Dyadic International Inc (DYAI) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good evening and welcome to Dyadic International Q3 2025 conference call. Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following management's prepared remarks, there will be a brief question-and-answer session. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, November 12, 2025.

I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Ping Rawson, Dyadic's Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good evening and welcome everyone to Dyadic Q3 2025 conference call. I hope you have had the opportunity to review Dyadic's press releases announcing financial results for the quarter ended September 30, 2025. You may access our release and Form 10-Q and the investor session of the company's website at Diadic.com.

On today's call, our President and Chief Operating Officer, Joe Hazleton, will give a review of our Q3 2025 business and corporate highlights and provide a commentary on the strategic direction of the business. Our CEO Mark Emelfarb will provide an update on our biopharmaceutical programs, and I will follow with a review of our financial results in more detail, after which we'll hold a brief question-and-answer session.

At this time, I would like to inform you that certain commentary made in this conference call may be considered forward-looking statements, which involves risks and uncertainties and other factors that could cause that its actual results, performance, scientific or otherwise, or achievements to be materially different from those expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. Static expressly disclaims any duty to provide updates to its forwarding statements, whether because of new information for future events or otherwise, participants are directed to the risk factors set forth index reports filed with the ICC.

It is now my pleasure to pass the call to our President and CEO Zhou Hazleton. Zhou.

Thanks, Ping, and thank you all for joining today. The 3rd quarter was another pivotal quarter for Dyadic as we continued our transformation from a platform-centric R&D organization into a commercially focused biotechnology company with a growing portfolio of high-value products. At the start of the 4th quarter, we saw our first commercial bulk sale of a dietic produced protein marking the beginning of a new chapter in our company's evolution. We expect the momentum to build with additional product opportunities emerging in 2025 and accelerating in 2026 as we scale our portfolio and expand our global market reach.

We've now rebranded as Dyadic Applied Biosolutions, launched a redesigned corporate website to enhance commercial engagement, and strengthen our technology foundation with the addition of CRISPR Cas 9 gene editing capabilities through our license with ERS Genomics. This license allows us to accelerate strain optimization, improve productivity, and further increase yields and consistency across our proprietary C1 and Dapabis platforms, directly supporting commercialization and profitability.

At this stage, Diic is no longer just a story about potential, it's a story about execution, commercial traction, and growing product revenue. As we move from transformation to execution, our progress in life sciences, in the life sciences segment.

Highlights how the attic is now operating as a product company. We are manufacturing and supplying lab grade material for multiple recombinant proteins, focusing our efforts on near-term product revenue from markets where the need for animal-free, high performance materials is rapidly expanding.

The cell culture media market represents one of the most dynamic growth areas in biotechnology, supporting biologic manufacturing, cell and gene therapy, and cultivated meat.

These markets require consistent animal-free proteins that enable scalability and regulatory confidence while balancing cost, and our protein production platforms deliver on those needs.

The recombinant Human Albumin Program in partnership with Reliant Health and Biologics continues to advance toward commercial launch in early 2026. Albumin is a cornerstone protein used across diagnostics, research, and biomanufacturing for stabilizing and transporting biomolecules, and transitioning to recombinant production offers significant advantages in purity, safety, and supply chain reliability.

We remain fully aligned with Proliant as they prepare for market entry. To date, Dadi has received a total of $1.5 million in milestone payments from Proliant, including a third payment of $500,000 received in October, and we expect a share in the profits as the albumin products enter the market. This collaboration exemplifies how our platforms enable partners to deliver high-value animal-free proteins at commercial scale.

In October we achieved an important milestone with the first bulk purchase order for a dietic produced protein. Our recombinant bovine fiberglass both growth factor or FGF, is now being sold into the cultured meat market, demonstrating our ability to deliver commercial grade material at scale and validating the market readiness of our technology.

Looking ahead, in addition to growth factors, our top product priorities are animal free transferrin and DNAC1, which are now in active manufacturing and sampling to prepare for commercial launch.

Transferrin is a key functional protein in serum-free cell culture media, responsible for delivering iron to support healthy cell growth and metabolism.

