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Operator
Welcome to the Washington Real Estate Investment Trust second quarter 2011 earnings conference call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Before turning over the call to the Company's President and Chief Executive Officer, Skip McKenzie, Kelly Shiflett, Director of Finance, will provide some introductory information.
Ms. Shiflett, you may begin.
- Director of Finance
Thank you, and good morning everyone.
After the market closed yesterday we issued our earnings press release. If there is anyone on the call who would like a copy of the release, please contact me at 301-984-9400 or you may access the document from our website at www.writ.com. Our second quarter supplemental financial information is also available on our website.
Our conference call today will contain financial measures such as core FFO, and NOI, that are non-GAAP measures and in accordance with Reg. G, we have provided a reconciliation to those measures in the supplemental. The per share information being discussed on today's call is record on a fully-diluted share basis. Please bear in mind that certain statements during this call are forward-looking statements, within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially. We provide a detailed discussion of these risks from time to time in our filings with the SEC. Please refer to pages seven to 14 of our form 10k for a complete risk factor disclosure.
Participating in today's call with me will be Skip McKenzie, President and Chief Executive Officer; Bill Camp, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Laura Franklin, Executive Vice President and Chief Accounting and Administrative Officer; and Mike Paukstitus, Senior Vice President, Real Estate.
Now I would like to turn the call over to Skip.
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Kelly. Good morning, and thank you for joining the Washington REIT second quarter earnings conference call this morning.
Our portfolio continues to show it's resilience, delivering positive Same-Store NOI growth, positive rental rate growth in all sectors but industrial, and generally steady occupancy. We believe these results, combined with our continued focus on our strategic initiatives of recycling assets to improve asset and cash flow quality, enables us to deliver long-term risk adjusted returns to our investors. This is impressive considering we live in a city of indecision and political posturing.
Our federal government is doing what it does best; political grid-lock. This obviously has created a very skittish real estate market, where tenants remain apprehensive to pull the trigger on new leases. We remain optimistic about the Washington DC region, and we're confidence we'll make good progress on strategy going forward.
We announced last month that we entered into a 90-10 joint venture agreement with Crimson Partners to develop a 150 unit apartment community in the Boston neighborhood of Arlington, Virginia. The joint venture purchased the proposed development site at the corner of North Glebe Road and North Carlin Springs Road for $11.8 million in June. Construction is projected to begin in the second quarter of 2012, with completion expected 15 to 18 months there after. We are excited to partner with Crimson on this great site and grow our multifamily portfolio in an environment where it has been nearly impossible to purchase stabilized apartment assets accretively.
As we announced last quarter, we are currently under contract to purchase John Marshal II, a 223,000 square foot office building on the metro in Tysons Corner, Virginia, for $73.5 million. This property is 100% leased to Booz Allan Hamilton and serves as their worldwide headquarters. We expect closing to occur by the end of the third quarter subject to the loan assumption.
Yesterday, we went firm on a contract to purchase a $58 million grocery anchored shopping center at a prime location in our region. This will be an outstanding addition to our retail portfolio, and we expect to close on it in the third quarter.
Deal flow in the investment market is very good, and at this time our pipeline is full. I am optimistic we will have further good news to report on this in the forth-coming quarter. Please stay tuned.
On the disposition front we continue to move forward with the sale of our industrial portfolio. The portfolio is under a letter of intent with a potential buyer, who is currently conducting due diligence, and we hope to make a formal announcement on this transaction very soon.
On the capital side, we successfully replaced and expanded our line of credit to $400 million for three years, which Bill will discuss in detail in a few minutes. We have ample capacity between our lines of credit, and potential future disposition proceeds, to take advantage of the many acquisition opportunities we are seeing in the market.
Now I would lake the turn the call over to Bill who will discuss our financial results and capital markets activities, and then Mike will discuss our real estate operations.
- EVP and CFO
Thanks Skip. Good morning everyone.
I'm going to keep this rather short today. Last night we reported second quarter core FFO of $0.51 on par with last year and $0.02 better than the fourth quarter primarily due to higher overall net operating income. Two quarters in to 2011, we are at $1 per share in core FFO, which puts us on track to end the year within our original core FFO guidance range of $1.96 to $2.08. In terms of the core FAD we reported $0.44 per share, up $0.01 from the first quarter.
