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  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the CuriosityStream Q4 Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions) Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. (Operator Instructions)

  • I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Denise Garcia, Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead, ma'am.

  • Denise Garcia

  • Thanks, David. Welcome to CuriosityStream's discussion of its fourth quarter and full year 2020 financial results.

  • Leading the discussion today are Clint Stinchcomb, CuriosityStream's Chief Executive Officer; and Jason Eustace, CuriosityStream's Chief Financial Officer.

  • Following management's prepared remarks, we will be happy to take your questions. But first, I'll review the safe harbor statement.

  • During this call, we may make statements related to our business that are forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are not guarantees of future performance, but rather are subject to a variety of risks, uncertainties and assumptions.

  • Our actual results could differ materially from expectations reflected in any forward-looking statements. Please be aware that any forward-looking statements reflect management's current views only, and the company undertakes no obligation to revise or update these statements nor to make additional forward-looking statements in the future.

  • For a discussion of the material risks and other important factors that could affect our actual results, please refer to our SEC filings available on the SEC website and on our Investor Relations website as well as the risks and other important factors discussed in today's press release.

  • Additional information will also be set forth in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2020, when filed. In addition, reference will be made to non-GAAP financial measures.

  • Now I'll turn the call over to Clint.

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Thank you, Denise. I'd like to thank everyone for joining our fourth quarter and full Year 2020 earnings call. I'm delighted to have with us today, our COO and General Counsel, Tia Cudahy; our CFO, Jason Eustace; and our Chief Product Officer and EVP of Content Strategy, Devin Emery.

  • After my comments, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Jason Eustace, to review the financials. At the close of Jason's review, we will open up the call for questions. CuriosityStream's mission is to provide premium factual entertainment that informs, enchants and inspires. As a pure-play streaming service, we are capitalizing on current and emerging worldwide trends favoring on-demand content. Our security and robust business model with multiple avenues of content monetization and our differentiated content offering provides us with several key competitive advantages. And our focus on factual content, which has longevity and engaging appeal across multiple demographics and geographies is key to our success.

  • Let me talk about our success in 2020. I'm pleased to report that we had a record end to the year and fourth quarter. Our year-end 2020 revenue was more than double our 2019 annual revenue and more than 4x our 2018 annual revenue.

  • Revenue in the fourth quarter grew 70% year-over-year to $11.4 million, driven by continued strength in direct subscription revenue with program sales and sponsorship also contributing to our success in the quarter.

  • Our team produced these results through a pandemic, we're also crossing several milestones during the year. I couldn't be prouder of what we've accomplished. I'll start with the fourth quarter.

  • On a year-over-year basis, paying subscribers grew 50% to approximately 15 million, with continued strength in subscribers on annual plans and international subscribers. We continue to build up our content library and increase our distribution partnerships worldwide.

  • I'll share more details about each of these highlights, starting with growth in subscribers. A couple of factors contributed to these results. First, Q4 is typically our most active time for new subscribers, which, in turn, can produce a high churn rate. But this year, we reduced our already low monthly churn by more than 25% year-over-year.

  • We attribute this churn decrease to improvements in marketing, content and product that we implemented throughout the year and that we continue to implement. Our mix of targeted investments in awareness, marketing tactics and direct response efforts aimed at keeping our customer acquisition cost efficient also contributed to results.

  • We continue to optimize our business to our North Star metrics, revenue and paying subscribers. Compared to 2019, at the end of the fourth quarter 2020, we increased our direct subscriber count by nearly 100% and increased our LTV by 48%, both while decreasing our total overall marketing budget year-over-year.

  • This demonstrates the impact of the efficiency focused and agile marketing strategy we continually employ. We continue to deliver unique, relevant and current perspectives through groundbreaking new content. During the quarter, we premiered original series like ENGINEERING THE FUTURE, narrated by the renowned Patrick Stewart, which explores the new era of green and mega machines, focused on wind, aviation and fusion, in the landmark original franchise BEYOND THE SPOTLIGHT, executive produced by the Leonardo DiCaprio and his team at Appian Way, which reveals how celebrities like Shaquille O'Neal Kristen Bell and Samuel Jackson are channeling their personal passions to help change the world.