The attic is producing producing both bovine and human recombinant transferrin to serve distinct market segments. Bovine transferin is designed for cultivated meat and research markets where cost efficiency and scalability are key, while human transferrin is targeted for biopharmaceutical and cell and gene therapy applications which demand higher specification and regulatory grade consistency.

Together, these two products positioned Attic to compete effectively across complementary ends of the market.

Our FGF program continues to advance beyond the cultured meat segment as we target cell and gene therapy manufacturers and suppliers. FGFs are central growth factors in cell culture formulations driving cell proliferation and differentiation. We're now expanding sampling and validation activities with additional customers, and interest continues to build as companies look for reliable animal-free sources. In molecular biology reagents, our RNAse-free DNAC-1 has completed production validation and entered sampling while we work to secure purchase orders. DNAC-1 is a critical enzyme used in gene therapy, molecular diagnostics, and biopharmaceutical manufacturing to remove unwanted DNA without compromising RNA or protein integrity.

The addict's ability to supply DNase one in a high purity animal-free form directly supports the industry's move toward cleaner, more consistent inputs without increased costs.

These products form a high margin recurring revenue foundation serving critical and fast growing life science applications. We're also advancing the development of T7 RNA polymerase and RNAse inhibitor products to expand that its position in the DNA and RNA enzyme market.

To further expand our global commercial reach, we recently partnered with Interlink, a leading Asia-Pacific business development firm to accelerate market penetration in Japan and South Korea, two of the world's fastest growing and most advanced markets for cell culture, media, and molecular biology reagents. Being a lean US based organization, we look to leverage local expertise and established commercial networks to effectively reach these important markets without the need for significant internal infrastructure or capital investment.

Interlink provides data with on the ground commercial resources and regional experience that allow us to engage manufacturers, distributors, and potential partners more directly and efficiently.

Through this partnership, we are actively introducing our products such as transferring DNA 1 and growth factors, as well as our platform technologies to new customers in the Asia Asian region, expanding data footprint across key global manufacturing hubs in a cost-effective manner.

Building on our momentum in life sciences, Dietic is also advancing its commercialization efforts in the food nutrition segment, another large, fast growing market where our technology is enabling the transition to animal-free sustainable protein production.

The food and nutrition market is undergoing a structural transformation as global food producers shift towards sustainable, functional, and animal-free proteins. This transition is driven by consumer preference, regulatory trends, and supply chain sustainability pressures, and it presents Diadic with a major opportunity to apply its Nabus platform to supply recombinant proteins and enzymes at scale.

The animal-free dairy protein market alone is expected to exceed $20 billion by 2035, led by a growing demand for precision fermented proteins in infant formula, medical nutrition and wellness applications. These markets require consistent high purity proteins that replicate the nutritional and functional properties of traditional dairy ingredients, areas where we believe that Dapabis may provide a competitive edge.

Our recombinant alpha lacta albumin program advanced meaningfully this quarter. We've entered into a term sheet with a non-animal dairy development partner focused on the infant nutrition market, and we anticipate additional agreements for our alpha-lacta albumin program in 2025.

The protein has demonstrated strong performance in product testing and formulation trials, with sampling for research and nutritional applications expected by late 2025 or early 2026.

Also in the 3rd quarter, our human lactoferrronn program continues to progress with stable with a stable production strain developed and yield optimization underway. Lactoferrronn is valued for its antimicrobial and immune supporting properties and commands premium pricing in both nutritional and wellness markets. We expect sampling for research use in early 2026.

In non-animal dairy enzymes, we received an additional $250,000 milestone payment from enzymes in the third quarter, bringing total license and milestone revenue from this partnership to $1.275 million to date.

Scale up for the first enzyme remains on track for a commercial launch in late 205 or early 2026, with a second enzyme candidate advancing towards commercialization under the existing license. Importantly, Dadi is eligible to receive future royalty payments on commercialized products, creating a recurring revenue opportunity and further validating the commercial value of our technology and partnership model.

As we expand our presence in food nutrition, we're also applying our technology to industrial biotechnology, where Diadic's enzyme expertise is addressing global demand for more sustainable, efficient, and bio-based manufacturing solutions. Dyadic's bioindustrial segment continues to demonstrate the scalability, flexibility, and cross-sector relevance of our enzyme technology. Using our Daptives platform, we're delivering enzyme solutions that replace petrochemical or animal-derived inputs and improve process efficiency across industrial and emerging bio-based markets.

