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  • Operator

  • Good morning, and welcome to the Compass Diversified Holdings 2018 Second Quarter Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. (Operator Instructions)

  • At this time, I would now like to turn the conference over to Leon Berman of The IGB Group for introductions and the reading of the safe harbor statement. Please go ahead, sir.

  • Leon Berman - President

  • Thank you, and welcome to Compass Diversified Holdings Second Quarter 2018 Conference Call. Representing the company today are Elias Sabo, CODI's CEO and Founding Partner of Compass Group Management; and Ryan Faulkingham, CFO. Also joining us today are David Swanson and Pat Maciariello, partners of Compass Group Management, who will review our subsidiaries' performance.

  • Before we begin, I would like to point out that the Q2 press release, including the financial tables and non-GAAP financial measure reconciliations, are available on the company's website at www.compassdiversifiedholdings.com. The company also filed its Form 10-Q with the SEC last night, which includes reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures discussed on this call. Please note that reference to EBITDA and the following discussions referred to adjusted EBITDA as reconciled to net income in the company's financial filings. The company does not provide a reconciliation of the ratio of its estimated cash flow available for distribution and reinvestment to its distribution. This is because certain significant information is not available without unreasonable efforts, including, but not limited to, our company's future earnings, current taxes, capital expenditures and the distribution to be paid and approved quarterly by Board of Directors.

  • Throughout this call, we will refer to Compass Diversified Holdings as CODI or the company.

  • Now allow me to read the following safe harbor statement. During this conference call, we may make certain forward-looking statements, including statements with regard to the future performance of CODI. Words such as believes, expects, projects and future or similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to the inherent uncertainties in predicting future results and conditions. Certain factors could cause actual results to differ on a material basis from those projected in these forward-looking statements, and some of these factors are enumerated in the risk factor discussion in the Form 10-K as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for the year ended December 31, 2017, as well as in other SEC filings. In particular, the domestic and global economic environment has a significant impact on our subsidiary companies. Except as required by law, CODI undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

  • At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Elias Sabo.

  • Elias Joseph Sabo - Partner, CEO & Director

  • Good morning. Thank you all for your time, and welcome to our second quarter earnings conference call. I will begin by reviewing the highlights of the second quarter. We continued to build on our acquisition successes in the first quarter by announcing 2 accretive add-on acquisitions for Clean Earth during the second quarter. The addition of ESMI Companies, a leading provider of remediation services across New Hampshire and New York, and MKC Enterprises, a full service provider of boutique hazardous waste-management services, will allow Clean Earth to grow its geographic presence further into New England and the Southeast U.S. while expanding the company's extensive service offerings.

  • As mentioned previously, during the second quarter, we closed on a $1.5 billion debt financing, extending the maturity of our credit facility and term loans while adding a new unsecured bond to our capital structure. These financings strengthened our liquidity position and capital structure, providing CODI added liquidity to pursue acquisitions that build long-term shareholder value and support our ability to provide stable cash distributions. Ryan will provide a brief review of the financings later in the call.

  • Now turning to our quarterly performance. Throughout the presentation, when we refer to pro forma adjusted results, revenue and EBITDA for Crosman, Foam Fabricators and Rimports will be as if the businesses were acquired on January 1, 2017.

  • Our second quarter results exceeded our expectations as our leading industrial and branded consumer businesses generated strong performance. Of note, we grew revenues at 9 of our subsidiaries, with 4 of our subsidiaries generating double-digit revenue growth for the quarter. We believe this quarter's performance highlights the benefits of CODI's business model. Despite our branded consumer businesses performing below expectation, consolidated pro forma adjusted EBITDA grew 5.4%, and cash flow available for distribution and reinvestment grew 19% from the second quarter of 2017. We believe the ownership of 10 uncorrelated subsidiaries reduces variability in our operating results and allows us to provide stable cash distributions to our shareholders.

  • On a pro forma adjusted basis, we produced consolidated year-over-year quarterly revenue and EBITDA growth of 11.9% and 5.4%, respectively. Our niche industrial businesses generated strong pro forma combined second quarter results, performing well above expectations. Revenues grew at 14.1% from the second quarter of 2017, while EBITDA increased 17.5% from the prior year period. Dave will provide further details in his comments.

  • Our branded consumer businesses achieved pro forma combined second quarter results that were below our expectations. Revenue increased 9%., however, EBITDA decreased 11.8%. Given the reduced performance in the first half, we now expect our branded consumer businesses to produce lower EBITDA on an annualized basis in 2018 as compared to 2017. Pat will provide further details in his comments.

