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  • Operator

  • Good day everyone and welcome to the Diebold Incorporated Second Quarter 2015 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the conference over to Vice President of Investor Relations, Mr. Steve Virostek. Please go ahead, sir.

  • Steve Virostek - Vice President of Investor Relations

  • Thank you, Anthony, and thanks to everyone who is joining us today over the phone and on the web for Diebold's second quarter earnings call. Joining me today are Andy Mattes, President and CEO, and Chris Chapman, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

  • Just a few notes before we get started. In addition to our earnings release, we've posted presentation slides on the IR page of diebold.com. We will reference this presentation during today's comments and we encourage you to follow along.

  • Right now, I'm on slide 2. I'd like to remind our listeners that consistent with the company's prior practice, we exclude restructuring charges and certain non-routine expenses from our non-GAAP financial metrics. We believe that excluding these items provides a helpful indicator of the company's baseline performance and many of our remarks today will focus on the non-GAAP financial information. So for a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP, please refer to the supplemental materials at the end of the presentation.

  • Moving to slide number 3, I'd like to remind our listeners that some of our comments may be considered forward-looking statements and our actual performance may deviate from these statements. They're subject to risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our detailed discussion of risk factors on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. A replay of this webcast will be available later today. Please keep in mind that the information discussed is only current as of today and subsequent events may render the information in this webcast out of date.

  • And now I'd like to hand the call over to Andy.

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Thanks, Steve. Good morning and welcome to all the participants who joined our webcast today. In the second quarter, we hit the ball down the middle of the fairway with results that were in line with our expectations. We delivered solid revenue growth in our core businesses. FSS revenue increased by 5% as reported and 13% in constant currency. Security revenue increased by 7% as reported and 8% in constant currency. Strong double-digit order growth in EMEA -- where we are increasing our market share -- helped the Company generate modest total order growth in constant currency. Excluding China and Brazil, where market-specific headwinds are weighing on our results, orders were up solidly.

  • We expanded our gross margin by 10 basis points on a GAAP basis and 50 basis points on a non-GAAP basis. Both gains were propelled by our service margin. We reported non-GAAP EPS of $0.44 for the quarter. Before saying much more about our second quarter results, I would like to provide an update on our Diebold 2.0 transformation.

  • Two years ago, I joined the company and together as a leadership team, we began to develop a playbook for Diebold's turnaround, which focused on four pillars; cost, cash, talent and growth. We announced a multi-year plan to transform Diebold into a services-led, software enabled company supported by innovative hardware in a three-phased approach, which we labeled crawl, walk, run. During the crawl phase, most of our work was focused on taking out cost and reinvesting about half of these savings in our business. We improved gross margin by approximately 300 basis points as service gross margin increased by approximately 500 basis points and we were able to stabilize product margins. We expanded our operating profit margins by approximately 100 basis points. Our improved cost structure and stronger internal systems are enabling people Diebold to build a solid foundation for the long-term.

  • Since beginning our transformation journey, we reversed a multi-year trend of declining cash flow and delivered free cash flow in excess of 90% of NOPAT in 2014. With respect to talent, over the past two years, we have become a destination for talent in the industry. Approximately 60% of the broader leadership team is new to Diebold in the past two years, with many leaders joining from top technology, services and software companies.

  • Turning to the growth pillar, we've improved our trajectory and have recently accelerated growth in the core FSS and electronic security businesses. This is a result of our broader solution set, enhanced IP and our efforts to drive more strategic collaboration with our customers. This enables us to pursue more of the total addressable market, organically and inorganically, and gain market share. The Phoenix acquisition is a prime example. Our recent track record is encouraging and the leadership team sees significant opportunities to accelerate mix shift toward services and software and increase share during the walk phase of our transformation.

  • We are focused on increasing the percentage of recurring monthly revenue from software and services alike, which typically improves visibility and value. In most cases, these are also the faster growth areas within our industry. Our value-added services growth focus includes managed, multi-vendor, as well as professional services. For the software business, the recent acquisition of Phoenix has significantly enhanced our ability to capture more of the market. The objective to make Phoenix the nucleus of our software business is tracking to plan. All of Diebold's global software activities are now coordinated through our new development center in London, Ontario where we are preserving and building upon our independent, hardware agnostic, client-server approach to software.

  • When acquiring this asset, we had two keys strategic objectives. First, to gain market share by combining the best multi-vendor software offering in the industry, with Diebold's global sales coverage and extensive customer relationships. And second, to strengthen our competitive position with this best-in-class software offering. I am pleased to report we have early success on both fronts. At Banorte, we landed an inaugural win in Latin America, deploying Phoenix software across the bank's 7,000 multi-vendor ATM network in Mexico.

