CoreCard Corp (CCRD) 2018 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Lance, and I will be your operator for today's conference. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the earnings release and investors conference call. (Operator Instructions)

I would like to turn the call over to Leland Strange. You may begin your conference.

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us on the Intelligent Systems Third Quarter Earnings Call. I'm going to assume that you've read the press release and maybe even perhaps the 10-Ks that we filed this morning.

As usual for my calls, I'll only repeat a little of this information as you can read it for yourself. What I'd say today is actually non-scripted. Although, I do have bullet points. So hopefully, I won't leave out some important information without the proper comment or color.

With me in the conference room and on this call today is Karen Reynolds, the CFO of Intelligent Systems; and Matt White, who has recently joined as Vice President of Finance of CoreCard software, which, of course, is our main business.

I'm going to call on them to assist or to help answer any of your questions after I conclude my remarks and hope they'll correct any misstatements I might make as I try to talk with you in the conversation as if you were here with us in the conference room.

So let's start with some financial facts that are in the press release. Our third quarter delivered an operating profit of a little over $1.7 million. I tend to concentrate on the operating profit line as it is really the only thing that can be managed. I'm not saying that the other items below the line are not important because ultimately, they're included in the earnings per share calculation and, of course, that's important to all of us. But things below the line mainly affect cash and treasury functions, not operations. So the operating profits came in about $1.7 million compared to the second quarter, I'm talking about the previous quarter, not last year, of a little over $1.3 million. So quarter-to-quarter meaning in the same year, we were up.

I guess, I could talk about a comparison of the same quarter last year and call attention to it being up whatever percent. But if I did that, you can rightly conclude I did not mean what I said later in the press release and have consistently stated and that the company is managed on a year-on-year basis and not quarterly. I want to see what's going out in successive quarters not necessarily compared to last year. And then I want to see what those are for the full year to year.

If you want to focus on revenue, and I know that many like revenue growth their key metric, although, we look for the balance of revenue and operating results, our revenue for the quarter was a little over $5 million, $5.4 million to be exact and the 9 months' revenue is little over $14 million. You can compare that with our 9 months' revenue last year of $6.6 million, so it has more than doubled. But please don't make the assumption that it will be our run rate because I seriously doubt our first 9 months of 2019 will be doubled this year's first 9 months.

Now I guess, before I offer my view of the year, again, reminding that I prefer to look year-to-year rather quarter-to-quarter. I better provide the usual caveats that when I say I believe or expect that our fourth quarter will have several operating profits than the third quarter plus or minus a few percent, and our 2019 year should have a revenues of between $19 million and $20 million, remind you that these are forward-looking statements within the meanings of the federal security laws. Now what does that mean? It means that everything I or the team says that is not historical fact is simply speculation. We're going to speculate on what we truly think as of the moment we say it, we might not have a good basis for what we think. But obviously, we would not say it if we did not think we did. We may expect, project, believe, plan, intend or use in any number of similar words in the call, but it may or may not be so or it may or may not come to pass. So everything I say does not actual historical or current fact should be deemed a forward-looking statement. I could learn something tomorrow or even later today that could cause me to believe something different, and we don't plan to continue updating those forward-looking statements even if they become obsolete. I guess, there are couple of other caveats that always hang over the head of our growing financial technology company. The first is about the technology. It could be working well at any moment in time, but when you use it in a different way or with additional stresses, it could be found to be inadequate in certain situations and require time for solving the problem. And I guess, the second and worse caveat would be a possible outside breach of the system. And I just mention these because we are in the fintech business. We know of no existing problems but you only know what you know and it is a risk in the fintech world. So everything I say is qualified by these previous comments and I hope our corporate lawyers are happy with the way I presented those.

As I said before going to the caveats, I believe our 2018 revenues will end up between $19 million and $20 million. I'll go further with a forward-looking statement and say that I have reasons to believe that the 2019 year can be substantially better of both revenues and operating profits if we get the license revenue we're anticipating. Now I'm not going you give any further guidance at this point, but this is what I know and this is what I believe at this point.