  • For the 3 months ended June 30, 2018, CODI generated cash flow available for distribution and reinvestment, which we refer to as cash flow, or CAD, of $30.3 million. Ryan will provide further details in his comments.

  • For the second quarter, we paid a cash distribution of $0.36 per common share, representing a current yield of 8.2%. This brings cumulative distributions paid since CODI's 2006 IPO to $16.80 per share. We are pleased to have meaningfully exceeded our distribution in the second quarter and expect to continue to do so for the remainder of the year.

  • We also paid a cash distribution on July 30 of approximately $0.45 per share on our 7.25% Series A preferred shares. Additionally, we paid a cash distribution of $0.74 per share on our 7.875% Series B preferred shares. The distribution on the Series B preferred shares covers the period from and including March 13, 2018, the original issue date of the Series B preferred shares, up to but excluding July 30, 2018.

  • I will now turn the call to Dave to review our niche industrial subsidiaries' year-to-date performance.

  • David P. Swanson - Partner & Manager, East Coast Office of The Compass Group

  • Thanks, Elias. On a pro forma adjusted basis, year-to-date revenues for our niche industrial businesses increased by 11.8%, while EBITDA increased by 11.7% compared to the same period in 2017.

  • Starting with Advanced Circuits, year-to-date revenue and EBITDA both increased 2.4% compared to the same period in 2017, in line with expectations.

  • Arnold Magnetics' year-to-date revenue increased 14.5%, and EBITDA increased 30.9% compared to the same period in 2017, exceeding our expectations. As many of you are aware, in 2016, a new management team joint Arnold. Under Dan Miller's leadership, the business has made significant operational enhancements and is well positioned to experience future growth in the aerospace and defense end markets. We believe Arnold will continue to experience solid growth over the balance of 2018.

  • Clean Earth's year-to-date revenue increased 31.5%, and EBITDA increased 51.2% compared to the same period in 2017, exceeding our expectations. Clean Earth's strong growth is due to solid organic growth and the benefit from recent add-on acquisitions.

  • Sterno Products' year-to-date revenue increased 5.3%, while EBITDA decreased 0.7% compared to the same period in 2017, in line with our expectations. During the first half of 2018, Sterno incurred integration costs associated with the Rimports acquisition, which reduced our EBITDA. Sterno's margins have compressed modestly thus far in 2018 due to elevated chemical input costs relative to 2017. For the balance of 2018, we expect margin headwinds to moderate.

  • Lastly, Foam Fabricators' year-to-date revenue increased 2.5%, while EBITDA decreased 0.2% compared to the same period in 2017, in line with our expectations.

  • I will now turn over the call to Pat to review our branded consumer subsidiaries' year-to-date performance.

  • Patrick A. Maciariello - Partner & Manager, West Coast Office of The Compass Group

  • Thanks, Dave. On a pro forma basis, year-to-date revenues for our branded consumer businesses increased 6.1%, while EBITDA decreased 17.7% compared to the same period in 2017.

  • Beginning with Liberty Safe. Year-to-date revenue decreased 7.8%, and EBITDA decreased 9.8% compared to the same period in 2017, in line with expectations.

  • Ergobaby's year-to-date revenue decreased 7.6%, and EBITDA decreased 30.8% compared to the same period in 2017, which was below our expectations. 2018 represents a challenging year for Ergobaby. Though globally, end market demand for Ergobaby's products remains relatively strong, we have experienced significant marketplace disruptions that have caused our financial performance to suffer in 2018.

  • First, we have experienced major headwinds due to a large international distributor significant -- significantly reducing inventory levels. It is our understanding that Ergo's market share and sell-throughs in this geography are solid but that due to distributor-specific reasons, our partner has decided to materially reduce their inventory levels for 2018. In addition, the domestic market remains challenged due to a large customer bankruptcy at the end of 2017 and its subsequent store closures and inventory liquidation in the first half of 2018.

  • Based on Ergobaby's lower-than-expected first half performance, we are now expecting 2018 full year EBITDA to be down as compared to 2017. Despite the near-term weakness in Ergobaby's results, we continue to be pleased with our investment in this company and believe that 2019 will deliver improved financial performance as these transitory disruptions dissipate.