  • This win was a direct result of Phoenix's industry-leading multi-vendor software and Diebold's strong presence in the region, which illustrates the revenue synergy potential of this acquisition. This win is significant because it expands the market reach of Phoenix beyond its historical presence in predominantly English-speaking countries.

  • At Westpac, we are upgrading the Bank's fleet of approximately 3,000 ATMs in Australia, which is made up entirely of our competitor's hardware. What is most exciting about this contract win, is that we are upgrading multiple software platforms to a single standard driven by our Phoenix software.

  • An important objective of the walk phase is to improve our mix of services and software. As you can see from slide 8, we are on the trajectory to achieving our goal of greater than 60% of total revenue coming from services and software. Needless to say, large product orders can impact individual quarters, so the revenue mix improvement will not necessarily follow a linear path. Additionally, revenue from the large multi-year services deals will only be recognized as the work is being performed over time.

  • We have always asserted that our services and software would be underpinned by innovative hardware, and to that end, we will launch two additional financials self-service terminals with modular hardware, flexible software and increase our visibility. This makes six new terminal launches over the past ten months, providing us with the most current family of products in the industry. Consistent with our commitment to collaborative innovation with our customers, we will further invest in R&D and services as well as building up our IP to drive market leading portfolio solutions. While we cannot simply shift gears overnight and begin the next phase, our Diebold 2.0 achievements coupled with our financial results indicate that we're transitioning to walk in the second half of 2015.

  • Focusing on the second quarter performance and looking at order activity, we had another terrific performance in EMEA with order growth of more than 30% in constant currency. We had solid performance around the globe during the quarter. However, factors specific to Brazil and China continue to weigh on the business environment. As a result, total orders were up modestly year-over-year on a constant currency basis. If you were to exclude China and Brazil, orders were up mid-single digits.

  • In developed markets, financial institutions are beginning to adopt more automation technology to improve the retail banking experience, reduce operating cost and create new revenue streams. The industry is in an early stage of a 3 to 5-year trend for branch transformation and we are well positioned to help our customers through this multi-year technology upgrade cycle.

  • In this spirit, we are breaking into large competitive FSS accounts in North America by leading with our services capabilities. The service business is up 5% during the quarter on a constant currency basis in this region. One of those wins to highlight is the new multi-vendor services contract for 2,500 non-Diebold ATMs, with the top three financial institutions based in North America. With this agreement, the customer is entrusting us with a significant portion of their FSS assessment for the first time in five years. We also landed a competitive win with the world's largest independent ATM deployer for 2,200 ATMs and the related services at retail locations across the United States. After our first quarter win at Wal-Mart for managed services and ATMs and our Phoenix software presence at Publix, this represents another major inroad into the retail FSS segment.

  • Looking at EMEA, our targeted account strategy is resulting in ongoing market share gains. Using data from Retail Banking Research, Diebold unit shipments increased by 20% in 2014 in this geography while the market was essentially flat. We extended the last year's momentum with several new wins in this quarter. At Banco Sabadell, one of the top five banks in Spain, we signed a five year multi-vendor service contract covering more than 2,000 ATMs, as well as the delivery of 800 new ATMs. At Al Rajhi Bank in Saudi Arabia, we secured a branch automation win for 300 units, that will automate transactions and reduce operating expenses by more than half. And also at one of the largest French banks, we were awarded a multi-year professional services deal.

  • Latin America is an early proof point of our business expansion strategy. We're winning a majority of the FSS business in the market. However, overall orders were down on a year-to-year compare due to the softness in the Brazilian market. On the other hand in Mexico, we grew orders double digits, including an order for more than 2,000 ATMs equipped with our unique anti-skimming technology, our largest ActivEdge order to-date. We have a similar story in Asia-Pacific; where total orders were negatively impacted by reduced volumes in China, where the government is encouraging banks to increase their use of domestic technology providers. We're combating these headwinds with double-digit growth in services in the AP regions as banks innovate their business models.

  • Turning to electronic security, we grew orders by 11% in constant currency and posted our seventh consecutive quarter of meaningful order growth. We added 25 new logos to our ES business, including ConocoPhillips, the September 11th Memorial in New York, Knowledge Universe and two national rental car companies. Our electronic security business is growing faster than the broader market with double-digit revenue growth in the quarter and year-to-date. Additionally, it was encouraging for our electronic securities team to be recognized as Installer of the Year, by Security Sales & Integration Magazine in April.

  • Turning to our guidance for 2015, we are maintaining our outlook for total revenue and all non-GAAP metrics. With respect to revenue mix, we are increasing the outlook for FSS, while decreasing our expectations for Brazil other. At the halfway point of the year, we're encouraged by the 8% constant currency growth in our core business backlog, which is attributable to our recent momentum and success, with large accounts. The good news is that we are winning more large deals and we now have the product order backlog, as well as the recurring services revenue, to deliver on our full-year outlook. Chris with elaborate more on the timing of these deals.

