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  • Operator

  • Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Second Quarter 2017 Cummins Inc. Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions)

  • And now it's my pleasure to turn the call to the VP of Finance Operations, Mr. Mark Smith. Please go ahead.

  • Mark A. Smith - VP of Financial Operations

  • Thank you, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to our teleconference today to discuss Cummins results for the second quarter of 2017.

  • Participating with me today are our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Tom Linebarger; and our Chief Financial Officer, Pat Ward. We'll be available for your questions after our prepared remarks.

  • Before we start, please note that some of the information you will hear or be given today will consist of forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934.

  • Such statements express our forecasts, expectations, hopes, beliefs and intentions on strategies regarding the future.

  • Our actual future results could differ materially from those projected in such forward-looking statements because of a number of risks and uncertainties.

  • More information regarding such risks and uncertainties is available in our forward-looking disclosure statement and our slide deck and our filings with the SEC, particularly the Risk Factors section of our most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K.

  • During the course of this call, we will be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures, and we refer you to our website for the reconciliation of those measures to GAAP.

  • Our press release with a copy of the financial statements and a copy of today's webcast presentation are available on our website at cummins.com under the heading of Investors and Media.

  • Now I'll turn it over to Tom.

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Brilliant. Okay. Thank you, Mark. Good morning. I'll start with a summary of our second quarter results and finish with a discussion of our outlook for 2017. Pat will then take you through more details of both our second quarter financial performance and our forecast for the year.

  • Revenues for the second quarter of 2017 were $5.1 billion, an increase of 12% compared to the second quarter of 2016 due to stronger demand for trucks and construction equipment in North America and China and improving orders from customers in mining and oil and gas markets.

  • EBIT was $620 million or 12.2% compared to $591 million or 13.1% a year ago. EBIT decreased as a percentage of sales and was below our own expectations, primarily due to higher warranty costs. Variable compensation costs also increased both year-over-year and versus the first quarter as a result of our improved outlook for full year earnings.

  • Warranty costs were 3.7% of sales in the second quarter, up from 2.2% a year ago. Two unrelated issues caused most of the increase. In our Power Generation -- Power Systems segment, engine testing at our manufacturing plant identified a component quality issue that may impact engine performance. Although no performance issues have yet occurred in the field, we are taking actions to protect our customers, and we recorded a $31 million charge to reflect the estimated costs of the campaign.

  • Secondly, we experienced higher warranty claims associated with late-life components in on-highway applications in North America that caused us to increase our warranty reserve by $36 million for products delivered in 2012 and 2013. This additional charge primarily impacted the Components segment.

  • We've made significant improvements in the quality of our products and especially in our new product launches. Cummins' products are performing at record levels of reliability, and our market share reflects that strong performance.

  • On the other hand, the complexity of our products have increased significantly to meet tough emissions regulations. Customer expectations have also increased, and the environments where our products are used are more demanding than ever. Thus, we are redoubling our efforts on improving product quality and developing new techniques using telematics and big data to complement our existing quality tools.

  • We expect to resolve the specific quality issues we experienced this quarter quickly, and we expect warranty costs to decline as a percent of sales by 50 basis points in the second half of the year.

  • Engine business sales increased by 15% in the second quarter compared to a year ago due to higher industry truck production and growth in our market share. We also experienced strong growth in demand from construction OEMs in China and North America.

  • EBIT for the quarter was 12% compared to 10.3% for the same period in 2016. Benefits from higher volumes and stronger joint venture earnings in China and the absence of a loss-contingency charge recorded a year ago were more than offset -- more than offset higher variable costs and warranty costs.

  • Sales for the Distribution segment increased by 12% year-over-year, resulting from 6% organic growth net of currency and an additional 6% increase resulting from the acquisition of a last remaining distributor joint venture in North America in the fourth quarter of last year.

  • Stronger parts and service revenues in oil and gas and mining markets in North America and higher parts sales in China drove the improvement in organic revenues. Second quarter EBIT was 5.6%, flat compared to the second quarter 2016 as the benefit of higher sales were offset by higher variable compensation costs.

  • Second quarter revenues for the Components segment increased by 14%. International revenues increased by 25% due to strong growth in truck demand in China and the sale of new products in India to meet the Bharat Stage IV emissions regulations introduced in April this year.

  • EBIT for the second quarter was 13.1% compared to 14.9% in the same quarter a year ago. The benefit of the higher volumes and material cost-reduction programs were more than offset by the increase in warranty costs that I discussed earlier.

  • Power Systems sales increased by 10% in the second quarter, primarily driven by an increase in engine and parts sales to mining and oil and gas customers. EBIT in the second quarter was 6% compared to 9.8% a year ago. The primary driver of the lower EBIT margin was the accrual for the estimated costs of the quality campaign. The business also experienced an increase in commodity costs and higher variable compensation costs associated with the company's improved outlook for the full year.

  • Excluding the campaign and some additional onetime costs, the business is operating at approximately 10% EBIT margin. With improving market conditions in some key markets and the benefits of our U.K. manufacturing restructuring still to come in 2018, we are confident that we will see a significant step-up in profitability in the coming quarters.

  • Now I will comment on the performance in some of our key markets for the second quarter of 2017 starting with North America, and then I will comment on some of our largest international markets.

  • Our revenues in North America improved 13% in the second quarter, primarily due to higher levels of industry production and increased market share in on-highway markets. We also experienced growth in sales of engines and parts to customers in construction, oil and gas and mining markets.