Our collaboration with Firm Boxx Bio on an enzyme cocktail that converts agricultural residues into fermentable sugars continues to advance and deliver results. Firm Box is a strategic partner for Diadic with robust manufacturing capabilities across multiple quality grades, which allows us to serve a broader range of industrial and bio-based customers. Initial commercial deliveries have been completed, and sampling is expanding with additional customers in biomass processing, biofuels, and pulp and paper markets. Under this partnership, Dadik participates in a 50/50 profit share on sales, creating a scalable and recurring revenue model as the adoption and portfolio grow, and we expect to begin seeing revenues in the first half of 2026.

Our cellulosic enzyme technology is also being evaluated in regenerative medicine and tissue engineering through collaborations with pharmaceutical and medical device companies.

These efforts demonstrate how dyadic enzymes can contribute to the development of biomaterials for the rapidly growing market of tissue repair and regeneration, further underscoring the versatility and commercial reach of our technology beyond traditional industrial applications.

In parallel with our commercial initiatives, we continue to advance a select group of partner funded biopharmaceutical collaborations that extend the reach of our technology into vaccines and antibody production, providing valuable validation and non-iluted funding while we stay focused on near term product or revenue.

I'll now turn the call over to our CEO Mark Emelfarb to provide an update on our progress of these partner-funded collaborations.

Mark, thanks, Joe. Our biopharmaceutical programs are accelerating and delivering meaningful advancements in vaccine and therapeutic protein development for both animal and human health.

Through collaboration supported by the Gates Foundation, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovation, SEPI. And our strategic partnership with Doctor Rena Aioli and the Foundationi Biotechnopolodi Siena FBS as part of the EUR170 million EU vaccine hub.

We're continuing to validate the power of our C1 protein production platform through non-ilutive funding.

These efforts are generating strong data that demonstrate C1's ability to rapidly, efficiently, and affordably manufacture high-quality biologics, including vaccines, monoclonal antibodies, and other complex proteins with exceptional productivity and scalability.

Our Gates Foundation program focused on developing low-cost monoclonal antibodies for malaria and RSV have achieved key milestones in both productivity and in initial biological characterization when compared with the same antibody produced using traditional mammalian show production methods. To date, we've received 2.3 million of $3 million dollar grants.

Under our SEPI Foundacioni Biotechnopolidiena Collaboration, Diatica is eligible for up to an additional $2.4 million in funding to support antigen design, cell line development, and CGMP manufacturing scale-up.

This project has already begun to generate encouraging data, including the successful development of another C1 produced H5 influenza antigen by FBS.

Initial results showed that the dyadic H5 antigen reacts as expected with human monoclonal antibodies. In collaboration with FBS, we're preparing to provide H5 antigen samples for preclinical evaluation with the potential to advance into a funded phase 1 trial.

Other SEPI-supported programs, including the Uvax bios vaccine and the Adaptvak Consortium for broad-spectrum phyloviruses and vaccines are expected to further reinforce C1's ability to deliver rapid, scalable, and cost-effective production solutions.

Our collaboration with the process development unit at the NIAID NIH continues to generate encouraging data that not only supports vaccine development but also enhances the productivity and consistency of our C1 platform.

The insights and process improvements gained from this and other funded programs strengthen C1's broader capabilities, and these can be applied across both our biopharmaceutical and Dabis non-pharmaceutical platforms. This cross-platform innovation drives future value creation and supports the potential for additional licensing and monetization opportunities in animal and human health.

While our internal resources remain focused on generating near-term revenues through high-value non-therapeutic proteins, these externally funded biopharmaceutical programs provide valuable non-diluted funding and global validation of our technology. With that, I'll now turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Ping Rawson. We'll walk you through our third quarter, 2025 financial results.

Thank you, Mark. I will now go over our key financial results for the quarter ended September 30, 2025 in more detail. You can find additional information in our earnings press release and Form 10Q which we filed earlier today.