Let's go to the second component of the press release and then I'll come back to discuss the business internals that are driving the revenues and profits. We announced that the directors have approved the company spending up to $5 million for a stock buyback. That decision was driven primarily by the fact that the company has cash or cash equivalents almost equal to our revenues. And our return on the cash is pretty low -- pretty small given the current interest environment. So what do we do? It can be used for an acquisition but we tend to find the type of companies that are interest to us are generally overpriced at least in our view. We want earnings and not just revenues, and earnings need to be priced no higher than the market is pricing our earnings to not be dilutive. I guess, let me backtrack on that comment a little and say that it's a current position that could change. I'm not saying an acquisition has to be immediately accretive or strategic but projected earnings within a few years have to adjust by the investment. And we've looked and have knocked down many candidates that meet that criteria. We're not going to be -- we're going to stay the same conservative company we've been for a long time but we're not going to be chasing things just to show that we can acquire something and boost our revenue.

We also believe we have the ability through either cash, stock or financing to absorb or engage with a larger entity. I guess, that sort of begs the question what we would be interested in? Well, obviously, something that does maybe smaller or does something similar of what we do but primarily is probably going to be program management kind of companies. That would be a consumer of our software. Folks who are either smaller processors who are then have program managers or direct program managers that would use our software. These are the kind of companies that would be interested in. If we don't find someone, we could develop this ourselves that, of course, that would use some cash and that also would impact short-term earnings So I would say that's not our current plan but it's not out of the question.

So I've taken a long time to get to the bottom line of following the board decided to use some cash to buy back stock and it's really simple. It's a better use of cash than the returns we're getting in money markets. And we believe we have sufficient cushion for our operations, along with other available resources to continue down the path that we're on.

I think I'd be remiss if I did not mention smaller cash back that you'll probably question or at least that you're thinking about when we talk about a stock buyback. We do understand the difficulty of purchasing stock in the open market and of course, we're not limited to that. As our average volume is pretty low in some days, we just have to see how successful we are given the restrictions surrounding a company purchasing their own stock. And for those of you who are not familiar with the safe harbor guidance, the company can only buy in the market at the last transaction price, that's commonly called the zero tip plus -- zero plus tick requirement or at the last independent bid. So there are other safe harbor restrictions but this one is the one that'd be most limiting. But we have determined that for now that this is a good use of up to $5 million of our cash.

So how about the business? It's obviously robust as the financials disclose. And I'll provide a little bit more on our customer correction but let's say -- let me say in a discussion with the micro-cap analyst for an institution investor last week, he grew frustrated, I think, at my attempt to really describe the business. After 30 minutes or so of discussion and questions, he said, "Look, just tell me at a high level what you do so I can write it up in one paragraph. And why customers choose you? Explain why it's sustainable? And give me the facts on recurring revenue?" Actually, I thought that sounded good for an outline for an annual letter but let me take a stab at some of that here.

For those of you and I know we have some new folks that are joining us here. For those of you that are not familiar with us, CoreCard has developed a parameter-driven, real-time financial transaction process and software that's very flexible and easily customizable into a variety of products.

In simple terms, it maintains the relationships between an account. An account can be a person, a company, a vehicle or any number of things and with a currency. And the currency can be dollar, rewards, gallons of gasoline or any number of things. So that software is generally productized most often around what's commonly called a card management system or an account management system that provides account personalization and life cycle management of a credit account. It is a robust financial transaction engine that can be used many ways and for many purposes. And it can have a very complex programs, which are sometimes called schemes and complex terms. Ways to have credits that are not even been dreamed up, or some people say dreamt up, can be parameterized on the system. So it -- again, we take this robust, real-time financial transaction processing software and productize it.

A majority of our revenue that was generated this quarter and also this year came from customers who have licensed our issuer processors system that we call CoreISSUE. So that's a product, an issuer processor system. It's a software system that a bank or a program manager of a bank uses to issue a prepaid or credit card to a consumer or to a business. CoreCard software has a complete process starting from embossing, which means ordering the plastic card if it's not virtual, keeping all the rules that surround the use of the card, authorizing or declining transactions real-time, strengthening of the customer accounts, which may include calculating interest and rewards. The accounts or cards could be debit, credit, prepaid, gift, virtual. They could be revolving credit, plain charge or could be installment. The software then does the reporting and settlement with the networks for the issuing banks and the program manager. So most specifically, for this quarter, about 65% of our revenue came from servicing our licensed customers and not from new licenses or upgrade license.

