Delcath Systems Inc (DCTH) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning and welcome to the Delcath Systems Third quarter 2025 earnings conference call.

(Operator Instructions)

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Mr. David Hoffman, Delcath's general counsel. Please go ahead.

Thank you and welcome to Delcath Systems third quarter 2025 earnings call. With me on the call are Gerard Michel, Chief Executive Officer, Sandra Pennell, Chief Financial Officer, Kevin Muir, general manager interventional oncology, Voyo Vukovic, Chief Medical Officer, and Martha Rook, Chief Operating Officer.

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Our press release with our third quarter 2025 results is available on our website under the investor section and includes additional details about our financial results. Our website also has our latest SEC filings which we encourage you to review.

Recording of today's call will be available on our website. Now I would like to turn the call over to Gerard Michel. Gerard, please proceed.

Thank you for joining us today to review our third quarter financial results and business updates.

Many of you joined our October 20th business update call where we reported the compelling results from the investigator sponsored Chopin trial, and you may have also seen our announcement about the first patient dose in our CRC trial. I'm immensely proud of our clinical and medical affairs team as they work to bring our technology to an ever growing set of patients with unresectable liver metastases.

On the commercial front, the third quarter was impacted by a number of factors, including the 340B pricing related to NDRA participation, which resulted in an approximate 13% reduction in average revenue per kit sold versus the prior quarter. We expect a similar average price level in the fourth quarter.

While there was a slowdown in the pace of site activation from June to August, we have returned to a steadier pace, activating 4 new sites for the past 2 months. There are currently 25 REM certified treatment sites. Major cancer centers continue to show interest in joining, and based on our current conversations, we are planning to begin the 26 to 28 active treating centers by the end of 2025 and 40 centers by the end of next year.

It is important to note that the 40 center target excludes clinical sites, which will appear on our website as required by REMs related regulations. We aim to build referral networks to these locations, as many of our targeted clinical sites have few metastatic melanoma patients. On our quarterly calls, we will distinguish sites with minimal commercial activity that are clinical sites to give investors a clear understanding of our site activation progress. Currently, one site, City of Hope, is active in the colorectal trial and has not yet treated any metastatic melanoma patients, although they anticipate doing so.

To support both the expansion of sites and actively treating expansion of sites and actively treating sites, as we outlined in previous calls, we grew our US sales force in 2025 from 4 to 6 regions, each staff of the liver directive therapy manager, oncology manager, and clinical specialist.

By the second quarter of 2026, we plan to expand even further to nine regions, enabling the commercial team to both prioritize building referral networks and maintain a steady pace of site activation.

As previously reported, in late summer, we experienced a slowdown in new patients starts, partially due to summer seasonality.

Each heato treatment necessitates the collaboration of a trained profusionist, anesthesiologist, and an interventional radiologist after the assessment period. During holiday periods, scheduling capacity challenges are difficult to overcome, and new patients may start alternative therapies. Fortunately, patients currently under treatment continue to return at expected rates, averaging 4 treatments per patient. And the feedback from oncologists consistently indicates Azada continues to address a significant unmet needs for patients with liver mats resulting from uvial melanoma.

Importantly, we believe the Chopin Protocol, which starts with systemic therapy, may provide increased schedule flexibility in terms of practice, since some physicians may just decide to extend systemic therapy duration while waiting for hipsato treatment team availability.

Aside from seasonality, we believe that competition for clinical trials increased in the middle of the year.

Specifically, the replimmune sponsored trial for RP-2 expanded the number of clinical sites to 24, and Thomas Jefferson continues to initiate their own single center trials. This competitive dynamic ebbs and flows as new trials start and others end.

We're confident that the compelling compelling results from the Chopin trial should lessen the competitive impact from trials as the Chopin data is disseminated and physicians experience firsthand durable patient responses using the Chopin Protocol.

As a result of the changes in the rate of new patients SARS, last month we adjusted our 2025 annual guidance to $83million to $85 million.