Total revenues for the quarter ended September 30, 2025 decreased to $1,165,000 compared to $1,958,000 for the same period a year ago. The decrease was due to decreases in research and development revenue of $183,000 and the license and milestone revenue of $1,425,000 from the Perli Agreement and the enzyme agreement in 2024. The decrease is offset by an increase in grant revenue of 815,000 from the Gates Foundation and the SAPI grants in 2025.

Cost of the research and development revenue and cost of grant revenue for the quarter ended September 30, 2025 decreased to $255,000 compared to $396,000 for the same period a year ago.

For the quarter ended September 30, 2025, cost of grant revenue from the Gates Foundation and the SAPI grants was $769,000 compared to zero for the same period a year ago.

Research and development expenses for the quarter increased to $572,000 compared to $460,000 for the same period a year ago. The increase was driven by a rise in the number of active internal research initiatives undertaken to expedite product development.

DNA expenses for the quarter increased to $1,481,000 compared to $1,298,000 for the same period a year ago.

The increase reflected increases in rebranding and the business development expenses of $176,000. Legal and accounting expenses of $83,000 partially offset by a decrease in share-based compensation expenses of $79,000.

Loss from operations for the quarter increased to $1,925,000 compared to $203,000 for the same period a year ago.

Net loss for the third quarter of 2025 increased to $1,976,000 or $0.06 per share, compared to $203,000 or $0.01 per share for the same period a year ago.

As we reported earlier, on August 1st, 2025, the company closed its public offering of 6,052,000 shares of its common stock at a public offering price of $0.95 per share. The net proceeds to the company from the offering were approximately $4.9 million after deducting legal expenses, underwriting discounts and commissions and other offering expenses.

As of September 30, 2025, cash equivalents, restricted cash at the cash equivalent and the carrying value of investment grade securities, including accrued interest were approximately $10.4 million compared to $9.3 million as of December 31st of 2024.

On October 14, 2025, we received the third and final milestone payment of half a million from Pliance upon meeting a certain productivity threshold, which was not included in the cash balance as of September 30, 2025.

For the rest of 2025, we expect to see growth in product revenue in our life sciences and food and nutrition markets as we launch products in cell culture, media, and molecular biology, while maintaining our operating expenses in line with last year.

With that, I will now ask the operator to begin our QNE session. Each caller will be allowed one question and one follow-up question to provide all callers with an opportunity to participate. If time permits, the operator will allow additional questions from those who have already spoken.

I will now ask the operator to begin our Q&A session, after which, Joe Hazleton, our COO, will provide the closing remarks.

Operator.

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press 2 to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the queue.

First question comes from Matt Hewitt with Craig Hallam caps. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon and thanks for taking the questions. Maybe first up, and I apologize if I missed this, but earlier this week you announced a new relationship with that's going to grant you access to CRISPR, commercial licenses. I'm just curious, what does that bring, to your portfolio? How is that going to help you drive, incremental growth and some sign some new contracts?

Hey Matt, it's Joe. It's a great question. And the license, that we signed with ERS Genomics earlier this week actually gives us a more powerful genetic toolbox to accelerate product development, improve optimization yields, both with our internal pipeline, but also with our customers. Having access to the CRISPR technology actually helps our partners for. Some of them that are in like food and nutrition, CRISPR licensing can be somewhat problematic. So us having access to the technology to use in these development programs gives us a competitive advantage in some of these markets as well as the ability to expand and accelerate our internal programs. So we see this as a great opportunity to enhance the already strong genetic toolbox that we have.

That's great. And then maybe a follow-up question, and picking one is tough, but I'll just go with this one that the DNA is one opportunity. It sounds like you're making progress there. How should we be thinking about that opportunity ramping 26 and beyond and how big could that ultimately become?

Thank you.

