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  • Operator

  • Greetings, and welcome to Empire State Realty Trust Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

  • I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Thomas Keltner, General Counsel at Empire State Realty Trust. Please proceed.

  • Thomas N. Keltner - Executive VP, General Counsel & Secretary

  • Good morning. Thank you for joining us today for Empire State Realty Trust's Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. In addition to the press release distributed last evening, a quarterly supplemental package with further detail on our results has been posted in the Investors section of the company's website at empirestaterealtytrust.com.

  • On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking statements as defined in applicable securities laws, including those related to market conditions, property operations, capital expenditures, income and expense. As a reminder, forward-looking statements represent management's current estimates. They are subject to risks and uncertainties, which may cause actual results to differ from those discussed today.

  • Empire State Realty Trust assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to these forward-looking statements in the company's filings with the SEC.

  • Finally, during today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as FFO, modified and core FFO, NOI, cash NOI and EBITDA, which we believe are meaningful in evaluating the company's performance. The definitions and reconciliations of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in the earnings release and supplemental package, each available on the company's website.

  • Now I will turn the call over to John Kessler, President and Chief Operating Officer.

  • John B. Kessler - President & COO

  • Good morning. Welcome to our second quarter 2018 earnings conference call. At Empire State Realty Trust, our fully modernized portfolio is essentially located near mass transit. Our market position offers tenants a value price point between trophy, Class A and Class B properties, which provides us with both upside opportunity and downside protection. We have a de-risked embedded growth strategy and generate market-leading leasing spreads from redevelopment of our office space.

  • We have the lowest levered balance sheet among office REITs, a significant cash position and no outstanding borrowings against our line, and we are an industry-leader in sustainability and energy efficiency.

  • Today, Tom Durels will speak about the second quarter's approximately 143,000 square feet of leases, market demand for our properties, and our market-leading leasing spreads. Our leasing results include LinkedIn's approximate 30,000 square-foot expansion at the Empire State Building, their 6th expansion since they joined us as a tenant in 2011. And then David Karp will address our financial performance and our balance sheet. After that, our team is here to answer your questions.

  • I'll now turn the call over to Tom Durels. Tom?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. Our second quarter numbers reflect further progress on our 4 drivers of top line derisked, embedded growth over the next 5 to 6 years. The breakdown of our 4 revenue growth drivers, which as of June 30, 2018, we estimate to be $100 million to be found on Page 9 of our investor presentation available on the investors section of our website. For reference, this compares to $377 million in trailing 12 months cash NOI and $536 million in trailing 12-month cash rental revenue and tenant reimbursements as of June 30, 2018. Just as a reminder, the $100 million is revenue growth and not all of this will flow through to NOI.

  • In the second quarter, we signed 37 new and renewal leases totaling approximately 143,000 square feet. This included approximately 111,000 square feet in our Manhattan office properties; 31,000 square feet in our greater New York Metropolitan office properties; and 1,000 square feet of retail. Significant new office leases signed during the quarter include a 30,200 square-foot full floor expansion lease with LinkedIn at the Empire State Building. We have updated the disclosure on potential vacates and renewals for leases that expired by year-end 2019, which can be found on Page 9 of our supplemental. This chart shows tenants to be relocated within our portfolio and vacates to be replaced by new tenants with whom leases have been signed.

  • We have continued with our proven strategy to vacate and consolidate spaces, redevelop them and release those spaces at higher rents to better tenants. As a reminder, the resulting occupancy can vary quarter-by-quarter. There is a timing delay between the move out of the existing tenants' and the commencement of the replacement new leases. And the further delay between legal commencement and GAAP revenue recognition. These timing lags impact our reported revenue.

  • During the second quarter, rental rates on new and renewal leases across our entire portfolio were 17.9% higher on a cash basis compared to prior escalated rents, and at our Manhattan office properties, we signed new leases at a positive rent spread of 26.5%. Of course, leasing spread always depend on the expiring fully escalated rents, which we disclosed on Page 11 of our supplemental.

  • We continue to see demand for our product, locations and price points and feel confident in our offerings. Heading into the third quarter, we have a very healthy pipeline of leases and negotiation across the portfolio for both full floors and prebuilds. As a reminder, leasing volume may vary significantly by quarter given the timing of particular deals. We remain focused on our strategy to vacate and redevelop space that we will bring to market for future lease.

