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  • Operator

  • Greetings, and welcome to the Chatham Lodging Trust Fourth Quarter 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Chris Daly, President of Daly Gray Public Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

  • Chris Daly - President

  • Thank you, Darryl. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Chatham Lodging Trust Fourth Quarter 2021 Results Conference Call. Please note that many of our comments today are considered forward-looking statements as defined by federal securities laws. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, both known and unknown, as described in our most recent Form 10-K and other SEC filings. All information in this call is as of February 24, 2022, unless otherwise noted. The company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements to conform the statement to actual results or changes in the company's expectations.

  • You can find copies of our SEC filings and earnings release, which contain reconciliations to non-GAAP financial measures referenced on this call on our website at chathamlodgingtrust.com. Now to provide you with some insight in the Chatham's 2021 fourth quarter results, allow me to introduce Jeff Fisher, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; Dennis Craven, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; and Jeremy Wegner, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Let me turn the session over to Jeff Fisher. Jeff?

  • Jeffrey H. Fisher - Chairman, President & CEO

  • Thanks, Chris. Appreciate that, and I appreciate everyone who's joining us this morning for our call. It certainly was an interesting end of the year and January, as we all know.

  • The fourth quarter started off strong with October producing the second best month since the start of the pandemic. As the quarter progressed, we were hit with the onset of the Omicron variant exacerbating the impact on December, January and early February already seasonally slower months. Now as we sit here today, we've seen a dramatic rebound in travel. We've seen business travel pick up since earlier this month and this past weekend produced our best results of 2022.

  • Through February 21, RevPAR has jumped significantly from January RevPAR of $67, up $20 to $87 a whopping 30% gain, gains have been sequential each week with RevPAR of $75 for the week ended February 7, $89 for the week ended February 14, and $96 for the week ended February 21. RevPAR was over $120 this past weekend and occupancy hit 77% with 20 of our hotels achieving occupancy of over 90% on Saturday night during the holiday weekend.

  • Weekday travel also continues to rise this month and year-to-date signifying the return of the non-leisure traveler. We've been seeing improving occupancy during the week with weekday occupancies bottoming out at 46% during the week ending January 8, and we've seen growing mid-week occupancies each week of February currently at 60% midweek for this past week. We've been encouraged by the return of some tech-related group business in Silicon Valley in Bellevue, Washington, as well as smaller convention-related business in San Diego and Downtown Dallas.

  • Like we saw with the explosion of leisure travel in 2021, we believe that business travel is going to become strongly back this year. A clear signal has developed in Silicon Valley in Bellevue, Washington, as tech companies have announced the return, finally, of workers to their offices, which will bring along with that incremental business travel to the area, training and product launches. Tech companies have been a bellwether for the timing of a return to office for many other companies across the country, as we know, so this should kick-start business travel.

  • Additionally, and meaningfully we believe that tech companies are going to be hosting in-person internships this summer, which accounted for over $7 million in revenue in the summer of 2019 for us and should be a major boost to our 5 hotels in these 2 markets. As a reminder, our 2019 hotel EBITDA at these 5 hotels was approximately $35 million, and those same hotels produced a mere $5.5 million of hotel EBITDA in 2020 and only $7 million of hotel EBITDA in 2021. So it's those hotels that have really kept our numbers down as the recoveries progressed, but we are seeing a definite -- different result for 2022, we believe.

  • Chatham is emerging from the pandemic with an even stronger balance sheet, more buying capacity and an even higher quality portfolio. We minimize cash burn throughout the pandemic by generating impressive operating results, and we were the second fastest hotel REIT to become corporate cash flow positive. In 2021, we generated positive cash flow before CapEx of $12 million. And excluding principal amortization, cash flow was $20 million. Now this is something that I'm extremely proud of that since April 2020, essentially the start of the pandemic, for our portfolio, cumulative cash flow burn before cap expenditures and before principal amortization was 0. Since the start of the pandemic, we have not used any equity dollars to fund our corporate operations, I think, a pretty remarkable achievement.

  • As we look forward here, again, beyond the projected RevPAR results and business that we see coming back for this year, we're being pretty active on the asset and capital recycling front. We have and are working on a variety of things, including a sale of 3 or 4 of our hotels.

  • We don't have anything specific to announce as of this minute, but I do think that we're far enough along to generally talk about those as well as our acquisition pipeline, which I had said before, we thought this year would be more active. It's turning out, I think, to be more active.

