DoubleVerify Holdings Inc (DV) 2025 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Hello, and thank you for standing by. My name is Bella, and I will be a conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to DoubleVerify Q4 2025 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) We do request for today's session that you please limit to one question only.

(Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the conference over to Brinlea Johnson. You may begin.

Good afternoon, and welcome to DoubleVerify's fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. With us today are Mark Zagorsky, Chief Executive Officer; and Nicola Elias, CFO. Today's press release in this call may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to inherent risk, uncertainties and changes and reflect our current expectations and information currently available to us and our actual results could differ materially. For more information, please refer to the risk factors and our recent SEC filings, including our Form 10-Q and our annual report on Form 10-K.

In addition, our discussion today will include references to certain supplemental non-GAAP financial measures and should be considered in addition to, and not as a substitute for our GAAP results. Reconciliation to the most comparable GAAP measures are available in today's earnings press release, which is available on our investor relations website at ir.doubleverify.com. Also, during the call today, we'll be referring to the slide deck posted on our website.

With that, I'll turn it over to Mark.

Thanks Brindley, and good afternoon, everyone. Let me start today's call with a quick take on the most recent quarter. In Q4, we delivered a strong 38% adjusted EBITDA margin and 8% year over year growth in revenue, demonstrating the strength of our operating model even as revenue came in below expectations.

As we mentioned last quarter, while we anticipated some retail softness, our results were impacted by further pullbacks of a customer campaign spend late in the quarter, primarily due to agency-related changes. We saw no broad-based spend decreases or detachment of DV services and noted exceptional strength across multiple sectors in the fourth quarter, including healthcare and technology. We reported strong customer retention during the quarter with no new deactivations among our top 100 customers in Q4, and usage across social and streaming TV continued to scale.

In addition, our programmatic business continued to grow, with nearly two third of the impressions that we engage with delivered on mobile, in-app, and mobile web environments. Outside of mobile, both programmatic display and video measurement impressions grew at double-digit rates in 2025.

The investments we are making in building durable, diversified long-term growth in sectors that continue to thrive alongside the AI revolution, namely social, streaming and AI platforms, are becoming core catalysts for our future growth. Social activation accelerated meaningfully, growing at approximately 60% year over year in Q4 and starting 2026 at an even stronger year over year growth rate. And Authentic Advantage on YouTube is entering the year with $8 million of expected ACV.

CTV measurement impression volumes also grew impressively, up 22% for the quarter, continuing their cadence of outsized growth. We also saw strong interest in our ABS enabled do not air list for streaming TV, which entered general availability with a strong debut this January, with 3 top 15 customers representing hundreds of millions in CTV spend implementing pre-bid controls.

AI measurement tools like Slop Stopper and Agent ID showed meaningful engagement rates and are now being tested by six of our largest customers with a broader rollout scheduled for the coming months. Together, the areas which are most important for a durable growth story in the future are setting us up for a strong 2026.

Before turning to the full year 2025 results, I want to discuss the continuing evolution of our product-led growth cycle and what is really on everyone's mind, our take on the potential impact of AI on advertising and DV's business. DV's growth cycle and trajectory is foundationally shaped by the timing of product releases, platform enablement, and customer adoption.

Over the last year, our new product development cycle accelerated across social, CTV and AI platforms, with several major releases rolling out in the fourth quarter of 2025. With Social and CTV innovations now broadly available and AI capabilities continuing to expand, we've entered 2026 with a more diversified revenue mix driven by a broader product offering. These new solutions fuel two main product-led growth engines. First, we have a significant opportunity to expand within our existing customer base.

As we elevate product attach rates for our new social CTV and AI platform verification capabilities. We drive higher wallet share, spur revenue growth, and create broader, stickier client relationships as enterprise customers adopt more of our platform.

As a result, average revenue per top 100 customers grew by 7% for the year to $4.5 million. Second, our accelerating product cycle is enabling us to win new customers and gain market share with proprietary solutions as entry points to new customer engagements.

Our leadership in the fastest growing areas of digital advertising, social CTV and AI enabled performance optimization, is expanding our relevance, increasing our competitiveness, and landing us new logos.

These differentiated solutions drove a 90% green field win ratio in Q4, our highest ever recorded, meaning that we are winning deals with solutions in new areas in which there are no competitive incumbents to displace.

Ultimately, our product innovation in 2025 harnessed the power of AI to expand TA, improved solution efficacy, and drove stronger margins, and also helped deliver solid results that will set the stage for future growth.