  • Now, I'll turn the call over to David Karp. David?

  • David A. Karp - Executive VP & CFO

  • Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. For the second quarter, we reported core FFO of $71 million or $0.24 per diluted share. Cash NOI was $96.6 million, essentially flat with the prior-year period.

  • Starting this quarter, we reported interest income as a separate line item on our income statement on Page 18 of our supplemental, and now include short-term investments as a separate line item on our balance sheet on Page 17.

  • Turning to our Observatory operations, which are highlighted on Page 16 of our supplemental. Revenue for the second quarter of 2018 increased to $35.2 million or 3.6% from the prior-year period. NOI was $27.5 million, up 2.7% from the second quarter of 2017, despite a lower visitor count this year. A combination of previously announced price increases, implementation of dynamic pricing, and a better mix of ticket types drove the year-over-year improvement in NOI.

  • The Observatory hosted approximately 1.08 million visitors in the second quarter of 2018, a decrease of 4.3% compared to the second quarter 2017. This year, the Easter holiday was split between the first and second quarters. Whereas in the prior year, the Easter holiday fell entirely within the second quarter. We estimate that this shift in the Easter holiday resulted in approximately 49,000 fewer visitors in the second quarter of 2018 as compared to the second quarter of 2017. For the second quarter, we estimate fewer bad weather days resulted in approximately 19,000 more visitors than in the prior-year period.

  • For the 6 months ended June 30, 2018, Observatory revenue was $56.5 million, a 2.8% increase compared to the prior-year period. Net operating income for the first 6 months of 2018 was $41.4 million, up 2.4% from the prior-year period. This strong performance was achieved despite the fact that the 102nd floor observation deck was closed in the first quarter of 2018 for the replacement of original elevator machinery with a new, higher speed glass elevator. Excluding first quarter revenue from the 102nd floor observation deck, which was $1.9 million in 2017, Observatory revenue would've increased 6.4% for the 6 months ended June 30, 2018, as compared with the same period in 2017. The Observatory hosted approximately 1.74 million visitors in the first half of 2018, down 1.4% compared to 1.76 million in the prior-year period.

  • Moving to our balance sheet. Our low leverage, joint venture free and flexible balance sheet, including significant cash on hand, remains a differentiating and competitive advantage for us in any market environment. As of June 30, 2018, we had total debt outstanding of approximately $1.9 billion and no borrowings under our $1.1 billion unsecured line of credit. The debt has a weighted average interest rate of 3.84% and a weighted average term to maturity with 8.6 years. Our debt maturities are well laddered with only a single $250 million issue maturing before 2022.

  • None of our outstanding debt has variable rates. As of June 30, 2018, the company's consolidated net debt to total market capitalization was 19.7%, and consolidated net debt-to-EBITDA was 3.6x. And we have cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments of $652 million.

  • With that, I would like to open the call for your questions. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question today comes from Craig Mailman of KeyBanc.

  • Craig Allen Mailman - Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • Tom, maybe to start with you. Just curious, you guys have been really successful since the IPO and kind of moving rent levels up of your redeveloped buildings. I'm just curious, if the overall markets you guys are in or sub-markets you're in, become a little bit tougher from a market rent growth perspective. Just curious how you guys, kind of, view your ability to continue to push your price point higher, given the money you've put in and how you think maybe your assets stack-up to kind of what the average that's in some of the market statistics?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Sure, Craig. We have seen some modest rent growths year-to-date and year-over-year. I think that as far as being able to drive rents -- I would say that the office market feels healthy. Our offerings and submarket -- certainly our submarkets are healthy. As we continue to see employment growth numbers continues to be positive and given the steady activity we see for our product, our locations and price point, going forward, we can expect to see some modest rent growth. As we've always said, we provide a unique offering between Class A properties and traditional class B. We offer a great value in modernize properties and create great locations. So as long as we continue to see good employment numbers, I think, we'll be able to continue to see modest rent growth for our offerings.

  • Craig Allen Mailman - Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • That's helpful. And then could you guys just talk to, I think, 2019 vacates were up about 100,000 square feet, looks like maybe that was mostly in the greater New York portfolio. Could you just talk to whether that's due to kind of visibility on the tenant move out that you guys have found out about or is that just updated thoughts given what's expiring?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Craig, it's due to the expected nonrenewal of a 96,000 square-foot tenant. I've comment that the space that that tenant occupies is old. They've been in there for more than 25 years, it's inefficient and needs to be rebuilt for today's workplace environment.