  • Industry production of North American heavy-duty trucks increased 4% in the second quarter of 2017 while sales of our heavy-duty engines increased 16% due to higher market share at 32%, up from 29% a year ago.

  • Production of medium-duty trucks increased 15% in the second quarter while our engine shipments increased 27% as our market share improved 600 basis points, reaching nearly 80% in the quarter. Total shipments to our North American pickup truck customers increased 6% compared to a year ago due to strong demand from FCA.

  • Engine sales for construction equipment in North America increased 31% in the second quarter compared to a weak quarter a year ago with some OEMs optimistic about the prospects for increased infrastructure investment. Sales of engine shipments to higher [star] markets in North America increased 147% compared to a very weak quarter a year ago, driven by higher sales to oil and gas customers.

  • Revenues for Power Generation showed little change from weak levels a year ago, with shipments of mobile generators for recreational vehicles helping to offset lower military sales.

  • Our international revenues increased by 11% in the second quarter of 2017 compared to a year ago. Second quarter revenues in China, including joint ventures, were $1.2 billion, an increase of 28% due to continued strength in truck and construction markets. Industry demand for medium- and heavy-duty trucks in China increased by 46% compared to a year ago, and our market share for the quarter was 14%, slightly below the level a year ago, reflecting a mix shift in industry sales to dump trucks in which we have a lower share of the market today. Penetration of our products with our key OEM customers remains very strong.

  • Shipments of our light-duty engines in China increased by 35%, above the overall increase in the market of 10%. Our market share rose by 150 basis points from a year ago to more than 8% as we continue to displace local competitors from Foton's vehicle lineup.

  • Chinese industry demand for excavators in the second quarter increased 102% from a year ago, reflecting a rebound in construction activity. Our shipment of engines to construction customers across all equipment categories increased 125%.

  • Revenues for our Power Systems business in China increased 4% due to higher demand from mining and rail customers.

  • Second quarter revenues in India, including joint ventures, were $431 million, a 5% increase from the second quarter a year ago. Revenues for Power Generation equipment increased 6%, and sales of construction engines increased 25%, reflecting growing investment in infrastructure.

  • Industry production of trucks in India decreased 25% year-over-year following the introduction of the Bharat Stage IV emissions reg in April.

  • In Brazil, our revenues increased by 16%, primarily due to an increase in truck production in the quarter and the appreciation of the Brazilian real.

  • Now let me provide our overall outlook for 2017 and then comment on individual regions and end markets. We are now forecasting total company revenues for 2017 to be up 9% to 11%, higher than our previous projection of up 4% to 7% due to stronger demand in our off-highway and construction markets in both North America and China and improving orders from Global Mining customers.

  • We've raised our forecast for industry production of heavy-duty trucks in North America to 205,000 units, up 2% compared to 2016 and above our prior forecast of 195,000 units. We expect our market share to be above the midpoint of our prior projection of 29% to 32%.

  • In the medium-duty truck market, we have raised our outlook for the market size to 115,000 units, an increase of 6% compared to 2016 and 2% higher than our previous forecast. We now expect our market share to be at the top end of our prior forecast of 73% to 75%.

  • Consumer demand for pickup trucks in North America remains strong with our full year shipments of engines expected to increase 5% above our previous projection of 1% growth. In China, we expect full year domestic revenues, including joint ventures, to grow 26% compared to our previous projection of a 3% increase.

  • Revenues for the second half of the year are expected to decline by approximately 20% compared to the first half, reflecting an easing in demand for trucks and typical seasonality in construction markets. Industry sales of medium- and heavy-duty trucks are expected to reach 1.25 million units, a 28% increase from last year and higher than our previous forecast of 1 million units, driven in part by demand resulting from the introduction of regulations last year aiming at curbing overloading.

  • We expect truck market to grow 3% in 2017, unchanged from our previous guidance. Our market share in the medium- and heavy-duty truck market in China is expected to be 15%, flat with 2016. And in light duty, we expect our share to exceed 8%, up from 7% in 2016.

  • We currently project revenue from all off-highway markets in China to grow by 15% to 20%, up from our previous guidance of 10% to 15%. In India, we expect total revenues, including joint ventures, to be flat to up 3% year-over-year, with a 5% increase in off-highway demand and growth from new product sales in our Components business, partially offset by a 12% decline in truck production.

  • In Brazil, full year truck production is projected to increase 10% in 2017 compared to a very weak 2016 when the industry experienced the lowest level of truck production in more than a decade. We expect our global high-horsepower engine shipments to increase more than 30%, up from our prior forecast of 10% to 15% growth as demand from mining customers continues to strengthen.

  • Engine demand from oil and gas customers in North America has exceeded our previous expectations for this year although visibility into 2018 remains limited.

  • In summary, we've raised our full year outlook for sales to increase 9% to 11%. We've maintained our forecast for EBIT to be in the range of 11.75% to 12.5%. Comparing second half to first half performance, we expect lower warranty costs in the second half of the year, balanced with weaker demand in China, targeted investments in critical new technologies and some risk from higher commodity costs.

  • With improving demand in a number of important markets, our leading market share and strong operating performance, we remain very confident in the future earning power of our business.

  • During the quarter, we returned $241 million in cash to shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases and also announced a 5.4% increase in our quarterly cash dividend, consistent with our plans to return 50% of operating cash flow to shareholders in 2017.