On our October 20 business update call, we discussed in detail the positive results of the trial that were presented at ESO by Professor Ellen Capitan from Leiden University.

In summary, the primary endpoint was met with one year PFS significantly higher at 54.7% in the combination group versus 15.8% in the profusion group. The combination also significantly improved median and overall survival, 23.1 months versus 19.6 months and best overall response rate, 76.3% versus 39.5%. All results were statistically significant.

During the update call, Dr. Vukovic discussed the significance of these findings with Dr. Vincent Ma, assistant professor and medical oncologist at the University of Wisconsin. Dr. Ma, an experienced user of Hepsado, expressed that he was impressed by the high objective response rate observed in the Chopin trial. He noted that the Chopin trial results are potentially practice changing and are consistent with the scientific rationale underlying this combination therapy.

The presentation for ESO and a replay of our call with Doctor Ma is linked on our website.

The combination treatment evaluated evaluated in Chopin achieved extraordinary efficacy and acceptable safety, despite the treatment duration being limited to just 10 weeks with no maintenance therapy. Importantly, no other prospective trial of metasecuum mylanoma has shown a higher response rate. Longer PF or OS. In clinical practice, after completing the 10-week Chopin induction period, physicians may choose to add maintenance therapies with the potential to extend the benefits achieved by combining PHP and Ipievo as an induction strategy.

The option of this combination liver directed systemic therapy regime may accelerate uptake given some oncologists are uncomfortable postponing systemic treatment, and we do know this has caused some patients considered appropriate foridal therapy to be put on other treatments. In addition to addressing barriers related to physicians not wanting to postpone systemic therapy.

And the episodic scheduling constraints. The Chopin trial should also alleviate the concerns of the subset of physicians who are reluctant to use HEPA to treat patients with exohepatic disease. Despite the fact that the focus trial included patients with extrahepatic meds and that hepatic failure is usually the ultimate cause of death, some physicians are reluctant to use liver-d directed therapy in patients with extrahepatic disease.

Since the Chopin Protocol obviously includes systemic therapy, which can treat extra hepatic disease, we believe this specific objection will diminish as the Chopin results are broadly disseminated.

Delcap is actively engaging with healthcare professionals currently using HPSAuto as well as those planning to utilize it. Our team remains committed to meeting regularly with key opinion leaders to foster transition towards establishing this approach as a first line option for appropriate patients.

With the fabled results from Chopin and ongoing positive patient outcomes, our field teams will work with clinicians to better understand how combination therapy might be used to improve patient outcomes.

Beyond our current focus on uVal melanoma, we are committed to advancing research and development for HepsAuto. We are confident that Hepsado and its its proprietary hepatic delivery system platform offers substantial potential to improve outcomes for a broad spectrum of patients with liver metastasis. As mentioned in earlier calls, we are conducting two company sponsored trials on liver dominant metastatic colorectal cancer and liver dominant metastatic breast cancer. These studies target large patient populations with unmet clinical needs. Both trials have a primary endpoint of hepatic progression for survival. Patient dosing for the metastatic CRC trial began in August of this year, with enrollment for metastatic breast cancer likely to follow in the first quarter of 2026.

For metastatic CRC, we expect the release of interim data as early as the second quarter of 2027, with an anticipated release of primary end late results in mid 2028, and overall survival date expected to follow in 2029. For our metastatic breast cancer trial, we anticipate interim interim data released as early as the fourth quarter of 2027, with anticipated release of primary endpoint results in mid 2029 and overall survival data expected to follow in 2030.

In collaboration with experts and key opinion leaders, we continue to evaluate another number of other tumor types and indications for Heato. There is strong interest in scientific rationale to develop posado in patients with intrahepatic angic carcinoma, cutaneous metastatic melanoma, and non-small cell lung cancer. Immune checkpoint inhibitors are approved and widely used in these three cancer types, and there are clear areas of unmet need in the subset of these patients with liver meds that provide an opportunity to develop sato in combination with checkpoint inhibitors. It will take another 3 to 6 months to finalize development plans for future combination trials and other indications.

