科蒂集團 (COTY) 2022 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Hello. My name is Katie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Coty Third Quarter Fiscal 2022 Question-and-Answer Conference Call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, May 9, 2022.

Please note that earlier this morning, Coty issued a press release and prepared remarks, which can be found on our Investor Relations website. On today's call is Sue Nabi, Chief Executive Officer; and Laurent Mercier, Chief Financial Officer.

I would like to remind you that many of the comments today may contain forward-looking statements. Please refer to Coty's earnings release and the reports filed with the SEC where the company lists factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. In addition, except where noted, the discussion of Coty's financial results and Coty's expectations reflect certain adjustments as specified in the non-GAAP financial measures section of the company's release.

With that, we will now open the line for questions.

Our first question today will come from Andrea Teixeira with JPMorgan.

I just wanted to -- Sue, if you can kind of elaborate a little bit more what is implied in your assumptions for the fourth quarter fiscal. I would guess in light with the commentary that you made on the press release and prepared remarks, and how do you see that evolving? Particularly your Prestige -- on your Prestige side, how you feel comfortable that -- and you exit through the quarter for the Q2, how are you feeling comfortable on that?

And then related to the fourth quarter top line, also in Consumer Beauty, how do you see your stacking in terms of innovation and market share trends as you exit the quarter?

Andrea, this speaking. Thank you for your question. So again, as you rightly mentioned, the Q3 results implied a very strong growth in our Prestige division and a very good growth also on the Consumer Beauty division. It's 25% on Prestige, it's 10% on Consumer Beauty. And for the fourth quarter, we do believe that the momentum we are seeing behind our Prestige brand is going to continue, specifically that we are going to have a much more balanced, I would say, media investment behind the 2 divisions than in Q4, while Q3 was heavily behind Consumer Beauty and Q2 was heavily behind Prestige.

So as you can imagine, the momentum we are seeing for the Prestige business, hopefully going to be kept and hopefully accelerated if possible, specifically if the lockdowns are stopping in China, which is one of the key countries for the Prestige division.

So Andrea, this is the way I see it. The guides that we have given you excludes Russia and assumes, of course, limited, maybe not a total recovery in China. So we may have some upside potentially if China is doing better. And again, the trend for the month that just finished, which is the April 1, is in line with our outlook.

Sorry, I was just about to finish on the second part, which is Consumer Beauty. And again, there, you've seen that specifically in the U.S. and specifically behind CoverGirl, we had this issue in terms of supply behind our best-selling mascara line. And hopefully, we see that this could be getting better in a couple of months. So we'll see if this can help us. But we do believe that we will be back to, I would say, almost normal supply behind CoverGirl around June, July.

And then on the exit of the quarter, right, you had an impact in China in March, and I'm assuming Travel Retail as well. Are you assuming that in the fourth quarter, the lockdowns will -- obviously, they're still going on, in particular, in Shanghai and Beijing getting worse, I would say. What are you expecting? What is -- are you embedding that there is no recovery and then you're embedding all the impact of what you saw in the third quarter?

In some of the other conferences, some of your peers have quoted how much impact they had in China in March. So if you can let us know how much was that and how much your -- the rest of the world performed in the fiscal third quarter ex China.

So again, the way we've built the fourth quarter is having in mind that we will have very, very limited recovery in China, which is, I would say, cautious in terms of where we see things and at the same time, could be also a reality. So this is the way we've been on this.

Again, the good news during the third quarter, if I may say, is that even with these lockdowns in Mainland China, we've seen our Travel Retail in Hainan, including further the constraints, compensating for the losses we had in terms of net revenue because of the lockdowns in the biggest cities of China Mainland.

So we will think that this is going to help us to mitigate, if I may say, this impact on our sales in Mainland China. And again, what we saw during Q3 is that we are slightly positive -- quite positive, in fact, during the Q3, thanks to Hainan sales that made up for the losses of the China ones. That probably is doing the job of compensating the financial.

Our next question comes from Steph Wissink with Jefferies.

We'd like to focus in on gross margins, if we could. If you could talk a little bit about where some of that upside came from, whether it was mix or some of your internal strategies to unlock value.

And then related, as you reinvested into A&CP, any areas that were particularly productive in the quarter that you'll be emphasizing further going forward?