  • We've got 1 or 2 particular hotels that were kind of winding down in terms of, I think, the ability to put them under contract. And I look forward to doing that. Again, I think, similar to the acquisitions we made in the domain at Austin last year.

  • And in terms of opening our Warner Center hotel, really exciting new earnings to be generated this year, and again, increasing the quality of our assets, our RevPAR on an absolute basis. And I think a little more diversity as well in terms of location and market. So I'm really looking forward to this year from that perspective also.

  • Oh, let me talk a little bit more about Warner Center, the Home2 Suite is opened. I spent about 4 or 5 days out there. During the opening week, it has really opened to great reviews, both from me talking to customers walking in the door as well as some of the corporate accounts that have already tried us out. The rooms are really far and away the best in the market. The amenities at the hotel are incredible, a huge fitness room, great indoor pool area and a very large indoor/outdoor bar, which for the L.A. weather should really and is already proven to be quite an attraction for the local folks and the many, many new apartment buildings that are being built all around our hotel within 1 block. So hotel occupancy there has already been over 50% on a few nights, and we basically haven't even been open a month there. ADR last week was at $186, a very strong result and $10 above the comp set, and that's in an opening stage of the hotel. Shifting back to the fourth quarter, let me highlight a few things before Dennis gets into all the details.

  • Compared to 2019, our monthly RevPAR improved each month of the fourth quarter, down 26%, 24% and 16%, respectively, before slipping back to down 36% in January, and obviously, the result of Omicron through February 21, RevPAR of $87 is down 27% compared to the first 3 weeks of 2019. Our margins remain strong and particularly impressive compared to 2019 levels when you consider absolute RevPAR levels.

  • Our fourth quarter gross operating profit margins were strong, 41% On RevPAR of $92, only down 100 basis points to 2019 when RevPAR was $26 higher at $118. December was particularly impressive with margins 330 basis points higher than 2019, even though RevPAR was $17 lower. It's too early to tell what the margin growth will be at this point but no REIT is better than us at regularly delivering these kind of results, and we fully expect that same-store margins will be higher post pandemic.

  • Now not operations related, but equally important, in early 2021, we launched our Corporate Responsibility section of our website. I encourage you to take a look at that, which included our inaugural corporate responsibility report and formalized our efforts relating to ESG. Just last month, we published a supplement to our report that included more disclosures in compliance with TCFD, SASB and GRI. It's also included our first disclosure of waste data and disclose my commitment to the pledge for the CEO action for diversity and inclusion. Chatham is fully committed to sustainability, social matters and proper corporate governance.

  • We have recently formed an ESG committee comprised of members of management and our Board of Trustees, and we fully intend to participate in GRESB and its real estate assessment in 2022. Let me just mention dividends for a second here because recently, host an Apple have announced a dividend that is something other than a nominal dividend. We've minimized equity dilution, as I said, more than most of our peers over the past 2 years, and we're confident in the ultimate recovery and the trajectory of that recovery in our portfolio. Before reinstating a dividend, though I think I'd like to see continued improvement specifically in our business travel in Silicon Valley and Bellevue because as you know, that is a very significant piece of our overall EBITDA. And we will look forward to that recovery as the year progresses.

  • We've historically targeted paying out 100% of taxable income. So when we look at any potential dividend, we'll carefully analyze our taxable income for the upcoming years while also, of course, considering use of tax deductible net operating loss carryforwards that came as a result of the pandemic. And we'll look and review our dividends on a quarterly basis with our Board.

  • Let me close by saying and reminding everyone that our relative strong performance to date and expected performance moving forward is going to be significantly enhanced in 2022 and 2023 by 3 key factors: first, tremendous upside, as I mentioned, in our tech-driven market; second, meaningful incremental new cash flow from our Austin acquisitions and the opening of our new Home2 suites at Woodland Hills together, thirdly, with recycling capital from the sales of lower-tier hotels into higher returning acquisitions. So with that, I'd like to turn it over to Dennis.

  • Dennis M. Craven - Executive VP & COO

  • Thanks, Jeff. With the onset of the Omicron variant and normal seasonality, all our key markets except Dallas saw RevPAR decline from -- sequentially from the third to the fourth quarter. Not surprising that there's generally a 30% to 40% drop off in RevPAR between October and December anyways. Dallas benefited from the return of some smaller convention and conference related events.