We grew total full year revenue 14% year over year, well exceeding the 10% growth outlook we provided at the start of the year. We also delivered double-digit growth across all three revenue lines. We continue to onboard large global enterprise customers, further strengthening our position as a trusted partner to the world's leading brands. This momentum delivered strong profitability and cash generation with a 33% adjusted full year EBITDA margin and $211 million in net cash from operating activities.

Now turning to the impact of AI on marketer behavior and more importantly for this call on DV's business, to put it simply, we see this evolution only in terms of a creative future opportunities for DV. The ad ecosystem has always been one in constant flux. Where marketers buy ads, how they buy ads, and even how they create those ads changes with each advancement of media and technology. The current AI revolution is just the next evolution of this story.

In all of these evolutionary cycles, what has never changed is why marketers buy ads, their need for measurement and their demand for trust and transparency. Whether it was ad networks in 2010, programmatic platforms in 2018, social networks in 2021, or agent-based AI platform buying in 2026 and beyond, DV has been and will be essential in driving transparency and trust.

Regardless of changes in media or mode of buying, our customer value proposition lies in the vast amount of data we gather and the trust layer that supports the unbiased independent analytics we provide. In the AI era, the question isn't about who has the best model, it's about who has the best data. DV generates a massive proprietary data set from the hundreds of terabytes of advertising data we process every day across trillions of annual transactions.

This isn't generic web data that anyone can access or scrape. These are proprietary signals tied to actual ad delivery, brand suitability, fraud detection, and business outcomes based on contracted relationships with leading platforms. LLMs can help us interpret this data faster and more efficiency, but they cannot replace its unique value. DV has never been about the media or the method, but about the data supporting the motive.

In addition, OpenAI's introduction of advertising marks the creation of an entirely new digital media environment, and DV is ready for this evolution. According to e-marketer, ad spend on LLMs is expected to grow to over $25 billion by 2029, cannibalizing over 14% of search spend, which is a $400 billion market that DV has historically not been able to access. We believe advertising within LLM platforms has the potential to create a new search-like digital channel where independent verification from companies like DV becomes foundational.

Independent metrics in this new environment are critical, and several dozen of our current customers who are experimenting in this new space have already indicated that they expect consistent measurement across everywhere they advertise. While AI platform ad models continue to evolve, advertiser demands remain the same, ensuring ad transactions are trusted and transparent, and ads are viewable, brand suitable, and delivered to legitimate traffic within authentic content environments.

As digital advertising becomes more automated, agentic, and opaque, and as AI swap becomes the must avoid content category for advertisers, the need for independent verification, protection, and performance measurement has never been greater. Regardless of platform, buying mode or message, DV will be an integral trusted part of this ad equation.

Building on our progress and product innovation in 2025, I'll now walk through the updates on our key three product cycles, starting with social, then streaming TV, and closing with AI. As noted on previous calls, our goal is to increase the contribution of social streaming and AI-driven solutions from under 30% of total revenue today to approximately 50%, creating a revenue mix that more closely aligns with global digital ad spend trends.

Starting with social, it remains our fastest growing environment and a core driver of our next phase of growth. As I mentioned earlier, social activation accelerated meaningfully to approximately 60% year to year growth in the fourth quarter, up from around 20% growth in Q3. That acceleration was driven by continued scaling of social pre-bid, building upon meta-specific product enhancements that we upgraded through the year.

Expanded content level avoidance across feed and reels, nearly doubled filtering coverage and materially improved activation effectiveness. By year end, 68 advertisers were live on meta activation, up from 56 in the third quarter. Adoption is being driven by large enterprise advertisers, with 28 coming from our top 100 clients.

We exited December with social activation at an annualized run rate of approximately $8 million ahead of our expectations, and it continues to be our fastest growing area as we start 2026.

Adoption of DV Authentic Advantage on YouTube also expanded during the quarter with estimated ACV of approximately $8 million driven by continued customer adoption. Some of our largest CPG customers have started scaling on the solution, and we're excited about the opportunity to grow this business over the coming quarters.

Also driving social growth into 2026, we expanded attention measurement on TikTok during the fourth quarter, becoming the platform's first badged marketing partner to deliver impression level attention insights. In addition, we expanded our post-bid brand suitability measurement on Meta to include Facebook reels, overlay placements, extending independent transparency across one of the platform's fastest growing ad formats.

Finally, we expanded our integration with Meta through the launch of Rockerbox Relay, which enables Rockerbox customers to send attributes and results to Meta as an optimization signal. This launch improves advertisers' ability to drive performance against outcomes.

