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  • Operator

  • Greetings and welcome to Centuri's third quarter 2025 earnings call. (Operator Instructions) It is now my pleasure to introduce you, your host, Nate Tetlow, Century's Vice President of Investors Relations. Please, you may begin.

  • Nate Tetlow - Investor Relations

  • Thank you, Libby, and good morning, everyone. Today we issued and posted to Century Holdings website our third quarter 2025 earnings release and earnings slide deck. Please note that on today's call, we will address certain factors that may impact this year's earnings, and provide some longer-term guidance.

  • Some of the information that will be discussed today contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These statements are as of today's date and based on management's assumptions on what the future holds, but are subject to several risks and uncertainties, including uncertainty surrounding the impacts of future economic conditions and regulatory approvals.

  • A cautionary note, as well as a note regarding non-GAAP measures, is included on slide 2 and slide 15 of the presentation. Today's press release, and our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We encourage you to review these documents. Also provided are reconciliations of our non-GAAP measures to related GAAP measures.

  • These risks and uncertainties may cause actual results to differ materially from statements made today. We caution against placing undue reliance on any forward-looking statements, and we assume no obligation to update any such statement, except as required by law.

  • Today's call is also being webcast live and will be available for replay in the investor relations section of our website shortly after the completion of this call. On today's call, we have Chris Brown, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Greg Eisenstark, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Chris.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thank you, Renee, we're delighted to have you on board, and hello to everybody on the call. We appreciate you joining our third quarter 2025 earnings call. We are proud to have delivered record revenue for the quarter, improved our base profitability, and produced third quarter adjusted net income of $16.7 million, an increase of $11.4 million from the same quarter last year.

  • Whilst the concept of discussing our base business performance is not new to us, it does reflect a new way of discussing our results with the market. With today's earnings release, we've introduced a couple of new non-GAAP measures which are base revenue, base gross profit, and base gross profit margin.

  • Each measure simply excludes the impact of storm restoration services, which is out of our control and creates volatility in our reporting numbers.

  • Storm restoration services are an important part of our service offerings for customers, however, we believe that these new measures will provide our stakeholders with better information, better aligned to evaluate the fundamentals of our business performance and provides for improved period over period comparisons.

  • In the 3rd quarter, we increased our base revenue by 25% and saw a 28% increase in base gross profit.

  • This is remarkable growth and reflects the dedication of our teams across the US and Canada, and their unwavering commitment to safety, productivity, and delivering exceptional services to our customers.

  • As I start with the commercial update, we have continued to make great strides in our business development. Our Q3 bookings of approximately $815 million reflects a book a bill of almost 1.

  • Importantly, nearly 80% of the dollar value of the bookings reflects new revenue opportunities, meaning strategic bids for new NSAs.

  • The work includes the nine-figure natural gas steel pipeline replacement project for an existing Midwest customer driven by the PHMSA gas mega Rule pipeline regulations. Additionally, work scopes exceeding 50 million for data center campus projects across Pennsylvania, and a sizeable contract for a mechanical vapor recompression system serving a renewable natural gas sector.

  • We are seeing continued momentum in the pipeline for bid opportunities, and we are now winning bids at a very constant rate. Total bookings for the year now stand at 3.7 billion, putting us well ahead of the 1.1 times targeted book to bill for the full year 2025.

  • On the MSA front, we booked 170 million in renewals, which included an extension with a long-standing utility partner in the Northeast. We also secured more than 65 million in incremental MSA work, which included new MSA contracts in the Midwest and Southeast for gas and electric distribution work.

  • Our backlog reached a record high of approximately 5.9 billion, up from the 5.3 billion last quarter. We are experiencing significant growth with many of our existing customers, which gives us line of sight to incremental workload under existing MSA contracts. This is what drove the more than 10% increase in backlog from the last quarter.

  • Our overall opportunity pipeline remains very robust, at about $13 billion. We now have over 600 strategic bid opportunities in the pipeline, which collectively represent a little more than half of the $13 billion.

  • The strategic bids also include 1.3 billion related to various data center opportunities.

  • Over the near term we are tracking 1.7 billion of strategic bids, with an award decision expected by the by the end of the first quarter 2026, and about 1.3 billion across MSA renewals and new MSA awards also due by the end of Q1 2026.

  • With the visibility we have in our backlog, the near term booking expectations, and a conservative baseline for incremental awards in 206, we have line of sight to double-digit revenue growth in 2026. More details on the backlog, pipeline, and the growth outlook are on slide 8 within the investor deck we've posted today.