Again, a great question. So the market itself, for DNAse one is roughly a $250 million market for recombinant products today. Overall it's closer to a $1.5 billion dollar market for DNAse one for all methods of production and platforms. So as we look at, what we're looking to, we're targeting distributors, suppliers and manufacturers for bulk sale opportunities. So we're not going to be manufacturing or selling to like individual institutions, in small orders. The goal is and our focus right now is on securing OEM agreements or broader bulk opportunities. So we expect to. See it scale rather rapidly. Obviously we're getting lab grade material up first, and as we start to expand the quality of the material, so moving up to like ISO and even GMP grade, those are very expensive to manufacture. So as we get the initial revenues in, we'll be able to target higher margin segments. So it'll be a Slow growth at first we anticipate to be steady given the expansion of DNA and RNA products in the market itself. I mean there's a ton of, not just an mRNA still but a ton of opportunity in selling gene therapy as well as other markets where we think we have a great opportunity and advantage given our cost structure in that segment.

That's excellent.

Thank you.

Next question. John Vander Wilson with snacks, please go.

Thank you. So, I wanted to ask about the other relationship that you announced with Interlink in Asia. What characteristics of the customers do you think they will be for the, for those products there, the DNAse one and the transferrin? Will those be, academic centers or labs, or what do you think those customers will be?

John, this is Joe. It's a great question. So the reason we're targeting those markets specifically is that they're experiencing a significant growth in the uptake of these products with selling gene therapy manufacturers, suppliers and distributors. There's several new companies and several existing companies that that are very large. We we're targeting those organizations for purchase orders and bulk purchase orders, and then they would in turn supply the end users. We're not looking to obviously to to become a wholesale distribution network to every supplier or every academic institution, but we want to hit where they're pulling their their product from.

And and I think John, one of the things you should keep in mind on all these programs is, we're we're dealing with global markets and as Joe points out, Japan and Korea are expanding and they're not in turmoil like in the US so our global presence is paying off. As we're we're heavily involved in Europe and now in Asia and Japan, of course, in the United States, but India and other countries. So, we're kind of like in a lot of ways.

Protected from what's been going on here in the United States to some degree and because you know we really have a global footprint and we're expanding that global footprint firm box as well.

And that's a great point because in addition, a lot of the companies are worried with regard to the tariff situation. So in Japan and Korea, they are looking to improve their manufacturing capability, in the homeland, so.

Obviously us having the ability to transfer our technology anywhere in the world gives us an advantage. So I think Mark, you're absolutely right.

Well, and they need to lower cost of goods to offset the tariffs to ship back into the US, so it's opening up doors that heretofore might have been closed.

Would the tariffs apply to to your product? I mean, since it's a technology transfer rather than the product itself crossing the border, would that be something that you'd have to worry about? Or would the customer have to worry about in Japan and Asia and other places outside the US?

Yeah, I think the tariffs would be on the products coming back in, not on the technology going out, so.

Right, okay, thank you for taking my question.

Next question. Robert Hoffman with Princeton Opportunity Management. Please proceed.

Yeah, thanks, I just want to dig in a little deeper on the CRISPR, ERS, agreement.

So is that something you have to pay anything up front, and I'm assuming it might be modest. And then how does it work going forward if you, if they.

To discover a system within their genomics and you have, are they going to get a a royalty on the sales of that? Can you just kind of, I know you can't do specific numbers but if you can kind of walk us through how a license agreement like that is structured, I appreciate it.

Well, first of all, to your point, I think Joe did a great job in negotiating the deal with ERS genomics. You gotta remember we're not cutting and clipping out things going into human bodies. We're improving fungal cell lines to make them more efficient, to make them cleaner, to knock out things that might be problematic, improve qualities, and so I can't get into the finances to your point because it's confidential. But I can assure you it's nothing like you hear about the CRISPR being used in the in the pharmaceutical and the medical industry. This is really more about engineering cells and making them home at a higher level, faster, quicker and cheaper than they already are. So as somebody brought up, I think Matt brought point up earlier, we're expanding the opportunities. Our customers don't have to use CRISPR. We have different technologies. We have a site-specific integration which can allow you to do things repeatedly from a genotype, from a regulatory perspective, in the life sciences and food and nutrition. We can do random. In a lot of ways, random will give you the same result as CRISPR, but CRISPR is a little faster and a little more directed. But if you screen more mutants, you might get to the same point. So it gives us an advantage of time and and specific ways to manipulate and modify these cells. So I think, I wouldn't worry about the back end because the back end you more than make up for it. If you get higher productivity, you can afford to pay a little bit of a of a payment to the ERS genomics, and it's a great deal for them as well because it's opening the door to a whole new area that heretofore they couldn't get into.