  • Finally, we announced earlier today that we have formally closed our deal with Eaton to form an Eaton-Cummins automated transmissions joint venture. We are excited about working with our capable partner to offer customers leading technology in both automated transmissions and now fully integrate power trains. Rising demand for automated transmissions around the world should drive growth for the joint venture and opportunities for our customers and partners.

  • Now let me turn it over to Pat.

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. I will start with a review of the company's second quarter financial results before discussing the performance across the 4 operating segments in more detail. I will then provide an update on our outlook for the remainder of the year.

  • Second quarter revenues were $5.1 billion, an increase of 12% from a year ago, with sales increasing in each of our operating segments, primarily driven by stronger demand in global on-highway, construction, mining and oil and gas markets, partially offset by continued weakness in Power Generation markets.

  • Sales in North America, which represented 58% of our second quarter revenues, improved by 13% from a year ago due to increased sales of engines and Components to reach higher levels of heavy- and medium-duty truck production and increased demand in industrial markets.

  • International sales improved by 11% from a year ago, primarily due to increased sales in China, India and Russia, partially offset by declines in the Middle East and in Africa.

  • Gross margins were 24.6% of sales, which declined from 26.4% a year ago, primarily due to a higher warranty and variable compensation expenses, which more than offset the benefits from stronger volumes and material cost-reduction initiatives.

  • Selling, admin and research and development costs of $770 million or 15.2% of sales increased by $91 million and increased as a percent of sales by 20 basis points from last year, mainly due to higher variable compensation expenses and increased investments from new products.

  • Joint venture income of $98 million increased by $10 million from last year, primarily due to increased demand in China for both on- and off-highway equipment. Other income and expense improved by $18 million due to a gain on a fixed asset sale and higher loyalty income. And in the second quarter of 2016, we had a $39 million charge for a loss contingency that did not repeat this year.

  • Earnings before interest and tax were $620 million or 12.2% of sales for the quarter compared to $591 million or 13.1% a year ago. EBIT as a percent of sales declined, primarily due to the increased warranty expenses in addition to the higher variable compensation expense.

  • Net earnings for the quarter were $424 million or $2.53 per diluted share compared to $406 million or $2.40 a share from a year ago. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 26.4%, in line with our full year guidance of 26%.

  • Moving on to the operating segments. Let me summarize their performance in the second quarter, and then I will review the company's revenue and profitability expectations for the full year and conclude with some comments on cash flow.

  • In the Engine segment, revenues were $2.3 billion in the quarter, an increase of 15% from last year due to a 14% increase in on-highway sales, driven primarily by increased mobile truck production and from strong demand for engines for construction equipment in both China and North America, which drove a 20% increase in off-highway revenues in the quarter.

  • Segment EBIT in the second quarter was $277 million or 12% of sales, and this compares to $206 million or 10.3% a year ago. Earnings increased as the benefits from higher engine and parts sales, material cost-reduction initiatives, stronger joint-venture earnings in China and the absence of the loss-contingency charge recorded a year ago more than offset higher variable compensation and warranty costs.

  • We now expect full year revenues to be up 10% to 12% compared to our previous guidance of up 2% to 6% due to improved outlook in most markets. Our forecast for EBIT margins is to be in the range of 10.5% to 11.5% of sales, an increase compared to 10.25% to 11.25% that we provided before.

  • For the Distribution segment, second quarter revenues were $1.7 billion, an increase of 12% compared to last year. Organic sales for the quarter increased by 7%. Revenue from the acquisition completed in the fourth quarter of 2016 added 6%, and this was partially offset by 1% unfavorable currency impact. The EBIT margin for the quarter was $96 million, an increase of 10% from last year and remained flat at 5.6% of sales due to higher variable compensation costs offsetting the benefits of volume growth.

  • For 2017, Distribution revenue is now projected to increase 9% to 11% compared to our previous guidance of up 4% to 8% due to strengthening off-highway demand for engines, parts and rebuilds. We are forecasting EBIT margins to be in a range of 5.75% to 6.25% of sales, slightly lower than our previous guidance of 6% to 6.75%.

  • For the Components segment, revenues were $1.5 billion in the second quarter, a 14% increase from a year ago and a quarterly record.

  • International revenues increased 25%, primarily due to 47% increase in sales in China and the first sales of new after-treatment systems in India due to emission standard that was introduced in April. Sales in North America increased 6% due to higher heavy- and medium-duty truck production. Segment EBIT was $190 million or 13.1% of sales compared to 14.9% a year ago. An increase in warranty expense recorded for the change in estimate for the prior model year after-treatment products was the primary driver of the margin decline.

  • In 2017, we now expect revenue to increase 13% to 15% compared to our prior guidance of up 6% to 10%. The change in guidance is the result of stronger truck demand in China and improvements in the North American truck market. EBIT is projected to be in the range of 13% to 13.5% of sales compared to 12.5% to 13.5% in our previous forecast.

  • In the Power Systems segment, second quarter revenues were $1 billion, an increase of 10% from a year ago. Mining revenues increased 50%, and oil and gas revenues more than tripled compared to the same quarter a year ago, while Power Generation sales declined by 5% due to weak demand in the Middle East and in Africa.