  • Let's turn to efficiency. We've executed a strategic fleet optimization initiative with the goal of generating more cash for the for the business. The initiative has two key components.

  • First, we're targeting an optimal 50/50 funding mix, maintaining half of our fleet on the balance sheet, whilst leveraging leasing structures for the remainder. Second, We're aiming for a 20% plus improvement in fleet efficiency through enhanced supply and pricing, improved utilization rates, and optimized allocation across our business units.

  • Last month we began executing the funding plan by entering into operating lease agreements totalling approximately $50 million.

  • These initial leases are primarily focused on equipment that we had been, that we had had under short-term rental agreements. We will continue to keep the market updated as we make more progress, more significant progress on these initiatives.

  • Recently in September, we completed our separation from Southwest Gas Holdings upon the closing of their sale of the remaining shares in Century.

  • In conjunction with the full separation, we appointed Christopher Crummell as independent chair of the board of directors. Chris brings over 30 years of financial executive experience in energy and construction, and serves well to lead our board.

  • And lastly, we recently announced the addition of Ryan Palazzo as President of US Gas. Ryan has more than 3 decades of experience, deep industry relationships, and leadership capabilities to drive operational excellence, drive further profitability, and strategic growth. We are thrilled to have added Ryan to our team.

  • Now over to Greg to discuss the results.

  • Greg Izenstark - Chief Financial Officer

  • Thank you, Chris, and good morning to everyone joining us today.

  • Third quarter, 2025, consolidated revenues totaled $850 million a new quarterly record, and was an 18% increase from Q3 2024. Consolidated gross profit was $78 million compared to $75.8 million in the prior year period, and gross profit margin of 9.2% in the third quarter of 2025, compared to 10.5% last year.

  • When isolating our base results, the strength and growth of the business is clear, with base revenues up 25% and base gross profit up 28% compared to last year.

  • Base gross profit margin was 9.1% in the third quarter versus 8.9% last year.

  • Net income attributable to common stockholders in the third quarter was $2.1 million or $0.02 per share, compared to a net loss attributable to common stock stockholders of $3.7 million or $0.04 on a per share basis in the same period last year.

  • In the third quarter of 2025, adjusted EBITDA was $75.2 million which compares to $78.8 million in the prior year's quarter.

  • Augusta net income in the third quarter came in at $16.7 million or $0.19 on a per share basis, compared to $5.3 million or $0.06 per share in the prior year's period.

  • The difference between our GAAP and non-GAAP adjusted net income primarily reflects the after-tax impact of amortization of intangible assets, certain non-reoccurring costs, and non-cash stock-based compensation.

  • Notable in Q3 2025 was an $8.2 million or $0.09 per share in charges related to the debt refinancing executed early in the quarter.

  • Now to our segments. US gas revenue was $412.4 million an increase of 13% compared to the prior year. This improvement largely reflects solid growth in MSA volumes and certain bid projects, demonstrating the underlying strength of our customer relationships and market positions.

  • Gross profit margin was 7.7% in the third quarter of 2025, modestly improved over last year's 7.6% in the third quarter. We continue to focus on marginal improvement, and our priority continues to be centered around better contract management and operational execution.

  • Canadian gas revenue was $74.2 million up nearly 40% from the prior year period.

  • Operational performance in this seg segment remains strong against the backdrop of sustained favorable demand, as evidenced by the 21.9% gross profit margin in the quarter.

  • Union Electric revenue was $214.5 million an increase of 25% year over year.

  • Base revenue in this segment was $213 million reflecting a 29% year over year increase. Growth has been fueled by robust activity and projects serving industrial end user segments, particularly substation infrastructure and inside electric work.

  • Gross profit margin in the Union Electric segment was 9.1% in the third quarter of 2025, slightly ahead of the third quarter of last year.

  • Base gross profit margin improved to 9% from 8.1% last year, driven by the strong increase in project work.

  • Non-union electric revenue in the third quarter of 2025 was $149 million an increase of 16% year over year.

  • This segment is most relevant to base business comparisons, as historically a majority of storm restoration services related to this segment.

  • Including last year's very active hurricane season.

  • Base revenue in non-union Electric was also $149 million in the quarter, which is a 58% increase from last year.

  • This growth reflects the significant expansion we've seen in MSA activity, building on the momentum we've discussed in recent quarters. Gross profit margin in the non-union electric segment was 7.1% in the current period, compared to 16.6% in the prior year period, reflecting the just mentioned significant storm work last year.

