Bentley Systems Inc (BSY) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning and thank you for joining Bentley Systems Q3 2025 results. I'm Eric Boyer, Bentley's investor relations officer. On the webcast today, we have Bentley Systems executive Chair, Greg Bentley, Chief Executive Officer Nicholas Cummins, and Chief Financial Officer Verner Andre. This webcast includes forward-looking statements made as of November 5, 2025 regarding the future results of operations and financial position, business strategy and plans, and objectives for future operations of Bentley Systems Incorporated. All such statements made in or contained during this webcast, other than statements of historical fact or forward-looking statements. This webcast will be available for replay on Bentley Systems investor relations website at investors.bentley.com on November 5, 2025. After a presentation, we will conclude with Q&A. With that, let me introduce the executive chair of Bentley Systems, Greg.

Bentley. Good morning, as the case may be, and thanks for your interest and attention.

I'm pleased to say that all quantitative metrics for 25 Q3 are quite in accord with our expected progress and outlook range for the year.

But this quarter, Nicholas will highlight the significant product announcements and developments presented and observed at our year in infrastructure 2025 conference last month.

Which I think also merit your firsthand review at the links here.

Now, I always look forward to discovering through submissions for the annual going digital awards, the unanticipated ways by which our users are ever creatively applying software and cloud services.

This year I was pleasantly surprised by the plurality of those citing contributions from AI. So upon observing this AI forward propensity at the level of projects and users, I reviewed with interest this year's.

AEC Advisors survey of engineering firms. Participating in their annual CEO conference.

You may recall that I previously reviewed two earlier such conferences.

Where Bentley Systems helped with gauging progress and appetites in going digital.

The surveyed firms. Together perform most of the contracted infrastructure engineering outside Asia with the distribution. Of their revenues by sector weighted. Like ours in favor.

Of public works utilities and resources. And within general building corresponding to what we classify as the commercial facilities sector, the survey highlights a dramatic and interesting transition.

AEC firms are now literally engineering the infrastructure for AI as spending for construction of data centers such as the project by digital construction leader DPR which served as the example throughout our year in infrastructure keynote presentations ramps to soon overtake spending on office spaces.

AEC advisor. Shows that digital investment as an internal priority is also succeeding for engineering firms.

For the last 5 years they in aggregate have achieved continually increased profit margins at the same time as also higher growth in organic net revenues.

The latter. Perhaps limited by capacity constraints. As separately reported backlogs reached record levels.

Underscoring market robustness, this organic revenue growth is still increasing, including through 2025 estimates, and net of both. Annual US inflation in Red and in blue, US GDP growth.

AEC advisors concludes that this growth in aggregate profit margin must be attributable to improvements in direct labor productivity, as the total revenue percentage of other costs to support functions has risen continuously by almost 20%.

This is despite real estate costs having declined since pre-pandemic by 25%.

Presumably owing to virtual and hybrid working enabled by our project-wise.

And other cloud services technologies. And most significantly for us, these firms'.

Overall Technology Spending as a percentage of revenue will have increased by 40% over.

The Six years through 2025. Combined with their organic revenue growth.

Their technology spending in dollar terms increased from 2019 through 2024 at a compounded annual growth rate of 13%.

Tolerably. Coinciding with the growth rate of Bentley Systems revenues as I have reviewed in recent quarters over our five years as a public company.

I believe that we have thus effectively enabled. AEC firms to keep up with accelerating demand despite now.

Chronic engineering resource constraints by constantly improving their labor productivity through going digital. To understand changes now underway in the makeup and magnitude of AEC technology spending, this year we again. Helped AEC advisors with a supplemental AI survey.

Yielding sufficiently. Representative. Responses. In the interest of validating the prevalence of the commendable self-help AI initiatives that relatively surprised us within this year's going digital awards submissions, we focused survey questions on AI.

That these AEC firms are already implementing, not just. Testing, to support their businesses.

Excluding for this immediate purpose more widespread AI implementations for generic business purposes such as finance. HR, and legal.

About a quarter of responses report AI already being implemented around the periphery of applications such as ours to support the infrastructure engineering-oriented functions of design automation.

Construction planning, or monitoring. And or asset performance and maintenance.

Asked in what respects competitiveness would be advanced through faster AI adoption, these firms expect superior project delivery and quality, operational efficiency, and clients' experience and satisfaction, but they have the greatest regard for AI's potential enablement of innovation and new services.