Upgrade license revenue means a customer purchased the right to use a software for more accounts. That usually means their business is growing. So you can get a sense from that of how inextricably linked we are to our customers' growth and success.

What do they pay us for in addition to licensing grants for us in years? Remember I said, 65% of our revenue came from servicing licensing customers, but I said, we had no new licenses or even upgrade licenses during the quarter. Well, there are 3 things they pay us for.

First, maintenance and support. Yes, this is recurring and goes on for as long as they are in business and they use our software. The second thing they pay for us is professional services. We call these PSAs, which stands for professional service agreements. There are no long-term contracts in this. This revenue is usually higher initially for a licensing customer and a large part of our current revenue, talking about this quarter and even in the last couple of quarters, is coming from a newly licensed customer. This is likely to go down from the new customer but the revenue is likely to be replaced by another customer. So virtually, all licensed customers end up utilizing our resources for customizing or helping them to solve their needs or their customer needs. Remember, our customers are using processing for their customers. And after a year or so, a pattern gets established and we can usually budget the amount as regularly or recurring revenue so we -- because we come to know what they're going to need on an ongoing basis. So all the recurring revenue that comes from a license customer comes from the utilization of our personnel. It's nicely profitable but because we invested in the workforce and have highly skilled resources that know the financial technology business as well as know our software.

We expect to actually record some revenue in the fourth quarter for the use of the software. In other words, license revenue that does not have any significant expense against it. And if our customers do what their plans project they will do, we should get another license revenue pop, another -- again, that pop is not a good accounting term but we should get another license revenue pop in the first or second quarter.

Issuer software is also used to manage loans, either those that are sourced through the network and that's Visa, MasterCard, Discover, et cetera, or what is called closed loop, meaning private labels. And we have licensed customers using it strictly for loans, I would say complex loans or with complex terms, and we also have our integrated collection package that goes along with it. So several third-party prepaid processors have licensed our software to offer processing to third parties. So it's not just credit, I guess, don't get me started because I could talk about using it for debit, stock trading, insurance or a myriad of other ways. And you can see why and how I got the micro-cap analyst confused when I'm trying to really explain what all it can do. But that's the issuer software that's used for licensing. Now I'm going to break the business up now to the next part and talk about how we get in it.

The other main leg of the business is hosting processing, using the same kind of products I just described. This would be what is traditionally called, processing similar to what PaySys and First Data provide for their issuing business. And don't get us confused with their acquiring business because they have acquiring businesses also, and that is merchant acquiring. First Data is heavy in this and pushes them all for a merchant point of sale terminals. Remember, we work from the issuing bank side. The one who provides the credit or card or loan or checking or prepaid account, not form the merchant acquiring side that accepts the card for purchase. The merchant sends the request for authorization to the issuing side and our software takes care of that. As an aside, we could do the acquiring also with our software, the way it's architected but it's not really our current strength. So we're not pursuing that.

So processing is recurring revenue in the traditional sense and processing customers made up about 33% of our revenue. And when I said made it up that also included some professional service revenue, along with the actual per transaction revenue that we get from processing. Also, there's actually some passive ghost or phantom revenue in this. And by the way, those are not accounting terms either. But in that revenue guidance requires us to include pass-through and interchange fees in our revenue. So I'm guessing that of our, let's say, $19 million to $20 million in revenue this year maybe as much as a $1 million will be of this type that were required to keep up in -- at the top line as revenues.

So that's the 2 sides of the business, licensing and as I said, that represented 64% of the revenue for the fourth quarter and processing, which represented about 33% in the third quarter.