  • During the election cycle, we also premiered our special Fighting for Lincoln: The Wide Awakes, which explores the powerful, but long forgotten paramilitary movement that many believe delivered Abraham Lincoln to the presidency and the companion 3-part [Mid Form] Series Electing Lincoln, which reveals the key events in the run-up of the 1860 election that sparked America civil war.

  • We also greenlit our largest and most ambitious slate of original programming yet for 2021, including notable projects like the Rescued Chimpanzees of the Congo with Jane Goodall; the Royals in Color; The History of Wall Street; CEO of Sinaloa, The Year That Rocked the World and many others.

  • We will make more announcements about our new program franchises in the coming weeks and months. We continue to invest in the distinct content that defines us. Nature, history, science, travel and every category in the factual genre.

  • We will see more new originals this year than any time in our history. Our acquisition strategy will continue to expand the library that is already largely unrivaled and goes deeper than others in the topics that our viewers already care about or have yet to discover.

  • Also during the quarter, we entered an international distribution partnership with Tata Sky, one of India's largest content distribution and pay-TV platforms and grew our distributed subscribers via partnerships with Russian operators.

  • Not surprisingly, an increasing number of brands have an interest in the premium factual SVOD space. Especially as it relates to telling factual stories about the marketplace in which they operate.

  • We began recognizing revenue from sponsorship and brand partnerships in the fourth quarter with brand partners from the financial services and health and wellness categories. As an example, 1 was interested in sponsoring content we developed about the perils and promise of blockchain. Blockchain, Bitcoin and crypto is a story they wanted to own, and they trust the CuriosityStream's partnership team to get it right.

  • Another brand we worked with is becoming a global leader in connected fitness. Their business, like many in their space, has experienced a boom in growth as a result of COVID-19. They were interested in creating content that explores the phenomenon in connected fitness. So CuriosityStream created the world interrupted evolution of fitness for this partner and promoted it across several platforms.

  • It also has been very well received by our audience, both behind and in front of the paywall. Moving on to the year. We crossed significant milestones in every area of the business. We grew revenue to a record $40 million. We generated approximately 15 million paying subscribers with notable strength in direct-to-consumer and international. We improve the features and functionality of our product during the year by adding multilanguage support for audio tracks and captions, launching our on-now linear app experience significantly improving search and discovery within our apps and improving our quality of service infrastructure to allow us to better proactively improve customer experience.

  • We significantly strengthened our management team with strong leadership hires in the area of third-party U.S. distribution, international distribution, brand partnerships, audience development and finance.

  • We increased the quantity and quality of our content library and continue to have one of the largest streaming factual content libraries in the world. A few highlights in this area for 2020 included the landmark 90-minute special POMPEII: DISASTER STREET, featuring exclusive access to the first excavation of POMPE in more than 70 years. The Epic 3-Part Series HISTORY OF HOME narrated by renowned woodworker, Parks and Recreations Director of Parks Nick Offerman; the 8-Part Series 4th AND FOREVER: MUCK CITY, compelling Portrait of iconic South Florida community on the banks of Lake Okeechobee has produced some of the NFL's biggest stars.

  • And in October, we became the first publicly traded media company focused on streaming factual content. More recently, in the first quarter of 2021, we completed the follow-on offering, raising approximately $100 million in proceeds, which we intend to invest in programming and marketing.

  • This process also enables us to strengthen our investor base with blue-chip long-term institutional holders. Put another way, we plugged $125 million redemption gap through the secondary initiative and through warrant exercises.

  • I can't emphasize enough the importance of and value of being able to focus on running the business without the additional responsibility of raising money. We are entering 2021 in a position of strength, strong balance sheet and a leading factual content library of streaming.

  • As we have more than 80% of our year-end revenue target committed, over 80%, we're off to a strong start and on track to achieve our year-end revenue goal for 2021.