To get to these benefits, the median reported level of AI implementation spending today.

Ranging from 6 to 53. Is 19 basis points of gross revenue.

That's on the order of 5% of the overall technology spending rate we just.

Reviewed, and as a frame of reference, this already. Somewhat exceeds what such firms on average are spending on all of Bentley's Systems. Offerings Most significantly for us.

These firms anticipate increasing their annual AI implementation spending over the next 3 years to a median ranging from 35 to 164 of 71 basis Points.

A multiple of almost 4 from today. If all other technology spending would just continue to grow at the same rate as over the last 5 years, this projected AI.

Increment would cause total technology spending as a percentage of revenue to grow about 50% faster than at present. But we know the resulting AI. Impact will be such.

That Rather than so extrapolate, we need to factor in the probable AI accelerated changes in infrastructure.

Engineering business. Models as innovation and new services are enabled.

This was the subject of dialogue with a diversity of thoughtful marketplace participants, including public and private sector infrastructure.

Owners, as we helped lead a separate survey and convened an in-person discussion.

In September in London that culminated in this white paper.

The impact of artificial Intelligence on the built environment.

The majority of the 140 senior opinion leaders surveyed expect the impact of AI on current business.

Models to auger. A major disruption and so are already taking steps.

To adapt or to impact to a significant extent. Interpreting the qualitative feedback as well, the knowledgeable white paper authors venture that AI will.

Finally catalyze. The long awaited tipping point.

And engineering business model mix from hours related revenue towards value price.

Data enabled services and performance. Slash outcome contracting.

To be sure, the emerging opportunities accordingly anticipated around automation, analytics, and digital twins. Bode well for Bentley Systems. Forward-looking initiatives.

But to the extent that our accounts would become incentive and through AI increasingly able to more so minimize their currently generally billable.

Engineering hours and days because they would instead be variously fixed.

In value and outcome pricing, what could be anticipated about the consumption.

Of software. And cloud services underlying our own business model.

I could describe what we currently measure as consumption.

Attended by a user and thus Charged within E 365 per day for our open applications and per quarter for Project-wise. And most term Licenses.

As our AI native plus generation of applications progressively roll out, the commercial norm for our attended consumption charging is likely to become a hybrid combination of these factors and of surcharges based on.

Computing intensity With our AI accelerating the pace of engineering productivity growth.

Attended consumption should generate commensurately higher value and hybrid monetization.

Per relatively slowing time and or frequency of attended usage.

At year in infrastructure. Nicholas previewed the commercialization of an already evident source of incremental consumption with our application engines accessed through APIs to provide essential engineering context for simulations and analytics.

Programmatically Invoked by our accounts and.

Users, AI agents by virtue of our ingrained. Platform orientation, we are very enthusiastic about working with our enterprise. Accounts To Prioritize development of many further such APIs and to arrive.

At reasonable monetization for the Burgeoning value that API.

Consumption will generate. Among potential AI enabled business model innovations, the.

Cited AI surveys show me that engineering firms and owners share our asset.

Analytics aspiration. For digital twins created and curated through AI.

To become the foundation for infrastructure inspections, operations, and maintenance.

Bentley Systems is investing resolutely to lead this charge internally and through our ongoing prioritization of capital allocation for pertinent strategic acquisitions.

With critical mass for escape velocity gathering, I believe the resulting asset consumption will become for us.

Another mainstay of subscription revenue growth.

Not only within owner operators. But also, as their digital integrators with co-innovating engineering firms.

My expectation for the Confluence of our maturing incumbent consumption model and these new and incipient consumption streams.

Is influenced by the way that these surveys and ours.

Enterprise subscription renewals show that Infrastructure.

Engineering executives are assessing against the backdrop of their engineering resource constraints.

Their current Combination of Record margins. Organic real GDP plus growth and backlogs and their auspicious opportunities in the Infrastructure AI transformed.

Future in the short and medium term, the prevailing sustainment.

Of our E365 renewals. Including for multiple outyears at negotiated.

Annual floor and ceiling escalations consistently averaging about 10%.

Reflects shared confidence. Of enterprise accounts and of Bentley systems in the continued healthy overall gradient of a changing mix evolving to everyone's benefit of attended API and asset consumption.

And now to review as usual, our robust markets and execution, including also notably strong SNB and new logo growth, and to highlight our year.

In infrastructure announcements and feedback.

Over to Nicholas Thank you.