Turning to streaming TV, 2025 marked an important inflection point in our expanding CTV strategy. Over the course of the year, we launched a series of products to address growing advertiser transparency demands and increasing fraud in streaming environments, including verified streaming TV measurement and pre-bid controls, automated do not air workflows, and enriched program level intelligence through our licensing of IMDb data.

We've already begun to see solid early adoption of ABS do not air list from our largest advertisers, as well as strong interest in our authentic streaming TV solution which we launched at CES in January. Expanding our growing CTV footprint, we launched our integration with LinkedIn to deliver measurement for CTV impressions. This expansion extends DV's independent verification and authentication to LinkedIn CTV ads across existing streaming environments, increasing measured CTV coverage and reinforcing DV's leadership and transparent cross-channel media measurement. Together, these innovations helped grow CTV measurement volumes by 33% in full year 2025, reflecting continued advertiser demand for independent transparency in streaming environments.

As mentioned previously, the tools that we launched in 2025 to combat the increasing challenge of navigating AI slop are gaining traction with our largest customers. This momentum will be bolstered in the first half of 2026 with the launch of DV Slop Stopper for social, a premium solution to address a content arena rife with issues that advertisers are eager to avoid on platforms that attract the lion's share of advertiser spend.

2025 was a year of product development, acceleration, partner expansion, meaningful growth across all of our business lines, and continued strong margins and cash flow. Before turning it over to Nicola, I want to briefly address capital allocation. Returning capital shareholders is a core element of our long-term value creation strategy.

And as of today, we have 300 million authorized for share repurchases, the largest amount in DV's history, which we plan to actively deploy in 2026 at increased levels versus prior years. This reflects our confidence in our business, the continued strength of our balance sheet, and our commitment to creating long-term shareholder value.

With that, let me turn the call over to Nicola.

Thanks, Mark, and good afternoon, everyone. Let me walk through our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results and then discuss our 2026 outlook, including the key growth drivers and assumptions underlying our guidance.

For the fourth quarter, revenue was $206 million representing 8% year over year growth. For the full year, revenue was $748 million representing 14% year over year growth, despite variability driven by the retail sector in the second half.

In the fourth quarter, activation revenue increased 6% year over year, and measurement revenue increased 8% year over year, both driven primarily by social. In the fourth quarter, social activation and measurement together represented approximately 19% of total revenue. Supply side revenue increased 17% year over year, supported by retail media platforms and expanded publisher and platform integrations.

In the fourth quarter, total advertiser revenue, which includes activation and measurement, grew 7% year over year, driven by 8% growth in volume or MTM, partially upset by a 3% decline in price or MTF, excluding the impact of an introductory fixed fee arrangement from one large customer on boarded from Moat.

Fourth quarter activation revenue grew 6% with ABS representing 52% of activation revenue in the quarter. As of year-end, 78% of our top 500 clients were using ABS. Measurement revenue grew 8% year over year, with social measurement revenue increasing 11% and representing 49% of measurement revenue, and international revenue increasing 5% and representing 29% of measurement revenue. Excluding the previously disclosed CPG customer suspension at the start of the year, social measurement revenue would have grown 22% in 2025. Finally, revenue from Rocketbox was slightly ahead of expectations.

Turning to full year 2025. Revenue grew 14%, driven by double-digit growth across each revenue line, including 15% growth in activation, 10% growth in measurement, and 25% growth in supply side.

Advertising revenue growth remained primarily volume driven, with MTMs increasing 15% year over year to $9.5 trillion billable transactions measured, partially upset by a 3% decrease in MTFs to $0.07, excluding the impact of an introductory fixed fee arrangement for one large customer onboarded from Moat.

We expect volumes to remain the primary driver of growth in 2026 as we continue to verify more digital ad impressions through new product launches and through new channel and geographic expansion.

Supply side revenue grew 25% year over year by adding new CTV and digital platform partnerships and through continued expansion on retail media networks with DV tags now accepted across 152 retail media networks, including 18 major platforms and 134 retailers globally.

For the full year, we achieved a net revenue retention rate of 109%, and gross revenue retention remained above 95% for the fifth consecutive year. Average revenue for top 100 customers increased by 7% year over year to $4.5 million and we ended the year with 344 advertisers generating more than $200,000 annually. Our long-term customer relationships remain strong, with top 75, top 50, and top 25 customers working with GB for approximately 9 years.