  • To summarize, we had a solid quarter, generating top-line growth in our core business. When we launched the Diebold 2.0 transformation, we knew that most of our success was within our control. The newly formed leadership team has demonstrated an ability to deliver on these expectations. As we begin to enter the walk phase, we will continue to execute on cost, cash and talent; while placing a greater emphasis on improving our revenue mix and sustaining our top line growth, especially in services and software. We remain upbeat about the opportunities emerging from the transformation taking place within our industry and our company.

  • Before I conclude my prepared remarks, as you might have seen in our announcement this morning, the company continues to streamline and simplify its leadership structure and as a result, we eliminated the COO position. On a personal note I want to thank George Mayes for his help during my first two years at Diebold. We wish George all the best in the next steps in his career. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chris for more details on our financial performance.

  • Christopher Chapman - Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President

  • Thanks, Andy, and good morning everyone. I will start off by walking through our second quarter financial performance and then provide an update on our 2015 outlook. Starting on slide 11, in the second quarter, total revenue as reported was flat to prior year. In constant currency, however, total revenue increased approximately 8%. Focusing on our core business, FSS and security grew 5% as reported or approximately 12% in constant currency. This growth in our core business more than offset the decline in Brazil other business, which had significant activity in the second quarter of 2014.

  • North America had solid constant currency growth of approximately 14%, driven by strong activity in both the FSS and electronic security business. Additionally, Latin America, excluding Brazil other, had growth of more than 30% in constant currency, with our strong order activity over the last several quarters driving the revenue growth. Finally, EMEA grew 8% in constant currency for the quarter while Asia Pacific was down 6% adjusted for currency. As you can see on our slides, currency continues to have a significant impact on our 2015 results. In the quarter, currency headwinds negatively impacted total revenue by approximately 8%.

  • As we move to slide 12, financial self-service revenue increased approximately 5% as reported. On a constant currency basis, FSS revenue grew 13% with three of our four regions reporting growth in the quarter versus the prior year period.

  • Revenue in Asia Pacific declined in the quarter by 8% in constant currency, primarily due to declines in China where the government has implemented an initiative to shift a significant percentage of technology-related purchases from foreign providers to local suppliers.

  • North America grew in the high teens in constant currency, primarily due to large national account projects. On a constant currency basis, EMEA increased approximately 8% as we continue to gain share by executing our account-focused strategy in the region.

  • In Latin America, we had nearly 40% growth adjusting for currency driven by the strong activity we previously highlighted.

  • Total security revenue, on slide 13, increased approximately 7% or 8% in constant currency. Electronic security revenue increased approximately 12% or 15% in constant currency with a 2% decline in our physical security business. Electronic security represented approximately two-thirds of our total security revenue in the quarter. Our electronic security growth has continued to outpace the market growth rates as our investments in people and technology are paying off.

  • Looking at slide 14, Brazil other declined approximately $36 million versus prior year with minimal activity reported during the period.

  • On slide 15, total gross margin improved 50 basis points to 26% on a non-GAAP basis. This improvement was driven by 100 basis point expansion in service gross margin to 31.8%. We're pleased with the continued service gross margin improvement over the past several quarters, which resulted from our global service transformation efforts and improved mix of higher margin services. Product gross margin slightly decreased by 20 basis points to 18.5%, primarily the result of geographic mix and higher volume of national account business in North America.

  • Moving on to slide 16, total operating expense was 20.1% of revenue compared with 19.3% in the prior year period, reflecting a $6.5 million increase for the quarter. The increase was due to higher foundational reinvestment related to transformation. Consistent with our prior outlook, we expect our pace of reinvestments to begin to ramp down towards the end of the year. In addition, the recent acquisitions of Phoenix and Cryptera were not in our prior year results.

  • Turning to slide 17, we have realized $63 million in net cost savings since the program's beginning. We had reinvestments in the first half of 2015 of $12 million and expect approximately $20 million in re-investments for the full year. As we've discussed on previous calls, the vast majority of our reinvestments are hitting the operating expense while approximately two-thirds of the savings come through in the gross profit line. For the year, we are on track to realize $40 million gross savings, which after investments will result in an additional $20 million in net program savings.

  • Turning to slide 18, non-GAAP operating profit decreased approximately 6%, but was flat on a constant currency basis from the prior year. Our operating margin decreased 40 basis points reflecting our reinvestments.

  • Looking at operating profit by segment on slide 19. North America improved $1.6 million versus the prior year, benefiting from increased volume in our national account business and continued cost improvements resulting from our service transformation efforts. Asia-Pacific improved $1 million, driven by higher service revenue and margin performance, as we focus on expanding the services segment of our business. This has been partially offset by lower product volume in China. EMEA decreased approximately $8 million due to the impact of currency and mix of business across the region as we faced a tough comparison with the prior year. In Latin America, operating profit increased by $4.5 million, driven by strong performance in Mexico and Colombia, which more than offset the impact of the Brazil other business. The change in the global and corporate line reflects the business reinvestments we're making. In summary, we are pleased with the broad-based momentum across our regions.