Thank you, Greg.

A few weeks ago, infrastructure leaders from around the world gathered in Amsterdam for annual year infrastructure conference to showcase excellence in infrastructure delivery and performance through digital innovation.

Amsterdam, celebrating its 750th anniversary, is a city built on land reclaimed from the sea through generations of enduring ingenuity.

It was a fitting stage for Wire Eye and the going digital awards, where that same spirit of innovation took center stage.

Where I was also an opportunity to share progress on last year's key announcements, such as integrating Caesium and Google Geodata across our portfolio.

But today I will focus my remarks on infrastructure AI, the theme introduced by Greg.

The backdrop remains the same whether to address climate concerns, ensure energy supply, or more broadly support economic and population growth. Our world is facing unprecedented demand for better, more resilient infrastructure.

Yet lacks the engineerng capacity to deliver it.

We must make existing engineers more productive by empowering them with better tools, smarter workflows, and more connected data.

At YII, the going digital awards finalists once again showcase how Bentley's software helped them achieve meaningful productivity gains, often in the range of 15% to 25% or more.

These gains, while impressive, come from the most advanced projects and don't reflect the industry as a whole.

Scaling them across all projects will help narrow the GAAP between global demand and current capacity, but closing it requires a step change in productivity.

That step change is just beginning to take shape, and it's AI.

The AC advisor survey referenced by Greg shows large engineering firms making substantial investments in AI for design automation.

For those building their own AI agents, Bentley can support them in several critical ways.

First, we help them tap into past project designs.

Every infrastructure asset is unique but new designs shouldn't start from a blank screen.

Historically design data has been trapped in different file formats and proprietary systems.

With pending infrastructure cloud pared by ITwin, data is ingested from a wide range of file formats and mapped to our infrastructure schemas so that it can be queried, analyzed and reused, including by AI.

In this context, we announced Connect, a new financial layer to be infrastructure cloud.

Connect delivers a connected data environment for project and asset information, improving collaboration across the entire infrastructure life cycle.

From there, users can advance to product wise for designs and construction workflows and asset wise for operations and maintenance.

Connect will be generally available in December.

Next, we help firms to create their own AI agents by providing enduring context, ensuring their AI recommendations are grounded in sound engineering logic and physical principles.

Hyundai Engineering, a going digital award winner in 2023, demonstrated this by using our STAD simulation application to validate the structural integrity of AI generated designs.

This year, I highlighted 4 similar examples in my keynote, all drawn from an even larger number of going digital a word sums that illustrated how Pentley applications provide engining context to AI.

Infrastructure engineering is a creative profession, but one where precision is non-negotiable and consequences are real.

The same way that infrastructure organizations have trusted our broad and deep portfolio of applications to empower their individual engineers, they are turning to our applications to provide the same precision to their AI agents.

Now, as our applications were not designed to interact with AI agents, we also announced the infrastructure AI co-innovation initiative, inviting our users to partner with us to explore how our applications need to evolve both technically and commercially, as Greg mentioned, to better support these AI use cases.

At YII we also highlighted the AI capabilities we are delivering to the broader engineering community, starting with our next generation applications powered by AI.

Open Site Plus announced that last year's YI for site engineering is now in limited availability.

We also introduced 2 additional next generation applications in early access this quarter.

Substation plus for collaborative substation design and synchro plus for 4D construction modeling with AI driven insights.

ALL3 applications feature Bentley co-pilot or AI system purpose-built for infrastructure engineering.

We are also enhancing existing application with AI bringing Bendigo pilot and AIpar drawings production to open roads and open rail.

And we unveiled new search capabilities in bed infrastructure cloud powered by AI as demonstrated on stage with Project Wise.

One last point, we talked about how engineering firms are leveraging our software to ensure that the recommendations from their AI agents are trustworthy.

A related topic is trust from the engineering firms in the data that we use to train our AI capabilities.

The AC advisor survey shows security and data privacy as the top concern of entering firms with respect to AI. And this is across all firm sizes. At YII we reaffirmed our commitment to data stewardship, first outlined 2 years ago. Respect for intellectual property is foundational to Bentley's approach.

Users control their data, always. They decide if and how it is used for AI training.

To uphold this principle, we implemented strict governance.

Only data explicitly licensed or explicitly contributed by accounts for the benefit of the broader Bit user community is used.

Users can also fine tune Bend AI models with their own data for their exclusive use.