Moving to expenses, in the fourth quarter, we delivered 83% revenue less cost of sales and $78 million of adjusted EBITDA, representing a 38% margin. For the full year we delivered 82% revenue less cost of sales, and $246 million of adjusted EBITDA, representing a 33% adjusted EBITDA margin to combine continued revenue growth with solid profitability. We ended 2025 with 1,231 employees, slightly down year over year, excluding the impact of the Rocketbox acquisition.

In 2026, we expect to continue to invest in AI capabilities that will enable us to maintain revenue less cost of sales over 80%, accelerate product development in time to market, while also growing with fewer employees through improved productivity across the organization. This will allow us to scale the business more effectively and increase EBITDA margins in 2026.

Turning to cash flow, we generated approximately $211 million in net cash from operating activities in 2025. Capital expenditures were approximately $39 million or 5% of total revenue, driven by investments in innovation and platform scalability. This resulted in free cash flow of approximately $173 million representing a conversion rate of approximately 70%, up from 61% in 2024, and reinforcing the durability of our cash generating model.

Our strong cash generation enabled us to repurchase 8.4 million shares for approximately $132 million in 2025, outpacing stock-based compensation expense and driving a net reduction in shares outstanding of approximately 3%.

We ended 2025 with approximately 162 million shares outstanding, approximately $260 million in cash, and no long-term debt, providing us with significant flexibility to invest in growth, pursue strategic opportunities, and return capital to shareholders.

Reflecting continued confidence in our financial strength and long-term growth prospects, we have as of date, 300 million authorized for share repurchases which we plan to deploy in 2026 at increased levels versus prior years.

Now turning to 2026 guidance. For the first quarter we expect revenue to range between $177 and $183 million representing a year over year increase of approximately 9% of the midpoint, and adjusted EBITDA to range between $48.52 million , representing a 28% adjusted EBITDA margin at the midpoint.

To provide context, fourth quarter growth of 8% reflected elevated retail pressure driven by campaign pullbacks leading the quarter from a couple of large customers. Based on the current momentum we have seen to date, our first quarter guidance is 9% growth, despite a 17% growth comparison in the first quarter of last year.

This improvement reflects expected higher contributions from our recently launched social and CTV products, along with continued sector diversification toward healthcare and technology. For full year 2026, we expect revenue to range between $810 million and $826 million representing an 8% to 10% year over year increase. Our full year revenue outlook is driven by a recurring basis of growth of core products to core clients, which is reflected in our net revenue retention of 109% in 2025.

Incremental growth in 2026 off the base will be driven by three product-led growth engines. First, adoption and scale deployment of the recently launched solutions across social and streaming TV.

Second, incremental revenue growth from existing enterprise clients scaling across our product offering. And third, continued new customer acquisition driven by DV's differentiated map product vision which integrates independent verification with real-time optimization and outcomes measurement.

Our 8 %to 10% year over year revenue growth guidance assumes a measured take on the impact of these products-like growth drivers as they scale in 2026 and doesn't assume an improved macro advertising environment.

In terms of the quarterly growth cadence, 2026 shifts into a stronger second half growth as we lap 19% growth in the first half of 2025 as compared to 9% growth in the second half of 2025.

For full year 2026, we expect adjusted EBITDA margins of approximately 34%. We're guiding to an increased adjusted EBITDA margin of 34% in 2026 as compared to 33% over the last three years, reflecting our ability to grow the business more efficiently while improving productivity across the organization. Below the line, we're implementing an updated equity incentive plan that is projected to reduce the annual value of equity grants by over 40% as compared to 2025.

As a result, we expect full year stock-based compensation to decline year on year and range between $102 million to $107 million. For the first quarter, we expect stock-based compensation of approximately $23 million to $26 million and weighted average fully diluted shares outstanding of approximately $164 million.

We expect capital expenditures, including capitalized software, to be approximately $46 million in 2026, reflecting continued investment in product innovation, AI-driven automation, and platform scalability. With zero debt and approximately $260 million of cash on the balance sheet at the end of 2025, we remain well positioned to invest in growth and execute on our capital return strategy.

In closing, 2025 was the year of product evolution for DoubleVerify. We launched the next generation of social streaming TV and AI products, delivered growth, maintained strong margins, generate a meaningful cash flow, and return capital to shareholders. As we move into 2026, we're well positioned with a more diversified business, a clear focus on durable growth and expanding profitability to deliver long-term shareholder value.

And with that we will open up the line for questions. Operator, please go ahead.

(Operator Instructions) Matt Swanson, RBC Capital Markets.