  • EBIT margins were 6% in the quarter, down from 9.8% last year, primarily due to the higher warranty expenses recorded for the quality campaign as well as an increase in commodity costs and higher variable compensation costs associated with the company's improved outlook for the full year.

  • For 2017, we expect Power Systems segment revenues to increase 8% to 10% versus a prior guidance of up 1% to 5% with stronger demand in industrial markets, particularly in mining and oil and gas markets driving the improvement. EBIT margins are expected to be between 7% and 8% of sales, unchanged from our previous guidance.

  • And for the company, we are raising our outlook for revenues to be up 9% to 11% versus the previous guidance of up 4% to 7%. The increase is primarily due to stronger demand in Chinese construction and truck markets and an increase in our outlook for truck production and higher demand from oil and gas customers in North America.

  • Foreign currency headwinds are expected to reduce revenues by approximately $100 million, which is a smaller impact than previously forecasted, primarily due to the euro and British pound strengthening against the U.S. dollar over the last 3 months. Income from our joint ventures is now expected to increase by 12% in 2017 compared to our previous guidance of flat. Stronger demand in China is driving the year-over-year growth in earnings and is expected to more than offset the reduction in income from the consolidation of the last remaining distributor in the fourth quarter of 2016.

  • We expect EBIT margins to be between 11.75% and 12.5% of sales for 2017, unchanged from our previous forecast due to the higher-than-expected warranty costs offsetting the benefit of higher volumes, and this compares to 11.4% last year.

  • Looking ahead to the second half of the year, warranty costs will come down. However, the benefits from this will be offset as we do expect to see weaker demand in China and increase in commodity costs as well as an increase in targeted investments in critical new technologies. The revenue and earnings guidance provided today does not include the impact from the Eaton-Cummins joint venture. We are still in the process of completing the purchase accounting associated with our investment in this new venture, but we do not expect the joint venture to have a material impact on the company's financial results in 2017. We will provide an update on our third quarter earnings call.

  • Turning to cash flow. Cash generated from operating activities for the second quarter was $447 million, bringing the year-to-date total to $826 million, a 12% increase from the same period last year. We anticipate the operating cash flow for the full year will be within our long-term guidance of 10% to 15% of sales.

  • Capital expenditure during the quarter was $101 million, bringing year-to-date total to $182 million, and we still expect our investments will be in the range of $500 million to $530 million for the full year.

  • In the second quarter, we returned $241 million to shareholders through dividend payments and share repurchases. For the first 6 months of the year, we have returned $463 million. We continue to demonstrate our commitment to shareholder returns with the recent 5.4% increase in our quarterly cash dividend, which is part of the plan to return 50% of operating cash flow to shareholders this year.

  • Although we were clearly disappointed with the increase in product coverage cost in the second quarter, we are encouraged with the progress made so far on our overall performance with sales up 10% compared to the first half of 2016; EBIT up $111 million, up 10% higher; and earnings per share up 15%.

  • Markets are returning as you can see from the increase in guidance across all 4 segments, and we believe we are well prepared to meet customer demand as market conditions continue to improve.

  • Finally, I would like to announce that we will be holding our Analyst Day on November 16 in Indianapolis, Indiana. And invitations to this event will be sent out in the middle of August.

  • Now let me turn it back over to Mark.

  • Mark A. Smith - VP of Financial Operations

  • Okay, we're now ready to move to the Q&A section of the call.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) And our first question is from the line of David Raso from Evercore ISI.

  • David Michael Raso - Senior MD, Head of Industrial Research Team and Fundamental Research Analyst

  • My questions. I'm trying to think about incremental margins year-over-year on a segment basis. If you pull out the warranty costs for 2Q, it implies the incrementals were about 15% to 16%. Still not fantastic. When you look at the implied second half at first blush, it feels better. It looks like 24%, 25%. But actually if you go back to the third quarter of last year and pull out that big loss contingency, it implies the second half incremental this year is still only 14%. So I know a lot of puts and takes, given all the different parts of your company. But I mean, big picture, Tom, how should we think about the company's incremental margins as we try to model beyond '17?

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • So David, let me take the first shot to that, and then Tom can jump in with the long-term outlook. So in the second half of the year, the one other factor that is impacting the margin improvement is the increase in variable compensation costs. So compared to last year, we're performing much better on a full year basis. And as a result of that, we will be incurring significantly more higher variable comp accruals in the second half of the year than the second half of last year. For the full year all in, we're still looking -- even with the higher variable comp somewhere around the 20% incremental EBIT margin at the midpoint. So to your point, we don't have the loss contingency that we recorded last year, but we do have much higher variable compensation costs this year, and I don't think -- I'll let Tom speak for himself in a second, but I don't think our thoughts on our long-term incremental margin targets have changed at all. We've said 20% for some time, and I think we remain committed to that.

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes, that's right. I mean, the variable compensation cost thing does normalize. I mean, what we have is when we are performing worse than planned because markets negatively surprise us, we have lower variable compensation costs, which bolster our financials. And when things bounce up faster than we expected, the reverse occurs, but in the end, they work themselves out. So I just agree with Pat's point of view. We feel like the earnings power of the company remains the same, and we still think 20% incremental margins is what we're capable of and what we're demonstrating when we pull out these kind of onetime or unusual period costs. So we feel just as strong as we ever did about that.

  • Operator

  • And our next question is from the line of Adam Uhlman with Cleveland Research.