And to ensure transparency, we introduced the Data Agreement registry, an auditing system that shows exactly how data was used to train Bentley AI models.

When others are vague on these critical topics, we lead with clarity.

Overall, we were pleased with this year's year in infrastructure, receiving great feedback about our comprehensive and principled approach to infrastructure AI.

And I encourage you to check out our sessions and going digital awards winners at YII. Bentley.com. Moving on to our results for the quarter. We delivered a solid quarter in line with our expectations.

Our year-to-date results position us well to finish within our outlook ranges for the full year.

Low double-digital growth, approximately 100 basis points of margin expansion.

And robust free cash flow consistent with our long-term financial framework.

Q3ARR increased 10.5% year over year, or 11% when excluding the impact of China.

Growth was underpinned by a net revenue retention rate of 109%.

E 365 performance remained solid, and we added 300 basis points of AR growth from new logos again, primarily within the SMB segment.

For the 15th consecutive quarter, we added at least 600 new SMB logos through our online store, with retention in this segment remaining high.

Turning to our tone of business by infrastructure sector, resources was once again our fastest growing sector in the quarter.

We continue to see soft signals of improvement in mining exploration.

Public works utilities delivered another solid quarter consistent with 1st half performance and driven by sustained global infrastructure investment.

Power line systems remain a standout performer, benefiting from global demand for grid resilience and increased power generation.

Growth in the industrial sector remained modest while commercial facilities was flat.

Looking at our geographies at a high level, Asia Pacific at a strong quarter, followed by the Americas and EMEA.

Growth in America was solid, led by North America.

In the US our accounts continue to benefit from a favorable macro backdrop, despite ongoing uncertainty, though less so from tariffs and policy shifts and the recent federal shutdown. To date, we have seen minimal disruption from the shutdown.

Looking ahead, there are constructive signals that full scale promoting reform for energy infrastructure and critical minerals in the US could happen in the coming quarters.

Both our praline systems and sequence businesses are very well positioned to benefit from these governments. In the MEA, the Middle East continued to lead the region with another very strong quarter, followed by Europe and the UK.

Long-term opportunities are supported by robust investment in transport, water, and energy, particularly in areas such as dual-use infrastructure, data center expansion, and nuclear.

There's also movement in Europe on permitting reform. The European Commission published guidance to help member states accelerate permitting and deployment of renewable energy and grid infrastructure as part of its broader effort to lower energy costs and strengthen supply security.

In Asia Pacific, overall performance was strong, with India and Southeast Asia standing out.

Robust investment in India is expected to continue, supporting its 2047 vision for long-term growth and development. Growth in ANZ remains softer due to the slowdown in transportation spending in Australia. However, there is general expectation that it will rebound, driven by infrastructure projects tied to the 2032 Brisbane Olympics.

China's performance was consistent with our expectations, given the economic and geopolitical headwinds and represents only about 2% of total AR.

And with that, Turner, over to you.

Thank you Nicholas.

We've had a solid 3rd quarter and are well positioned with respect to our financial outlook range for the full year.

Total revenues for the third quarter were $376 million up 12% year by year on a reported basis and 11% on a constant currency basis.

Year-to-date, total revenues grew 11% and 10% on a reported and constant currency basis respectively.

Our mainstay subscription revenues grew 14% year by year for the quarter in reported and 12% in constant currency, and for year-to-date, subscription revenues grew 12% on a reported and constant currency basis.

Subscription revenues represent 92% of total revenues, up 2% points from the same quarter last year, reflecting improvements in the overall quality of our revenues visibility, growth consistency, and margin contribution.

Our E365 and SMB initiatives continue to be solid contributors.

Perpetual license revenues for the quarter were 11 million, essentially flat compared to the prior year. Perpetual license sales make up only 3% of total revenues and will remain small relative to our recurring revenues.

Our less predictable professional services revenues declined 2% for the quarter in reported and 3% in constant currency and now represent 5% of total revenues.

We currently expect that our professional services revenues will remain at current levels for the remainder of the year, hence this would be for the full year, about 5 million less than we had originally planned.

It is still the case that the largest portion of these non-recurring services relate to IBM maximum implementation and upgrade work.

Our last 12 months recurring revenues, which include subscriptions and a small amount of recurring services, increased by 13% year by year in reported and in constant currency.

And represent 92% of our last 12 months' total revenues.

Up 1% point year by year.

Over the last 12 months, constant currency account retention rate remained at 99%.