  • Craig Allen Mailman - Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful. And then just on the Observatory, I mean, you guys had a good rebound in ticket price, mix and where it came in. Just curious, in your thoughts, as you guys, kind of, opened the new entrance to the Observatory and continue to fund the $150 million. What you guys view as your ability or appetite to push through additional ticket price increases that could offer some volatility in visitors?

  • Anthony E. Malkin - Chairman & CEO

  • Craig, Tony Malkin here. We very much look forward to the opening, which is just a few weeks away. We absolutely believe that this is offense for us, which is exciting. We look forward to that. The fact is while we don't speculate on results and we just report, we have been able to put together some per cap price increases and ticket mix improvements. We think the new Observatory presentation will help us do more in both areas. And in providing a reason to go to the Empire State Building even when the views are weather impacted. So by the way, don't forget it's not going just to drive the bottom line behind the Observatory, these changes are going to increase the desirability of our 34th Street retail opportunities and it's the reduction of tourist volume, and our 5th Avenue lobby is going to help improve the environment for office tenants and their visitors, not helps us raise rents to make ESB -- as we make ESB even more desirable in the tenants. So we absolutely think that this is a plus for us. We're very excited to get this out.

  • Operator

  • The next question is from Jamie Feldman of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

  • James Colin Feldman - Director and Senior US Office and Industrial REIT Analyst

  • Just following up on the 96,000 square foot move out in the summer of next year. Can you just talk maybe about average rent or just what the earnings implications might be from that move? I assume it's a pretty low rent compared to the portfolio average.

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • As compared to the entire portfolio average, that 96,000 square-foot space is occupied by a tenant that is rents that are roughly half our average rents that we're seeing in New York City. So I think that's a good relevant question in the sense that its equivalent to a tenant half that size in New York, as the impacts are overall rent roles. And then as far as -- yes, go ahead.

  • James Colin Feldman - Director and Senior US Office and Industrial REIT Analyst

  • And then do you expect to take that property out of service for a full rehab? Or is it just certain spaces?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • That's -- as I've mentioned before, that space is -- has been occupied by a tenant for more than 25 years. It's old and it needs to be completely redeveloped. So, yes, we would take it offline, and redevelop it and then re-lease it.

  • James Colin Feldman - Director and Senior US Office and Industrial REIT Analyst

  • Is it the full building now?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • No.

  • James Colin Feldman - Director and Senior US Office and Industrial REIT Analyst

  • Okay. And then sticking with the schedule, it looks like maybe some of your, I might be wrong here, but I think, some of your tenant vacates got pushed back to the third quarter. There are just some moving pieces from your 2Q actual versus your 2Q projected last quarter, and then even the third quarter now versus the third quarter in the last supplemental. Can you just talk us through the moving pieces of both tenant vacates and intentional vacates?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Jamie, as it relates to the tenant vacates, most of this increase in the third quarter is due to the rollover of some month-to-month leases and some short-term extensions. You'll see on -- a new line was added on Page 9 of the supplemental for short-term renewals and hold over tenants. We've also added a footnote with regard to month-to-month tenants. That accounts for the bulk of that change.

  • James Colin Feldman - Director and Senior US Office and Industrial REIT Analyst

  • Okay. And then as you think about your -- you guys always give the statistics on how much space you have that's developed, ready to lease. Can you just talk about the leasing pipeline for that space? Are you seeing and how maybe it changed over the last year? So are you seeing more larger tenants, smaller tenants? Just kind of frame what might be ahead in the next 12 months or so?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Jamie, I feel good about our portfolio and our pipelines of deals under discussion. As I mentioned in my opening remarks, we have a solid pipeline of activity for our Manhattan office space for both full floors and prebuild suites. We have a variety of offerings and we have solid activity and a solid pipeline currently. So we continue to see demand for our product, our locations and our price points and it ranges in both our prebuilds and our full floors over a variety of sizes.

  • James Colin Feldman - Director and Senior US Office and Industrial REIT Analyst

  • Okay. And then, I guess, just final question for me on the Observatory. Given all the, kind of, global noise out there, can you give us some color on the types of visitors you're seeing? Are you seeing more domestic? Are you seeing more international? Any trends on just, kind of, visitors, the New York visitors to the Observatory specifically?