Tenant improvements in capital expenditures again were relatively low this quarter. As we said last quarter we expect higher CapEx and tenant improvement spending in the second half of 2011. Included in this quarter's results was a $641,000, or about $0.01a share write off for Borders as it announced it's liquidation plans. We also incurred a $1.2 million, or about $0.02 a share income tax charge related to the Dulles Station sale and other activities within our taxable REIT subsidiary. These $0.03 of one time charges were partially offset by $0.01of recoveries of prior quarter bad debt.
On the capital side, we successfully replaced and expanded our Wells Fargo credit facility from $262 million to $400 million, plus $200 million accordion for a 3-year term plus a 1-year extension. Pricing was LIBOR plus a spread of 122.5 basis points at our current rating of BAA1, BBB plus. Combining both of our lines gives us $475 million total capacity on which we currently have $245 million outstanding.
This is an increase of $85 million over the first quarter, primarily due to the payoff of $94 million of our 5.95% unsecured notes on June 15th, using available cash from the proceeds of the Dulles Station sale and the drawing the line. With the potential industrial sale moving down a logical path, we anticipate being able to pay off a portion of the line balance using proceeds from the sale.
In terms of guidance for the rest of the year, we are not changing the range. While the current core FFO run rate of $0.51 for next two quarters would put us at the mid point of our $1.96 to $2.08 range, our final results will largely be dependent upon the sale of our industrial portfolio and our ability to redeploy the capital quickly. Remember the annual NOI this portfolio is approximately $25 million. So depending on the timing of the sale it could have an impact on our numbers.
With that I will turn the call over the Mike to discuss operations.
- SVP of Real Estate
Thanks, Bill, and good morning everyone.
This quarter our Same-Store property net operating income increased over both first quarter 2011 as well as second quarter 2010. There are few one time items to note. As Bill mentioned, Borders Books announced plans to liquidate their remaining stores, one of which in our center at Hagerstown shopping center. Our $0.01 write-off includes a straight-line balance and a construction note balance.
Partially offsetting this write off is the recovery of a bad debt estimate in the medical office sector. Annual rent for Borders at this location is approximately $260,000. We feel confident that they can [see relief] at or above the current rent as we move forward in marketing this space.
Now, looking at the individual sectors. Our multifamily portfolio continues to outperform. Same-Store NOI growth was 6.2% on a GAAP basis year-over-year and occupancy improved as well. We continue to feel optimistic about this sector, given our high occupancy combined with a lack of new supply coming on line in the near future.
In the commercial portfolio this quarter, WRIT executed 414,000 square feet of lease transactions, at rental rate increases of 11% over expiring leases on a GAAP basis, with a average lease term of 6.1 years and an average TI package of $13 per square foot. The 11% rent increase was driven by double digit percentage increases in the office and medical sectors and offset by roll-downs in the industrial sector. We're well over halfway through taking care of our 2011 lease expirations, and our lease expirations exposure in 2012 is only 11.5% of annualized rent.
The office sector continues to show flat to modestly positive growth. Although rent spreads this quarter were over 12% on a GAAP basis and Same-Store NOI was up 1.5% from first quarter, filling vacancy in a lackluster market remains our biggest challenge. Leasing volume was the highest we seen in the past five quarters, but it's hard to tell if this is a trend we can expect to continue. We've hired third party leasing brokers to help with some of our larger, more challenging spaces, and we hope to see some significant increases in occupancy in the coming quarters.
In the medical office sector, Same-Store NOI up 8.1% for the first quarter due to a few bad debt recoveries which I discussed earlier. Same-Store occupancy was down 180 basis points sequentially due to move-outs at a handful of properties.
We do not believe any single theme was a consistent reason for these move-outs. Our retail sector, same story in NOI, increased 20 basis points from the first quarter. Without the Borders write-off, that number would be 7.6%. Leasing volume was down this quarter but we continue to report cash and cap rental rate increases if the leases we did sign. Occupancy this quarter was unchanged from the first quarter at 92%.
We continue to be optimistic about improving vacancy later in the third or fourth quarters as retailers begin to reschedule their openings to coincide with the holidays. We've had some nice recent leasing activity with the signing of 38,000 square feet previously-leased vacant space, that have not yet hit our operating results which could equate to 170 basis point pick up in occupancy, assuming no one moves out. We expect strong leasing momentum between now and the end of the year.
Finally, our industrial sector was a mixed bag of operating trends this quarter; rental rate growth was minus 0.08% for the first quarter, while Same-Store NOI was up 4.5%, primarily due to operating expense savings. We executed 97,000 square feet of leases, with an average term of 4 years.