Mark, I really enjoyed all the color you're giving us on the kind of AI, opportunities and maybe kind of explain to us why the risks might not be what some of the market, participants might think they are. Also love the name Slop Stopper, but if you go a little bit deeper into just kind of what inning you think we are in. In terms of like this AI revolution whether it be from a content side or from like your internal products and just how you think this is going to play out you know throughout 2026 but also kind of the changes you might be making for the long-term.

Yeah, thanks for the question, Matt, and you know I would say for both internal and external opportunities we're early first inning. Like we're just scratched in the surface right now, which makes this so exciting, as we noted, we see AI as nothing but a huge opportunity for DV.

Our role in the ecosystem has always been one to, provide trust and transparency in buying. And whether those are agents buying or DSPs buying or, an exec sitting behind a keyboard somewhere, 15 years ago, we've always played that role and when we think about. Those opportunities internally, they're about efficiency and driving operating margin and as you saw, we were able to raise our guide this year on our EBITDA expectations.

A lot of that is driven by the fact that the things that we do contextualize content, try to stamp out fraud, driving greater transparency, all those things are done faster, more seamlessly. And cheaper through AI, we mentioned before, double the classification volume already 4 times the productivity, 2,300 times faster labeling of content. All of those things are real lifts for our business and, drive better margins.

On the outside and the external, we look at not only the universe of challenging content that AI creates as being an opportunity, so as you mentioned, Slop Stopper, we'll be expanding that into social, later on this year, and, looking at AI as a As an opportunity for optimization through authentic advantage, as well as just this big, meatball that's out there is the chatbots which are now running advertising and just as the other venues that we've entered, whether it was CTV through Netflix or social when we added Reddit in the last few years. That new platform is going to need verification. We've got many of our customers already leaning in there and spending money and saying, you guys need to be here next. So, lots of opportunities to be more efficient, lots of opportunities to build new products, and lots of opportunities to add new platforms to our mix, all driven by AI.

Appreciate that. Are we sticking to the one question?

You could ask another Matt, go ahead.

Alright, the other one I was going to ask was just on the MAP side and just kind of early responses you've seen from the bundling strategies that you laid out, at your analyst that, so just anything. I know it's still early, but anything you're hearing from your customers right now.

Yeah, so it's been a really solid response to our first integrated product which is Authentic Advantage, that's for YouTube, that is, bundling together pre-bid social filtering plus post-bid measurement plus optimization on YouTube that helped drive social activation to 60% growth year over year. And we're seeing an even stronger growth rate coming out of the gate on social activation. So that strategy is working. It's also working to introduce new customers to totally new solutions within our realm.

We mentioned that that really, extremely high greenfield win rate for Q4 of 90%. That means 90% of the customers that we won that quarter weren't using a competitive product in that space. That means we're bringing in new customers into totally new solutions, bringing them into that map system, and giving them the ability to upsell over time. So, it's been early, but I think we're getting, really good results out of the initial solutions we've launched from the MAP strategy.

Matt Condon, Citizens.

Thank you so much for taking the question. I, first question, I just really wanted to ask on what happened at the end of the quarter. Just what are you seeing? It seemed like there were some agency partnerships that maybe there was some, pullback and spend. I just wondered if you could elaborate on that and just what gives you the confidence that you have in the one que and the implied acceleration of new growth.

Yeah, so I'll take that. So what happened at the end of the quarter is related to the retail vertical. We had talked about that during the third quarter already and had already mentioned that there was a little challenge in terms of ad spend, and that continued to Q4 as we had expected. What we didn't expect is towards the end of the quarter additional pullback from specific customers that were going through ad agency changes.

That was not something that we had anticipated when we had given the Q4 guidance. Now that leads us to an ending growth rate in Q4 of 8%. We're guiding to 9% going into Q1 2026, and that's based on visibility that we have to date into the quarter. Uptick from the social and CTV products that we just launched and generally not seeing a continued degradation around the retail sector.

In offsetting the retail sector, I have to say healthcare and technology did very well for us in 2025. We're entering '26. We're a more diversified mix across verticals with retail representing less than it used to in prior years, so we feel good about having been able to diversify the mix across the various variables, the various verticals.

Great, thank you. And maybe just a quick follow-up, Mark, just as we think about, social pre-bid ramping here it's good to see that the progress continue. But how do we get that to even grow faster in 2026 and how are you planning on just driving further adoption?