  • Adam William Uhlman - Partner and Senior Research Analyst

  • I was wondering if we could start with the quality and the warranty costs. First of all, could you talk through -- is there any likelihood of recovery from any suppliers that might have been involved in this? Or is this all Cummins' components specifically? And then secondly, related to that, if you could just spend time about what process changes are underway to reduce the likelihood of these expenses going forward.

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • That's great. I'll take that one. And let me start with second question first. As I mentioned in my remarks, we've made a lot of improvement in quality especially related to new product launches, and that has dramatically improved the liability of products over the last several years, and our products are performing well in the market as a result of that. But also, as I mentioned, the complexity of products continues to increase. There are many new markets like China and other markets where the use of the products is really demanding and used in various ways. And so what we're trying to do is utilize the benefits of data we're getting from our telematics system to begin to use new methods to improve quality of products, both at launch but also in longer mileage situations because again, expectations of performance of these products over sustained periods of time have gone up by customers. I think that's normal for every industry. So we've got to have the ability to maintain quality over a long period of time and again, over multiple owners and multiple applications. So that's where we're using a lot of this new data with new techniques to mine that data and make -- correlate that data with how products perform in the field. So again, this is not new. We've been working on that for some time. But we now have some pretty useful tools we think we can apply to our quality efforts, and we need to do that. That's what I was mentioning in my remarks. With regard to supplier recovery, it is an area of focus for us. And in the specific quality issues we have in the second quarter, we do think there's some potential for supplier recovery. But right now, what we're focused on is improving the situation for customers, making sure there's no negative impact on customers, getting the products right. Again, we just feel like we're in a really strong position with our products in terms of how they're performing, and of course, that's showing up in market share. So we want to make sure we get that right, get the issues behind us and move on, and then we'll deal with the supplier recovery issues.

  • Adam William Uhlman - Partner and Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay. So the supplier recovery isn't embedded within your expectation of improvement in warranty expense in the second half? I was just...

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Yes, we have nothing -- we have nothing assumed within that 50 basis point improvement number that you have for any supply recovery in the second half.

  • Operator

  • And our next question is from the line of Steven Fisher with UBS.

  • Cleveland Dodge Rueckert - Associate Director and Associate Analyst

  • This is Cleve Rueckert on for Steve. Just looking at your markets, how do you compare the potential for continued strength in oil and gas versus mining? Do they both have the same potential or does one market give you more visibility? And which one do you think would have a bigger impact on Cummins?

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Mining seems to be demonstrating a more sustainable improvement path. We have more visibility to it also based on the number of OEMs we serve and our participation in the market. We have more visibility. Again, we don't, right now, we don't have long visibility on mining. We don't know where it reaches relative to previous peaks or anything, but it looks like it's on a relatively sustained recovery. And of course, we're experienced -- it's experiencing reasons for that in our commodity costs. We're seeing higher commodity costs coming in as cost, which again says that, that's more favorable conditions for mining. So we're seeing some benefit on revenue and some hit on costs. On the oil and gas side, I'd say we don't see that. First of all, we have less visibility. But secondly, in fact, we're seeing and hearing more conservatism in that market. We saw a lot of rebuilds, a lot of redeployment of products, but we didn't see so much new equipment being built and going out in the market. And what we're hearing is that people wanted to get things redeployed, but there's not a lot of growth in equipment yet. It doesn't mean it won't come. But right now, I think the market is kind of leveling off at best, is kind of what we're hearing. There's other people that may be closer to be able to give you more data, but that's what we're hearing.

  • Richard J. Freeland - President, COO & Director

  • Mining's about 5 to 6x the size of our oil and gas business even on current depressed levels.

  • Cleveland Dodge Rueckert - Associate Director and Associate Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful. And then, I guess, just bigger picture going over this in discussion that's been ongoing recently, can you give us a sense of the relative content or profitability in electric bus versus a diesel bus?

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes, I've actually heard that question a fair number of times, too. We will, by the way, be talking about our Analyst Day a lot more about our electrification efforts, including kind of what parts we intend to participate in. But clearly, it's because we don't know yet. I mean, there's essentially none sold, and those that are sold are 1s and 2s and they're prototypes. So we don't really know what the profitability is going to be like, but let me just say 2 or 3 words about how we're thinking about it. We believe that the segments in the market that we serve, some will find electrified power trains to be advantageous in the next 5 or 10 years. Some will not. And so we don't think that all the markets are going to move. We think they're going to move in phases, and some will move relatively soon to at least try some, and bus is what you mentioned is one of the areas that we'll see some activity in buses relatively soon. And that we intend to provide a fully electrified power train as well as hybrid-arranged extended power trains. We also intend to electrify some of the auxiliaries on our diesel engines and natural gas engines. So we will be active in the market, and we will approach the problem in the same way that we've approached other power solutions problems. We will look from the customers' lens, try to figure out what their application is and figure out what the best technology to serve them is. In order to ensure profitability in those efforts, we'll make sure that we have a leading position, which means our technology provides customers with monetary advantage. So they get fuel economy benefits. They get cost reductions. They get other things that value to them because that's how we maintain profitability. I don't think one technology is necessarily more or less profitable than the other. What creates profitability is advantage for customers and advantage versus competitors, and that's what we're going to see.

  • Operator

  • And our next question is from the line of Jerry Revich with Goldman Sachs.