  • Base gross profit margin was 7.1% compared to 8.7% in the prior year period. The primary driver of margin pressure in the quarter resulted from ramping crews for new and expanding MSAs. Specifically, headcount increased more than 20% this year to support the growth in workload.

  • As crews gain experience and these operations mature, we expect to improve productivity, resulting in marginal improvement. We have already seen margins improve in October, and we expect continued progress throughout the remainder of Q4.

  • Printing capital expenditures, net CapEx was $21.5 million and our free cash flow in the third quarter 2025 was $16.3 million. Our free cash flow generation tends to be seasonal in nature, with more generation occurring in the second half of the year. With the strong growth we delivered this year, our accounts receivable balance has increased. However, this is a timing issue, and we expect this to normalize in the 4th quarter.

  • As such, we expect to generate meaningful free cash flow in the 4th quarter. Moving to the balance sheet, on a trailing twelve-month basis, our net debt to adjust EBITDA ratio is 3.8 times at September 28, 2025. A slight uptake from 3.7 times at June 29, 2025.

  • With the anticipated step up in fourth quarter free cash flow, we expect our year-end leverage ratio to be approximately 3.3 times to 3.4 times. We ended the quarter with $16.1 million in cash equivalent on our balance sheet.

  • Early in Q3, we successfully completed a refinancing of our debt arrangements. We extended our revolver maturity to 2030 and increased the facility size to $450 million. We also extended our $800 million term loan fee maturity to 2032 at a modestly improved interest rate.

  • Finally, turning to our 2025 outlook, we increased our full year revenue guidance to $2.8 billion to $2.9 billion. The increase is consistent with the significant growth in our base business, which more than offset the lack of storm activity this year.

  • For adjusted EBITDA, we expect between $240 million and $250 million. Again, this revision is consistent with lower forecasted storm activity, including a de minimis amount of storm work assumed in the fourth quarter.

  • Lastly, your Net CapEx. We've maintained our planned investment range of $75 million to $90 million. We remain confident in the outlook of our base business and are making the necessary investments in a more capital efficient manner to optimize the growth opportunities ahead of us. I'll now turn it back to Chris to wrap up her prepared remarks. Chris,

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thank you, Greg. As we wrap up today's call, I want to emphasize that Century continues to execute on its strategic vision of building a premier stand-alone utility services company capable of delivering sustainable and profitable growth.

  • Our third quarter results demonstrate solid progress. Base revenue growth was 25%. Base profit, gross profit was 28%, reflecting our team's commercial drive, dedication to operational excellence, and customer service.

  • Our commercial momentum remains robust, with $3.7 billion in bookings through September, a record backlog of $5.9 billion, and a total opportunity pipeline of $13 billion. Put together our commercial success so far in 2025, it positions us well for double-digit revenue growth in 2026.

  • The fundamental drivers supporting our business remain strong, accelerating utility infrastructure investment, the energy transition, and expanding customer relationships across North America. As we advance our comprehensive multi-year strategic planning process, we're positioned in Century to be a differentiated leader in this significant market opportunity. We very much appreciate your time and interest today, and operator, let's begin the Q&A.

  • Operator

  • Hello. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session.

  • (Operator Instructions) Justin Hauke, Robert W. Baird.

  • Justin Hauke - Analyst

  • Great, yeah, thanks for taking my questions, and, I appreciate the new disclosure with the base revenue and gross profit. It certainly helps, and I guess it leads to my first question is just to, maybe understand the, EBITDA impact from the storm because you obviously quantified it for the third quarter and gross profit, but the $15 million decline in guidance. How much of that EBITDA impact is the storm? Is that the full $15 million? And then maybe if you can quantify, the impact of 3Q versus 4Q in the guide, given that there was a decent amount of storm activity last year in 4Q.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Good morning, Justin. So the decline in the kind of the midpoint or the the guidance is all is all related to storm activities. In fact, our forecasted storm activities were a bit higher, and we've actually been able to make up some of that with just our base business growth, and it was, probably 60% 40%, from a percentage perspective. Between Q3 and Q4 on a storm basis, but that was our expectations, I think was your second question.

  • Justin Hauke - Analyst

  • Yeah, no, I just was trying to confirm that it was entirely storm and that that was the $15 million and the split between the quarters, so, yeah, I think that answers it.

  • I guess my second question.