  • Turning to the EPS reconciliation on slide 20, non-GAAP EPS was $0.44 for the quarter. This excludes restructuring charges of $0.08, legal, indemnification and professional fees of $0.04, $0.01 related to Brazil indirect tax and a benefit of $0.03 primarily related to the allocation of discrete tax items. The non-GAAP effective tax rate came in at 27.8% and 27.3% on a year-to-date basis.

  • Moving on to free cash flow on slide 21, our results in the quarter reflect a $52 million free cash use, which improved approximately $20 million from the same period last year. This is primarily due to improved working capital performance.

  • Turning to slide 22, DSO reflected an increase of 2 days to 61 days in the quarter versus the same period last year, primarily due to timing of revenue within the quarter, as well as geographic mix. Inventory turns improved increasing to 5.2 turns, compared with 4.6 turns in the second quarter 2014, reflecting continued improvements in our global supply chain.

  • Net debt on slide 23 for the period was $306 million, an increase of $259 million from year-end 2014. As noted in the first quarter call, the increase in net debt is largely attributable to the acquisition of Phoenix, adverse exchange rates on cash balances, as well as working capital expansion to support our growth. The company's net debt-to-capital ratio was 27% at the end of the current quarter and 5% at the end of 2014.

  • In June of this year, we entered into a second amendment to our existing credit agreement, which provides for a new $230 million Term Loan A with a scheduled maturity of August 2019. The company received the full proceeds and applied it to the existing credit facility. The amended credit agreement continues to provide a revolving credit facility with availability of up to $520 million. This move increases our liquidity and strengthens our ability to finance the $175 million of private placement debt expiring in the first quarter of 2016.

  • Looking at our outlook on slide 24, we are maintaining our full year 2015 total revenue guidance. However, the composition of revenue is expected to shift more towards our core business. We're raising our revenue outlook for financial self-service from flat to up 2% to growth of 1% to 3% on an as reported basis. At the same time, we are reducing our revenue expectations for the Brazil other business to reflect continued delays in purchase decisions emanating from the current political situation in that country. We continue to expect currency headwinds of approximately 6% for the full year. We're also maintaining our outlook for non-GAAP EPS to be in the range of $1.70 to $1.90 and continue to expect a full year non-GAAP effective tax rate of about 30%.

  • While we don't provide quarterly guidance, I'd like to give you some additional color for the remainder of the year. We have a higher backlog in our core business. However, it's comprised of more large deals than at the same time last year. Based on the current installation schedules of these large projects combined with the fact that we expect a sizable reduction in our reinvestment spend, it is likely that about two-thirds of our second half earnings will come through in the fourth quarter.

  • Finally, we are maintaining our free cash flow outlook for the year of approximately $120 million, which includes an approximate $5 million increase in capital expenditures and a $10 million voluntary contribution to our North America pension plans, which we made in the first quarter.

  • Overall, our second quarter results indicate that we are on track to meet our full year expectations. We are delivering consistent results and are executing on our Diebold 2.0 strategy while also improving our control environment. As Andy highlighted, we are encouraged by the momentum we are creating to become a more services led software enabled company.

  • Our recent multi-vendor services wins, new Phoenix software contracts, increasing service profitability and growth in our core business gives us confidence as we transition to the walk phase of our transformation. We still face some near-term challenges, some of which are outside our control such as the situation in China and Brazil. But we are confident that through our transformation efforts, we are laying a strong foundation for long-term, sustainable growth and profitability.

  • With that, I will open up the call for questions.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Today's question and answer session will be conducted electronically. (Operator Instructions) Gil Luria, Wedbush Securities.

  • Gil Luria - Analyst

  • Yes, thanks for taking my question. Good morning. Wanted to talk about some of the regions you mentioned, so China this has been an issue that seems to have been getting worse, do you expect that business to just go away over time that the Chinese banks will eventually all buy from the incumbent, from the local provider?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Good morning, Gil. This is Andy. You're correct. China has basically moved the goalpost. If you take a look at what has happened over, let's say, the last 20 years, in the beginning it was okay to operate in China as a wholly-owned foreign entity, then multinational companies were okay. And today, you got to be more Chinese to do business in China. Now the task for all tech companies, including ourselves is to come up with a strategy of how we comply with that approach towards being more Chinese, while at the same time, making sure we adhere to U.S. business practices and make sure we adhere to the processes and controls that we've implemented in our company. So it's a big to do, it's not a trivial situation, it's something that we are working on the lot and we think we got to come up with a really good answer, but not something you want to rush into.