  • Jerry David Revich - VP

  • I'm wondering if you could talk about the warranty guidance outlook of -- it looks like about 3% or so of sales in the back half of the year, right? I think that's well above the low 2s that you folks have targeted historically, and I'm wondering if you've identified incremental products that have product coverage costs coming up in the back half of the year? Or is this you folks getting recalibrated to the complexity issues that you mentioned? In other words, do you have discrete products where -- that are driving that higher than historical targeted spend in the back half? Or is that to provide room to execute?

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Yes, so let me start on that one, Jerry. First of all, warranty in the second half, we expect to be in the range of 2.7% of sales. We were 3.2% in the first half. So within the 2.7% for the second half. So full year somewhere around 2.9% to 3%. As Tom indicated in his remarks (inaudible), we're dealing with a lot more complexity than we ever have in the environment and conditions that these products have to perform in, and while the liability is better and the number of failures is actually lower. The cost per failure is higher. So we continue to work away at that, and we will redouble our efforts to make improvements in that, and I think you will see an improvement as we go through the second half. We're clearly disappointed with what we've seen in the second quarter, and we know that's an area that we'll have to go after and make significant improvements on.

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • It's worth saying that we are not recalibrating our target at all, Jerry. We are adding new tools to get to our target, but we still believe that we can reduce warranty costs significantly from where we are and do it in a way that improves customer performance and customer experience. So that's what we're targeting. So we haven't changed, and we still see the same kind of targets and reach that we did before because we made improvements on our prior effort. So we've kind of took away a lot of challenges and now we're facing new challenges that I think that's just part of being in a competitive industry.

  • Jerry David Revich - VP

  • Okay. And I'm wondering if you could talk about raw materials in the back half of the year. You folks have been working on reducing your materials spent through reengineering. How much of an offset is that? What magnitude of raw material inflation, pure inflation are you folks embedding in the numbers? And is it fair to assume you're using spot prices when evaluating that dynamic?

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Yes, so for the first half of the year, Jerry, we benefited by about 0.7 point in that repeatable cost reduction. It's higher than first quarter, a little below the second quarter, and we expect that trend to continue through the second half of the year, and the second half of the year is currently forecast around 0.3 point. So full year, 50 basis points improvement over last year, but on a declining trend as we see an increase in commodity costs in particular.

  • Operator

  • And our next question is from the line of Jamie Cook with Credit Suisse.

  • Jamie Lyn Cook - MD, Sector Head of United States Capital Goods Research, and Analyst

  • I guess, a couple of questions on the -- back to the implied incrementals in the back half of the year again. You did note we got the warranty, we got China, you noted higher costs associated with investing in technology. Has that changed versus your original assumptions? And can you just tell me what that headwind is as well as quantify the variable comp headwind in the back half of the year? And then my second question, actually, the implied incrementals in the Power Systems business is -- are pretty healthy in the back half of the year given that business has disappointed your comfort level there. And then my third question, Tom, obviously, on M&A, there's been a -- sorry, on M&A, there's been a lot of noise in the quarter with WABCO, with (inaudible). I'm just trying to get a sense of where you're headed on potential for larger M&A and with some of the other players in this space in play, does that make you feel like you have to be a little more aggressive on the M&A front because other things could be happening?

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Thanks, Jamie. So let me start with the last one because I think that's one that we've talked about a couple of times. So the answer is there has been some conversation with WABCO. Of course, we paid close attention to that. We have continued with the same strategy on M&A. Sorry, it may sound a little boring, but the same strategy we laid out at the Investor Conference, which is that we are going to be disciplined about ways to add value through both making sure that it drives profitable growth for the company and does so in a way where we can demonstrate returns over time. And that, of course, means that not only do we have to find how the strategy that makes 1 plus 1 equals 3. If we acquire something, it has to add up to something more than just a combination of the 2 things, and secondly, we have to be able to do it at a cost to generate returns for our shareholders. And so that's -- as you guessed, that's the challenge. Having said that, we've been working on it for some time. We have some very good prospects. We are actively working on those. We feel confident that we will be able to make positive moves in the M&A and joint venture front which will add value to the company. The size of that will depend on which of our projects succeed. So how big each one is. Frankly, we are not trying to make sure that we have a big one. We're trying to make sure that the combination of our organic growth, our joint ventures and partnerships and our acquisitions add up to profitable growth and returns to our shareholders. And so whether that's in several acquisitions and joint ventures or in 1 or 2 is really not our main focus. So it is a challenging environment. It turns out it's no easier to grow in a profitable, high-return way through acquisition than it is organically. They both take a lot of effort and serious-minded work, and that's the way we're approaching it. But let me now switch over -- Pat, I think you want to say a couple of words about incremental.

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Let me just try to answer Jamie's first question. So if I look at the Components slide in the incrementals in the second half of the year, Jamie, I think the lower joint venture incomes in China, we expect to have about 50 basis point negative impact second half to first half, higher commodity cost around 15 basis points. On the investment, the technical investment question, [around] 25 basis points higher second half versus first half. And then on the variable comp, I don't have those numbers at hand, but it's probably in the range of 1.5%, 150 basis points higher than the second half of last year. I can't give it to you versus the first half. Mark and Adam can follow up with you after that. But in the second half of last year, our variable compensation factor was declining, and so the delta, first half to first half versus second half to second half, will look worse in the second half of this year, but we can follow up after then give you some more precision on that.