  • Anthony E. Malkin - Chairman & CEO

  • Well, I will tell you that -- Tony here, Jamie. I will tell you that from our perspective, when we look at the impact on the strong international market connection that we have. No, I think, we see 2 things occurring. One is, there is no question that the U.S. image and how we're viewed internationally is less positive than it was. At the same time, NYC & Company is reporting increased cross border traveling to the United States. Look, while we historically have seen no relationship between foreign currency movements in Observatory revenue. In today's world, we're seeing a slight decrease in all attractions across New York City, cross-border visitors. Our sales efforts under our new sales leader have begun to take effect, however, I think our goal is to get more of the cross-border visitors, particularly long haul, then we have historically. And they pay the higher prices, and we think we're already beginning to see the benefits of those efforts in our ticket mix and our ticket pricing. Beyond that, candidly, we have a strategy where the Empire State Building Observatory is going to succeed regardless of overall trends. But at the moment, I would say that we still have the majority of our visitors are from overseas and we see that continuing going forward.

  • Operator

  • The next question is from Rob Simone of Evercore ISI.

  • Robert Matthew Simone - Associate

  • Just a quick question, a follow-up on Jamie's question earlier. That 96,000 square-foot move out, that's going to occur in 4Q of next year, correct? Which means, obviously, the earnings impact flows in primarily into '20. Is that correct?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • That's correct. That lease expires at -- in November of 2019.

  • Robert Matthew Simone - Associate

  • Got it. And you said it's roughly half the New York City average on the rent side?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • That's correct.

  • Robert Matthew Simone - Associate

  • Okay. And then just 2 quick follow-ups, if there's time. It looks like the unknown bucket on your leasing was down and then about a hundred -- down by about 126,000 square feet and vacates bucket between intentional and stated was up by about 105,000. So call it like a net 20,000 square feet that's out there. Is it safe to assume that, that was space that was leased in this quarter or pulled forward? Or is that kind of moving around elsewhere in that break? We're just trying to understand how that moves.

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • I'm not sure, which periods you're comparing.

  • Robert Matthew Simone - Associate

  • Just '19, I'm sorry.

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Okay. So the -- again the big change there was moving the 96,000 square-foot tenant in a greater New York Metropolitan office portfolio from an unknown to a tenant vacate. And then the others are just updated forecast as we currently see it, right? So a big change was that 1 tenant change in Connecticut.

  • Robert Matthew Simone - Associate

  • Yes, I get that. Like if I compare the '19 number this quarter to what you guys reported in '19 -- for '19 last quarter. It seems like about 20,000 or so square feet, if I just look at those vacate buckets plus the unknown. It looks like there was a reduction by about 20,000 square feet. So does that mean that was already leased? Or as a portion of 140,000 square foot of what we see into this quarter? Just -- or am I thinking about that the wrong way. That's really the question.

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • If you're referring to the total portfolio and the changes of about 20,000 square feet, it should be comprised of a number of small changes. I can't point to one single thing. So again this '19 -- instead of '19 period, it's simply our updated forecast.

  • Robert Matthew Simone - Associate

  • Okay, understood. And then just lastly for me on the -- David on the short-term investment. I guess, a, was that technically -- it looks like your interest income as you restated it or broke it out, started to tick up in Q1. Was that in -- a, what did you guys invest in to the extent that you guys talked about it? B, did that kind of start in Q1? And c, what was the intention there? Was it kind of just an opportunity to enhance yield as you released the portfolio? Just trying to understand that a little bit more.

  • David A. Karp - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes, Rob. So we placed $400 million in a series of time deposits with laddered tenures to 9 months and we did this with some leading national regional banks. We did this in mid-June and we believe this is a prudent way to retain access to our cash balances, while taking advantage of rising rates. So you'll see that it had an impact in Q2 a little bit. It will have a larger impact as we go into Q3.

  • Operator

  • The next question is from John Guinee of Stifel.

  • John William Guinee - MD

  • John Guinee here. Couple of questions. First David, looks like your cash plus restricted cash plus notes around $700 million now with $750 million end of the first quarter. If you look at your bend for base building renovations, both the CBD and in the suburbs, your re-leasing cost and the Observatory costs. When do you turn cash flow positive? And what do you -- and in what quarter? And what do you expect your total cash balance to be when you turn cash flow positive. Assuming no acquisitions or dispositions?