  • Gil Luria - Analyst

  • And then Brazil, it seems like the level of activity there is tied to the political situation. Is it now at a point where you are at a baseline maintenance level of activity or could we see even more declines there as with the continued political uncertainty?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Well Gil to your point, like in all countries, our sizable installed base and our big service business always provides a floor to our revenue in any geography. That also holds true in Brazil. We would expect that we're somewhere at a baseline. And if you take a look at the country, while it is going through rough times at the moment as an economy, the long-term perspective for the Company is still very positive and in the long run Brazil will turn back into a growth opportunity.

  • Gil Luria - Analyst

  • Great. And then finally, on Europe, you talked about a favorable mix driving the operating profit down there. What's the mix shift more specifically there and is it something that's just based on the tough comps that are specific to the quarter?

  • Christopher Chapman - Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President

  • Yes. it's really based on the tough comps. Again, it was just a mix of some customer projects that we had last year that had fairly nice margins and year-over-year, we've got a little bit different mix of the overall business than we did in previous year. That's a big driver.

  • Gil Luria - Analyst

  • Got it, thank you very much.

  • Joe Radigan - Analyst

  • Joe Radigan, KeyBanc.

  • Joe Radigan - Analyst

  • Hi, good morning guys. First, on product gross margin, I believe you cited geographic mix as one of the primary reasons for the product gross margin decline. But North America was up 13%, which is your most profitable region. Is it really just a function of the mix between customers within North America? Or are you seeing increased pricing pressure or is there something else going on there?

  • Christopher Chapman - Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President

  • No. With regards to your last point, not seeing increasing price pressure in North America; the big thing within North America that you hit upon there higher portion of national, regional account activity down, and there's a big disparity in the margins between pieces of the business. That's a big driver.

  • Joe Radigan - Analyst

  • Okay, and then Andy, the decision to eliminate the COO position? I guess why now, is it just that your comfort level around the new leadership that you've brought in? Is it where your -- the progress you've made on the transformation effort? Just a little --maybe a little background on the timing of that decision.

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Sure. These are always tough decisions to make, but as a company, we've been putting a lot of effort in taking out management layers, streamlining the organization, hiring great talent as close to the customer as possible. And when you do that, we've done that -- we started doing that in the middle management ranges at the beginning of our turnaround -- at some point in time you also have to do it at the top of the organization. At the end, it will also increase our decision-making processes and it'll make us a little bit more customer-centric in our approach going forward. Why now? We are right at the turning point between a crawl phase that we've pretty much concluded; we've put our processes in control; we have our systems; we feel very comfortable that the cost containment thought processes is becoming part of the general DNA of the company and then we're opening a new chapter on the walk side of the house where we're going more into a services-led, software enabled business, which will ultimately require a slightly different and if want to add growth to the picture also a more scalable management model. That's why.

  • Joe Radigan - Analyst

  • Okay, great. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Matt Lipton, Autonomous Research.

  • Matt Lipton - Analyst

  • Hi, good morning everybody. I guess I want to talk about the services gross margin first, lots of new activity on managed service agreements and multi-vendor deals, can you talk about relative to the company average of 32% services gross margin, how additive these deals can be or what happened?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • First of all, we only do deals that at the end of the day are accretive to the company and all these large deals you want to choose very wisely, because every one of them is going to be a long-term engagement of the company with a customer and it's also a long-term partnership that you are entering into. From a cost point of view, services, anywhere you look at the world, is the utilization game. So we're making certain that we have an invent-once-reuse-often model. So for instance, take the managed services agreement and the multi-vendor services agreement that we had in the U.S., we had a major win in Q1 with BBVA Compass. And that's pretty much an East Coast-centric type of customer. So as we were expanding our multi-vendor services activities, we made sure we're looking for geographies where we can reuse the people that we're training on other people's gear and get again good leverage out of those workforces. So you want to be very smart about how you do it. There is always a little bit of a ramp-up in that business, but we're very confident and we see that as a big growth path for the company going forward.

  • Matt Lipton - Analyst

  • (inaudible) with Phoenix in the numbers a bit this quarter, was that a noticeable inorganic help to the services gross margins?

  • Christopher Chapman - Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President

  • No, it's not. It's not large enough to swing the numbers. Again, the Phoenix activity is accretive and it will continue to be accretive both on the gross margin side, and for the full year as we indicated last time. It's probably going to be a little more neutral to earnings, with all the integration costs and everything else and from that perspective, but it's not large enough to move the needle significantly, at this time but we'll continue to improve it over the quarters to come.

  • Matt Lipton - Analyst

  • Got it, and then shifting gears, just wanted to talk about Australia, very quick. It's not a market that I know very well or have ever heard anyone in the ATM business talk about, but I saw that you did sign up a new multi-vendor deal there, which potentially gives you a better foothold in that country. Is it also an underserved market similar to kind of the experience you've had in UK and Spain, where you might be able to go in and take share with a new product and the services footprint? Thanks.