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • And I think, Jamie, you asked, too, if we changed our outlook on investment in critical technologies, and there's no question that we are speeding up some of our investments in both electrification and digital accelerator, that sort of telematics effort. Yes, we talked about those earlier. We are definitely speeding up efforts, and the reason we're doing that is we're noting that in some of the shorter-distance markets, the urban markets, there is significant interest from our customers in electrified power trains. And again, not gigantic volumes this year obviously, but it's going to take us some time to get a product range out and ready, and we've heard from them and people are interested. So we are trying to make sure that our efforts are aggressive enough to make sure we meet customer demand there. So that's what's happening. It's not a huge amount, as Pat said, but it is -- increased from what we were anticipating. With regard to large -- do you want to talk about large engine market? Just -- I'll close that and then you can follow up on that. So on large engines, we are feeling pretty confident about the mining growth, as we -- as the earlier question said, oil and gas, we don't see a lot of -- we're not expecting a lot of growth in the second half, but we are seeing continued strength in mining, which gives us confidence that we'll continue to see some sales growth in the large engine markets. And incremental margins there have been good, as we mentioned. We had some issues in the second quarter that we think were one-off related, but with regard to engine growth and incremental margins we're feeling good about that.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from the line of Joe O'Dea with Vertical Research.

  • Joseph O'Dea - VP

  • First question on the North America heavy duty market share, if you could just talk about the various drivers of that in terms of seeing share come in, in the first half of the year higher than the range you've given and the degree to which some of that is mix related as we see some mix shift in the industry. Otherwise, just in terms of preference for the engines, the new engines launched recently there, but just to kind of understand some of the outperformance versus initial expectations.

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Yes, I think -- a couple of things. We've seen a lot of variations as the industries move down in build rates through the first and second half of last year. We see a lot of volatilities. I think we've settled in at more of a sustainable rate. I don't think we're seeing a mix shift in terms of engine displacement. We haven't seen significant changes there, but what you have seen, particularly we've seen one of our customers picking up share that uses -- basically our largest customers picked up share using combination of Cummins and their own actual engines, and that's really helped our position. So you've got the domestic players picking up share.

  • Joseph O'Dea - VP

  • Got it. And then on Power Gen, a competitor talking about some stabilization outside of Middle East. This is another quarter seeing some year-over-year declines. But if you could talk about what you're seeing on the order front, maybe talk about it by region or by major kind of end market activity, but just whether you've got any signs of some stabilization there, if orders are starting to look encouraging at all.

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Yes, so a little choppy in some parts, but the areas that are most troubling are the Middle East. As you said, we were down over 30% of Q2 versus a year ago, it's been very tough. Latin America, there's a lot of demand, but we still continue to face question marks about customer liquidity, and so the net sales are down there. We are seeing good growth in India. So it's been a while coming, but it's within the structure of investment, this is not just in Power Gen but in pretty much all of our Power Systems and construction markets. So India will be about 5% to 10% in Power Gen this year. U.S. is bumping along kind of the low single digits. In the second quarter, we're seeing strong demand from smaller RV customers, less demand from the military, pockets of (inaudible) spend still positive. So overall, in the U.S., it's a low single-digit positive. And then in Europe, it's kind of flattish with 1 or 2 large big projects.

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • I think it's fair to say that from Power Gen point of view, we would not yet say where the bottom is stabilizing. It could be. But we're really looking for some quarter-to-quarter stabilization infrastructure building rates and things like that around the world before we would say, okay, now we expect things to consistently get better. We -- a couple of times we thought we were at the bottom and stabilizing, and then things got a little bit worse. So I guess we'd like to see a few more quarters in the Power Gen space to say that.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from the line of Ann Duignan with JPMorgan.

  • Ann P. Duignan - MD

  • Maybe a lot of my questions have been answered, the detailed questions. Maybe we could get some thoughts from you more strategically on electric vehicles, where you think they will succeed. And then versus -- we get a lot of questions electric vehicles, autonomous, which -- where do you see the opportunities? Where do you see the threats for both? And do you think autonomous is a reality in trucking at all?

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes. Again, we'll spend a fair bit of time on this in the Analyst Day in Indianapolis. I hope you can join us for that. So given the time, I'll make my remarks brief. Let me just say that I think both autonomous vehicle, if we mean not fully autonomous but using autonomous technologies, are certainly going to be reality in the trucking market. So just as we've seen in car markets, we'll see safety systems come in very quickly, and already we're starting to see those. And those will increase and offer more opportunities for customers in places like yards and ports, in places where they want to control how vehicles move around. Those could provide significant value to customers. Over what period of time those will become economically viable and how many customers will buy, that's sort of the charge ahead, but you know just by the investments that people are making in the truck market that, that technology is moving and people are definitely going to find ways to implement that technology and to try to figure out how to add value for customers. I think the same is true on electrified power trains. What electrified power train looks like in different applications, as I mentioned earlier, remains to be seen. But it will be driven by how the customer can best operate their applications. So in places where things go out and back in relatively limited miles, carry loads that are not so heavy, then things like fully electrified or [range] electrified doesn't make sense, and especially in urban environments where they're trying to reduce noise, pollution and fueling. So those are all things that they care about, electrified powertrains can provide a solution that meets multiple objectives. And I believe that cities will be pushing for solutions like that, which will mean they will show up in those areas, and I think it'll happen in 5 years or so. We'll start to see some of those buses and pickup and delivery vehicles with electrified power trains. The question is how many and how many cities really can afford to replace that many of their fleet that now depend on a lot on a lot of different factors. But -- so I think it's coming, both of these technologies are coming, and it will be while we're still sitting here working on it. The question is, in what volume and how many applications? And a lot of that is playing out right now. As you heard from me, Cummins intends to be in the middle of those technologies, especially electrified power trains because we think we understand customer applications.

