CNFinance Holdings Ltd (CNF) 2023 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Hello, and welcome to the CNFinance fourth quarter and fiscal year of 2023 financial results conference call.

(Operator Instructions) Please note this event is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Matthew Lou, Investor Relations Manager.

Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Good morning and evening, and welcome to the CNFinance fourth quarter and fiscal year of 2023 financial results conference call.

In today's call, our Director and Vice President, Mr. Jun Qian will walk us through the operating results, followed by the financial results from our CFO, Mrs. Li.

After that, we will have a Q&A session.

Before we start, I would like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended and as defined in the US Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

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The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statement as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required under law.

Now please welcome, Mr. Jun Qian.

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(interpreted) Thank you for taking this time to join this conference call.

We will discuss CNFinance fourth quarter and fiscal year of 2023 operating and financial results and followed by a Q&A session.

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(interpreted) 2023 is another important year in the history of CNFinance.

As the condition of China's macro economy and real estate market continue to be complex, we were still able to deliver a solid result at year-end.

We concluded the year facilitating loans of RMB17.3 billion, representing a year-on-year growth of 18%.

In 2023, our interest income increased slightly as compared to that of 2022.

Yet, our interest expense was 8% lower than that of 2022.

In 2023, the liquidity pressure of our sales partners have eased due to the instalment policy we have given them.

Also, as we started to involve sales partners under the commercial bank partnership, the protection to the loans are much stronger, which led to a 23% decrease of provision for credit losses.

As the result, we have recorded a net income of RMB165 million in 2023, representing a year-on-year growth of 21%.

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(interpreted) The company has faced many challenges in 2023.

We have completed the following tasks to ensure smooth operations.

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(interpreted) First, promoting the commercial bank partnership and enriching the product mix.

Since its launch, the commercial bank partnership has gradually gained recognition from the market and our partners due to its high-quality borrower base and low financing cost.

In 2023, we originated loans of RMB5 billion under the commercial bank partnership and recorded a net revenue of approximately RMB88 million.

As of December 31, 2023, the outstanding loan principle under the commercial bank partnership was RMB4.3 billion.

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(interpreted) Second, optimizing funding structure.

As the market environment evolves, the management started negotiating with our funding partners to optimize funding structure.

Based on the mutually beneficial relationship between the founders and CNF, our funding partners were very supportive on that subject.

As the result, our interest expense in 2023 was 8% lower as compared to the same period of 2022.

We believe this has laid the foundation for us and the founding partners to continuously expand the business.

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(interpreted) Third, continue to support our sales partners.

In 2023, to help those partners alleviate their liquidity pressure, we continue to refine our instalment policy for repurchasing delinquent loans.

As the result, some sales partners who failed to fulfil their obligations were able to recommence the instalments and start to introduce new borrowers to the company.

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(interpreted) Fourth, improving asset quality due to the uncertainty associated with the real estate market, the management has decided to strategically shift CNF's business to core areas of Chinese core cities. 90% of loans CNF facilitated in 2023 with in Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities.

In addition, in the fourth quarter of 2023, the company disposed of a bulk of nonperforming loans, which helped the company to reduce its risk exposure and recover cash.

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(interpreted) Fifth, using technology to refine credit assessments.

In 2023, we have applied the property rating system to make more accurate evaluation of collaterals.

We have also applied a risk control model designed by one of our commercial bank partners by adding more variables -- we can give more thorough analysis of applicants.

As a result, our delinquency ratio dropped to 15.6% as of the end of 2023 as compared to 19.2% as of the end of 2022.

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(interpreted) We believe that the company will continue to face challenges in 2024 as there are still uncertainties associated with China's real estate market, it is equally important for us to maintain growth and contain risks.

Our major tasks for 2024 includes the following.

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(interpreted) First, we will keep mix innovation in product mix.

In the year of 2023, we have optimized our geographic footprint.

Our goal for 2024 is to diversify our product offerings to meet borrowers' needs in different scenarios and target high-quality collaterals as well as borrowers with better risk profile.

At the same time, we will further optimize our sales team to accommodate with the adjustment of product mix.

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(interpreted) Second, facing the complex property market, we will prioritize asset quality.

First, we will refine our risk control mechanism except for collateral value, we will also assign greater importance to evaluating borrowers in decision making.