Steph, so on gross margin, indeed and you noticed, I mean, outstanding performance this quarter. So 240 basis points better than last year, and on the year-to-date, roughly 450 basis points higher. So this is really the output of all the work and the initiatives we shared several times and this really combination of, on the one hand, the focus we are putting really on cost reduction. So it's really the focus with supply chain, with procurement. We gave several times the example of E&O, that we are reducing [obsolescence] to better forecast accuracy. And we continue this journey. So definitely, it is a focus on reducing the cost. This is definitely the focus, number one.

And at the same time, definitely what we are amplifying is what I'm coming with a value part of the gross margin. So this is really #1, the mix and what I shared several times and I explained again that all the strategic initiatives, were gross margin accretive. So it's really e-commerce. It's really all China Prestige makeup, the premiumization of the portfolio and staying also within consumability.

You remember, we shared several times that the new initiatives we are doing in Consumer Beauty but in some cases, gross margin, which is even equivalent to Prestige. So it means that this mix, all that we are doing is continuing. So it will continue really to fuel the gross margin.

Second, I mean, of course, on top of this, we are doing pricing definitely to mitigate cost inflation but also because now we are getting pricing power, really, again thanks to the premiumization, we are really pushing this pricing. And of course, it's accretive for the gross margin. And all this in the context of revenue management where we have very, very tight control on our trade terms.

So you see all the ingredients, with cost and value, we need to keep fueling and to keep building the gross margin. So definitely -- so this is definitely thanks to all the gross margin and this is the confirmation in Q3 that we can invest in (inaudible). And Sue can give you some concrete examples.

Absolutely. Thank you Laurent. So A&CP, clearly, we are going to continue to invest during the quarter Q4. As you've seen, it's been very, very productive for Q2 and Q3. So we continue with the same story. And again, it's always the same story of the flywheel. Net revenue growing, gross margin better. This allow us to, at the same time, deleverage the company and reinvest behind the brand while continuing our cost savings programs.

In terms of particularly productive items we have seen and we are going to accelerate -- the Rimmel brand is going to have some acceleration behind (inaudible) that's doing some fantastically well. We've seen the results. This is representing high single digits of the net revenues of most of the countries, sometimes much more than this. We are going to continue to invest behind this brand because we are seeing the strong momentum everywhere we put money behind it.

And CoverGirl Exhibitionist is doing fantastically well and the signature of Kelsea Ballerini as the Gen Z face for the brand is, by definition, going to help us again to regain the momentum during the Q4.

And our leading fragrances, as you can imagine, Gucci Flora Gorgeous Gardenia, fantastic success; Burberry Hero, fantastic success; Hugo Boss The Scent, the same thing. And last but not least behind Prestige makeup, you've seen the momentum we are having behind Gucci makeup and this is something that we intend to accelerate.

(Operator Instructions) Our next question will come from Robert Ottenstein with Evercore.

Great. I was wondering if you could drill down a little bit more into the U.S. makeup market, how that's developing into April. Obviously, there's increased mobility, but any new trends?

And then taking it further into CoverGirl specifically, and I know there's lots of give and takes there -- puts and takes on CoverGirl with supply issues, et cetera, but maybe kind of tell us the signs that you were seeing that give you the most confidence that, that brand is on a positive path.

Robert, thank you so much for your question. So again, what we are seeing in the U.S. market is clearly after 2 years, if I may say, of mainly high category being the key category during the pandemic, we are seeing categories such as sales on one side and leaps on the other side, back to visibility, if I say, on people and, therefore, on the figures.

It started already some quarters in the past, specifically the new one. So clearly, we are, I would say, back to what I would call normality. And therefore, CoverGirl, it's very good news because, again, the brand has been very strongly investing behind high makeup. And again, you've seen the momentum we had last year behind Lash Blast Clean and the overall, the Lash Blast franchise. We have Simply Ageless that we have reactivated last spring, that's continuing to gain share quarter after quarter. And we'll have new news arising behind this time very, very soon. And we have also, now we are activating, I would say, the second level of the CoverGirl rebuild.

Remember when I told you the story of CoverGirl 1.5 years ago, it was about bringing back the brand to its heritage and its first equity which was around clean makeup and clean beauty in general. This, I would say, is continuing, of course, and we are launching a lot of new things behind skin beauty.

But number 2 of CoverGirl rebuild is what we call cool or easy brand beauty. And there, we are very confident that with these new cases we are adding recently, especially Kelsea Ballerini behind Exhibitionist and mascara, but also Exhibitionist with color, we do have the second leg or second muscle to really boost CoverGirl and the category overall because I do believe that the 2 growth drivers of the makeup category in America are on one side, clean, healthy, beauty and cool, trending beauty. And these are the 2 areas that we are pushing behind CoverGirl.