Got it, yes.

That sounds great, thank you.

Next question. John Vander Walton with next please go.

Great, thank you. My follow-up question is on the infant nutrition product. Is that something new that's being launched? Is the customer trying to differentiate it from an animal-based product or something? I want to see if you can help me understand how that product will be marketed, to the end customer.

I think in infant nutrition and medical nutrition, what they're looking to do is basically mimic human breast milk. That, that's really the, one of the key focuses. The other is obviously they want to mimic bovine milk as well. I think you'll see the bovine products be accepted or recombinant non-animal bovine products will probably be accepted first because that's a shorter, I guess a shorter leap. Most consumers and and and most larger, companies to take because you know they're currently using an infant formula today. They're using bovine source materials. So when it gets to things like infant nutrition, ultimately, the goal would be to mimic, human breast milk. That would be the ultimate goal. But, having human alpha lacta albumin, I think you'll see it in like medical nutrition, sports nutrition products prior to, seeing it in infant nutrition, but. It, that is exactly what they're trying to do. There, there's only, again, so much, like actually naturally dried human breast milk that can be produced in a given year, as well as, bovine milk as well. Those are, self-limiting or, I don't say unsustainable, but they, they're very difficult to scale to significant levels in certain cases when you're talking about the purity and consistency you need for something like infant nutrition. So the recombinant proteins themselves give them greater assurance of the product quality and better control of the manufacturing process than you get with animal or even human derived proteins. So the goal is there, the roadmap is there. Obviously, getting past some of the regulatory hurdles and then consumer issues as well, that'll take some time, but we do see this as a great opportunity.

And, just add a little color to that, just like reliant, we've got partners that we're talking to and working with that have decades of experience in the, in this industry. So it's not like we're tackling this on our own. We're aligning our interests with people that actually have the knowledge and the expertise to drive this forward to commercialization.

If you think about omega-3, which is a, kind of a similar thing that's used in infant formula, for example, these are multi-billion dollar product opportunities. And DSM paid Martech over a billion dollars several years back, and it wasn't too long ago that we had this infant formula shortage.

So, that was a big deal.

So this is a huge opportunity and we're addressing it not on our own, but in partnership with what we think are some of the smartest people that have the industry experience for decades.

Okay, great, thank.

You for the additional info.

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Next question comes from Tony Bowers with Introact. Please go ahead.

Hi Mark. Hi Joe. I know the grant business is pretty much of a breakeven proposition initially, but, it's great credibility, great visibility and validation. What do you think, the positive endgame could be from the Gates Foundation and SEPI?

Well.

The positive endgame could be saving hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives and getting rewarded for it financially.

So I mean these people have the wherewithal, the Gates Foundation to to move this to the clinic, and it isn't just about that. This opens up the door for monoclonal antibody production and development of a faster, quicker, more efficient way of lowering the cost of goods. And if this administration wants to do anything, they want efficient, low-cost biologics because you got Lilly, you got Pfizer, you got Novo. Trump calling him into the office and they're all caving in, but guess what? It's a drop in the bucket compared to what we can do with this platform to drive the cost of biologics down. So there's huge opportunity in the end, but it's also providing technology and advancements for Dapas.

Well, in addition, Tony, it also gives us some potential avenues for cell culture media. So, one side of the fence, while we have the capability to produce maps, we're producing things like transferring and growth factors. And when you look at, those markets themselves, the growing interest in demand for therapeutic proteins means that there's going to be growing interest and demand for cell culture media of all types. So, as we're looking to launch, transferring, very quickly here into The Cell culture media market not just for cultured meat, obviously, but we're looking to launch into the ho market, the heck market, where you need these high-quality, high purity proteins at at a reasonable cost in order to be able to produce some of these more high value targets like monoclonal antibodies. So it really to me it not only validates our platform for biopharmaceutical use, it's giving us potential opportunities for us to get our other products in there as well.

All three of the of the products that you're planning to to manufacture under your own name, DNAse Transferring and Growth factor, they're all essentially they've been de-risked in terms of production validation.