  • David A. Karp - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes, so just, John, in summary, the change in the cash balance quarter-over-quarter the biggest was the move of that $400 million in the short term investments, and then of the remaining difference the decline was principally due to the CapEx and the leasing cost, which were about $55 million, quarterly dividend, which was $32 million and this was all offset by operating cash flow, which was positive of $41 million. As we look forward, while we don't provide guidance, we feel that we become a -- we're no longer a net user of cash into 2019. I can't give you a specific quarter.

  • John William Guinee - MD

  • And what do you think your -- right now you have $650 million of cash plus short-term investments and $50 million of restricted cash. What do you think your balance is at that time?

  • David A. Karp - Executive VP & CFO

  • Well, again, that's -- if you go back, the reason we put that cash on the balance sheet was specifically for a purpose. And that was position ourselves well for investment opportunity. Our goal is to retain that liquidity and that cash on the balance sheet. So as we use cash for other items, such as capital expenditures, we will be considering how much of that cash we want to continue to retain for our future investment, and how much of it, we'll allocate to funding our capital expenditures. So I can't give you a specific answer right now.

  • John William Guinee - MD

  • Okay. And then you do a great job. You are scheduled initial free rent burn-off. Your lease is signed not commenced on Page 6 or 7 -- I guess, Page 6. But then on Page 4, you basically, you have a pretty much of a flat percent leased and a flat percent occupied. Do you guys have an economic occupancy number you could provide? Because it's awfully difficult to try to go through all of the ins and outs, and a economic occupancy number quarter-over-quarter would get -- give people a sense of the upside from here. Do you have that economic occupancy number handy?

  • David A. Karp - Executive VP & CFO

  • We don't have it handy right now. It's something you often see more with some of the apartment REITs and companies like that, you don't typically -- we haven't typically seen it with many of the office companies. We can certainly take a look at it. We have looked at in the past and felt that it was not really necessary appropriate in the context of what we report, but happy to revisit that. And if you have some thoughts on it off-line, I'd be happy to talk to you about it.

  • John William Guinee - MD

  • Okay. And then the last couple of quick questions, is the Manhattan office property expiring leases on Page 11. Looks like you average about $54 in 2019 and 2020. Very different than the sub-$50 expiration over the last year or 2. Do you still think you can get the very healthy mark-to-markets that you've been getting, 26%, I think this last quarter? And then the other question, I guess, that's for Tom and the other core question is -- is there a strike price on the exchangeable notes due in '19, $19?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • John, this is Tom. First on the rent spreads, they will always depend on the expiring fully escalated rents as you've pointed out. And I would highlight the fact that the prior fully escalated rent on our vacant developed Manhattan office space was $48.39 per square foot. Given that represents our most significant leasing opportunity and the asking rents are for spaces range in the high 50s to low 70s per square foot for the near future, we expect to achieve superior rent spreads.

  • David A. Karp - Executive VP & CFO

  • And with respect to your question on the exchangeable bond, the exchangeable matures in August of 2019 and the current strike price is $19 -- roughly $19.35. I believe it’s $19 in change.

  • John William Guinee - MD

  • Okay. So out of the money right now?

  • David A. Karp - Executive VP & CFO

  • Correct.

  • Operator

  • The next question comes from Blaine Heck of Wells Fargo.

  • Blaine Matthew Heck - Senior Equity Analyst

  • John or Tony, just to touch on or get back to the investment picture. You've got all this cash, some of which will go to redevelopment, but there are a few significant properties on the market and a few that have recently traded. Can you give any color on whether you guys are pursuing anything right now? And whether there are specific opportunities for, kind of, challenged assets as Tony has said, spill on the table today?

  • John B. Kessler - President & COO

  • Good morning Blaine, it's John. Look, we continue to look at and pursue opportunities that are in the market that we think would make a good use of our balance sheet. But we continue to be disciplined in terms of our decision-making and deployment of that cash. We do think our balance sheet gives us a lot of flexibility and is a tool that we can use to deploy in the right situation, and so far, certainly we're following what's happening in the market and we're looking hard at certain things. But that we believe that continues to be the best opportunity for us as the investment in our portfolio, which you're seeing us continue to do. And -- but we think we're certainly well positioned should there be an opportunity that's attractive.