  • Manitoba Harvest's year-to-date revenue increased 25.1%, and EBITDA increased 7.8% compared to the same period in 2017, outperforming our expectations. As we have previously mentioned, our senior leadership team at Manitoba Harvest was enhanced in conjunction with building a domestic office in Minneapolis. Bill Chiasson, with whom we worked previously during his tenure of interim CEO of our Ergobaby subsidiary, assumed the role of CEO of Manitoba Harvest in 2016. Bill has recruited a top-level executive team and instituted a number of directives that have helped the company achieve outstanding growth thus far in 2018. Given the success the company has been experiencing, we are increasing our sales and marketing efforts in order to drive further awareness gains in the U.S. market. We anticipate for the remainder of the year that revenue growth will continue to be strong while EBITDA will be more -- while EBITDA growth will be more moderate due to increased investment in sales and marketing.

  • Crosman's year-to-date revenue increased 16.7%, while EBITDA increased 23.7% compared to the same period in 2017, exceeding our expectations. The company benefited from a Junior ROTC contract in the first half of 2018 as well as the effects of LaserMax add-on acquisition in the third quarter of 2017.

  • Lastly, 5.11's year-to-date revenue increased 7.8%, in line with expectations, while EBITDA decreased 29.9% compared to the same period. Demand for the company's products remains robust. However, significant investments were made to support future growth, including installing a new ERP system in late 2017 and moving into a new expanded warehouse in April of 2018. These 2 major projects caused significant operational strain and reduced profitability in the first half of 2018. While these projects are largely behind us, we -- and we believe 5.11's profitability will improve in the second half of 2018. In addition to the aforementioned investments, 5.11 also experienced a reduction in direct agency shipments in the first half of 2018 as compared to 2017. As a reminder, the DTA business is highly variable, and we expect 2018 to be significantly lower than 2017. This variability is common in this line of business and our pipeline remains robust, leading to expected growth in DTA in 2019.

  • With that, I will now turn the call over to Ryan to add his comments on our financial results.

  • Ryan J. Faulkingham - Executive VP, CFO & Co-Compliance Officer

  • Thank you, Pat. Today, I will discuss our consolidated financial results for the quarter ended June 30, 2018. I will limit my comments largely to the overall results for our company since the individual subsidiary results are detailed in our Form 10-Q that was filed with the SEC yesterday.

  • On a consolidated basis, revenue for the quarter ended June 30, 2018, was $429.8 million, up 39.8% compared to $307.4 million for the prior year period. This year-over-year increase reflects notable revenue growth at our 5.11, Arnold Magnetics and Manitoba Harvest subsidiaries as well as at Clean Earth due to organic growth and contributions from add-on acquisitions. It also reflects increased revenue contribution from Crosman and its acquisition of the commercial business of LaserMax, Sterno's acquisition of Rimports and our acquisition of Foam Fabricators in February.

  • Net income for the quarter ended June 30, 2018, was $0.5 million as compared to net loss of $2.7 million for the quarter ended June 30, 2017.

  • Cash flow available for distribution or reinvestment, which we refer to as CAD, for the quarter ended June 30, 2018, was $30.3 million compared to $25.5 million in the prior year period. Based on our 2018 earnings expectations for each of our subsidiaries and the recent accretive acquisitions we completed, including Foam Fabricators, Rimports, ESMI and MKC, we still expect CAD will meaningfully exceed our distribution for the full year 2018.

  • Moving to our balance sheet. We had approximately $37.5 million in cash and cash equivalents and net working capital of $406.2 million as of June 30, 2018. We had $498.8 million outstanding on our term loan facility and $92 million in outstanding borrowings under our revolving credit facility.

  • As Elias mentioned, we have recently taken steps to further diversify our capital structure without diluting shareholders while significantly enhancing our financial flexibility for growth. In April 2018, the company signed a credit agreement for a revolving credit facility totaling $600 million and a term loan facility in the amount of $500 million. The spread on our revolver declined by approximately 50 basis points across the applicable rate grid, and the spread on our term loan B increased 25 basis points from the previous agreement.

  • In April 2018, the company also completed a private offering of $400 million of 8% senior unsecured notes due 2026. The new credit agreement replaces the company's previous revolving credit facility and term loan. In addition to closing on attractive 8-year fixed-rate notes, we are pleased to have refinanced our existing debt and extended the maturities of our revolver and term loans to 2023 and 2025, respectively, under favorable terms.

  • Turning now to capital expenditures. During the second quarter of 2018, we incurred $8.3 million of maintenance CapEx compared to $4.3 million in the prior year period. The increase in maintenance CapEx was primarily the result of the acquisitions of Crosman and Foam Fabricators as well as additional spend at Clean Earth.