And the CDMO market, there's plenty of choices. It's, that's not a bottleneck for you, commercializing these.

No, not today, Tony, but it's a great question. Right now there's plenty of capacity with CDMOs. Obviously, from our standpoint it's the cost of producing some of these grades that we have to be considerate of. But, today, we're not finding, that type of issue. The other thing we're trying to do is identify opportunities. In market right, so whether it's Japan or Korea or whether it's in the EU, we're adopting or trying to bring CDMOs in all different parts of the world obviously to, reduce our tariff implications and to improve the economics of being able to distribute these products in bulk. So you know we haven't seen that to be an issue, as of yet.

One last question if I may, can you comment on the burn and you know how much ability you have to do what you need to?

Yeah, Tony, this is paying. We don't normally give the cash guidance as but it's closer to the end of the year as you can see, at the 3rd quarter, I think we are still expecting, the last quarter to have the recognized the 5 million, cash in October we received the per client so that will be. Lacking the Q4 financials and also from business perspective I think we're still expecting certain product revenue even though the amount may be not you know at disclosed at this point so it's really hard to give you the actual cash burn at this point but we do like I said in the script we do expect the the operating expenses will be in line with last year.

Hope that helps you.

Thank you.

Next question. Robert Hoffman with Simpson Opportunity Management please go at.

Yeah, just pick actually pick up on that question, moving forward, in terms of like just head count and expenses, and obviously you're outsourcing a lot of things, especially the marketing and development, although maybe not the development, but what do you see?

What do you see about 2 or 3 years? Are you going to have to expand dramatically, or is it something that, operating leverage is such that, you have to, increase your cost structure by 50% while revenue goes up, multiples of that. Can you give us just some sense of how the business model scales?

Yeah, actually it scales rather easily considering the model that we're focusing on is the distributors, wholesalers, and suppliers. So from an infrastructure standpoint that that's not going to require significant amounts of build. So even as we scale, it's really about your manufacturing capacity and getting product to those customers so that we can do obviously through our current outsourced model. So we don't anticipate, significant infrastructure changes. The next 2 to 3 years now obviously you know as we continue to move forward and if it makes sense to to grow in certain areas we want to take a look at that but right now the quickest path to acceleration is more product that we're able to actually you know produce and get onto the market so that's really the the main focus right now.

Great, so you don't see.

G&A expense blowing up as your revenue expands. Obviously, it's going to grow, but it's not going to, keep pace. With your revenue.

Yeah, I agree.

Great. Thank you.

There are no further questions, I will now turn the call over to Dyadic President and COO Joe Hazleton.

Thank you everyone. Putting today's call in perspective, we're very encouraged by the progress we're making. Well, of course, we want to see larger gains come faster, the indicators for growth are clear. Our pipeline is advancing, customer engagement is increasing, and the foundation for sustained commercial expansion is firmly in place.

Q3 2025 marked a defining step in Dyadic's commercial evolution. With our first bulk order, additional purchase orders underway, multiple product launches approaching, and we're now executing as a product-driven biotechnology company. With the integration of the CRISPR technology, the commercial expansion through Interlink, and strong balance sheet of $10.4 million in cash and investments, Diatticapi Biosolutions is well positioned to deliver sustainable revenue and growth and long-term value creation.

In parallel, our legacy biopharmaceutical programs.

And collaborations continue to advance, providing validation for our technology and the potential for longer-term revenue streams as those programs mature. At the same time, our near-term focus remains on executing the commercial strategy already taking shape across our core markets. Our near-term priorities are clear. First, to accelerate product sales across our life sciences and molecular biology agent portfolio where early commercial traction is already underway. Second, to expand customer engagement in key global markets including Asia, Europe, and North America through targeted partnerships and business development initiatives. And third, to advance commercialization in our food, nutrition, and bioindustrial segments where our technology is enabling new sustainable solutions and creating meaningful opportunities for recurring revenue growth.

Dyadic is now executing as a commercial organization, built on validated platforms, established partnerships, and a clear path toward recurring revenue and profitability.

Thank you for your continued support and we look forward to updating you on our progress.

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