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Australia is a very unique market. It's also always a test market for the Asian players and just about any technology. The thing to highlight is our win in Australia, it's a software win. So at Westpac, there's not a single Diebold machine in the account, they had multiple software vendors. They were a Phoenix legacy account to a certain degree and they also had a big chunk of software from one of our main competitors and some other stuff, and the customer wanted to standardize, have one platform, one user approach, one common look and feel and they chose the best product they could find. That was Phoenix. So we're very excited. If anything, it's a good indication that the vendor independent approach that we have with the software is applicable and is applicable in geographies and in accounts, where we have not even been in before and it enlarges the TAM that we have as a company. And we are extremely encouraged that we were able to grow a legacy Phoenix account into something really big under the new combined company.

  • Operator

  • Matt Summerville, Alembic Global Advisors.

  • Matt Summerville - Analyst

  • Good morning, couple of questions. First, can you talk about how we should think about the sequential cadence in both product and service margins second half of the year versus the first half. And then it sounds to me like there is a lull going on in the small bank market in North America, probably in this post Windows 7 sort of timeframe. When do you expect to see that section of the marketplace re-accelerating.

  • Christopher Chapman - Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President

  • Hi, Matt, this is Chris; I'll take the first half of that. With regards to second half margins and we've talked about this in the past, I don't expect the service margins to always follow a nice linear path. The third quarter, typically we have some underutilization in a couple of the markets, especially a market like Europe, where you have a pretty big holiday schedule. So typically the third quarter service margins, we see those come down and this year will be no different and then ramp back-up on a full year basis in the fourth quarter, and as we see a bit more utilization. Product margins expect to be fairly well in line with what you've seen on a year-to-date basis, based on the mix of activity we currently see.

  • Matt Summerville - Analyst

  • Okay. And then the margin. No, I was just going to repeat my second question, sorry.

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Matt, we didn't forget you. So with regard to North America, I think your observation is correct, the regional banks opened their purse strings during the Windows 7 upgrade. When you do that you always do a little bit more than what you have to do and we've benefited from that last year. Right now, if you take a look at who is heavily investing, you'll see the larger financial institutions more on the forefront, which is why we're so excited, that we are now back in two of the three top banks in North America. And I would expect the regionals to come back to the table as EMV is looming around the corner. But as you know, there is no hard date, no cliffs that you're managing to, so that will probably be more towards the end of the year going into the new year. The one thing that we see and we're still very - it's early and we're careful about it- but we see more and more interest in the regionals bank space around our managed service offerings around ATMs and ATM upgrades. And that's an area that we put a lot of energy into and that we think is going to yield good results for the company in the out years.

  • Matt Summerville - Analyst

  • One of the things that you've been talking about in the past was on these bigger managed service deals and certainly there's lots of different things you've been talking about the last two quarters at least. I guess if you had to point to one or two things and there was always statements like that, these are multi-year discussions that sort of takes forever, then why is the logjam just breaking now? Why are all these deals coming down Diebold's way all of sudden and I guess what does the go forward funnel look like on these bigger transactions?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • That's a great question. Look, I've also said pursuit on these deals is anywhere between 12 and as much as 24 months. We started to go down that route as early as late 2013 when we talked about a change in the trajectory of the company to being a services-led software-enabled company. And if you basically add 18 months to the end of 2013, you're here end now. So actually that's a normal development of a sales funnel that has been building over the last one to two years. And looking forward, I'm encouraged about the level of conversations that we're having. And if you also recall, at some of the earlier calls, I said these big deals are like penguins off the Iceberg. And let me take Spain as a great example here. If you recall, last year our big services deal was Bankia, where we did the total implementation services for that bank for some 2,000 machines. And about a year later, there is a second Spanish bank that goes down the very same route, goes into a managed services agreement with us with Banco Sabadell. And because they're all watching each other in the market, and if a model is innovative, if a model is attractive and shows positive result in the market, word gets around and your funnel increases. So we're very upbeat about the opportunities, but again they will take their time and they're going to work themselves through the system.

  • Matt Summerville - Analyst

  • Great. Thanks, guys.

  • Operator

  • Saliq Khan, Imperial Capital.

  • Saliq Jamil Khan - Analyst

  • Great, thank you. Hey, Andy, during the first quarter you had announced a deal with Wal-Mart where Diebold have replaced a competitor. Could you give us an update on the relationship and the installation progress?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Happy to. Relationship is good and installation is going well. It's all tracking to plan. Now, keep in mind, Wal-Mart - when Chris talks about timing, you've probably highlighted one of the biggest elements of that, because as you can imagine the retailers will not let you do anything in their stores -- as innovative as it may be -- in the pre-holiday shopping season. So the majority of the rollout will actually be in the beginning of 2016.