  • Anthony E. Malkin - Chairman & CEO

  • I might add to John's comment that we've got very good ideas of things to do. We've done a lot of work. Just haven't been able to bring anything to fruition at this point. But we're working hard, we're looking to be sensible. Pricing remains high, while there are pundits who have soured on New York City office. Pricing of opportunities would indicate that the writers of articles who are decrying the value of New York City or reducing the value of New York City office, do not see things the way the writers or checks do. So we're in a position where we want to stay disciplined.

  • Blaine Matthew Heck - Senior Equity Analyst

  • Okay, that's fair. Tom, a couple of quick one's for you. Are there any chunky leases -- other chunky leases within the 128,000 square feet of unknown leases in 2019 that could move that number around as we look forward? Or will any changes likely be smaller in the future?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Really the largest lease that we've expiring in 2019 is in the 30,000 square foot range. The rest are -- we got a tower floor at One Grand Central Place 12,000 square feet. And then -- so it's a mix value. We got a lot of small to mid-size tenants. So nothing significantly chunky.

  • Blaine Matthew Heck - Senior Equity Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful. And then CapEx seemed to be up quite a bit in the quarter and the lease term on executed leases was down. Was that just a mix issue or there may be any underlying trends there that we should think about?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • What they have commented in the past are reported costs for TI and leasing commission. They're going to vary by quarter depending upon the length of term, the space type, including white boxed, pre-build, first-gen or second-gen space, and the ratio of new and renewal leases. During this quarter, about 3-quarters of our Manhattan office leasing was for new leases, and, which took really a higher leasing cost than renewals, and we did have a more first-gen prebuilt leasing as a percentage of our overall leasing this quarter. So as you pointed out, our first quarter leasing cost in Manhattan, actually, decreased from the prior quarter. So it's going to vary based upon those things I just mentioned. I'm sorry Blaine, I want to clarify actually our largest tenant that expires next year in Manhattan is a 60,000 square foot tenant. The next is like in the 30s and the rest is smaller than that.

  • Blaine Matthew Heck - Senior Equity Analyst

  • So is that 60,000 still in the unknown bucket?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Yes, yes, yes.

  • Operator

  • Our final question will come from John Kim at BMO.

  • John P. Kim - Senior Real Estate Analyst

  • On your intentional vacates, can you provide some color on how long it takes to typically aggregate the space and redevelop it and have it ready for lease?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • So typically, our overall downtime can range from 9 to 24 months. It really depends upon whether we're going to convert that space into a prebuilt or full floor. We've been successful at leasing some floors in advance of tenants vacating. But given the overall construction duration, marketing time and leased up, they can range anywhere from 9 to 24 months.

  • John P. Kim - Senior Real Estate Analyst

  • And then when the tenant vacates, is that available for lease immediately or will that take some time off?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • The lease -- we began marketing many of spaces in advance of tenants leases expiring, however, truly from a marketing standpoint, it's a much better showing, particularly for prebuilds when they're built and ready for show. That we have been successful leasing prebuilds, while they're under construction. And then similarly for full floors, we'd like to get our full floors in a white-boxed condition for a better showing. But as I said, we start the market process in advance of existing tenants, lease expirations.

  • John P. Kim - Senior Real Estate Analyst

  • And then on your inventory of current vacant space, you have 498,000 of redeveloped Manhattan office space. Can you tell us how much of that is available for lease today versus what you're holding on for to aggregate in that space?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Out of our total current inventory of vacant space of about 1,177,000 square feet, approximately 498,000 square feet is redeveloped Manhattan office space. All of that is currently available and we are marketing it. As I said in my opening remarks, we have a good pipeline of activity for both our prebuilds and our full floors. Of our redeveloped Manhattan office space, approximately half is prebuild and half are consolidated floor or partial floors. There is a breakdown of our inventory of vacant space on Page 17 in the investor presentation that's available on our website.

  • John P. Kim - Senior Real Estate Analyst

  • Okay. Turning to 111 West 33rd Street, I think, I had just pointed one aspect, but it's been under lease for the several -- past several quarters, maybe 70% or less leased. I know you signed Nespresso there recently, but is there something about that asset that makes it challenging to get it leased up?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • It reflects our program to vacate, consolidate and redevelop space. We've renovated the lobby. We're almost done with all of renovated caps. The building shows fantastic. The floors that we have redeveloped show great. We're currently marketing 6 full floors that they are relatively new inventory, and they range in size and we have a good pipeline of activity currently. And that comes on the heels of some very successful leasing that we've done, including the Nespresso deal that you just mentioned.