The team is executing effectively on the clinical front, and we're prepared to pursue new opportunities and various cancer indications. I will now ask Sander to briefly review our financial results.

Thank you, Gerard. Revenue from our sales at Hepzato was $19.3 million, and Chemosat was $1.3 million for the third quarter of 2025 compared to $10 million for Hepzato and $1.2 million for Chemosat during the same period in 2024. We recognize gross margins of 87% in the third quarter compared to 85% for the same period in the prior year.

Research and development expenses for the quarter were $8.0 million compared to $3.9 million for the same period in the prior year.

Selling, general, and administrative expenses for the third quarter were $10.3 million compared to $7.0 million for the same period in the prior year. Our third quarter 2025 net income was $0.8 million compared to $1.9 million net income in the third quarter last year. Non-GAAP positive adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $5.3 million compared to positive adjusted EBITDA of $1.0 million for the same period in 2024.

We ended the quarter with approximately $89 million in cash and investments and quarterly positive operating cash flow of $4.8 million compared to $7.3 million operating cash flow in the second quarter.

As of today, we have no outstanding debt obligations and no outstanding warrants.

Forecasts for 2025 gross margins are expected to be between 85% and 87%, with continued positive non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA and positive cash flow for the rest of the year. The total Hepzato treatment volume in 2025 is projected to increase by nearly 150% versus 2024.

We thank you all for participating today, and this does conclude our prepared remarks, and I'd ask the operator to open the phone lines for Q&A.

(Operator instruction)

Marie Thibault from BTIG.

I'll keep my questions to just one here. I wanted to understand I'm glad to see that the pace of center activation has picked up again wanted to understand what's built into your Q4 expectations. In terms of some of that competitive clinical trial activity you called out in Q3, some of the seasonality, it sounds like it's recovered, but are you expecting any seasonality from the winter holidays? Just a little more granularity on what we should expect for Q4. Thanks for taking the question.

Yeah, when we put together that guidance, we did assume there'd be a modest amount of seasonality in the fourth quarter, keeping in mind that we haven't been through too many seasons to date, it's hard to really know. We were surprised by the summer seasonality, as you know.

We assumed it's prudent to put some expectation there. In terms of clinical trial competition, we kind of assumed the same level that we started seeing mid-year. So short answer is we factored both in.

John Newman from Canaccord Genuity.

Hi there, thanks for taking my question. I just wondered if you could comment on how you expect these, site editions to roll out, going forward into 2026 and whether you think, the current pace of additions through the balance of 2025 is a good indicator there.

Yeah, I mean right now I think it's probably prudent to assume that the site editions will accelerate in the back half of the year because we're going to have 9 regions at that point.

So I think, if you want to do like a 40-60 split in terms of them coming on board that that might be reasonable.

Chase Knickerbocker from Craig Hallum Capital Group.

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. This is Jake on for Chase. As you get up to those 9 sales territories, are there any steps that the team is taking to improve utilization on some of the lower volume accounts.

Yeah, Without a doubt, I mean, I think probably the biggest lever to pull for us in terms of lower utilization sites, or two biggest levers are one for sites that aren't getting that many patients, because some of the sites we initiated were big liver centers, but didn't have that many patients, but we're very interested in the product. Us building referral networks to those sites. That's part of the reason for the expansion of the salesforce as well as we've recently expanded the medical affairs team.

Probably the second lever to pull, quite frankly is changing position prescribing behavior. At some of the lower utilization sites, we've heard things such as, the patient has extra hepatic meds, I'm not confident using liver directed in this patient. Upfront, clinical trials at some of the larger centers, take a lot of patients. I think the Chopin data disseminating that data is going to be very important, to try to blunt that. I guess the third thing is, where there are some of the higher using sites which you haven't asked about that are capped out in terms of capacity.