  • I'd now like to turn the presentation over to the architect and engineer of our fortress balance sheet, our talented CFO, Jason Eustace.

  • Jason Keith Eustace - CFO & Treasurer

  • Thanks, Clint. I'm also excited about our strength entering 2021 and our 2020 accomplishments. Before I review our fourth quarter financials, I'll note that we have included our unaudited financial statements of operations in the fourth -- for the fourth quarter and the full year for 2020 as well as our net loss to EBITDA reconciliation in today's press release.

  • Our audited financials will be included in our 10-K filing, which we'll be filing next week. Now let's review fourth quarter financials. So CuriosityStream's Q4 2020 revenues grew 70% to $11.4 million, up from $6.7 million in Q4 2019. This was led by direct-to-consumer and distribution subscription revenue. We continue to increase all of our revenue lines year-over-year with new contributions from sponsorship and advertising.

  • Cost of revenue was $4.7 million or 41% of revenue compared to 36% of revenue in Q4 of 2019, primarily due to an increase in the content amortization as a result of timing and the number of titles released in Q4 2020 compared to the same quarter the prior year.

  • As a result, the Q4 gross margin was 59% compared to about 64% in Q4 of 2019. Advertising and marketing expenses was $13.3 million, a 14% decrease year-over-year and a sequential increase of approximately $5 million, as we noted last quarter.

  • CuriosityStream's overall operating expenses increased 16% to $22.2 million from $19.1 million in the fourth quarter of 2019. Fourth quarter EBITDA remained relatively flat compared to fourth quarter of 2019 at a loss of $15.5 million compared to an EBITDA loss of $14.8 million last year.

  • CuriosityStream's ending cash and investment balances on December 31, 2020, totaled $42.4 million compared with $60 million at the end of 2019. On October 15, at the closing of our business combination with Software Acquisition Group, we received $49 million. And more recently, in February of this year, we closed an additional public offering of approximately $101 million.

  • We are on track with our plans for 2021 to deliver $71 million in revenue, which is consistent with our disclosure during the business combination. We have good visibility on our revenue and over 80% of our 2021 revenue goal is committed at this point. We expect some lumpy quarters as our new lines of business such as program sales and sponsorships ramp up and create an outsized second half of the year.

  • And now I'll turn it back over to David to open the line for questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Dan Kurnos with The Benchmark Company.

  • Daniel Louis Kurnos - MD & Senior Equity Analyst

  • Great. Maybe just talk about the DTC subs trends, obviously, you finished the year strong. I don't know if you guys got 2 million on DTC on the domestic side. And maybe just help us think about kind of the balance of the year, some of the puts and takes. There's stimulus and a lot of people are talking about that driving sort of an uptake in that slot. Obviously, you guys have the annual pricing. So that will mitigate some of the benefits in the back half of the year. But in terms of upside to targets, and where do you think that goes? And kind of maybe counterbalance that, if you will, on the corporate side, either progress or how you think about how the reopening kind of impacts the way that you consider that bucket?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Thank you, Dan. I'll take it and then yield to Jason. I think the opening trends are a real positive for us, especially as it relates to our third-party businesses. As you mentioned, we had great growth in our direct service over the course of last year. And based on what we've seen so far this year, we don't see that slowing down. But what we do see -- where we do see opportunity is with the world opening up. I mean, I can tell you, I'm personally, I'm my way to South Florida later this week, was a big media community in Miami, and then I'm headed to L.A. next week where more is opening up out there.

  • So I think just that general trend of being able to sit down and community with people and share our story as it relates to our third-party partners. That's only positive for us. And as things open up more internationally, that will be only more positive there. So that's an excellent trend for us, and we're optimistic that only have a positive impact on our direct business as well.

  • Jason Keith Eustace - CFO & Treasurer

  • The only thing I'd add there is that we continue to see the growth that we saw coming out of the third quarter, continuing into fourth quarter and then continuing into the first part of 2021. It's strong continued growth on that direct side of our business. So nothing's really changed. And so even with the overall larger economic profile changing, things opening up, it has not negatively impacted our business.