I can give you just a hint of something we just saw recently. We just launched, which probably could be in the 2 categories, a new lip balm, Clean Fresh lip balm behind CoverGirl. It became very quickly the #1 lip balm, I think, in the U.S., thanks to being clean on one side and probably a category that Gen Zs are looking for today as a good compromise between color and care. So this kind of product gives you an idea to the areas where the brand is going to invest, continuing the clean story while pushing strongly on the cool (inaudible).

We just made the announcement that we have a new face. That's not a new face, that's a face that was part of CoverGirl years ago, Queen Latifah, she was one of the most iconic CoverGirl faces for years, the same way Niki Taylor was, and she's back on CoverGirl and this is clearly going to help us to continue to activate the different tribes of targets that CoverGirl is made of today.

Our next question will come from Nik Modi with RBC Capital.

Two questions. Just one big picture on how do you see some of the changes in the consumer behavior just with inflation, with mobility. I'm just curious on your kind of global landscape. Is Europe getting impacted by the amount of inflation? Because that is certainly worse than it was here in the U.S. So that was just the first question.

And then just more specifically, any clarity on the Tim launch, a number of products you can assume at the launch, timing, initial geographies? Any perspective would be helpful.

Yes. Thank you for your question, Nik. So again, on the first part, which is around the consumer behaviors, we do see today that the -- there is quite some resilience and consumers continuing to spend when it comes to Prestige category, specifically on the fragrance category. Again, the momentum we've seen in the U.S. since now several quarters is continuing through Q3. This is quite clear. The momentum is starting to happen also during the quarter. During Q2, it happened also in Europe.

And this is very new. And again, remember, Europe was far under 2019 levels. Now it's above 2019 levels. So this is, I would say -- I mean this is the biggest category, as you know, fragrance -- Prestige fragrance is the biggest category of all fragrance business, of all Prestige business in Europe and in China, of course, this was one of the fastest-growing category until the end of Feb. Let's see what's going to happen once the lockdowns will be lifted.

So clearly, we do see good resilience of consumers who are shopping at the highest end. And we see these consumers are going to continue to stand behind these categories. Again, I think it's important to keep in mind that for a lot of consumers, despite what is happening today in terms of inflation, et cetera, of cost of goods and therefore as a second step of anything that's sold on the market, this is the first summer post lockdowns since 2.5 years almost today.

It's the first summer where there is no restrictions except in China. And therefore, I do believe that consumers are going to be on a very positive mood. They are going to come back to life. We've seen a lot of articles published about the fact that people are back in festivals, travel, et cetera, et cetera. So there is a hunger for life that probably is going to continue to be a hunger for elevating the beauty consumption.

If there are some categories that may slow down and if there are some consumers that may be pressurized because it is -- because of this inflation of the prices, the good news that is that we do have a division that's strongest than ever, which is our Consumer Beauty division. Our brands are cooler than ever. They are doing the right themes. They are launching the right products that are much more profitable than versus the past. Some of them have profitability levels equivalent to those from Prestige.

So I would say that whatever is going to happen, we will be able, in a way, to adapt with our both divisions. So any clarity on the key launch? Again, as we said it several times, this is going to happen during Q4, and you'll see fantastic things and very exciting things coming during this launch.

Our next question comes from Wendy Nicholson with Citi.

My first question just has to do with the target of the $900 million in adjusted EBITDA. I know you talked that down just a little bit on the prepared comments. I think you made the point that, that was primarily a function of exiting Russia. But can you talk about any other moving pieces in terms of the revision to that target? And I know it's early, obviously, to talk about fiscal '23, but just in terms of your confidence of continuing gross margin progression, EBITDA margin progression given the headwinds that everyone is facing.

Wendy, so first of all, I mean we made very clear that Russia, indeed, in fact has very limited impact in Q4 from net revenue and EBITDA standpoint. So that's why we are confirming the $900 million adjusted EBITDA on full year. And basically, we -- there are some headwinds and we can implement them and definitely, we see amplification of inflation, but again we are very clear that inflation is not something new and something that started more than a year ago. We have a pricing office which has been working constantly on, again, price increase implementation. And we have low single digits this year, but we continue this price increase and again, combined with all the ingredients I shared before on mix and so on.

So this really gives us a view definitely that we keep investing in Q4, what was exactly explained both on Prestige, Consumer Beauty. So continuous amplification and expansion of the gross margin, basically filling in A&CP and delivering this -- our EBITDA. So this is definitely what we are confirming.