And I guess, that still leaves 2 things that are unexplained from that earlier mentioned call with the micro-cap analyst. And that is why do customers choose us. Well, you got to ask your customers to say why they choose us and asking them generally, they say, it's the overall power and flexibility of the software. There is no one thing or one feature. And then, secondly, our team is very, very good and impressive. And then third comes up, we can move fast. So that typically is what customers tell me as to why they ended up choosing us. Again, the power of the software -- power and flexibility, the team that know what they're doing, both in terms of the business as well as the software, and finally, the speed at which we can move.

And then, last question, they asked was, is it sustainable? I think I can say about that is that I think so. And I believe that we can continue to grow for a very long time. Can't prove it, but the future looks bright. So I think I'm going to stop from there given that I've done the 20 minutes I usually talk and open it up for questions. Operator, if you can see if anybody has any questions.

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of [Abe Fisher].

Why now? Why are you suddenly growing now?

You know you've got -- we ended up with, one, a very large customer that helps. We wouldn't be -- we would be growing without that large customer, but the significant growth took place because we ended up with a large customer. I think if you read the Q, you will find when we talk about of what percentage of our revenue, it was pretty high for the quarter.

You've been at this for a long time. And it's as if you're now the outsourced arm to a lending organization as their card issuer processing system.

What's your question?

Well, it's -- it just seems like you are now their outsourced service arm in their card issuer processing system. It's quite amazing.

No. We've licensed them our software to be a processor. We license them in our software so they can become a processor.

Your next question comes from the line of Sam Rebotsky.

Leland, the presentation was unbelievable. Your explanation, if anybody didn't understand what you're doing, they clearly having listened to you, should understand now. And the -- you've indicated in the Q this new customer that you got in October of 2018. Do you have more than one new launch customer, the size of your customers that you would consider now?

Well, I'm going to say, one has been very large. And we have other large customers standing in the wings. In fact, we've had to postpone some work for some other folks in order to satisfy the requirements for this particular large customer. And some of them are real happy right now. But you know that I've said several times that when I -- that I suspect revenue will go down from the largest customer but it will be replaced by someone else, that's because we do have other people are lined up, which is what gives me a lot of confidence on our next year. And there is really no reason that shouldn't continue over time.

As for a lot of companies, you have to kind of get through certain levels to get the confidence up, the next level sized customer. And we have been slowly doing that and frankly, it was an intentional plan. We normally -- you've heard me say, we normally would not take on a customer that we felt was too big because we wanted to do this brick-by-brick, step-by-step and there was presented to us opportunity that we had to do a lot of soul searching to determine whether we would be able to successfully implement for this customer given their demands. And we did that and we decided that we could it and we're doing it. We're executing well. But -- so I guess, to answer to your question. Yes, there is one that's been fairly dominant but there's others to that are -- they're big companies. And they can be big customers.

And also it seemed very positive that you acquired -- that Matt White has joined you with CoreCard to sort of handle this further and expand this operation. Could you sort of indicate what his background was prior to joining CoreCard, Intelligent Systems?

Yes, yes. I can. I don't have his resume in front of me but the key components is that, he was with Deloitte, right, for about 6 years. So in their audit practice and so has a lot of experience with a variety size companies there. He has worked with Humana. He has most recently worked with Equifax for a good number of years. Both with the SEC and in the accounting side. So we certainly need to again, given the growth, we need to continue to do things here on the accounting and financial product.

Okay. And then your stock has been strong even though it backed off. Is there any thoughts people come to you to tell your story more? You sort of explained it very well in your 20 minutes. But do you have any time or any thoughts of getting more exposure to the investment community?

We're not going to actively shake to do that in the next 2, 3 months. And again, you have been up a shareholder for good while and I always say let your numbers do your talking rather than just talk. So we want to get our year behind us and maybe even show a good first quarter and then maybe we will do that. But perhaps, those that just find us should be the lucky ones rather than the ones we go out to find. Stock price is, for us, it's just something that happens in the industry. We're just going to run around the business and run it right. And everything else takes care of itself.

(Operator Instructions) There are no question at the moment. Presenters, please continue.

All right. Well, I just thank you for taking the time to join the call. I'll remind you to read the K that we filed this morning to learn more about risk and get more information about us, and also that our website or should include a transcript of this call by tomorrow. So again, thanks, everyone, and have a good day.

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