And our constant currency net retention rate rounded down to 109%, led in magnitude by aggression within our consumption-based E365 commercial model.

We ended Q3 with ERR of 1,405 million at quarter end spot rates.

On a constant currency basis, our year over year growth rate was 10.5%. Consistent with our seasonality expectations for the year.

Which included the favorable impact from the onboarding of our caesium acquisition in 24 Q3 dropping off this quarter.

Excluding China, our year by year constant currency our growth rate was 11%.

With China being 2% of our total AR.

On a quarterly sequential basis, our constant currency growth rate was 2.2%. Below our 24 Q3 sequential growth rate of 3.2%. Impacted by the timing of programmatic acquisitions and asset analytics deals.

With regards to seasonality, we expect 25Q4 to have higher year over year AIR growth compared to 25 Q3 due to the timing of potential acquisitions and anticipated asset analytics deals.

Our GAAP operating income was 84 million for the third quarter and $284 million year-to-date.

I've previously explained the impact on our GAAP operating results from deferred compensation plan, liability revaluations and acquisition expenses.

Moving on to adjusted operated income, less stock-based compensation expense, our primary profitability and margin performance measure.

Adjusted operating income less SPC expense was 104 million for the quarter, up 16% year by year, with a margin of 27.7%, up 100 basis points.

Year-to-date, adjusted operating income less SPC expense was 335 million, up 13%, with a margin of 30.2%, up 60 basis points.

Our margin performance for Q3 and year-to-date has been strong, and we remain confident about delivering our full year adjusted operating income less SBC target margin of approximately 28.5%, representing an annual margin improvement of 100 basis points.

As a reminder, our OpEx seasonality is always more heavily weighted towards the second half, with our annual races occurring as of April each year and our larger promotional and event-related costs also concentrated in the second half of the year and particularly Q4.

Further, our OpEx seasonality in 2024 was impacted from head cost run rate savings from our 234 strategic realignment which benefited the first half of 2024 and shifted some of our run rate and discretionary investments into the second half of 2024 and particularly Q4 2024.

We therefore expect more than 100 basis points of marginal improvement for the fourth quarter of 2025 when compared to 2024.

Our free cash flow was 111 million for the quarter and 384 million year-to-date.

This is generally consistent with our expectation based on our seasonality of collections and expenditures, as well as the timing of cash tax payments, which are more concentrated in the 4th quarter.

We are on target to meet our full year free cash flow outlook of 430 to 470 million.

With regards to capital allocation, along with providing sufficiently for our growth initiatives, year-to-date, we deployed free cash flow as follows.

135 million fully paying down our senior debt.

93 million ineffective share repurchases to offset dilution from stock-based compensation.

10 million in convertible senior note repurchases and 64 million on dividends.

With our senior debt being fully paid down, our net debt leverage, including all of our 2026 and 2027 convertible notes as debt, was 2.2 times adchasted deviar, down from 2.9 times at the end of 2024.

Our strong balance sheet and projected free cash flow generation will sufficiently fund our dividend, share repurchases, and growth initiatives, including potential programmatic acquisitions.

Our 5 year senior secured credit agreement, dated from October 2024 provides a current underdrawn 1.3 billion revolving credit facility.

This provides sufficient flexibility to address the January 2026 maturity of 678 million in outstanding convertible debt while keeping our cash interest thereafter at about the same magnitude as in the recent past.

Interest rates on our debt are protected through very low coupons on our convertible notes.

And very favorable terms of our $200 million interest rate swap expiring in 2030.

And finally, with only 1 quarter remaining, our performance for the 1st 9 months gives us confidence in our ability to achieve our annual financial targets.

I already provided incremental color on our 4th quarter expectations for ARR.

Adjusted operating income by stock-based compensation margin and free cash flow.

With regards to total revenues, 2025 to date reflects a continued shift in mix from professional services revenues to subscription revenues, improving our overall quality of revenues and margin contribution.

With regards to foreign exchange rates for the 3rd quarter, the US dollar has weakened relative to the exchange rates assumed in our 2025 annual Financial outlook, resulting in approximately $10 million of incremental revenues from currency.

And a total favorable impact for the 1st 9 months of approximately 18 million.

Based on recent rates where the US dollar has weakened relative to our outlook rates, if end of October exchange rates would prevail throughout the remainder of the year, our fourth quarter GAAP revenues would be positively impacted by approximately 8 million relative to the exchange rates assumed in our 2025 financial outlook.