For example, we will take into account the applicant industry as that may impact its ability to make payments.

Other than that, we will apply differentiated review procedures for large cases.

In addition, we will continue to dispose of nonperforming loans to contain our risk exposure.

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(interpreted) Third, as one of the leaders in the industry, CNFinance fully recognizes the importance of compliance building for company's sustainable growth.

In 2024, we will continue to strengthen the compliance building.

First, we will continue to refine our internal control mechanism.

Second, we will conduct compliance training on a regular basis to enhance our employees' awareness and also apply regular inspections, case audits and other critical means.

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(interpreted) Now I will hand the call over to our CFO, Mrs. Li, to walk you through fourth quarter and fiscal year of 2023 financials.

Thank you, Mr. Qian, and welcome to our conference call.

Now I would like to walk you through the fourth quarter and fiscal year of 2023 financials.

Please note it that the currencies that we use within RMB, and all the comparison will be made on a year over year basis unless otherwise stated.

For the first quarter of 2023, the total interest and fees income remained -- rather stable at RMB445 million.

The interest income charge to sales partner increased by 11% to RMB36 million from RMB33 million in the prior year.

It's primarily attributable to an increase in the delinquent loan staff were recruited by sales partner in instalments.

Total interest and fees expense decreased by 7% to RMB187 million as compared to RMB201 million in last year.

And this is primarily due to the lower funding cost of [trust] company partners.

Net interest and fees income increased by 2% to RMB258 million as compared to RMB253 million in last year.

Net revenue under the commercial bank furnishing model was RMB10 million as compared to RMB56 million in last year.

The decrease was primarily due to the decrease of loan recommended by the commercial banks in the fourth quarter of 2023 as compared to last year.

Collaboration costs for the sales partners increased to RMB91 million from RMB80 million, primarily attributable to an increase of daily average outstanding loan principles under the trust lending model during the fourth quarter of 2023 as well as the involvement of sales partner and the commercial bank partnership model since the beginning of this year.

Provision for credit losses was RMB42 million as compared to RMB143 million in last year, primarily attributable to the lower delinquency ratio.

Besides the fourth quarter of 2023, some sales partner who forfeited their credit risk mitigation position due to the inability to fill their obligation to repurchase the delinquency loans during the first half of 2023.

And then before the year-end, they were able to recommend the payment.

In addition, we start to involve sales partner under the commercial bank partnership since the beginning of 2023, which has jointly led to an increased guarantee asset and also provide more protection to the loans.

Net loss on sales of loans was RMB12 million as compared to RMB1 million in last year.

Total operating expense increased by 15% to RMB97 million compared to RMB84 million in last year.

Net income decreased by 33% to RMB19 million from RMB28 million.

For the fiscal year of 2023, the total interest fees income increased by 1% to RMB1,755 million as compared to RMB1,731 million.

Interest income charged to sales partner increased by 10% to RMB135 million from RMB122 million in last year.

This is primarily due to an increase in the delinquent loans we were repurchased by the sales partner in instalment.

Total interest and fees expense decreased by 8% to RMB723 million as compared to RMB785 million, primarily due to the lower funding course of trust company partners.

Net revenue under the commercial bank partnership model increased by 53% to RMB88 million from RMB58 million.

The increase was primarily due to the increase of loan recommended by the commercial banks in this year as compared to the last year.

Collaboration cost for sales partners increased by 7% to RMB334 million as compared to the RMB321 million in last year, primarily attributable to an increase of daily average outstanding loan principal under the trust lending models in 2023 and also the involvement of sales partner in the commercial bank partnership model since the beginning of this year.

Provision for credit losses was RMB183 million as compared to RMB238 million in last year, primarily due to the lower delinquency ratio despite in the fiscal year of 2023, some sales partners who forfeited their credit risk mitigation positions due to the inability to fulfil their obligation to repurchase delinquency loans during the first half of 2023.

We're able to recommend their payments.

In addition, we started to involve sales partner under the commercial bank partnership since the beginning of 2023, which has jointly led to an increase of guaranteed assets and also provide more protection to the loans.

Other gains was RMB5 million for this year and compared with RMB90 million in last year.

Turning to -- starting in the second half of 2023, the balance of credit risk mitigation position forfeited by the sales partner has been decreased.