I'll end by highlighting some of the capital improvement projects we've been working on at our downtown office buildings as part of our on-going effort to improve the quality of our portfolio. At 2000 M Street, we've done a common area and bathroom renovation, and are in the process of lobby in a major HVAC upgrade to modernize the building system. At 1220 19th Street, we're working on renovations of the lobby, common areas, and bathrooms. Lastly, at our recently-acquired 1140 Connecticut Avenue, we're working on upgrades to common areas and bathrooms.
Now I will turn the call over to skip.
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Before we open the call for questions I want to reiterate that our portfolio continues to show its resilience in these uncertain economic times. Our property fundamentals are steady, and we are actively upgrading the quality of our portfolio and improving the stability of our cash flow. The strategy has enabled us to pay our 198th consecutive dividend, and declare our 199th dividend at the same or increasing rates. We're proud of this accomplishment and hope that it shows our commitment to our investors. With that I would like to open up the call to your questions.
Operator
(Operator Instructions)
Mitchell Germane with JMP Securities.
- Analyst
Good morning, guys. Can I get some additional details on your recent shopping center that's under contract?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
I'm sorry to say, no. On pending transaction, we did go firm on the contract, so, obviously, very high probability of closing. But, until we actually close on it, I would rather refrain from making specific comments about other than we believe it's a excellent acquisition. You'll know soon.
- Analyst
What about details just on your deal pipeline in general with regards to types of assets that you are seeing. Are they along the lines of the strategy inside the Beltway upgrading the portfolios and so on and so forth?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yes and yes. We are other than the shopping center that you had mentioned that is under contract, we have at least 1 other property in due diligence and several others that we are looking at, they absolutely fit our strategy of inside the Beltway to upgrade the quality of the portfolio.
Really don't want to say too much more than that. Certainly once we go firm on these we will have much more detailed information, but I do want to reiterate; we have a full deal pipeline right now, the wheels are turning here, everybody is working hard and excellent opportunities. We are really excited about what we have coming down the pipeline.
- Analyst
Should we expect any additional property sales outside of the industrial portfolio.
- President and Chief Executive Officer
No. Not between now and the end of the year.
- Analyst
Thanks a lot, guys.
Operator
Michael Knott with Green Street Advisors.
- Analyst
Skip, I was trying real hard to think of another question that Jim Cramer might want to use on his show but all I could come up with, was to ask you, what do you think the tenants mind set is in light of all the problems there in DC and also the economic weakness that we're seeing?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
It's about the delaying making decisions. It is extremely hard to get anybody to make decisions. You could walk in space and space could be crowded and you can't get the tenants to make a decision and expand the space. No 1 wants to act right now, and it's reflected in the market -- you could just about read any market analyst report, Belt associated with major brokerage firms, they are all generally reporting flat to negative absorption throughout the market.
I think it's just reflective of the tenants are like everybody else. They don't know which way the world is going and they don't want to make a decision. It's not necessarily that they are going backwards or things are crashing but right now it's an extremely frustrating environment to get anybody to act.
- Analyst
Is that decision paralysis increased of late? It had wained at some point and now it's back. Is that what you're saying?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
It's been fairly steady over the last quarter. I think all the news, that you heard recently has done nothing more than support what had been a trend that was in place.
- Analyst
Mike, can you repeat that retail same store number excluding Borders. I thought I heard 7.6%. Is that right?
- SVP of Real Estate
That's correct.
- Analyst
Then, Skip, I don't know if you want to give my more color. You said many acquisition opportunities you are seeing, or do you feel like there is just more on the market and that is giving you more opportunities by itself or do you feel like pricing is better or how does your underwriting take in to account the uncertainty on the leasing side that you are seeing today?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Certainly to answer your first part of your question, there is a lot of product on the market. Sellers are taking advantage of -- which is a very active amount of capital that is available to be put in place. So, there is a lot of things to pick and choose through, and that's really the sort of the art and the science; you have to pick and choose the right bets.
We are concentrating on properties where we think that there's stability in that sub-market, and we think there is good growth going forward. Obviously you're not going to be buying anything today at double digit cap rates. So, if we're really focusing on properties that are in sub-markets that we think have are stable and that have a good trajectory going forward.