Yeah, so, we saw really strong social activation as we noted, up almost to 70 customers now on Meta Pre-bid and a large number of our top 10, top 15, top 20 customers now engaged, in some pretty big brands, right, so, folks like Lily and Inspire Brands and Capital One and even better themselves. So, big brands out there spending on the platform. Now it's just about scaling.

There's always a testing process. There's always a testing cycle, and the great news is, we've launched increasingly accurate, increasingly powerful versions of this solution, on a regular basis. As it gets more accurate, as it gets to be a more effective arbiter of eliminating waste and finding challenges on those platforms, it's easier uptake for us. So we see that as a, on a really nice acceleration pace, particularly across meta, and, again right now it's outpacing our expectations and we hope that'll continue through the year.

Eric Sheridan, Goldman Sachs.

Hey guys, this is, [Alex Baglione] on for Eric Sheridan. Thanks for taking my question. I just want to dig into, some of the investments you're making this year to support the product development. Any planned investments in, and go to market to support, the adoption curve of some of these, social pre-bid products, or will the investments that you're making and what's implied in your guide just be more concentrated on product development and AI?

Yeah, as far as kind of, headcounts and people investments, we're actually looking to stabilize or decrease those over time. The efficiencies that we're getting out of AI tools have been exceptional and particularly when it comes to classification and our ability to kind of do what we do best, which is identify, challenging content and drive greater transparency and trust, we're doing that with. Fewer people at a faster pace and more accurately, so efficiency there as far as go to market. I think we have a great team out there, we spent the last few years building out a super engaged global sales team.

They've gone deeper and deeper into brands. 8 of our top 10 relationships are now brand direct. And I think that we've got the right folks in the right place telling the right story with the right products and that is going to, continue to drive growth for us throughout the year.

Brian Pitz, BMO.

Mark, maybe a follow-on regarding category comments. I know CBG has been challenging to you in the past, few quarters. Has that category recovered? Any comments would be helpful. And then any additional color on specific growth drivers going forward, are the key success factors? Really how [inaudible] guidance range?

Yes, I'll take the first question, Brian, actually CPG did well, and as you'll recall we had one client at the beginning of the year suspending its service with us, but the category did well because we acquired clients in 2024 that scaled into 2025. So on balance that category did well.

There obviously are pressures that are tied to CPG that also impact retail. We saw it more on the retail side than on the CPG side, but I think CPG has remained strong for us because of the fact that we have large clients that are scaling within the product portfolio that we have.

Yeah, and then just as far as growth catalysts that we're really focused on, we kind of hammered them in the script, which is, our social tools and social solutions, so expanding, authentic advantage beyond just YouTube and looking at TikTok as well as Meta, expanding our Slop Stopper solution into social and walled gardens, which I think is going to be a huge hit. And then, continuing to invest in CTV and right now our ABS do not air lists are really, live on trade desk, but we've got the opportunity to expand that to additional DSPs.

So I think for us it's all about, a focus on social, a focus on CTV, and then. Our AI tools that cover both of those products with, an opportunity out there as the AI platforms start to scale advertising, looking at that down the road is a is a big opportunity for us as well.

Tim Nollen, SSR.

I'd like to come back to the CTV topic if I could. TV has always had its own measurement systems, and, the TV. Network groups have never historically relied on, their own platforms to provide the measurement and attribution reporting. So I'm curious what is different about CTV for you guys versus web or mobile? Meaning, is it easier for you to penetrate this medium given you differentiated tools you can bring to CTV now? Or is it difficult given how CTV measurement has always operated under its own terms?

Yeah, it's a great question. I think, the difference in the CTV universe versus kind of the linear universe is the fact that the metrics that advertisers are using to evaluate success go well beyond just reach and frequency, right? They go to, driving results, effectiveness of results, but you also have challenges to that. So things like fraud pop up, things like, screens not being on while ads are playing. You've got views which drive viewability issues which all, drive the effectiveness of CTV.

So I think our role in CTV is a different role than the measurement companies played in the kind of linear world, and our role is not just to determine whether or not something works, but determine whether or not something's valid. And that's why we see, more and more advertisers turning us on and our scale growing significantly. In CTV we saw 33% year over year growth in volume. Because again it's a world that's not as transparent as the linear world has been.

We see bigger opportunities there as advertisers demand greater transparency, so getting show level data on a granular basis and being able to expose that. We're already doing some of that and we're starting to do that at scale with our authentic streaming TV solution because believe it or not, Advertisers in many cases on a lot of programmatic platforms are buying CTV that's not really CTV.