  • Silicon Valley, our largest market, which comprised almost 25% of our EBITDA in 2019 remains the laggard with RevPAR of $74 in the quarter. Occupancy was 61%, which is up 40% over 2020 and ADR was $121, up 15%, indicative of market with limited demand growth. As Jeff spoke, things are starting to look up this month, and those 4 hotels are going to provide substantial growth for us in 2022. As a reminder, it was about 25% of our hotel EBITDA in 2019. In 2021, those 4 hotels comprised only 9% of our hotel EBITDA this past year.

  • Our coastal Northeastern hotels and our suburban New York hotels continue to produce solid results in spite of obviously seasonality in November and December with cooler weather. Our 5 highest hotels with absolute RevPAR in the quarter where our Residence Inn Fort Lauderdale on the Intercoastal Waterway with RevPAR over $200 on occupancy of 84%, followed by our Residence Inns and White Plains in New Rochelle, New York, again, the suburban New York hotels. And then our Residence Inn Anaheim and the Hilton Garden Inn Marina del Rey with Southern California showing some pretty strong performance, as Jeff talked about, even at our newly opened Woodland Hills Home2, it's showing good quick ramp-up results.

  • Our top 6 absolute occupancy hotels in the quarter were Residence Inn New Rochelle, New York; our Residence Inn Lauderdale; our Residence Inn White Plains, followed by our Homewood Suites in Maitland. And the reason why I added a sixth hotel is we actually had 2 of our hotels in Silicon Valley at our San Mateo and Mountain View hotels actually coming in our top 6 hotels in terms of total occupancy. So again, an encouraging sign of some business travel or nonleisure travel in those Silicon Valley markets.

  • Our portfolio did significantly better than the industry with fourth quarter occupancy of 65% compared to industry-wide occupancy of 58%, and our weekend occupancy was 71% during the quarter. As Jeff mentioned, the business travelers are turning before the Omicron variant hit the U.S. and yet again in February, we are now seeing the business travelers start to return. Weekday occupancy, which more correlates to the business traveler, reached 69% in October, higher than our overall third quarter weekday occupancy of 68%, so showing some growth. And then before easing the 63% in November, 57% in December and further to 49% in January. Encouragingly, as we've seen weekday occupancy increase, which is now stands at 56% in February, including just a bit over 60% this past week.

  • Although our length of stay has clicked down a little bit in the quarter, we continue to see an average length of stay much longer than our historical levels. At our Residence Inn hotels, our average length of stay was 3 nights, still well above the 2.4 nights pre-pandemic. And then for our Homewood Suites hotels, our average length of stay was 3.3 nights, again, pretty meaningfully above our pre-pandemic average of 2.7 nights.

  • For the quarter, total revenue of $57 million was almost double last year's revenue of $29 million. We were able to generate incremental GOP of $16.3 million for flow-through of almost 60% on that incremental revenue. A great result given the ramp-up in operations to October as it was our second best month of the pandemic and then quickly pivoting to a lower operating model caused by the onset of Omicron.

  • We generated positive GOP and hotel EBITDA each month during 2021. At the corporate level, we generated adjusted EBITDA of $15.2 million versus essentially nothing last year, and we generated FFO per share of $0.12, which is up $0.30 over the same quarter last year when we had an FFO loss per share of $0.18.

  • During the fourth quarter, 41 hotels generated positive hotel EBITDA, not GOP, again, positive hotel EBITDA. Our top 5 producers of GOP in the fourth quarter were our Residence Inn San Diego Gaslamp, our Residence Inn Anaheim, which is the first time since the first quarter of 2021 for it to be in our top 5. Our Hyatt Place Pittsburgh, which is the first time it's made the list, which was sparked by really strong weekends around stealer games, followed by the Steady Eddie Residence Inns in New Rochelle in White Plains, New York.

  • As a point of reference, our newly acquired Residence Inn Austin would have placed 10 on the list and the recently acquired TownePlace Suites in Austin would have been in our top 20 of producers. On a per occupied room basis, at our 40 comparable hotels, payroll and benefit costs were approximately $32, which is down from $33 in the 2020 fourth quarter and 14% below fourth quarter 2019 per-occupied room cost of 37%. In the second quarter of this past year, we reinstituted complimentary breakfast in most of our hotels where it's offered to guests. Comp breakfast costs were $0.9 million in the quarter, which is up about $0.5 million over the same quarter last year, but down approximately $400,000 compared to the 2019 fourth quarter.