Now, I mean, moving forward, definitely on the Russia impact has more an impact on H1 next year. But from an ongoing standpoint, it means that from a baseline excluding Russia, the algorithm doesn't change, okay, either in terms of top line or EBITDA.

And when we -- just to add on Laurent's comments, we are reinvesting to very much renew momentum. Again, what's happening in terms of momentum behind our branches and theme, and it's super, super important that we continue to fight like crazy to reinvest behind our brands. So this gives us, I would say, the ability to continue being behind the brand in terms of A&CP.

Fantastic. And then if I can, I just had a second question with regard to China. Given some of the comments from some of the other beauty players in the group, obviously, the lockdowns are having huge pressures on the China marketplace. But can you just take a step back and comment on your take on the China beauty market generally? Is the pressure we're seeing really just a function of the lockdowns and supply chain challenges? Do you think there's anything changing underlying with the Chinese consumer in terms of their preference for Western brands versus local brands? Anything that makes you nervous about the long-term growth potential for the China market.

Thank you, Wendy. And again, this, I think, is clearly a question that we are focusing on, on a daily basis, how is this market reacting to anything we do there? And I can tell you that despite the lockdowns, you've seen that Coty has continued to have outstanding figures over there. Our business is very, very quickly evolving. Super-premiumizing, if I may say.

We were a fragrance company just 1.5 years ago. Today, brands like Gucci or Burberry do have half of their businesses made between fragrances and Prestige makeup, which is really a new growth engine, both in China, but also in APAC, Travel Retail and overall travel retail. We are having more than 10% of these brands, fragrance sales coming from ultra-premium fragrances, and this is totally changing not only our, I would say, P&L equation, getting much more profitable over there, but also it's a very strong confirmation that Chinese consumers are all about an obsession of premiumization, shopping highly desirable brands and the most expensive items from these highly desired brands.

So for me, I don't see any change in the -- in terms of confidence for this market to become probably the biggest Prestige or luxury market in the world in the coming years. And I'm, I would say, more confident than ever that when you look at the portfolio of brands we do have. And that's probably what explains the fact that we've been still until Q3, the fastest-growing DC company in China among the top 10 beauty companies that are there with a sellout that's been 14% during the last quarter which is far above the flattening, I would say, market.

All these elements not only give me confidence in Coty's ability to continue to grow in this market, but I would say in the fact that Chinese are going to continue to be the most fashion management most expert and the most obsessed with trading up their sales in terms of beauty in this market.

Our next question will come from Steve Powers with Deutsche Bank.

So maybe to pick up on that discussion with Wendy and previously with Nik, it seems like the story this morning is really one of continuity as you look forward. The strategy seems pretty much unchanged. The algorithm adjusted for the Russia exit seems essentially unchanged. I guess I just want to just play that back a little bit and think about it in terms of the 6 priorities that you unveiled essentially a year ago and the way you described those priorities back in November.

To the extent that the consumer does get weaker in the U.S. and in Europe and we see continued volatility in the emerging markets, does the way you employ those 6 strategic priorities change at all to get to that algorithm? Or is it -- is the strategy meant to be sort of economic cycle-independent?

Thank you, Steve, for the question. And again, I think the -- what's nice, and I would say the beauty of the 6-pillar strategy is that it's a balanced strategy. And it's a strategy that, in a way, is not betting on one division more than the other, not betting on one region of the world more than the other or betting on any specific kind of pricing or price categories. It's really a strategy that is the lowest whatever is going to happen to have means to take the, I would say, the tailwinds that may blow here and there or to mitigate the -- anything that could prevent us from executing the strategy.

So I would say that, in fact, consumability stabilization, now we are talking about growth in Consumer Beauty, we've seen that we have now 5 months of market share growth globally for Consumer Beauty. Same thing for color cosmetics, consumer color cosmetics worldwide. And this is clearly a very good, I would say, element in case some consumers that would be on the mass (inaudible) side of the businesses in Prestige would maybe, would love to come back to these kind of brands. And therefore, we do have not only the clean beauty, but the clean beauty that these consumers might be looking for.

When it comes to Prestige, clearly, the fragrance momentum we have seen, we do believe is going to continue. And even if there is some, I would say, lockdowns in China that are presenting this market from growing in the coming, I would say, month or 2, you can see that Europe and Travel Retail are back today, very strong growth and that people are shopping fragrances globally today more than ever before. All levels are above 2020 -- 2019.