  • During the second quarter, we continued to invest growth capital at 5.11, spending $8.3 million during the quarter.

  • For the remainder of 2018, we expect to incur maintenance CapEx of between $12 million and $18 million and anticipate growth CapEx spend of between $4 million and $8 million as we continue to invest in the long-term growth of our subsidiaries. We expect the majority of our growth CapEx spend will be to support 5.11's and Manitoba Harvest's long-term growth objectives.

  • Finally, a comment on 2018 CAD. As we've discussed on previous calls and in our Form 10-Q, certain of our businesses are seasonal in nature, and therefore, the second half of the year typically produces higher cash flow as compared to the first half.

  • With that, I'll now turn the call back over to Elias.

  • Elias Joseph Sabo - Partner, CEO & Director

  • Thank you, Ryan. During the second quarter, our diversified leading niche industrial and branded consumer businesses performed well, and we are encouraged by the positive momentum of our businesses as we progress through the second half of the year. Specifically, during the quarter, we grew revenues at 9 of our subsidiaries and generated solid cash flow. During the quarter, our team also continued to capitalize on compelling market opportunities, and we are pleased to have completed 2 accretive acquisitions during the quarter and 4 on a year-to-date basis.

  • I would like to close by briefly discussing M&A activity and our forward growth strategy. Middle-market deal flow continued to remain strong and steady in the second quarter as debt capital with favorable terms, combined with financial and strategic buyers seeking to deploy available equity capital, continued to drive activity.

  • Going forward, we will maintain an intense focus on executing our proven and disciplined investment strategy. We remain well-positioned to draw upon our strengths related to CODI's beneficial ownership and management attributes to pursue attractive platform acquisitions as well as add-on acquisitions to accelerate growth of our subsidiaries. By following this course and maintaining our disciplined approach to deploying capital, we will continue to provide shareholders with sizable distributions and create long-term value.

  • This concludes our opening remarks, and we'll be happy to take any questions you may have. Operator, please open the phone lines.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question is coming from Larry Solow from CJS Securities.

  • Lawrence Scott Solow - MD

  • Looks like, obviously, industrial had a really strong performance, a little bit offset by the consumer. Have you changed -- I know you did mention a little bit less on the consumer side for the full year outlook on a consolidated basis. Do you still expect the CAD to still hold that 70%, 80% payout ratio that you had sort of targeted for the full year?

  • Elias Joseph Sabo - Partner, CEO & Director

  • Yes, Larry, we still, by not mentioning it, we continue to maintain our thoughts within that range as we communicated on prior calls. The contribution will be a little bit different. A little stronger from industrial, a little weaker from consumer. But again, we think that's one of the benefits of the model is while 1 group or a company or 2 may underperform, kind of as a portfolio, kind of helps reduce a lot of the variability.

  • Lawrence Scott Solow - MD

  • Right. And it looks like some of the weakness on the consumer side is a little bit transitory too, hopefully. So you can improve some of that over time. On Clean Earth, particularly, which -- one of your leading industrial businesses, obviously, had a very good quarter. And you mentioned, of course, the add-on acquisitions, which have helped. But -- and the -- but your organic growth looked very impressive. Was there any contributions from dredging this quarter? Or was it still just the -- is that still -- do you see any turnaround there? Or is it just the other pieces performing well?

  • David P. Swanson - Partner & Manager, East Coast Office of The Compass Group

  • Yes, Larry, this is Dave. I'd say it's really the other pieces, and it's pretty broad-based across the soil facilities and the hazardous facilities and, as you mentioned, the recent add-on acquisitions and also the older add-on acquisitions seasoning. So still not much contribution from dredge on a year-over-year basis, but pretty much everything else.

  • Lawrence Scott Solow - MD

  • Okay. And Dave, while I got you, on Sterno, I know you guys mentioned it was sort of in line with your expectations. It was a little bit below mine.

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  • Patrick A. Maciariello - Partner & Manager, West Coast Office of The Compass Group

  • Ryan, you want me to take that?

  • Ryan J. Faulkingham - Executive VP, CFO & Co-Compliance Officer

  • Yes, Pat, will you answer that?

  • Patrick A. Maciariello - Partner & Manager, West Coast Office of The Compass Group

  • Sorry. So I'd say no material change on Sterno. I mean, we don't get into really the integration costs other than to say, I think, the EBITDA growth would've been positive had they been excluded. But it was a strong quarter. We're happy with our acquisitions. We're happy with our acquisition of the Rimports, and we are relatively confident in the back half of the year.