  • As we've talked about before, the brands proposed new standards that reduced some of the offerings and should lead to same-store savings. And so far, that seems to be the case on a per occupied room basis. Breakfast costs were $2.47 in the 2021 fourth quarter, which compares to $2.99 in the 2019 fourth quarter, a significant decrease of approximately 17%.

  • On the CapEx front, we finished 2021 with CapEx spending slightly over our budget of $6.5 million. And as we look ahead to 2022, our CapEx budget is $23.5 million, which includes $17.5 million of renovation costs at 5 hotels. And then we also have our remaining $6 million budgeted, which includes almost $1 million related to associate alert devices and another $1 million related to brand initiatives for signing -- signage and bedding. With the hopeful end of the pandemic, we are looking forward to seeing most of you in person this year, whether that be at a conference or in connection with direct investor meetings. Jeremy?

  • Jeremy Bruce Wegner - Senior VP & CFO

  • Thanks, Dennis. Good morning, everyone. Chatham's Q4 2021 RevPAR of $92 represents a 93% increase versus our Q4 2020 RevPAR of $48 and a 22.7% decline versus our Q4 2019 RevPAR of $119.

  • The Q4 decline of 22.7% versus 2019 showed continued sequential improvement relative to Q2 2021, which is down 39% from 2019, and Q3, which was down 26% from 2019. While the positive trends reversed a little in January, RevPAR of $67 was down 36% to 2019 in early February due to the Omicron variant. We expect performance to continue recovering with decreasing RevPAR declines relative to 2019 throughout the remainder of 2022. Through our significant efforts to contain costs, we were able to generate a Q4 GOP margin of 41.1%. The 41.1% margin achieved in Q4 at a RevPAR of $92 was only 100 basis points lower than our Q4 2019 GOP margin of 42.1%, which was achieved at a RevPAR of $119. Our Q4 2021 hotel EBITDA was $17.6 million, adjusted EBITDA was $15.2 million. Adjusted FFO was $0.12 per share and cash flow before capital, which represents hotel EBITDA less corporate G&A, cash interest and $2.2 million of principal amortization was positive $5.1 million.

  • I think it's worth noting that these solid results were achieved even with a somewhat limited amount of business travel in Q4. As Jeff mentioned, some of our largest and most profitable hotels before the start of the pandemic, like the 4 Residence Inns in Silicon Valley and the Residence Inn Bellevue are very dependent on business travel and have seen the least amount of recovery of all our hotels to date. When business travel starts to recover in a more meaningful way, our portfolio should experience significant upside from its current level. Based on feedback from our management company's conversations with key corporate accounts and advanced bookings for Q2 '22 at some of our business transient focused properties, we are optimistic that business travel will start increasing in a meaningful way in 2022.

  • We have taken a number of steps to strengthen Chatham's balance sheet in nondilutive ways during the pandemic, and the balance sheet is now in the best shape it's ever been. Between March 31, 2020 and December 31, 2021, we reduced our net debt balance by $250 million, which represents a 32% reduction despite spending $40.9 million on our Home2 Warner Center development over this period and spending $71 million to acquire the Residence Inn in TownePlace Suites Austin.

  • At December 31, we had $199 million of liquidity between our unrestricted cash balance of $19 million and $180 million of revolving credit facility availability. In Q4, we exercised an option to extend the maturity of our revolving credit facility to 2023 and obtained additional options to further extend the maturity of the facility to 2024.

  • With our reasonable leverage, solid liquidity and meaningful free cash flow, we are well positioned to opportunistically pursue attractive investments. In addition to coming out of the pandemic with a better balance sheet than we had going in, we're also going to be exiting the pandemic with a better hotel portfolio than we had going in.

  • The Q3 2021 acquisitions of the Residence Inn and TownePlace Suites Austin and recently opened Home2 at Warner Center will meaningfully enhance Chatham's growth and the quality of our portfolio by adding 3 newly constructed high RevPAR hotels in markets that have very strong demand growth.

  • We plan to continue enhancing the quality of our portfolio by acquiring new high-quality hotels in markets with strong growth and recycling capital in cases where we believe sale prices are attractive relative to future growth prospects.

  • We are very optimistic about the future, given the potential for significant improvements in operating performance as business travel begins to recover in a more meaningful way. The growth we expect from the Austin acquisition and Warner Center development and our ability to pursue additional growth opportunities given our strong balance sheet and significant liquidity.

