water crossings, but in effect, getting all of your water crossings done in an order that prioritizes those problematic areas. And then you still have the USFS sedimentation erosion study in Jefferson National Forest. I think it's anticipated in the fourth quarter. And then you can complete the 3-plus mile portion of work there. And then we're done. Is that a correct order of operations? Or I guess, if not, where am I wrong?

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • This is Diana, I actually got back in. Sorry about that. That's the correct order. So yes.

  • Christopher Paul Sighinolfi - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • Is that a complete list? Or are there things that...

  • Diana M. Charletta - President & COO

  • It is.

  • Christopher Paul Sighinolfi - MD and Equity Research Analyst

  • Okay. And then a final question for me, and that's just maybe for Kirk. Is there anything to be aware of in the guidance that I didn't see there? Or would it be safe to effectively look at your full year net income and EBITDA outlook subtract year-to-date results in your third quarter guide and get an implied fourth quarter look?

  • Kirk R. Oliver - Senior VP & CFO

  • Yes. There's nothing tricky there. You should be able to do that math.

  • Operator

  • There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to the presenters.

  • Thomas F. Karam - Chairman & CEO

  • Well, thanks, everybody, for joining us today. We appreciate the interest and we hope everybody stay safe and wash your hands, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.