- Analyst
Can you reminds us how you look at expected returns relative to cost of capital. Do you do IRR's or do you think about stabilized yields?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
We generally don't do a typical IRR, where you cap a 10-year, you assume a terminal cap rate etcetera, but we look at a 10-year cash flow and we want to see the annual yield going through our cost of capital somewhere in first 5 years.
- Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Brendan Maiorana with Wells Fargo.
- Analyst
Good morning. Skip, big picture number; if you look at the industrial sale, the NOI, that's coming out from that sale or that's likely to go out from the sale, and then your looking at all the new investment opportunity just on a incoming verses outgoing cap rate basis, do you think you are neutral on a NOI basis, positive on a NOI basis, or negative on a NOI basis?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
I would say just slightly negative, not as negative as many people have predicted at different times. But we are upgrading the quality of our portfolio and obviously we haven't identified everything to replace this income. Although we are pretty close to be quite honest with you when you consider all the things we have in the pipeline. I would say that on an aggregate basis it will be somewhat negative.
- Analyst
Okay. That's very helpful. And given the process that you've gone through and the response that you've got within the industrial sale, I think you guys have done a very good job upgrading the portfolio in the past few years and the industrial sale accelerates that. But you do have a little bit less than some of the lower-quality suburban office stuff that is left in the portfolio. Does the process make you think maybe it's a good opportune time as you look in '12 to put a portfolio of some of the other non-core office stuff out on the market?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Let me at least make 1 general comment. If you look in our supplemental, only 20% of our entire portfolio, our suburban office buildings; that's all that there are, and by suburban, I mean office buildings outside the Beltway. That's outlined in the supplemental. So, there is not a tremendous amount.
Not all of those are what I would call commodity. We have excellent buildings on metros, like 51 Monroe Street, our biggest building, 7900 West Park Drive is right in the heart of Tyson's Corner. So, a good many of those are in my opinion are keepers.
Having said that, yes, there are a handful of them in that 20% that will probably be looking at in 2012 and going forward. I just want to reiterate; we only have 20% of our NOI in what I would call suburban office buildings, and 2 of the biggest ones are absolutely keepers, in 7900 and 51 Monroe Street, and One Central Plaza would be another one, which is right across from the [lifeline] metro. And there's several others. I caution you to be a little bit careful about throwing the baby out with the bath water type analysis.
- Analyst
The 20% number is understood and the industrial is only 11% of the portfolio. I guess the question was more, does it make more sense in the current environment to put a portfolio out there, given that maybe there are some buyers that would like to get in to the market and would like scale, and there is a portfolio premium, versus doing 1-off deals, which is largely what you've done with some of the commodities suburban office stuff that has been sold over the past few years.
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Perhaps. I'm not so sure if that applies to what you are suggesting commodity suburban office buildings, but perhaps. I think it needs a little more analysis to determine whether you would put a larger portfolio or a 1-off and whether there is a benefit in that. I'm just a little hesitant to give you a shotgun answer.
- Analyst
Sure. Understood. Then, maybe for Mike; I think you mentioned that you expect office occupancy to improve in the balance of the year. I think you got, there is a Oracle move-out, that's at the end of this year, so does that include the Oracle move-out and what is your expectation for maybe a lease up on the office portfolio as you look at the back half of the year.
- SVP of Real Estate
Well, I think the encouraging thing we are seeing now is albeit being slow reaction time in terms of making decision, we are seeing velocity. That 1 that you mentioned at Oracle is at 7900, metro is coming. So, there's a lot of interest in that.
We are getting increased interest in that traffic. A lot of it is that we're getting traffic in the marketplace; they're just not coming to the table to sign up. That's encouraging to us. The frustrating part is bringing them to signature.
- President and Chief Executive Officer
I would also add, that happens on 12/31. I don't think net of that we are above that. In other words I don't know if we are plus 65,000 of incremental leasing at this point.
- Analyst
For the year, the NOI numbers could move up but then you got the move out at the end of the year.
- SVP of Real Estate
Brendan, That will impact more first quarter than anything else.
- Analyst
Just the last 1 for me; the apartment deal with Crimson, the return, the 7% to 8%, can you just help us understand the structure of that, is that a -- is REIT getting prefer return at 7% to 8% and Crimson gets the split above that level or does your return go up as NOI goes up above?
- SVP of Real Estate
I don't want to get in to the specifics, there is all sorts of confidentiality agreement with the venture partner, but I would say that yes, we have some preferred returns in there for REIT. It's tough to give you a bullseye on a development project that's not even going to stabilize until 2014, but we made assumptions for where rents would be, et cetera et cetera, and we believe the property would be in the 7% to 8% range if things proceed as we belong.