  • Saliq Jamil Khan - Analyst

  • Got it. As you are looking at particularly with the securities, because you saw a pretty big uptick within electronic security revenues, what has been the factor in regards to you winning new electronic security contracts and retaining those clients? I guess, my question essentially is what are these clients coming to you for, what's the big need that they need that Diebold's able to plug the hole in?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • In my mind, there is three elements to the answer. First, if you recall, we said 18 months ago, they were going to increase the amount of salespeople that we add to this electronic securities team, and we were able to attract really good folks. We increased our workforce by roughly 40, 50 folks at the time. And that goes back to the old sales axiom that you sell more when you show up. So that is just working itself through the funnel. The activity has been building and people are now closing deals.

  • Second, our technology, especially around SecureStat, is such a unique opportunity. If you remember, SecureStat is pretty much a portal that enables you to switch your electronic security provider without having to upgrade or even forklift any of the equipment that you have in the building. So if you guys in your company wanted us to monitor your offices, you could give us a call tomorrow. We'll put SecureStat on your server and we'll switch you over to our monitoring center. The minimum switching cost give customer a choice to go to a company and now it's the third aspect of the sales approach. As you know, we only focus on large accounts -- national or large regionals. And it's the same thing that we have on the FSS side in our targeted account strategy that we have in Europe. When you have a targeted account strategy, you do nothing but that type of business, nothing but that type of support, it shows up in the level of quality, in the level of dedication, in the level of service you give to a customer, and customers like it. So you combine all three and then if you want to sprinkle a little pixie dust on top of it, we've just done this teamwork with Eagle Eye, which is a really innovative cloud-centric video solution. We've got a very attractive value proposition in our ES business.

  • Saliq Jamil Khan - Analyst

  • We know that the guys at EagleEye pretty well and it's a pretty unique proposition that they have from a product and solution perspective. But the last question I had for you was, we kind of hinted upon this earlier in the conversation as well, but much of what is going on in China is out of anyone's control, what are you doing right now to offset the decline in revenues from APAC?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Well, the answer to this one is services and software. If you put China, it falls into two buckets. Decrease in our product revenue, and if you want to be even more specific, the bigger the bank the larger the decline because that's where the government, of course, is leaning on the most. But the offset is the service revenue within China, but also the service revenue within the region. And you can see - and I don't think it's by happenstance; we talked about the Phoenix win in Australia earlier. On previous calls, we talked about our very successful managed service business that we have in India and in Southeast Asia. It's not by happenstance that the market is going this way because the banks are really all over Asia trying to innovate their business models and we were very well positioned to take advantage of that. And if you balance all of that out, we think we can offset quite a lot of the China headwind, any given quarter it might be a tough comp.

  • Saliq Jamil Khan - Analyst

  • Thank you, Andy. I appreciate it.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Meghna Ladha, Susquehanna.

  • Meghna Ladha - Analyst

  • Thanks for taking my question. Can you help us understand what specifically changed since last quarter that's leading you to raise your financial self service guidance today?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • We won more deals.

  • Meghna Ladha - Analyst

  • Was that just primarily - like I said just globally is it North America? I mean, I know that you saw a lot of market share gains in Europe, Middle East, Africa. Was it Europe that helped you increase your guidance today or was it just globally you are just winning more deals?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Meghna, the great thing is we see very positive momentum all around the globe. We've had great deals in Southeast Asia. We've got some great successes especially in the Middle East and Africa, and Western Europe right up there on the forefront. Let me just take the UK as an example. We talked about our account-centric approach. We were able to lever in a relationship that we have with one of the largest banks in the world, with HSBC and used that as an entry into the UK and HSBC has gone from being a complete competitive account to being a very attractive account for Diebold. We gained some significant market share in the UK. We talked about the big win that we had in Spain. We've got big wins in North America.

  • So Latin America, while Brazil weighs on the overall number, again it's one of those funny things about the geography and as long as I've been in business in LatAm for the last 20 years, there's always a seesaw effect. Whenever Brazil is down, Mexico is up. And that's again the case in this cycle and we're taking great advantage of it. We've got incredible flow share in Mexico in 2014 and especially now in 2015. So a lot of goodness. And then you add on top of all, we've introduced our next-gen product line. Customer feedback is very positive. We've got the most current product line in the industry. So between movement in the market, good sales activities on the Diebold side and a great product line, we feel extremely excited about the FSS space. And then you add services around it as a springboard into long-term, repetitive, recurring monthly revenue and we like our hand.