We can ensure that it is, that it was delivered on a full episode player in a highly branded environment, so those things are starting to become a bigger and bigger deal to advertisers as the billions and billions of dollars their scale quite a bit. So I think we play a unique role in that universe. I think that role continues to expand as we see CTV volumes expand. And the number of tools that we provide to address those problems is just going to grow over time.

Alinda Li, William Blair.

I want to just learn a little bit about how have customer conversations evolved with the driving interest of AI solutions? And have you observed any changes in customer interest in the way that you're looking, in approaches? Thank you.

It's a really interesting question. So I think, a lot of the stuff that you hear around, advertising and agentic-based, tools is really, it's still relatively early days, a vast majority of buying is still being done through programmatic platforms or through, platform enabled tools on the social networks, et cetera.

So first and foremost, advertisers still want to ensure that what they're buying is what they think they're buying, and it's going to drive a result that they expect, and that's the role we play on those platforms. It's the role we'll play with agents when that starts to scale, so. The dialogue today with most advertisers is how are you guys going to play in that new world, right, and what role will you play, and I think the role we play is exactly the same one we play today, which is driving trust and transparency. In those cases it will be with an agent who's going to search for a buy, needs to make sure that that buy is safe, so it's going to contact us first, the same way a DSP pings us first, and within 200 milliseconds we return a response that says this is good or bad. We'll just be talking to an agent in the future.

So and we're ready to do that, which is pretty cool. The other aspect of the kind of AI discussion has to -- really has to focus on how are you guys leveraging tools but with human guidance to make sure that what you're contextualizing, what you're calling brands suitable, is going to be relevant and trusted. So, beyond the accreditations that we have, which, guide us in what we do, our AI and the efficiencies that we're driving from AI and contextualization. Are always guided by humans and we always have a human hand in there because we think that's important and our customers think that's important too. So that's the second I'll just do one more quick one which is an increasing number of advertisers are just getting frustrated with the fact that a lot of their ads are running against slop, right?

And it's a big deal and you know you see statistics out there that, at some point in the next few years 90% of all content will be AI generated on the web. Some of that will be okay and some of it won't be. That's part of the role that we're going to play, we did that with made for advertising sites and content and you know we're doing that now with AI slop. So lots of questions. I think all of them are, really interesting, and all of them are places we're leaning in, building solutions and providing trust.

Laura Martin, Needham.

Sure. My first one is on events. So you guys are 2 months in your 3-month quarter, and I'm really surprised the guidance for Q1 isn't for more of an acceleration given the social media talking about Bad Buddy and the Super Bowl and all of the sort of drama around the Olympics that ended up on social media. So, can you remind us like why those big events don't drive higher impression and therefore, faster growth rates for you?

I think, volumes are still scaling pretty rapidly around social. I mean, our products there are still relatively early stage, but as we know that we exit the year, for example, on social activation growing 60%. I think it's starting the year out even faster at a higher growth rate, so we're seeing those numbers grow pretty quickly, as well. We're also starting to lap, the customer that we had, pause services last year, which was a big social cost.

So we will see social, show meaningful growth in Q1 based on that engagement and that events, kind of activity. Which brings up another good point. I mean, look, you have a year ahead of us which should be really interesting around. We've got elections, we've had Olympics, we've got World Cup. All of those will be interesting factors to see, where that activity and where that activity ends up, whether it'll be social or open web or streaming or all of the above.

Okay, great. And then my other one is on pricing. I'm so sad to revisit this with you, Mark. So when we went public, I think your average price was $0.09, and now it's down to $0.07. And I feel like we've spent -- you've spent 4 years investing in cool new products, new capabilities, you're bundling. And yet we're under pricing pressure here. Price is down 3%, although it sounds like it was worse because you had a one-time Mote customer that [gave a 60] contract to. So what's going on with pricing here? Why aren't we get, why aren't we gaining pricing pressure given all the value you're adding to product?

Yes, Laura, I'll take the first part of the answer, which is what is driving the price down right now, which is really a mixed shift between environments where we have a full slate of products that is fully penetrated and that would be ABS as a premium price product along with measurement for the open web.

On the social side, as we are, we now have the products and we are increasing penetration of the premium price side of that equation on social versus the measurement side that we've had for a while. And so as impressions are shifting from open web to social until we have A tool of penetration of our pre-bid social premium products that is not a dollar for dollar switch. The opportunity, of course, is now that we have the products we're going to see the benefit of the premium price products.

What I can say is on the social side we are able to charge a premium price the same way as we're able to charge a premium price for ABS versus basic brand safety and measurement.