  • Ann P. Duignan - MD

  • Okay. And any lessons learned from natural gas? And we've seen new technologies come and go previously, but anything you can learn from prior...

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • It's a great question, Ann. And there's so many, but let me just put the one out there, which is that infrastructure, it takes a long time to build. So the more that your technology depends on common infrastructure or things like it, the less likely it is to occur quickly. The more the local infrastructure or customer base customer purchases can allow you to use the technology, the more likely it is to succeed, at least in the shorter time frame.

  • Operator

  • And our next question is from the line of Andy Casey with Wells Fargo Securities.

  • Andrew Millard Casey - Senior Machinery Analyst

  • Just a quick question on what you're seeing in North American truck Class 8. Are you seeing any mix shift to the heavier engines than you realized in the first half?

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Not significantly, Andy. The shares are pretty simple, a little bit stronger in the second quarter. We've seen pockets of vocational customers renewing, and they have a strong preference for that 15 liters of that. I think that's certainly helped in the first half of the year, but on the long-haul, no big shift.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from the line of Stephen Volkmann with Jefferies.

  • Stephen Edward Volkmann - Equity Analyst

  • Quick question, a couple of quick follow-ups. I'm just trying to think about sort of the cadence of a couple of these issues. Do you think the warranty expense will be lower in 2018 than it was sort of in the second half run rate of '17?

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • Yes, I think it should be. We've got a lot of work to do to kind of [torn] out 2018. But we're going to finish the second half of 2017 at 2.7% and then back to the comment Thomas earlier on (inaudible) where we've been for the last 3 or 4 years, so I would expect it to be lower than that for 2018.

  • Stephen Edward Volkmann - Equity Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And then, I would assume the incentive compensation expense would kind of go away assuming you've kind of hit whatever target you set for yourselves in '18, so that would not be a headwind either.

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Right. That's the idea. We set a plan out, which is based on what we think we can achieve, and guidance we give we set a plan out. And if we end up with that plan and it pays out of [one] and that's what we put and plan, so everything is as expected. If it's stronger, then we pay out more. And if it's weaker, we pay out less. So to your point, we reset each year, and assuming we hit the plan in 2018, then it would be 1-0. Again, the surprise here is that sales growth happen faster than we thought. Just as it surprised last year when things were lower than we thought.

  • Stephen Edward Volkmann - Equity Analyst

  • Got it. So you're basically telling me, you always want to be paying out more?

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • No, I always want to be paying out what we planned.

  • Stephen Edward Volkmann - Equity Analyst

  • All right, fair enough.

  • Patrick J. Ward - VP & CFO

  • (inaudible)

  • Stephen Edward Volkmann - Equity Analyst

  • On the flip side, I would assume that some of these investment costs, especially for technology-related things will probably ramp up in '18 versus '17?

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes. I mean -- we don't know that yet, but that's the way it's leaning. I mean, again what we're trying to do is make sure that we can deliver to customers on 2 broad new technology areas. One is to deliver much more value in telematics and other services that go along with engines and the vehicles that they operate; and secondly, to be able to make sure that we can be in the market in 2019 across at least more -- several applications in 2020 with electrified power trains and range-extended power trains. So we will need to increase investments, especially in the electrified power trains space over the course of the year. How much that is year-over-year, we'll see, but that is a reasonable expectation those costs will ramp up. And again, we're looking at how we structure that business to make sure that it looks like a long-term growth opportunity for Cummins shareholders.

  • Stephen Edward Volkmann - Equity Analyst

  • Okay. And then just one quick, sort of philosophical follow up, Tom. I guess I'm trying to get a sense of how big a deal you think the sort of alternative drivetrain market could be, because clearly there's going to be some competitors that are going to have fairly deep pockets, perhaps lower cost of capital than you and certainly don't seem in early days always to be motivated by a rate of return. Some of them even seem to be willing to set up infrastructure. Thank you for not doing that on natural gas, by the way. But anyway, I'm just curious if this is one where you kind of feel like you have to go all in? Or do you take a more measured approach kind of going forward?

  • N. Thomas Linebarger - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes, I would -- here's my view. It's not clear how big a deal it would be, and I think we've talked a little bit about some of the reasons. And again, we'll talk more in November about that. But it's clearly -- depends on how many of the customers these technologies actually give them a better deal. And right now, it's pretty clear that in some buses, it could. There's a whole bunch of other markets where it's not clear yet, especially because diesel continues to improve. Electrified trucks with diesel engines continue to improve. Light hybrids continue to improve. So there's a lot of technologies competing for the same space. And then I think you can expect from us that we will be all in, in the sense that we will lead in technology. We will not be all in, in the sense that we will not be building infrastructure. We will not be betting on one technology. We'll be betting to serve customers better than others with a range of technologies where the best one is what they need.

  • (inaudible) same return guidelines will be used for everything though, you can count on that.

  • Thanks, everybody. Patrick and I will be available for calls later.

  • Operator

  • And ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our Q&A and program for today. We hope you have a wonderful day. You may all disconnect.