  • I, I've got a couple here, but I guess the second one that I would just ask about would be, you called out some of the ramp in the NSA contract work, that wasn't a full utilization, I guess, in the non-union electric piece, and I was just hoping maybe you could quantify that impact and, would you expect in 4Q that, that's at full utilization, or is that something that's going to linger as a cost until we get into 26 and kind of get the revenue contribution. In line with that. Thank you.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Justin, Chris, let me answer that. If you just look at the process we go through, you've got to deploy capital to find opportunity, deploy capital to bid on opportunity, you've then got to win it, you've then got to reposition resources, you bring in new resources, all of that sort of costs. The business with no revenue contribution, you then mobilize the teams, and it takes a while for that, for them to get productive, so I think when you've had such a massive ramp up, I think the non-union businesses in the core is about 50% year over year.

  • There's always going to be a little bit of a lag before you get to that level of performance you want. I actually think as we look at October and we look into November, that more or less is fully recovered, by the time we close out the year, that particular scope of work will be at the levels we expected it to be from a margin standpoint. But I would caution, we will add progressively bigger scopes of work all around the nation, and we'll have a similar phenomenon, it just, it's just the nature of project related business.

  • Justin Hauke - Analyst

  • Yeah, no, that makes sense. I appreciate that color and thank you very much. I I might jump back in the queue but that's it for now thank you.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thanks, Joseph.

  • Operator

  • Sangita Jain, KeyBanc Capital Market.

  • Sangita Jain - Equity Analyst

  • Great, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. So, obviously a lot of progress on, bookings and the core profits improving. Can you help us understand the difference in margins between, let's say, the data center type opportunities versus PHMSA related work or other bid work?

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • How do I answer that, Sangita, I would say, I'll let Greg talk to the general margin profile in the business across the core and the MSA's in a minute but let me talk more specifically around what we're seeing in the pipeline, first of all, and then to data centers.

  • We, we've been playing a little bit of catch-up as we've discussed on prior calls to get a sufficient amount of both backlog, And coverage to be sure that we're able to grow the business at the core, not rely upon storm. I think it's taken us to maybe the 3rd, getting into the 3rd quarter to have sufficient backlog, sufficient coverage, and a sufficient data set, so we've really got a good handle on our business so that we can be predictable. We've got volume into the business, and we're basically able to recover the overhead that we need to for the size of the business.

  • We're now coming to a point where, As we look to the future and we start to look at new bid opportunities of which, that that that that that that we're looking at 2 billion at the moment, we're looking at where it makes sense to put margins up in the competitive environment. It's more difficult on NSAs that are renewals, because there's already a price, expectation set with the customer, and we're able to do some things. But we are now in a position as we start to look at new market opportunities, bid opportunities including data center work, where we can put our margins up in the core of the business, and that's what we're currently doing, it's been very difficult to do that until we have enough baseload work, until we've got enough volume into the business. We've got a good control on it, but we're now at that point where we've got full coverage for this year, so we know exactly what work we're going to do between now and the year end. We've got high visibility for next year, and you saw it in the coverage slide in the deck. I think it was slide 8, if my memory's good. Our focus now is how do we put margins up and get a return on our invested capital. Simple as that.

  • Nate Tetlow - Investor Relations

  • And to follow on that, you asked about the margins, kind of in our backlog, and, while margins project by project might differ a little bit, I think we're very pleased with the bid margin that we're getting on the awarded work, some of that data center, related activity is a project based, so it's a bit higher than maybe some of the MSAs, but we're very pleased with what we're getting, on award.

  • Sangita Jain - Equity Analyst

  • Great. That was very helpful. So if, go ahead. Sorry, thank you, I was just going to add one thing is even.

  • Even with the sort of mobilization impacts in the in the nonunion business, our core margins have gone up. By 0.2% over the past, and that's despite the fact we've added over $100 million of core business of revenue in the quarter, so the work that we were booking in the first part of this year, which is now going to the revenue line, is already proving to be more profitable, and it's still at its early stages of execution.

  • Right, that was very helpful and then just a quick follow-up in your double-digit revenue outlook for next year that you just alluded to, is there any kind of storm that you're building in that? I know this year it was an average of 3 years, but just wondering what you're thinking about for next year.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Sagitta, I.

  • Nate Tetlow - Investor Relations

  • I stress what we said in our text that in our, in our.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Spoken word.

  • Storm will always be part of our business because customers want us to do storm work for them when they're, when they're in a, when they're in a crisis situation and we've had bad weather come. Our customers want that, our, the population needs that. But it's very difficult to plan.

  • Because we can't predict the weather even though we don't like to be able to do that, so you will only hear us talk about.