  • Ryan J. Faulkingham - Executive VP, CFO & Co-Compliance Officer

  • And just to put some color there. From our financial filings, there are a number of expenses at all of our companies that, in theory, we could add back because a lot of them are nonrecurring. However, we've always taken a very conservative approach with what is adjusted EBITDA and what can constitute an add-back. So we'd like to think that our numbers are pretty clean. And there are always a number of costs, such as what Sterno incurred, that are baked in our numbers appropriately.

  • Lawrence Scott Solow - MD

  • Okay. And just lastly on 5.11 Tactical. Obviously, the revenue performance has been rather impressive, excluding the DTC sales there. But is -- obviously, you've had a few quarters in a row here where you first had the ERP expenses and then, obviously, the warehouse moving. Are all that stuff behind us now in terms of the increased costs and temporary low burn and all that other stuff that you needed for the last couple of quarters? And hopefully, we get a little bit cleaner performance on the bottom line going forward. Is that a good expectation for 5.11?

  • Patrick A. Maciariello - Partner & Manager, West Coast Office of The Compass Group

  • Yes, I mean, I think there's -- when you go through a couple things like this, there's -- it's like an earthquake, and then there's some aftershocks. We think we're getting through the aftershocks. I cannot promise that there won't be a little bit of reverberation in the next quarter, but we think we're working our way through them.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Kyle Joseph.

  • Kyle M. Joseph - Equity Analyst

  • Just wanted to dig into the consumer companies, and specifically Ergo. I know there's a couple of different headwinds in the business right now, but if you could give us a sense for at least when we should see comps start to ease in that business. And then also, for some of the other consumer businesses, call it, Liberty and 5.11 that have been impacted by retailer bankruptcies, gives us a sense on comps easing there as well.

  • Elias Joseph Sabo - Partner, CEO & Director

  • Yes, Pat, I'll ask you to specifically talk about Ergo, and then, Kyle, I'll give an overview of just consolidated. Pat?

  • Patrick A. Maciariello - Partner & Manager, West Coast Office of The Compass Group

  • Sure. So I mean, we say here -- I think we say that in 2018, we don't think that 2018 will hit 2017 levels as far as EBITDA. I'd say it's our hope and belief that the back half of 2018 will be a better than the front half of 2018. And then we would be looking for positive growth year-over-year starting in 2019.

  • Ryan J. Faulkingham - Executive VP, CFO & Co-Compliance Officer

  • Yes, in terms of, Kyle, the broader consumer segment, there has been, as you mentioned, some consumer bankruptcies and just general headwinds that we've been experiencing. There's -- I think we've talked about this probably now for a year or even greater, this transition from brick-and-mortar to e-commerce and the effect that it has throughout the supply chain. That's continuing, and that's not going to stop. And obviously, you need to adjust to that. It had some temporary issues. There are some things, though, in our financials that are more transitory. As Larry had indicated -- or mentioned in his question earlier, both Ergo and 5.11 really suffered from things that are more transitory. Ergo, kind of 2018 will be more of a transitory year, and we expect 2019 to become a growth year again for that business. 5.11, we actually looked at starting in Q3 and the back half of the year being a stronger, again, compared to 2017 on an operating income basis. So some of it will be specific to each of the individual businesses. I would say, we believe the first half headwinds in the consumer business were stronger than what they'll be in the second half. And so we think that there'll be gradual improvement in our consumer businesses. And as we look out into kind of not only the back half of 2018 but into 2019, we think these businesses will be set up for a pretty good performance. And I would say, as I look across these companies, each one of them continues to check all the boxes for what we like in a subsidiary. They are the leading brands in the industries that they occupy. They have great margins. They produce great cash flow. They've got great management teams. So they really check the box on everything that we're looking for, and we are pleased with each of these companies. And we think that performance will kind of revert back to more normalized growth rates instead of the declines that we've had kind of as we get through this year and clearly into 2019 and beyond.

  • Kyle M. Joseph - Equity Analyst

  • Got it. That's a really helpful. And then shifting over to the middle-market deal environment. At this point, we've had some rate increases. Are you starting to see any impacts on pricing or multiples in the middle-market as a result of rate increases at this point?