  • John P. Kim - Senior Real Estate Analyst

  • Turning to the Observatory. I think Tony mentioned that the investments will -- the ability to increase the number of visitors and I wanted to ask about the magnitude of that increase. And to clarify, is that additional visitors to the Observatory or to the building itself?

  • Anthony E. Malkin - Chairman & CEO

  • Oh gosh, well everything that we talk about reflects increase in visitors to the Observatory. That's absolute job 1. Number 2, I think, people have asked the question in some instances just a little differently. Do we think that we're going to be able to change the capacity of the Observatory through our work? And I think that I've emphasized, we want to use more of the capacity we have right now. So we're not in this work increasing capacity, but we do want to make time the visitors spend in the Observatory more entertaining, more pleasant, more enjoyable, number 1. And number 2, as I've mentioned provide a reason for people to come even when the weather is not good. So that's our job, that's our past, that's what we've set out to do. And we really like what we see, as our plans come to fruition and people will be able to see things for the first time in a few weeks themselves.

  • John P. Kim - Senior Real Estate Analyst

  • I may have missed this, but do plan to announce like additional details on your investments later this year or at some point in the future?

  • Anthony E. Malkin - Chairman & CEO

  • Well, we planned to open the new Observatory entrance within the next few weeks. So we're right now burned in the electronics and the technology, which is a period of time, which needs to go -- we need to go through and make sure that it works. But when you see it, and kind of visit, you'll see its revolutionary in the approach and it builds on the iconic relationship that people have with the building, in a sense that no new tower can have. But the fact of matter is what we're doing there is going to be absolutely unique onto itself and everything geared around making it more efficient, more pleasant and more profitable.

  • John P. Kim - Senior Real Estate Analyst

  • I'm sorry, just 1 more. Are you going to be able to attract more investors even on bad weather days as a part of this investment?

  • Anthony E. Malkin - Chairman & CEO

  • We certainly hope so. That's the plan.

  • Operator

  • The final question is a followup from John Guinee of Stifel.

  • John William Guinee - MD

  • Great. You've been talking a lot about this 96,000 square-foot lease in Norwalk, I guess, it is. Guys, a question is, this looks like you're in place rents were in the low 30s in that building. Is this a rent up or roll down, despite all the CapEx we've put in the space?

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • Well first, John, this is Tom. We've not identified, which building or that space is expiring. It's integrated New York metropolitan office portfolio, and I would -- really point to Page 35 of our investor presentation that shows you the mark-to-market for our greater New York metropolitan office portfolio and that 96,000 square-foot space is captured within that Page 35 of the presentation.

  • John William Guinee - MD

  • I don't have that open, so I'm just looking at Page 10 and I've got your building in Norwalk has about a $32 rent and Harrison has got about $29 rent. So I'm assuming it's one of those building, and it's not a big deal. I mean, you're -- it's a de-minimis portion of your NOI. I'm just curious if there's any potential roll rents up on a deal like that. If you look at your friends at So Green, who have a same sort of mix. It's a hamster wheel type asset.

  • Thomas P. Durels - EVP of Real Estate

  • It's going to be -- if you look at 2019 on Page 35 on investor presentation, it's -- it represent a modest markdown in rent. As far as our CapEx spends, we're doing that throughout the portfolio out there.

  • Operator

  • I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Malkin for closing remarks.

  • Anthony E. Malkin - Chairman & CEO

  • Thank you very much, and thank you all for attending today's call. I'd like to complement our team. Our goal has been to get these calls shorter with more direct sites of our enhanced supplemental and investment presentation. I'm delighted to say that our prepared remarks today totaled a whopping 11 minutes. And if we dropout General Counsel Tom Keltner's broad disclaimers and comments and mine here, we're down to fewer than 9. So in addition to our lease spread metrics, we're -- we lead our peers in earning calls efficiency.

  • All seriousness, I'm very happy with our portfolio's value proposition and team's execution. And we're very, very busy on lots of fronts. Something that really show up on every quarter, but we're very busy. The Observatory, we look forward to opening Phase I of the upgraded experience in the third quarter, and we look forward to hosting an event there for investors late in September. It looks fantastic as we're about to open and it's only Phase I. So we thank you very much for your time and questions. We look forward to reporting third quarter results in just 3 months and until then, all the best.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you for your participation.