Youssef Squali, Trust securities.

Maybe Nicola, if you can just help me reconcile a couple of things you said, earlier, so your NNR is about 109%, you're guiding for the year at 8 to 10%, and you said that we should see better performance or faster growth in the second half than the first half, yet you're guiding to Q1 at 9%. So what's -- what am I doing wrong in my math that doesn't make sense?

Because that would imply that you should ultimately either grow at least at the high end of the the range of 10% or even better? Or is the assumption that maybe NNRs are coming down a little bit.

So I mean you have the right dynamics, so I'll explain how we're thinking about it. So the base for the for the view for 2026 is this NRR number of 109%. That is how we're exiting 2025, and we're seeing that as basically the recurring base of growth of core products to core clients, and that's the 109%.

And on top of that, of course, what is going to drive our growth is product led engines, right, so adoption of the new products, incremental revenue from enterprise clients, there are scaling. And then acquisition of new customers.

One item that I will mention for the year in 206 is entering the year we are lapping Q1 growth last year of 17% and Q2 growth of 21%. So the 9% growth that we're guiding to in Q1 is off very high year on year comps. And so that creates a year where the better part of the growth will be in the second half. Now your statement around what could lead to growth that is higher than what we're guiding to, it would be faster adoption around these new products.

We've taken a measured view of the adoption of these new products. We feel it's the right thing to do in terms of We're planning for the year, but in order to achieve numbers that are ahead of the guidance, that's what we would have to see. We're entering the year with $8 million of NRR on some products, at least two of them that we've mentioned, that's already $50 million of revenue. It's all going to be about the speed of adoption for us to be on the higher end of that number.

Okay, that's helpful. And maybe just one other one for Mark. More if a high Kind of color kind of question. If we kind of zoom out historically we've talked about growth in digital advertising as being like a base or how fast you guys can grow over time.

The market is very large. Penetration of measurement verification remains relatively low across several pockets, and you've highlighted done a great job highlighting many of these. What needs to happen to get you guys back to growth to be at least in line with that of the overall digital head market, which I don't know, they estimate to be maybe in the low double-digits, maybe 12%, 13%.

Yeah, it's a, it's a great take, Youssef. And the data point we have this year, I think we have a digital ad growing around 6%, so you know we're seeing, we're expecting obviously better than that, which we should because that should be a tailwind of what we do, but new products should help accelerate that.

I think the key is that 6% is not all places are equal, right, and you're seeing areas like social continue to eat up dollars. You're going to see streaming eating up more dollars, and then you see other areas which I think are going to grow considerably lower. So for us it's all about getting that focus on the areas that are growing faster so that we can grow faster than the overall digital market and we noted in the call we've always been, tilted towards the open web.

And our goal now is to get 50% of our revenue from social streaming and, AI platforms, so really kind of closed areas. That will get us in a place there where the dollars are going, where they're growing faster, and I think gives us, a more accelerated view on the future. So that's why we're talking about those areas. That's where our product innovations are. That's where our investments will continue to be, and I think that's where, the future growth opportunities lie.

Maria Ripps, Canaccord.

So, as we you think about Moat customers sort of maturing on the platform and heading into year two with you, do you expect the growth from this cohort to accelerate and maybe, become a larger contributor to your overall growth? And, guess what you're seeing in terms of the upsell rate from these customers and what's factored in your outlook from this cohort?

Yeah, so Maria, you're correct. We are assuming that we will see continued scaling from the Moat customers. You will know this, right? We acquired those customers with a basic product because they were coming from a platform where, some of our premium price product was not available. So, and we've always said it would take 2 to 3 years before we see the full scale of the Moat customers on our platform.

It's going very well with some clients. It's slower with others just because it takes time for the client to unlock some of the budgets that are needed for some of the premium price products that we have. It is going as we planned, and so yes, the answer is it will contribute more in 2026 than it did in 2025, as some of these customers are very large and have a large opportunity to be upsold into our premium price products.

Okay, and I'll add one more thing, so. I was going to add one more thing, not specific to Moat clients, but an interesting thing to look at is year 3 of our customer engagement actually has the highest growth rate in aggregate of all of the years that we're engaged with customers. So on average in aggregate it's like 18% growth year two with them and 22% growth year three with our top clients. So it's an interesting take whereas you know our upsell cycle that we talk about usually takes several years and that third year of upsell is usually where the biggest is so just kind of a rule of thumb when we think about all customers.

That concludes our Q&A session. I will now turn the call back over to Mark Zagorsky for closing remarks.

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