  • While we're not going to provide guidance at this time, for those of you building your own projections, I want to remind you that during the construction of the Home2 Warner Center, we've been capitalizing interest associated with the $70 million development. And after it opened on January 24, 2022, we began recognizing this interest expense. Factoring in the opening of the Home2 Warner Center, we expect interest expense, excluding amortization of financing costs to be approximately $6.3 million in Q1 and $27 million for the full year.

  • This concludes my portion of the call. Operator, please open the line for questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first questions come from the line of Aryeh Klein with BMO Capital Markets.

  • Aryeh Klein - Analyst

  • The signs of recovery in Silicon Valley are pretty encouraging. Curious to say you think about the trajectory of the recovery there relative to San Francisco, which has also lagged and certainly has some longer-term question marks. Can Silicon Valley and San Francisco run on kind of independent track for the recovery?

  • Jeffrey H. Fisher - Chairman, President & CEO

  • They really are. This is Jeff. I mean we've always said it's really different demand generators. Obviously, a lot of convention business related in San Francisco. Silicon Valley is very much dependent on its specific Facebook, Apple, those kind of customers, Google, obviously. And what they're doing relative to travel and having their office open or not open, which are all pretty much spitting distance from our hotels, depending upon which one you're talking about there. So that's really the driver. I wouldn't draw any specific correlation, I guess, for whatever else you're looking at.

  • Aryeh Klein - Analyst

  • Got it. And then maybe turning to some of the assets, acquisitions and dispositions you kind of highlighted. Any more specifics as far as the markets maybe where you're looking to potentially sell and buy? And what kind of pricing kind of looks like in those markets?

  • Jeffrey H. Fisher - Chairman, President & CEO

  • We're really trying to focus on looking at older hotels that really are on the bottom end of the absolute RevPAR as you look at the hotels that we own and also considering CapEx needs in those hotels. So as we move forward, we're just trying to really maximize our cash flow here as the recovery continues. So combining, I think, all those factors, it's really somewhat less market-driven, I think I'm going to say. For example, you might see us sell an older hotel in Dallas. But we love Dallas. And we would buy something in the same day in Dallas, depending upon, obviously, brand and price, et cetera. But -- so I think it's more oriented towards the age of the asset and where it really sits in the food chain here.

  • Aryeh Klein - Analyst

  • Okay. And then just maybe on labor. Are you where you want to be from an employee standpoint, the number of employees you have? And what are you anticipating in 2022 from a wage growth standpoint?

  • Dennis M. Craven - Executive VP & COO

  • Aryeh, this is Dennis. Yes, I mean, as we sit here today, we're pretty -- we're in a good position from a labor perspective. Honestly, it's lower seasonal months anyway. So normally, we're trending down in terms of our absolute labor count at this point of the year anyway. And then we'll start to ramp up to the summer. So I think we certainly saw that alleviate as we got into the fall last year, we were pretty happy even though our absolute employee count was still down kind of 30% to 35% if you looked at kind of our September and October levels. So we don't foresee any problems at the moment, filling any labor -- major labor needs as we head to the more busier months coming up here as we get through the spring.

  • And I think from a labor cost perspective, I think we're -- we had a pretty big increase in 2021 on wage per hour. And I think as we look kind of to 2022, we're kind of a mid-single-digit increase for our average labor cost. So we still project that to be higher than what might been historical, but still kind of middle single digit because we did absorb a lot of that last year.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our next questions come from the line of Tyler Batory with Janney.

  • Jonathan David Jenkins - Associate

  • This is Jonathan on for Tyler. First one from me, I wanted to follow up on the labor cost discussion. I was wondering if you could provide some color on what drove those GOP margins in December. And I wanted to parse out a little bit in terms of the key drivers of the cost savings going forward. I mean is that all driven by presumed labor savings? Or is there something else in there?

  • Dennis M. Craven - Executive VP & COO

  • It's most -- Jon, it's mostly labor savings. I mean we'll have a few things here and there that might change one month to the next, but it's predominantly labor.

  • Jonathan David Jenkins - Associate

  • Okay. Great. And then switching gears a little bit. I guess, how much of that lower rated early pandemic government responder, first responder type business remains in the portfolio? And what's the possibility that as we look out in the later 2022, we see that rerate into higher business?