  • Based business, based backlog, based coverage, and if storm happens, it would be upside to what you see, it will not be in our planning purposes, and the logic being is one, it makes us more predictable.

  • 2 is if we add more to the base in terms of people, resources and equipment, it means that if there is a storm event, we get more opportunity and upside. So we're just going to talk about the base in terms of growth, budgeting, and guidance, and we will of course, continue to let you know what storm has happened over a trailing period of time, so you can factor that in, but coverage is all going to be around this business that we can control.

  • Sangita Jain - Equity Analyst

  • Great, perfect.

  • Thank you.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thank you, Sakita.

  • Operator

  • Appreciate it. Joe O'Dea, Wells Fargo.

  • Joe O'Dea - Analyst

  • Hi, good morning, can you just elaborate on the strength of the base revenue growth a little bit more in the quarter when you talk about that 25%, how that compared to internal planning, anything that you saw coming into Q3 that you thought might be in Q4, versus just a broader acceleration.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • I I, without giving you my budget sheets, I talk generally, there was no, let me deal with the second question first.

  • There there was no desire to, and no attempt and there's no underlying pull from Q4 into Q3, that's not the case at all, so it's not like we've had a, we, we've pulled Q4 revenue into Q3, that's not the case. The 850 million that came out the third quarter. Is exactly what it is, the revenue for the quarter, so we've not looked highly impressed in the 3rd quarter, we've got really good coverage in the 4th quarter, and that's why we've raised the revenue gag, so we expect the momentum, In the 4th quarter to continue, the only thing about the 4th quarter is we we've clearly got 22 holidays, being Thanksgiving and the year end, and that's really the only factor we've got, in terms of business performance, I think we've done better.

  • Overall in our performance in the biss business that we all expected and that's a good thing, and that's really driven by the success of our teams in finding the opportunity, getting the organization focused on servicing our customers and doing more for our customers, that led to the backlog and has led to the revenue growth, and I think everybody's seen double-digit growth within theirs within their base businesses across all of the four, all of the 4 service lines, and we were pushed to continue that going into next year, but we've performed. Better in the bis business than we than we may have expected, but you also remember, Joe, we, we've only been at this as a team for a few few quarters now. We're only just seeing the benefits of the pipeline, and it's good to be impressed, and good to be pleased and good to exceed your internal targets on the best business, but we're also learning and we want more out of it, and that, and that's what we'd seek to do in the future.

  • Joe O'Dea - Analyst

  • And and then how do you think about the process for prioritizing the bid opportunities in front of you when you talk about the 600 bid opportunities in the pipeline and and how you think about, margin as a prioritization focus versus top-line growth versus where you've identified regions that you want to get bigger in, just how all that comes together for prioritization around the bid opportunities.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Yeah, I'm It's a big question. Our number, I think what the number one priority, I think really rests within the gas business. We've had a fantastic quarter, we've had two fantastic quarters of performance in the gas business, and I think Q4 sits really well.

  • When we look at the backlog, look at the work the team's done, we've added more strength to the team, some new people, but the priority is to sort of eliminate the seasonality in the business, so that we're starting ahead as we come into the first quarter. So, on the gas side, the priority is winning work around the US that allows us to work. 24/7, 365 days a year, and primarily focused on the first quarter, so that would be number one that jumps to mind immediately, because once we, once we're able to fix the seasonality, I think the profitability across the full gas business will completely change for us. Then when it comes to the rest, look, we, general principle on margins, I just repeat, we, We've now got the sales analytics, we've got the organization positioned to profitable growth, we have a very accurate data set now, we track win rates, we track margins.

  • But we need to monitor this a little bit, we, we've got, we believe we don't have a problem finding profitable growth, you've seen that in this year's performance. If you just look at, where we're trending from a full year revenue target, we put the coverage slide into the deck as I've repeated twice now, that demonstrates a further 10+%. Just on what we know today, so I frankly don't believe we're at that phase where we're worried about end market opportunity. So we're going to start to prioritize and get our margins up. We've got to be very selective how we do that because we've got some core customers that we must nurture, continue to support cos they rely upon us, but there'll be new opportunities with new customers where.

  • We can afford to put price it up and we may win a few, we may lose a few, but the win rates are holding good already, as we come through to the end of the 3rd, into the 4th quarter, so we will be sensitive to trying to put our price margin, our price up, and our margins up, as we look to the next phase of our growth, going into 26.