As we refine our instalment policy to ease the liquidity pressure of the sales partners when the credit risk mitigation position deposit by trust partner are complicated by the company.

The company will recognize the amount of future profit and other gains.

In the first quarter of 2023, some sales partners who forfeited their credit risk mitigation positions were able to continue to fulfil their guarantee responsibility and associated with the credit risk mitigation positions will not be deemed as confiscated.

Total operating expenses was RMB381 million as compared to RMB339 million, and the net income increased by 22% to RMB165 million as compared to the RMB135 million in last year.

As of December 31, 2023, the company held cash and cash equivalents of RMB2 billion as compared with RMB1.8 billion as of December 31, 2022.

The delinquency ratio for loans originated by the company decreased from 19.2% as December 31, 2022, to 15.6% at the year-end of 2023.

And the NPL ratio for the loans originated by the company increased was 1.2% of as of the end of this year compared with 1.1% as of December 31, 2022.

With that, we would like to start the Q&A session.

(Operator Instructions)

William Gregozeski, Greenbridge Global

Hi.

With the continued decrease in the borrowing costs, do you think that the rate you've seen in the last quarter is the rate that we should expect you guys to be borrowing at going forward?

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(interpreted) So the average rate that we charge our borrowers in 2023 was 16.1%, down from 16.3% from 2022.

And going forward, in 2024, I think based on the market conditions, our goal is to keep lowering the financing cost of our borrowers.

Okay.

Can you talk kind of generally about the demand for the loans that you're seeing in terms of the size and the split between trust and commercial?

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(interpreted) So in 2023 due to uncertainties associated with the real asset market, the loan demand from MSE owners are actually not as expected.

And so in the first 2 months, we don't see the strength to recover in the first 2 months in the year of 2024.

If you take a look in the release data, China's new RMB loans in the first 2 months of 2024 was actually RMB1,100 billion lower than that of the same time of 2023.

In the year of 2023, we facilitated loans of RMB12.2 billion under the trust lending model and RMB50 billion under the commercial bank model.

So the commercial bank -- the loan facilitation under the commercial bank model was actually 30% of the total loans originated, which well met our goals in the beginning of 2023.

And also for the year of 2024, we still target the ratio between loans facilitated under trust lending and commercial lending to be RMB723 million, mainly the commercial bank model will take up 30% of our loan originations.

And our target for loan origination for 2024, we want to achieve growth and we target to be RMB20 billion in total.

Okay, great.

You mentioned doing some things like the compliance training and the audits and the increase borrower quality evaluation.

Does that tie in at all to the technology upgrades for the platform you've been talking about?

Or is that something different?

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(interpreted) So those are two different tasks.

So as a participant in the financial industry, we believe that compliance building is one essential thing that we should do.

So for the year of 2024, we will surely enhance our compliance building, and we want to make all the audits, we want to do the trainings and make compliance one essential thing for the culture and the culture on the company.

As for the investment in the technology.

So in the year of 2023, we basically invested in two things.

One is to enhance our evaluation of collaterals to make more accurate evaluation of the value of the collaterals.

And the other thing is that, as we said, we worked with one of our commercial bank partners to bring in this one big data model to give more thorough ratings to our borrowers.

And also in the year of 2024, we will keep on investing in technology.

And we want to use the actual practical data that we collect from our daily operations to make adjustments to those systems and to make it more suitable to our business and to adjust if there is anything that needs to be removed or anything that needs to be add into that model.

Okay, great.

And then last question.

The share repurchase plan looks like it expired.

Is there any plans to renew that?

I'm sorry, could you say that again?

Yeah.

The share repurchase plan, looks like the term on that expired -- [like or we can have] is there any plans to renew that?

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(interpreted) So that was actually from our CFO, Mrs. Li.

And she said we will be going to present it in front of our Board of Directors hoping to extend this [per share] repurchase plan for another year.

Okay, great.

Thank you, guys.

(Operator Instructions)

This concludes our question-and-answer session.

I would like to turn the conference back over to Matthew Lou for any closing remarks.

Thank you, Drew, and thank you everybody for joining us today in this conference call.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at ir.cashchina.cn. Thank you.

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Editor^ Portions of this transcript that are marked (interpreted) were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.

The interpreter was provided by the company sponsoring this event.