  • Daniel Louis Kurnos - MD & Senior Equity Analyst

  • Great. Maybe you'll see some tailwinds with some of the stimulus money coming through. And then just on the program sales and advertising, I know it still makes sense. You talked about kind of the back half of year phenomenon. Just maybe some of the conversations you're having, obviously, again, stimulus should play a big role in this. And I know it's -- you guys are kind of developing your sort of the go-to-market and how this is going to play out. But there's clearly a huge demand for content, and there's obviously a big demand for advertising that probably ramps as the year goes on. So just any incremental color you can give on how you see that shaping up over the year would be helpful.

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. On the brand side, I would say that we hired a great leader for our Brand Partnerships business last year, Nate Stamos from -- spent the majority of his career at Time Inc., and I think he's sold a lot of [seed] since he started. And all of those conversations and meetings that he's had, will begin to bear fruit as he kind of executes on a lot of what is Devin Emery's vision for how we maximize Brand Partnerships. So we definitely see that business growing. And then as it relates to program sales, the nice thing about that business is we conduct it 2 ways. One is through some modest library programming sales in parts of the world where it can be promotional for us or it's not going to cause any heartburn to our other businesses.

  • And then we also engage in presales constructs, which gives us a lot of visibility into revenue that is going to hit 6 to 9 to 12 months down the line just because of the nature of production. But the fact that we're in the factual space has enabled us to continue to produce content right through the pandemic.

  • We haven't had any of the issues that are nearly the issues that most descriptive companies have. So we've got some great partners there, meaningful media companies who are excited about the -- working with us over the long term as well.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from the line of Laura Martin with Needham.

  • Laura Anne Martin - Senior Research Analyst

  • Can you hear me okay, guys?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Perfectly, Laura.

  • Laura Anne Martin - Senior Research Analyst

  • Great. So you said that sub growth was driven by international. So I'm curious as to what international revenue was in the percent in Q4? And when you gave us the projection for next year, can you give us a new size, the international component of that? Is that growing? Or is it staying the same in terms of percent of total revenue contribution?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • So international -- so obviously, our direct business grew a lot. The majority of our direct subscribers came from the U.S. The majority of our bundled subscribers came from international. And so what I can tell you on -- what I can tell you on a year-over-year basis is our international -- yes, our international revenue grew by 7 points year-over-year. And that -- I mean, we see that that's a growing trend for sure.

  • And then majority of our direct subscribers today are in the U.S., the slight majority of our bundled subscribers are outside the U.S., but over time, revenue and subscribers to be dominated internationally.

  • Laura Anne Martin - Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay. Cool. And then my recollection is about 30% of your library hours are owned by you, 100%, and then 70% is licensed. So was that the numbers -- were those numbers stable in Q4? And when you look out to Q4 of next year, do you expect any shift to that given your aggressive content creation planning for 2021?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • We like that mix, and we'll continue to do more and better great originals. At the same time, we have a lot of excellent relationships around the world and we see a lot of great content that's available for acquisitions that we can acquire really palatable and efficient rate, sometimes as part of broader deals. So we anticipate that mix to stay about the same.

  • Laura Anne Martin - Senior Research Analyst

  • And also how long are those deals? Are they 5-year deals?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • 3- to 5-year deals, then it comes to acquisition, typically.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Jim Goss with Barrington Research.

  • James Charles Goss - MD

  • You mentioned a couple of the key programming areas you've developed such as POMPE, and I'm wondering how you are planning to use this unique programming to build subscribers is and in which areas do you think they would focus in relative to DTC and bundled and program sales, et cetera?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. The short answer is, as we're in the content monetization business, we look to monetize across multiple platforms of businesses. But I think it's a great question that you asked, Jim, and I'm going to have Devin speak to it a little bit more as it relates to the direct business.

  • Devin James Emery - Chief Product Officer & EVP of Content Strategy

  • Yes. So the tentpole program is a key part of our overall marketing that goes right alongside kind of what is our conceptual marketing, right? So we're out there telling people what CuriosityStream is, and then we're able to use these tentpole programs to drive people in specifically for programs. So you'll see us promote that across all of our channels, and then you'll also see us promote that on -- specifically on platforms where we can drop people directly into some of our tentpoles and then get them to sign up and stay with us.