  • Meghna Ladha - Analyst

  • That's great, Andy, thank you so much for the color. Just a quick question on capital allocation. Are you still considering smaller digestible software type acquisitions or could there be possibility of a larger acquisition if the right opportunity presents itself?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Meghna, this is the tech industry. Anything is possible. We have a very prudent approach to M&A. We've said from the very beginning that wherever we think a buy-versus-make will help us to gain more IP or more market access sooner than if we were to do it home-grown, then we would entertain it assuming, and that's the big line that we draw in the sand, assuming the acquisition is accretive. And if you take a look at our tuck-ins that we've done with Cryptera and with Phoenix, they're both on a very good trajectory. We just did the one year review of Cryptera. It's actually ahead of the business case that we had at the time. So we're feeling very good. When and if the right opportunity presents itself and it meets all the hurdle rates that we're putting onto the company in our decision-making process, we do have the firepower to pull the trigger, but we're not rushing into anything.

  • Meghna Ladha - Analyst

  • Thank you so much.

  • Operator

  • Justin Bergner, Gabelli & Company.

  • Justin Bergner - Analyst

  • Wanted to address a couple things. Starting with share gains, you called out that you're taking share in EMEA and I think you cited 20% growth versus a flat market. If you maybe could sort of quantify that or just remind us the magnitude of the share gains in EMEA, and to what extent are you gaining share in other regions?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Justin, in 2014, it was roughly 20% if you take if you take RBR as your baseline. Also if you to take a look at our numbers, both orders and revenues were up around 20%. So very consistent between unit and revenue. And again this is all centered around targeted accounts, especially in the UK, Spain, France, some of the other countries there. And we talked about Asia-Pac, where we're gaining market, especially in the ASEAN markets, in India and we're also back in the large account business in North America. I mean, the reason why we're so excited about the one big services win is because the customer pretty much had a five-year hiatus in terms of procurement from Diebold and we got back out of that. We're back in the game. So if you take a look at where we're scoring, we're winning more large deals than we've done in a long time. And that's very encouraging.

  • Justin Bergner - Analyst

  • Great. It certainly seems like you are. With respect to service, the multi-vendor service agreements that you noted were signed this quarter, are those part of your order book in the second quarter? And is it possible to give us any idea as to sort of the magnitude of these agreements, like annual dollars for Diebold?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Great question, Justin. So first of all, unless we have already started work, these would not be part in our Q2 numbers. Now if there's a product element to it, that would be part of the orders number because when you look at orders, we have product orders and we have total orders, so product orders would show up. In the total orders number, you would only have the service revenue as it's performed. All of these deals are in their infancy when it comes to the implementation. So there's upside for the service revenue as you look into 2016. If you're trying to get a ballpark, the TCV number is that we're looking at, so total contract value, and these are anywhere between three to five-year deals. If we take a look at the year-to-date number, we're well north of the $150 million marker of deals that we've signed year-to-date and we expect this number to continue to go up before the end of the year.

  • Justin Bergner - Analyst

  • Great. When you say, just to clarify, when you say you're well north of $150 million signed year-to-date, what metric are you referring to?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • That's TCV. So very simple, let's say you do a five year deal with $5 million service revenue per annum, that would be $25 million TCV. And it will show up over the course of the next five years at a clip rate of $5 million, which is also when you do the model, Justin, these things, service deals never create a spike in the model. They are very steady increases because rev rec is per month, per quarter of service performed. You cannot recognize revenue anytime sooner, but the good news is, it really builds a groundswell that will give you long-term uplift on your services numbers for 2016, 2017 and beyond.

  • Justin Bergner - Analyst

  • Okay, great. Two quick questions if I may. Can you remind us how large China is within APAC? And do you expect to maintain a lot of the service business notwithstanding the changes that are occurring in China or is that still to be determined?

  • Andy Mattes - President and CEO

  • Let me start with the service thing. Same answer that I gave earlier on Brazil, service provides a floor to our activity in the country and Chris, you want to size it up.

  • Christopher Chapman - Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President

  • Yeah. If you looked at total size of China, it's roughly 40%, 45% of the total Asia Pacific activity from a top line standpoint that we see today.

  • Justin Bergner - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And then finally the restructuring was upsized a bit in your annual guidance, could you clarify that?

  • Christopher Chapman - Chief Financial Officer, Senior Vice President

  • Yes, it's a couple of items. Number one, we've talked about the situations in China and Brazil. And we're not sitting back admiring the problem. We continue to take cost out and look at our cost actions to get us in the right place in 2016 as well. That's one aspect of it. And then the other piece of that really is we have some high cost restructuring activities that are out there as well. And so that's also driving the spike. If you look at our total call-out items, major change was the restructuring item. Total SEC legal fees has stayed the same at approximately $0.12 to $0.13 that we said in the first quarter and that seems to be on track. So the biggest change was the restructuring.

  • Operator

  • It appears we have no further questions in the queue at this time. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Virostek for any additional closing remarks.

  • Steve Virostek - Vice President of Investor Relations

  • Great. I want to thank everybody for joining us today. The replay webcast will be available later today. We appreciate your interest. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • This does conclude today's conference call. Thank you all for your participation.