  • Joe O'Dea - Analyst

  • That's helpful color.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Steven Fisher, UBS.

  • Steven Fisher - Analyst

  • But thanks. Good morning. Just wanted to follow-up on a few of these things, particularly starting off with US Gas, and I know you said, that you're pleased with the result. I'm just kind of curious how, the margins and the overall profits from that compared to your expectations. It sounds like it's still. Somewhat of a business where you're putting some focus operationally sounds like some new leadership. Well, where, where's the focus there, just from a sort of an execution perspective, I know you're trying to kind of build it out regionally to reduce the typicality, but just operationally, where is the focus there and how did this quarter compare to your expectations? And then I'll ask my second question. Now is just regard to the with regards to the $3 billion of strategic bids, how are you thinking about the discrete overall project mix, relative to sort of distribution work and MSA just kind of flow work where are you comfortable having, discrete size project as a percentage of the overall, business mix? Thank you.

  • Christian Brown - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Sorry Steve, I'll try and answer the question for you. Let me talk intimately about the gas business. I think 8 months ago, Jeff's performance was consuming. An inordinate amount of my time as well as the leadership's time to sort of complete what was started last year, which was sort of simplification of the organization. The delayering that building ahead of me was much needed. There was a refocusing effort. There was some right sizing needed to be done.

  • There was some accountability and performance management we needed to do, and I think we've really come through that. I think the second quarter performance. Did better than I expected. The 3rd quarter performance was very predictable with the mix of work we've got, and I think we're, I wouldn't say we've taken our foot off the gas, nor have we taken our eyes off the ball here, but the team that leads that business is really operating in a steady state now, and I don't foresee, I don't foresee anything structurally we need to do there. I think we'll. Well at the experience curve about how we should be operating, and I think the margins are good. I really do. I know there's a lot written about the margins should be better, but if you look at, and we've just benchmarked our margins, if you look at the margins in our gas business with the mix of work that we currently execute, we're very pleased with where the margins are.

  • What we're not pleased with is the seasonality, and I, we had a negative 15 million in the first quarter of this year, we've got to fix that as quick as we can.

  • So that remains to be a priority where we're spending our time talking to different customers and new customers, and migration of customers where we know we can work in that first quarter. The second thing I would say to you is, we, we've, I'm proud of the gas business, I'm proud of the gas team, and I think Dylan and his team have done a fantastic job under difficult circumstances, last year going into this year, we've got it at steady state, but we needed more bandwidth. In the business so that we can grow with new customers, so the logic for bringing Ryan in, and I'll talk a bit more about that in a second, bringing Ryan in was to bring more bandwidth to the leadership team so that we can look at things differently. We can look at pricing. We've got slightly different customers but doing the same services and really much and focus the business more strategically about getting margins up.

  • So on the gas side, very pleased where we are, the mix of work and the margins we've got are commensurate with where we are, I don't think there's going to be much that changes there. The real focus is seasonality.

  • New customers that allow us to take the same services at higher margins and that and that's why Ryan has been brought in to support the team here, so that's where the gas business is.

  • On the $3 billion, on the 3 billion, so I, on the last call, and Nate's probably going to tell me I said I, I'm not totally accurate on this, but we had, I think, July 4 week, when I got that sales report, we had about $2.2 billion of opportunities that would be decided in the next six months. That's now the 3 billion we referred to, so this is like for like over a quarter period, so we, And so that has increased well over 40%, 45%, which tells me that the opportunities that are in the pipeline are converted to real bids, because that 3 billion are either tenders we've already submitted, Or the tenders we're working on and we're about to submit, it's not really stuff that we'll bid in the future, it's now it's real and now.

  • Of that mix, most of it.

  • Is actually a creative bit work.

  • It's about $1.7 billion if my memory's good. And one and then 1.3% of it is really MSA renewals, most of which, I think 85% of the $1.3 billion is MSA renewals, and the other 15% are new MSAs or additive MSAs to the base business. Meanwhile, the $1.7 billion is new additive bid work that we're working on.

  • The mix within that, I knew you were going to ask me, is about 60% electrical work and 40% gas related. That's the mix. Greg's at me, but that's that, does that answer your question, Steve?

  • Steven Fisher - Analyst

  • Yeah, that's very helpful. Thanks so much.

  • Operator

  • We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call over to Nate Tatlow. Please continue.

  • Nate Tetlow - Investor Relations

  • Thank you all for joining the call today, and we appreciate your interest in Centuri. That concludes the call.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect your line at this time. Thank you for your participation.