I think the Chopin, now, this isn't the protocol they used, but it's not a stretch to say, hey, docs might put patients on another few weeks of checkpoint inhibitors if they need to wait to get a slot for ESAo and still put them on EpsAuto.

Great. And then do you expect Chopin to start impacting utilization sometime in 2026, mid 2026?

2026, yes. I think it would be a stretch to expect to see a step change in the fourth quarter. But I think, as the quarters roll on in 2026, there's likely to be, a meaningful publication that comes out of this trial, hopefully in December, but again, that's out of our hands. It's it's investigator in a trial. But yeah, I think, increasingly as 2026 moves on, it'll be more of an impact.

Sadan Logan Nathan from Stephens Inc.

This is Keyabon for Sudan.

Thank you for taking my question. Just got a quick one on my end. Since neutrophenia is common with tifluoridine and Typericil and, be bevazumumab, how are investigators addressing this in the phase two hips Autogate combo trial? And is this through GCF usage or dosing adjustments?

Probably both, but I'm going to ask Vukovic to comment.

Sure. You correctly pointed out that the, standard of care regimen for colorectal patients in third line, can cause some bone marrow toxicity. And we also know that, PHP with malone can also have hematological toxicity. Patients will be managed using appropriate standards, supportive care, and those adjustments and drug holidays will be also factored in.

It's all defined in the Protocol and GCSF as well, yeah, of course, right, standard care, right.

So the answer is yes to both of the GCSF and, if necessary, delays and do so.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

RK from HC Wainwright.

Thank you. This is RK from HMN right. Good morning, folks. Quick question from me, is how to think through, your participation in the NDRA program and how we should think about its influence on your profitability and revenue growth, not only in 2026 but beyond. And what are you, what is your long-term plan in terms of trying to sustain growth against the NDRA?

Sure, so, in terms of the NDRA and implications for revenue growth, this is a one time.

Stepped down due to the NDRA and, obviously we don't anticipate, although we don't know, we don't anticipate there being a dramatic change in avenue revenue per kit.

We have to see as we sign up new sites, how many of them actually participate, 90 some odd% of major academic hospitals have an NDRA legal entity. What we're finding is only about half of them end up participating because of where the site of care is for this product, assuming we continue to have the same rate of participation, the average discount we average reduction, I think it'll stay the same.

In terms of, what will that do in terms of revenue growth overall? Does it have, does it make a difference on volume? A impossible to know, and I've said this on one calls unless we have kind of a parallel universe to run an experiment on.

I expect that there are some sites that economics did play a role for such a severe disease. You would hope that wasn't the case, but it might. So net, there's probably some volume increase, but we'll never know how much.

In terms of profitability, talking about gross margins, I'll toss that to Sanders sitting right here.

Yeah, Hi RK, overall we, we've mentioned in the past, as we build up the R&D programs, from a profitability standpoint and a cash flow, perspective, it might be a little bit bumpy over the next couple of years. However, from a gross margin perspective, we are still expecting probably 85% to 80% into 2026, depending on some cost efficiencies that we can gain and beyond 2026 potentially, high 80%.

I think it's also important to know with our healthy cash balance, I just don't see any need to raise capital, just to get to the bottom line of the issue.

Thank you. And one quick question if I may, as a follow-up, so, in October I think on the October 20th call you were, you're stating you had like 24 active centers. Now you're saying 25 active centers and you're giving a guidance of adding maybe 3 more by the end of end of this year and what's the chance that you know you can overshoot that 28 number. Any commentary there will be helpful.

No, I, it's highly unlikely we'd overshoot it, are there 7 or so on deck? Yes. Do I think 4 of them are going to come out? No, I think it's, 1 to 3.

Okay, thank you. Thanks for that

Yale Jen from Laidlaw and Company.

Good morning and thanks for taking the questions. We understand there's another, European investor they sponsored the study, ongoing in as a combo, with the checkpoint inhibitors. Could you guys, give us a little bit of colors on the status or as well as, when they reported data, was there any impact in terms of the sort of practices of the sequels of the And the two treatments or any comments on that and I have a follow-up.