Three, our size in Prestige makeup is quite small, so whatever is the slowdown or the acceleration in this category, we do believe that just by adding new SKUs and opening new doors, we have ability to continue to grow.

And last but not least, on skincare, clearly, on skincare, the #1 primary focus of the company is to build Prestige skincare brands. These are going to be few players. And as you can imagine, it's much easier to hit high target with few players in skincare. And for example, when we made the comment about CoverGirl, which is a makeup brand, launching skincare in the middle of makeup, et cetera. So this is going to take time. We are fine tuning each and everything like we have always done since 1.5 years today. Test, learn, implement correct, et cetera. But on the Prestige side, we have big ambitions that our pure players in skincare brands are going to help us to accelerate the agenda.

So overall, I don't see anything that would change the algorithm that we have shared with you in November. And again, this aggravating beauty is made of a kind of balance between divisions, categories, price tiers, which will hopefully allow us to mitigate any headwinds we will have.

Our next question will come from Olivia Tong with Raymond James.

I was wondering if you could first quantify how much of an impact the supply chain issues had on Consumer Beauty and whether the constraint in supply makes you potentially reconsider how much inventory you should be holding because unlike others, your inventory balance hasn't increased versus recent quarters. But my real question is more around the environment. And you're hearing a lot of different views on how the environment is evolving and the consumer may or may not be responding to inflation and other market dynamics. So I'm curious how you think about your ability to continue to drive growth in Prestige versus Consumer Beauty and your ability to continue to drive price mix.

Olivia, I will take the first part. So basically, and you're seeing in the whole industry that we are facing some global supply constraints. But we see investing in supply chain procurement and navigate quite well in this environment, as we said, and service level in '19, which among the best performance. So indeed, as we strive (inaudible) issues. But basically, we are implementing all the actions and actions are really put in place that we are solving and improve this service level.

We remain very agile. We keep doing what we explained several times, we have this dual sourcing approach so that we can absorb some potential issues. We have weekly reviews between commercial and supply chain. We need to adapt in a way in how we allocate the products. So definitely, we keep this focus and keeping a good monitoring and controlling of all supply chains.

Inventory, yes, you're absolutely right. And this is what we are doing. And so always, on the one hand managing the cash, but at the same time, being super pragmatic and agile that where we need indeed to build some inventory and some resources, we do. So definitely, this is what we are managing, but always in the frame that it doesn't change our cash trajectory. And that's why we are constantly moving towards this 4x leverage end of calendar year '22.

And Olivia to compliment Laurent's answer on the second part. But before moving to the second part, which is around the trends that we are seeing, et cetera, please keep in mind that on CoverGirl, which is I know a brand that everyone is looking at, the supply chain issues we had, had nothing to do with what's happening in terms of shortage we are seeing for components. In fact, this was linked with some decisions that were not made prior to the pandemic. So decisions that should have been done somewhere around 2019 but we have not done but delayed the availability of some key things that were part of the mascara of CoverGirl. So it's something that we are mastering. It's not something that we are hoping to get in to improve. So that's point number one, and this finishes the inventory and supply part that Laurent was commenting.

When it comes to the second part, how do we see in terms of consumer? I do believe that consumers who are shopping Prestige products, specifically knowing that we have done the job of doing price increases on to that are very granular, very specific to each and every brand on key items where we felt there was room, I think the difference between the former price and the new pricing is not going to be big enough for someone who is spending over $30 to $40. So I do believe that the impact, at least for Coty Prestige, because of the way we have done things, because of the granularity and because of the desirability and therefore ability to price up for Prestige, we won't see any kind of impact.

When it comes to Consumer Beauty, if you take the example of CoverGirl there again that everyone knows in the U.S., CoverGirl has one of the best-selling foundation under $8 and it has some of the best-selling new foundations between $15 and $20. So there, we have the ability to directly sell to like this consumer either for a foundation that's under $8 or for something that's between $15 to $20, which is still very, very affordable compared to, I would say, other categories coming from Prestige.

So that's what we at least focus in, confidence that whatever are going to be the behaviors depending on the different tiers of consumers, we will be able to adapt and therefore to invest where people are going to shop.

Our next question will come from Chris Carey with Wells Fargo.

So I just wanted to have a follow-up on a couple of items that have been discussed this morning. So first, just on Consumer Beauty. I appreciate there was investing in the quarter and you're anticipating a more balanced Q4 between the 2 divisions from a profit standpoint. But can you unpack perhaps some of the drivers of the margin in the quarter between the spending, supply chain, inflation, anything else that might be able to give us a bit of context on the underlying here?