  • Ryan J. Faulkingham - Executive VP, CFO & Co-Compliance Officer

  • So not yet. The market remains incredibly frothy and prices remain elevated. I would say, just the combination of -- it really has to do, I think, more today, Kyle, with the amount of available capital that's out there. So if you look at the, and this is published data, private equity funds and the amount of overhang, which I think today stands at north of $1 trillion. And that's across all asset classes, so it includes real estate and venture capital, and so it's not directly attributable. But that number is at a historic high. And if you think about some of the effects that tax change has had in terms of strategics being able to redomicile cash and then just, in general, kind of a more bullish view that people have on the economy, that's a recipe for a lot of demand for assets. And so what we continue to see is some of the more attractive larger platform-sized acquisitions fetching multiples that are well in excess of historical norms. Now that being said, and as we've proven throughout this year, we can still find some attractive opportunities with add-on companies for the 10 portfolio companies that we have. So as we kind of mentioned at our Investor Day and continue to mention, yes, we're always open for the great new platform acquisition that can be purchased at a price that beats our weighted average cost of capital. I think that is increasingly difficult to do today, but we do see numerous opportunities to continue to do add-on acquisitions. And we think in this environment, that's a great way to continue to grow our -- grow shareholder value.

  • Kyle M. Joseph - Equity Analyst

  • That's great color. And then the last one for me. Given headlines and what not we've seen about tariffs recently, just from a high-level, if you could talk about any companies you have that may have a high level of exposure there? And also highlight some that may be more insulated.

  • Ryan J. Faulkingham - Executive VP, CFO & Co-Compliance Officer

  • Yes, so probably the 2 companies that have the most exposure would be Liberty Safe and Crosman, given the amount of yield that it is consumed in both of those products. And I would say that both companies are kind of taking action steps that you would anticipate when you get such a dramatic rise, and including kind of price increases where applicable to offset some of that. So those would be the 2 biggest companies that suffer from that. Outside of that, the other 8 companies really have kind of minimal impact from any of the tariff activity. And just broadly, I would say there is not any companies that we can look at and say, right now, are broadly gaining from the tariff activities. And we would continue to say that to the extent that this causes global economic conditions to decline, obviously, that's a negative for everybody. But in specific, kind of price increases would affect those 2 companies.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) We have a question from Steven Martin from Slater Capital.

  • Steven L. Martin - Manager

  • I've had this conversation with you guys privately a number of times. Despite the growth you've achieved in the performance of the company, the stock price has basically gone nowhere and the dividend has stayed constant. And so what are you going to do? Or what are your plans to address that? Either raise the dividend, pay specials, or do -- or buy back shares instead of investing in new businesses?

  • Elias Joseph Sabo - Partner, CEO & Director

  • Yes, so thank you for the question, Steven. And I would say it's important for us that the share price does reflect kind of the underlying value of the businesses. Sometimes that can be a greater discount, other times it's less. Our goal is always first and foremost to operate our businesses, make good investments on behalf of our shareholders and generate great returns. And I think if we do that, we've always believed, over time, the share price should kind of reflect to the activities. I would say couple of things just to think about. Number one, the distribution is meaningful here. And so kind of it's been anywhere from kind of 8% to mid-9% depending on the price where the stock has been. So that's made up a meaningful component of total return. And when you're distributing out that much of your cash flow, clearly, it's going to impact some of the capital appreciation on the stock. Now that being said, we also believe that a lot of the activities that we're doing should warrant a higher valuation in the shares. And so our goal is to go out and tell the story as much as possible, try to attract new shareholders into our capital structure and into our shares. And with continued performance of our subsidiaries, we've guided for the first time that we believe our coverage on -- from our cash flow compared to our distribution will be as strong as it's been in kind of as long as I can remember. And so going out and continuing to tell that story to reinforce it, we think, should have positive effects on the share price. I think to the extent, over time, that, that doesn't happen, then we'll have to reevaluate. And I would just say that everything is on the table in terms of what it will take to create positive all-in returns for our shareholders, including kind of the actions that you suggest.

  • Steven L. Martin - Manager

  • All right. Well, I would just suggest that you revisit this -- you visit this issue sooner rather than later because you've done a whole bunch of accretive acquisitions over the last 12 months, and if the market isn't willing to recognize it, then I think it behooves you, instead of growing the business more, to pay your shareholders better.

  • Elias Joseph Sabo - Partner, CEO & Director

  • Yes, understood.

  • Operator

  • I'm not showing any further questions. I would now like to turn the call back to Elias Sabo for closing remarks.

  • Elias Joseph Sabo - Partner, CEO & Director

  • I would like to thank everyone again for joining us on today's call and for your continued interest in CODI. We look forward to sharing our progress with you in the future.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the call. Everyone, have a great day.