Obviously as things get better or worse, there are some promotes that would be available to the developer that would occur if we start hitting typical waterfall-type promote structures. I don't want to give you the exact numbers; I don't think that's right.
- Analyst
Do you guys have a option to buyout the partner?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
It is a buy sell provision agreement which we expect at some point to be triggered.
- Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
Steve Benyik with Jefferies.
- Analyst
Good morning, guys. I guess first on just the guidance for Bill. I know you mentioned the 196-208 remains intact to sort of carry forward to 2Q11. Core FSO of $0.51, you can get to sort of a midpoint. I was hoping you could provide a little more color in terms of what the guidance assumptions were at the beginning of the year, where you maybe trending ahead of schedule.
So, for example, your same store occupancy I believe the guidance was for 150 to 200 basis points improvement from 88.6. It looks like you are a little bit behind schedule there. So, how that plays out relative to, say you guys are positive $80 million net acquisitions today, potentially going positive 140. So, how that all plays into the overall guidance numbers?
- EVP and CFO
I can try. I will tell you to start, your report last night kind of highlighted the occupancy thing and I think you are right in saying that my expectations now are that occupancy will probably be a little bit behind where we projected.
The tough part on the occupancy, as I said last quarter, and I will reiterate this quarter, is a lot of occupancy pickups that we expected throughout the year are going to happen later in the year primarily in the retail sector.
I think the biggest difference in terms of timing of acquisitions, dispositions in terms of what modeled originally, and within the original guidance, we thought the industrial sale would have happened by now. We're a little bit behind schedule, like a month and a half or something. It's not a huge amount.
That and then timing of acquisitions throughout the year, if we basically went out initially in the model and said acquisitions, total volume of acquisitions would be split equally on 4 quarters, and obviously last quarter if you count the stuff, the 1140 and 1227 25th street as first quarter acquisitions, then we really didn't have any in the second quarter, so we're behind on acquisitions a little bit. So there's nuances there.
In terms of operations though, aside from the occupancy shift, the rent bumps we are getting op renewals and things and some of expenses are probably not growing quite as fast as we initially thought.
Especially property taxes, are staying low at least again this year, so we are seeing some pickup from the original guidance model in the expense side of the equation and in the revenue side of the equation in terms of top-line revenue away from the back that we have offsetting occupancy delays.
- Analyst
I guess for Mike; you mentioned some of the vacancies in office portfolio you are struggling with a bit, hiring third party brokers to help. Maybe you can just walk us through where some of those larger vacancies are concentrated, whether any of that overlap is where the capital improvements are going on over the course of next 12 months, And what incremental redevelopment spend you would expect to flow through numbers based on those expected capital improvements?
- SVP of Real Estate
Downtown, we have been focusing heavily down there. That is one of the areas where we have a third party assignment, at 2000 M, and where we, quite frankly, have implemented a significant amount of our retro fits down there. We think that asset could be better positioned and we're hoping to get velocity out of that.
In the suburbs, there are some suburban locations where we've had larger pockets that have filled up, that have exited. We've got a building in the suburbs that we are getting a space back that's pretty large that needs to be retro fitted. On the retro fits front we are expecting the cosmetic work and some of the HVAC to be finished this year. Does that answer your question?
- Analyst
Yes. On John Marshal II, I mean it seemed like last conference call that was expected to have closed over the course of the next few months. Is there any further color you can provide us as to what's going on there; are there any other issues with the loan assumption or something else that's delaying that a bit?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, loan assumption. The CMBS loan; the process of assuming 1 of those things is basically, you put your name in the queue and hope the cement mixer spits out your name at some point in the future it and an unpredictable amount of time how long it takes. It just takes forever.
- Analyst
Great, thanks so much.
Operator
Thank you. Dave Rogers with RBC Capital Markets.
- Analyst
Good morning, guys. With regard to your comments earlier, Skip, you made this, and maybe you or Mike can give some color on it, but you had talked about the leasing decision paralysis. When you do look at your traffic trends, and what you've seen, can you break those down between grabs inside or outside the Beltway or perhaps between DC, northern Virginia, suburban Maryland, and any type of property bifurcation color that you may be able to provide if any?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
I would say it's affecting all sub-markets, first to all. I don't think that the decision paralysis is exiting any of the markets; its pretty much overlays everything. Some places are worse than others; we've actually seen some good leasing activity in Maryland of all places, at our One Central Plaza, Jefferson plaza, ironically; we've seen good leasing activity there.