  • So I would say that the majority of our marketing tends to be focused on what CuriosityStream is, the concept of what we are, the full value that you get in terms of the library of the platforms. And then we're able to use POMPE and our other great tentpoles like HISTORY OF HOME for more targeted and interest-specific marketing that we do.

  • James Charles Goss - MD

  • But I know you are trying to build visibility. And are there ways you can promote this programming to attract the attention, aside from the bundled distribution that you're looking at and, say, the corporate and educational subscriptions that you're using to create some of that visibility? Are there certain areas where you think you can do that especially with this higher profile of content that I think you're drawing attention to. And you also mentioned the blockchain and connected fitness very interesting, unique take on things that occurred, how much those high into all these processes as well?

  • Devin James Emery - Chief Product Officer & EVP of Content Strategy

  • Yes. So that's a good point. And yes, we are doing that. So a good example of that is what we did with HISTORY OF HOME, right? So we had Nick Offerman attached to that. It made for a really great opportunity to use him, use the show to specifically market that show. And he has a lot of love, right? People really like Nick Offerman and they like everything that he's in. So we're able to use that to hit that group of people, right? So you heard his voice on the radio. You saw him and heard him on television as well as social. So yes, when we have shows like that, which we have more and more of, we do create show-specific campaigns that are able to leverage the talent involved and that are able to leverage the strength of the programming. So we're absolutely doing that. We'll continue to do more and more of that. Clint, do you want to take the second part?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Well, I would say we -- I mean, we actually have a feature dock this year that we'll put marketing resources behind it, but [Devin] wants to premier it there, just to give you a sense of the scope and scale of some of the projects that we're working on. So we recognize, we're not a hit-reliant service or hit-reliant business. But obviously, if we can find more and bigger content that resonates cultural site guys. That will only have a positive impact on the business.

  • James Charles Goss - MD

  • Okay. And maybe 1 last one. Maybe this is way off base. But we look at the theatrical exhibitors and studios also. And with the changes in windows, it's creating a focus on blockbusters, which could create some void on the smaller end of the film releases. Do you think there's any of the content you're creating that could play a role in filling some of that void that you could release theatrically, especially since you're creating a very high quality?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • I think the answer is we have the quality to be able to do that. And what it would come down to is the business case there.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Logan Thomas with Stifel.

  • Dylan Logan Thomas - Analyst

  • First question is just relating to the pace of investments and then particularly related just to the -- over the next 12 months, how you're thinking about prioritizing investing across these multiple growth areas and multiple revenue streams, multiple monetization streams that you talk about that'd be helpful just to frame that up for how investors should think about the pace of investments and how aggressive you want to go after these areas?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. It's a great question, and I think that we continue to see great growth with our direct service. And we are supremely confident that if we allocate more marketing and promotional resources to that, we can continue to grow it at a really meaningful level. And so I think that we're always in conversations with the Board about whether or not it makes sense -- whether or not it makes sense to really put our foot on the gas there, kind of beyond the plan that we're operating under right now. So we're focused on hitting our year-end target. And we're obviously supremely confident in that. Would we love to potentially spend a little bit more money on the marketing and promotional side to grow that direct business? The answer is, yes. I mean, also because we think we have some -- we have price elasticity as it relates to that. So it's just -- it's something that we continually look at and continually view.

  • Dylan Logan Thomas - Analyst

  • Okay. That makes sense. And just one other question, if I can. On -- the 80% committed, and I think you spoke, Jason spoke to this a bit, but just to tie it up, as we think about it, the 80% committed coming from the direct annual subscribers, active agreements with distributors committed program sales. Are there any other sort of chunky items in there that investors should be thinking about in order to kind of bridge to that 80% level from the current run rate?