And then just secondly, as it pertains to China, clearly, there is a strategy in place to take this market to a certain size by fiscal '25. That's a long time out. Is there anything going on in the market right now going to delay the -- you achieving those targets? Or would you view the business as on track with the initiatives that you laid out?

Chris, so I would take the first part. So what I can tell you is that drivers of the margin of Consumer Beauty, it's the same as a global Coty equation.

I will start first with gross margin. What I'm explaining on the gross margin expansion journey that we are implementing in Coty, we see absolutely valid for Consumer Beauty. So if you see, we are working on improving the mix, and we gave a lot of examples again, all the new innovation that we are launching in Consumer Beauty. I think the example of (inaudible) all these initiatives are very accretive in the equation. So this is definitely giving us some levers or headroom in terms of gross margin expansion. So this is, of course, on pricing. We also, with the pricing team, working at a very granular level or specifically how to drive pricing in Consumer Beauty.

And third element, revenue management, tight control on trade terms, promotion and all this in the context of value creation. So this is again describing the (inaudible) cycle we are building is absolutely for consumability. And this is what we continue, increasing the gross margin, keeping discipline on supply chain and fixed cost and fueling intensity. So what we have explained in the significant investment in Prestige because we have great initiatives and this is really going to kick off the machine. And of course, in Q4 we will be more balanced.

And on the second part which is around China, which is there anything that's going to jeopardize our fiscal '25 target? Again, what we are trying to do in China is to do what we have done 1.5 years ago when we were in the middle of the pandemic and we were trying to fix everything that was needed to be fixed, if I may say, waiting for the rebound post pandemic. We're doing more or less the same thing in China, which is to make sure we are continuing to up the ante in terms of expertise, in terms of capabilities, in terms of the brands that we are intending to [sell].

At the moment, I don't see anything from a Coty, I would say, point of view and Coty ability to implement the things we are working behind that will jeopardize our algorithm and fiscal '25 target.

Our last question comes from Mark Astrachan with Stifel.

I guess I wanted to start with fragrances in China, thinking about it in more longer term. Could you remind us what the category share is today as a percent of total beauty spend? How does that compare to some other markets? It would seem, I think you talked before about, being lower at this point, but obviously growing faster.

And then maybe more importantly, how do you think about competition stepping up given that they presumably I think have directionally talked about seeing kind of similar trends in development of the fragrances category. And how do you think about your relative positioning in anticipation of them kind of going at you a bit more there?

So let me try to answer the different pieces of the question. So first, China. China today in the country, you have only 2% of people using fragrances on a daily basis. So as you can imagine, moving just this 2% to 10% on the number of people who are able to buy and use fragrances would be huge, I would say, a huge jump in terms of fragrance consumption, specifically with the Gen Zs who are going to drive this, I would say, new.

So the fragrance category in a country like China is around 15%, 20%, if I'm not wrong, which is far under the 70% of us -- yes, 70% of skincare, and the remainder is Prestige makeup. So clearly, the lion's share is skincare and then makeup and then fragrance. But fragrance is the fastest-growing category in China. And again, 2% only use fragrances on a daily basis. So this to be compared to Europe where fragrances is the biggest category and the U.S. where fragrances is, I think, the smallest category of the country. So this gives us, I would say, an upside potential that's probably very, very, very strong.

What else is -- how is competition stepping up in China? Honestly, we are not seeing anything in the competition today that's telling us there are things that we are missing in Coty's portfolio, if I may say. And again, you know how we like to think. We love to think in terms of what are the trends, what are the crits people are shopping, what are the categories people are looking for? Clearly, we do see that with our Gucci, Burberry, Chloé, Hugo Boss, (inaudible), fragrance brand or Tiffany and another one, we do have brands that have the ability to respond for the mainstream consumption.

Now again, I said that 10% of the sales of this brand is already made by ultra-premium fragrances, so we are present in this category while just 1.5 years ago, this was almost nothing in our turnover. So we are clearly seeing that we do have the right plans, the right price tier to clearly answer this surge in consumption that we are seeing behind Gen Zs on the Chinese market.

So at the end of the day, if competition is investing, that's fine, because at the end of the day we need to be altogether investing on this very, very promising market to grow the market and this will benefit all of us. So that's what I would say.

So this was my conclusion. Thank you very much for your questions and thank you very much for this. I'm going to say thank you to the whole team at Coty for this seventh quarter of very, very good results. And we hope to continue to do the same thing in the near future. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's event. You may now disconnect.