I would say that the district has been disappointing. We are used to that being so robust. Not that it's bad, but Mike alluded to the fact that we are putting improvements into 2000 M Street, for example.
The vacancies aren't gigantic but downtown when you are talking about $45 rents, vacancy is magnified in termsof its economic impact because the rents are so high. We have been disappointed as much in the downtown market, not so much because the vacancies are huge, but the economic impact is magnified because the dollars are more.
Yes, I would say it affects all sub markets, certainly affecting northern Virginia, out on the toll road, still trying to work at filling those large vacancies, we made a decent amount of progress but getting the last few spaces leased has been difficult.
- SVP of Real Estate
And I would add, as well as sectors. We did indicate to you that in retail we finally wrapped some deals up that we think we're going to be able to report to you next quarter, but we fully expected those things to be completed, and just got log jammed with major national tenants and comprehensiveness of the negotiations.
- Analyst
Maybe a question for Bill; did you provide or can you provide the GAAP and cash NOI cap rates for the Dulles Station sale.
- EVP and CFO
We typically don't give cap rates on exit. Last quarter I talked about that the trades that we are making between selling Dulles Station and buying John Marshall and buying downtown are essentially cap rate neutral. They are a little off, but on a blended basis, I'd say that they are cap rate neutral.
I think we moved, what did we move, 8, 9 miles inside, in on the toll road and bought in Tysons and then we bought downtown and we did it basically cap rate neutral on a GAAP basis. On cash basis, I would have to think about that. On a GAAP basis it was a pick up. I take that back. On a GAAP basis it was a pretty big pick up. On a cash basis it was probably about neutral.
- Analyst
Great, thank you.
Operator
(Operator Instructions)
Michael Knott with Green Street Advisors.
- Analyst
On the 7% to 8% expected stabilized yield on multifamily development, that sounds pretty attractive, and I'm just wondering if maybe because there is a little delay before the start of construction, et cetera, maybe if you are trending rents to get to that number, is that on today's numbers that you are seeing?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Those are on today's' rents.
- SVP of Real Estate
Those are on trended rents. We gave a pretty big spread on that, Michael, and there is a reason for it. It really comes down to whether or not you are paying a promoter or not on exit. If we do a buy sell option and buyout the partner, you probably if you have to pay them a nice number, you are probably on the lower end of the range and if you don't, if they stay a partner, we are probably on untrended rents towards the higher end of that range. So, that's why the big range.
- Analyst
So, to make sure I heard that right; the 7% to 8% low end includes essentially no promote and untrended rents?
- SVP of Real Estate
That's right.
- Analyst
Just a question, curious if you guys looked at the close-in Northern Virginia yield where Lehman exited its deal with Monday. Is that on the market?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
That's a venture, that's a large venture. We heard about it. It wasn't something we pursued, to answer shortly.
- Analyst
That's it, thanks.
Operator
Chris Lucas with Robert W. Baird.
- Analyst
Good morning, guys. Skip, I guess 1 quick question just in terms of the product you are looking at if you could characterize the bucket it's in and maybe a census to the kinds of assets you are looking at.
- President and Chief Executive Officer
We are looking at some office buildings, we're looking at retail properties, looking at further multifamily in terms of developments, sort of the general buckets.
- SVP of Real Estate
The buckets that's probably absent is medical office, Chris. It's just so thin.
- Analyst
Then, so on apartment sides, the developments are the only thing appealing given the pricing.
- President and Chief Executive Officer
That's right. We're not even underwriting.
- SVP of Real Estate
Some of the big boy apartment guys have said the same thing.
- Analyst
Just in terms of I don't know what color you can provide in Terms of financing for the buyer or the potential buyer for the industrial portfolio. Any sense as to how levered that thing would come out at?
- President and Chief Executive Officer
I'd rather not say.
- SVP of Real Estate
Yes, we have a sense. (laughter) We have a sense of what he indicated to us and I wouldn't say it because I don't even know it first of all. I don't have a way of validating it. What we're understanding is that they're not having any problems financing it.
- Analyst
Great, thank you.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks. Thank you.
- President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you everybody. Look forward to catching up with you with more results at the end of the third quarter in October. Have a good weekend.
Operator
Thank you. This concludes today's conference, all parties may now disconnect, have a great day.