Yeah, you're referencing the scandium 3 trial, I believe, similar to Chopin, except they've flipped the first drug that's used. They use your chemosat first and then they move on to Epivo.

That's recruiting rather slowly, and I don't have a timeline at all as to when I'd love to have a time but I don't have the timeline right now for when that might read out. So I think it's kind of In the too distant future right now for, projection purposes to to to think about.

Okay, great. That's helpful. Maybe just one more here.

Given that you will have a symptom, constant growth in the top-line, but at the same time, you will have increased, expenses on the R&B side, especially when you start a second breast cancer trials. So, could you give us a little bit of color in terms of how you, how's the capital allocation between those two events, those things were you are planning.

Yeah, in terms of that capital allocation, I think, we're really taking this on a program by program basis.

It's actually how I work with the board. We have a fixed R&D budget every year for either ongoing trials, in this case CRC and. And breast as well as a fixed budget for IITs.

We do our homework on, I'll pick one non-small cell lung cancer we're digging into now in combination with that checkpoint inhibitors. We're going to look at the protocol, the subset of patients.

I suspect it will make a lot of sense to do it, but we have a lot of homework yet to do. And if it looks like a positive NPV project, not to sound like a business, an MBA student here, but basically if it looks like it makes sense, stands on its merits. We've got plenty of capital on the balance sheet. I think we can fund it off of our own top-line, but as I've said before, if something looks really compelling and the cost of capital is adequate, we fund it, other and other means, but we'll pick up the programs one at a time. I'm not sitting here with a fixed R&D budget in mind. Instead, we again, we look at it on a program by program basis.

Okay, great. That's very helpful and It's just congrats on continue traveling alone.

Bill Mon from Clearfield.

Good morning and thanks Bill from Clear Street. So after Chopin kind of broadly validated systemic, treatment with Hepsado, trying to read that through to breast and colorectal, given that it's not a combination with IO, but it is a combination between Hepsado and systemic, how much refruit do you see from the success of Chopin into these com new combinations? And do you see the potential or, attraction for adding in maybe a checkpoint inhibitor to to that treatment paradigm in those specific indications?

Yeah, so in terms of right now those trials are both sequenced with systemic chemo, which has stacking toxicities, and that's one of the hassles we've had with or absences we've had with trying to integrate this therapy into existing treatment protocols. And that's one of the beauties of working with checkpoint inhibitors is that you don't fundamentally have stacking toxicities. Now, you mentioned colorectal, that is, as well as Some subsets of breast, don't use checkpoint inhibitors. Colorectal, liver meds are the most common thing. The portal vein, which is goes right into the liver is exposed almost immediately with either antigens from the tumor or tumor cells themselves.

There is a theory out there that the reason checkpoint inhibitors don't work in much of CRC is because of the exposure of the liver, which has, reduces increases systemic immune tolerance.

Maybe we could turn make cold tumors hot, to use an old phrase, and Boyo has, who's sitting here with me, has talked to a variety of KOLs about that. We're still kind of thinking through that one.

But our 1st areas to go after are places where IOs are firmly established, have good efficacy, and there are high rates of liver meds. For example, non-small cell lung cancer, cutaneous melanoma, ICC.

And then just maybe a little more granular one you specifically called out Thomas Jefferson as a as a hospital that's running its own trials and and potentially competing with you for for patient enrollment. Can you quantify that at all?

I, let me see, well how many patients TJ has in their single center trials, and that's why I pulled them. They probably more than anybody else has their own single center trial. Going, lots of centers do single center trials, but Thomas Jefferson and UVO melanoma is probably top of the list. How many? 10, 109 patients for their single center trials, yeah.

That's the most current one. Other centers on trials for 2030 patients and Thomas Jefferson is the one that we are referencing the combination of fluid directed at immunotherapy 19 patients. Thanks.

Thank you.

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