  • Jason Keith Eustace - CFO & Treasurer

  • Yes. I think the 1 thing that you have to kind of take into consideration is that we do have the 2 newer lines of revenue with that program sales and the brand sponsorship side, which is going to kind of create kind of a little bit more of a lumpy quarter-to-quarter cadence.

  • So you're going to have sequential potentially down quarters and some that can have big swings after the 1 after the next as well just because some of those program sales deals can be quite substantial or some of the brand sponsorships can be. And so as those mature, we'll get to a more run rate business. But we'll definitely hit our full year numbers of $71 million. We definitely are 80% committed. Certain lines of business. We do have a greater line of visibility, like the direct -- like you articulated on the direct, the partner direct, the recurring contracts we have on the distribution side. But there still remains the go get on top of that within certain -- of those lines of business as well.

  • Operator

  • Your next question comes from the line of Tom Forte with D.A. Davidson.

  • Thomas Ferris Forte - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • Congrats on the quarter. I had 1 question and 1 follow-up. So the first question is, you talked about the reopening of basically everything. So to what extent if at all, was your production negatively impacted by COVID? And if it was impacted, where do things stand today?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. And the good news, Tom, is that we produce right through COVID and we premiered new programming right through COVID. Now you need to get a little creative in certain cases. And so some of the productions that we were in, the pacing extended a little bit. We did some interviews over Zoom as compared to doing them in person if people weren't comfortable sitting with the camera group.

  • And so I would say that we learned a lot, and we even got a little bit more efficient in certain cases. And so I would say that going forward, it's only getting better. That said, there are a few pockets -- a few places internationally, where it's still a little bit difficult. But Tom, in light of the flexibility that we have around production schedules and in light of the fact that, again, we're in the factual space and not the scripted space. We're confident that everything that we're working on will continue to go according to plan and deliver around the times that we're anticipating will all deliver. Does that answer your question, Tom?

  • Thomas Ferris Forte - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • It does. I knew that you had some advantages as far as you weren't dependent on large numbers of actors and things of that nature that we're working in our favor. I just wasn't sure to what extent you were still disrupted. Okay. So the second question I had was as more subscription video-on-demand or hybrid subscription video-on-demand, advertising video-on-demand services come online. Do you think that's had any impact at all on your viewership?

  • Clint Stinchcomb - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. I feel like we're running our own race. I mean, there's more content to watch every day on all kinds of platforms. I mean you mentioned these AVOD platforms. If you look deep into the AVOD platforms, the companies that own the AVOD and fast platforms, whether that's Fox or Viacom or Samsung or whomever, they're making a lot of money. And certainly, some of the programming partners are doing well there. But there's a lot of content on those services that just it's not getting watched kind of has hashmarks as it relates to the rating. So for us, we really -- there's always going to be more content produced. I mean, that's just kind of -- that's the nature of the business. That's the trend. And so that's why we're focused on maintaining a premium brand position as the leading factual content provider. We feel like we do that, and we continue to run our own race and execute on the plan that we have, everything is going to work out well.

  • Thomas Ferris Forte - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • Great. If I have time, I want to ask 1 more question. So anecdotally have enjoyed a lot of the content on the platform. You talked about the Lincoln material you had. There was excellence. You have great stuff on Big Cats that [night] children enjoy. Is it still the case that your viewership is widely spread out, meaning no one individual title or a handful of titles represents a dominant portion of your viewership?

  • Devin James Emery - Chief Product Officer & EVP of Content Strategy

  • That's correct. Our product overall is very widely accessible, very widely loved. And then what we find is that people use it in different ways, right? So by being very broad, we can capture a large percentage of the market. But what we are focused on, from a content and product perspective as well as people use it and kind of their own individualized way and as different cohorts use it in different ways, we can also adjust our products to be able to make it easiest to do so, right? So easy example of this is curiosity kids, right? So if kids are using our products, we can make it feel and look at interact slightly different with different programming than if their parents are. So even in the same household.

  • So to answer your question, yes, it's still very broad-based, but we can continually do more and more to engage each different demographic sitographic based on the behavior that they're displaying on our platform.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.