  • Dennis M. Craven - Executive VP & COO

  • Yes. I mean we really don't have a whole lot of first responder business. We still do have some traveling nurses, especially in a few markets that are more of our urban markets, whether that's suburban New York, specifically for one of them. And we've seen some of that in Southern California as well. But I think our -- and a reason why we were able to pivot pretty quickly in the early days of the pandemic and throughout the pandemic, was because of our predominantly extended stay rooms and select service rooms, we were able to get demand from the people who are traveling at the time, but also as the business traveler starts to recover.

  • For example, in Silicon Valley, we do have a hotel that has a good number of still traveling nurses that we would look to eventually shift out of that as we move towards later in the spring, especially for some of this intern business and Apple-related business and essentially reduce that room count down to pretty much nothing in transition to the higher-rated customers. So we have nothing on the books from a long-term obligation committed perspective that would not allow us to make that shift, which I think is important.

  • Jonathan David Jenkins - Associate

  • Okay. Great. I appreciate all the detail there. And then last one for me, if I could. Jeff, I believe you mentioned in 2022 looking into different mixes and geographies for the acquisitions. And I'm curious, as you look out longer term, maybe 3, 4, 5 years, is there any way you'd more broadly think about reshaping or retooling the portfolio, whether that's geographic exposure or more or less extended stay? Any thoughts on that?

  • Jeffrey H. Fisher - Chairman, President & CEO

  • Well, we've said on a couple of different conference calls we want to be about 80% extended stay. So that's a primary driver and goal for us. But to be opportunistic, in this kind of acquisition environment, our focus is to remain in the kind of markets that we already own in. But we want a diversified demand generator base. And we do -- over time, I think we end up with less of our EBITDA on a percentage basis in Silicon Valley only because we most likely will grow outside of Silicon Valley. Some of those markets are the obvious Sunbelt markets that it seems like everybody wants to be in, but we've always been just attracted by demand generator growth and where that's occurring in the country, and I think we've been pretty good in matching up our acquisitions with pretty vibrant sources of business. And I think we'll just continue to focus along those lines.

  • Operator

  • Our next questions come from the line of Anthony Powell with Barclays.

  • Anthony Franklin Powell - Research Analyst

  • Just one for me. I guess any early learnings or observations from Home2 in L.A.? How has it gone so far? Any surprises in terms of demand or cost structure there would be super helpful.

  • Jeffrey H. Fisher - Chairman, President & CEO

  • No, I think that honestly -- Anthony, it's Jeff. I mean, Dennis or Jeremy might want to chime in after, but I will tell you that it's absolutely according to pro forma and both on the revenue side and the expense side. We've been very lucky, I think, in having enough bench talent particularly to staff that hotel in the most important positions and staff it early on. Unfortunately, we would delay it a little bit in getting it open only primarily from the wonderful folks in Los Angeles, and their never ending request for other things to be added vis-a-vis the inspection process, but that's my minor political comment for the day. Beyond that, operationally, it does feel good. And our folks there are really encouraged by what they're hearing from our guests as well.

  • Anthony Franklin Powell - Research Analyst

  • Got it. And maybe, I guess, based on that, I know you want to buy more stabilized hotels, but is the more development kind of an option for you in the coming years, given the experience there?

  • Jeffrey H. Fisher - Chairman, President & CEO

  • Yes, I think so. We've talked about always specifically some extra land that we've got in Portland, Maine, but we really have -- and we have another piece of land on our balance sheet. But I think that we're encouraged particularly just as I said in a prior response to what would you sell.

  • I mean, having brand-new or hotels that are 5 years old or less is a pretty attractive place to be in the upscale extended stay business and generally select service business. Hotels fare well. We know how to open them. We know how to preopen them on the island side. So we're not going kind of whole hog into the development business.

  • But certainly, I think adding 2 or 3 hotels that way over the next 2 or 3 years is something we look forward to do.

  • Operator

  • There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Jeff Fisher for any closing comments.

  • Jeffrey H. Fisher - Chairman, President & CEO

  • Well, I appreciate everybody being on the call today. Obviously, there's a lot of other news that can preoccupy us. But we look forward to working well beyond those kind of current events and frankly, continuing to do the good things we talked about on the call today. Hopefully, the rest of the environment, particularly on the virus front, will be favorable for all of us, and we look forward to talking to you next time. Thanks.

  • Operator

  • This does conclude today's teleconference. We appreciate your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Enjoy the rest of your day.