And with that, we are ready for Q&A.

Over to Eric to moderate.

Thank you.

Thanks, Werner. Before we begin, I just wanted to remind everyone to limit yourselves to one question so we can get to everybody today. First question will come from Joe Brewing from Robert W. Beard.

I Great. Hi, everyone. Maybe can you go into a bit more detail on the opportunity for better ARR growth in 4Q, that's a big renewal period, but also asset analytics opportunities and Just on the point about renewals, so, to the point, Greg, you were making at the start, how Bentley applications are called a few years from now could look a lot different than how they currently are utilized. How does that get encapsulated with an enterprise customer that is willing to engage with you over a multi-year time frame, and are you appropriately monetizing the full potential with kind of the ceiling floor structure you have been using around these consumption arrangements?

Well, I'll say. To your last question, Joe, that We only monetize the actual consumption. It just happens to be bounded by a floor and ceiling potentially. And we are not yet monetizing API consumption, for instance, even though some of it is occurring.

What, in the course of a renewal with an enterprise account for E 365, they tend to prefer to get visibility into their spending in the out years as well, and it continues to be the case that we Wind up.

On average negotiating that each year of that renewal.

The floor and ceiling escalate by about 10%, and I think they're aware because you see this enterprise accounts are the Ones responding to the survey about spending on AI and expectations about AI. They know that their mix of Consumption and modes.

Of consumption will change over that period of time. But.

They are comfortable with expecting to spend a little double-digit amount more with us and no doubt with others each year, and we're satisfied.

To, but we likewise know there's going to be volatility in the components of the mix, but when you put it all together.

In an Enterprise agreement You, you've heard my take on that, which is to be confident that while the mix will change.

The magnitude will Reflect the increasing value, especially from AI.

Nicholas, as to the 4th quarter, yeah, indeed, its Is.

A strong renewal quarter and our expectations are comport ant with that Right. Well.

First of all, Q3, AR growth was exactly what we're expecting, and what we're expecting for Q4 is AR growth year over year to be stronger than Q3. A part of that is the renewals as you mentioned, and then how much better it will be than Q3 will depend on potentially M&A or some of the big asset and ethics opportunities that we're pursue.

But it would be better than Q3 in any case.

Because of the magnitude of renewals that occur in in each 4th quarter. So they're all.

Layers that give us confidence in 4th quarter. And of course, therefore in the outlook for the year.

Thanks, Joe. The next question comes from Jason Selina from Key Bank.

Great, thanks. I wanted to ask about the government shutdown. I recognize that in your prepared remarks, you said it's had, a minimal impact. Maybe can you just elaborate on what you were seeing or not seeing and why it's been so limited?

Yeah, to date, we have seen indeed minimal impact. First of all, our direct revenue from the US federal government is less than 1%.

And indirectly, for the projects that were already awarded, IIJA funding, while the funding continued to flow, during the shutdown and that's very much, because of the way IIJ was structured, yeah.

Now, depending on how long, this, shutdown is going to, is going to go, it could be that very much at the margin when, we get to renewals with some accounts. And you may recall that renewals are based not just on past performance, how much they've been consumed in the past year, but also how much they're expecting to consume in the next year. It could be that the, at the margin, the, consumption expectation going forward may be impacted, yeah, but this is super early to say, yeah, and it will really depend on all of the shutdown goes.

Yeah, and hopefully it ends soon, so, yeah.

We'll see other Things, kind of indirectly are Good, are gummed up also.

And we hopefully not for much longer. Things like the permitting reform we keep expecting and.

Some other Functions of the federal government that don't have to do with using software but changing policies and so forth that are also on hold.

We'd like to see the shutdown end. Sooner rather than later. And we think that's the general expectation Now.

Thanks, Jason. The next question comes from Matt Hedberg from RBC.

Great, thanks for taking my question, guys. A lot of the bigger frontier model builders are noting that access to power is the biggest bottleneck for compute capacity today, and I guess Nicholas, you noted, both PLS and sequence, is set to benefit from this longer-term which is sort of in line with our view. It's also nice to see, I think, although permitting reform takes time, Greg, you said it's sort of like there's, it just takes time. It sounds like a permitting reform is accelerating a bit, I guess my question is realizing these projects take time and permitting reform takes time as well. Are you starting to see any sort of early benefit from early, sort of like discussion with customers around this activity, and how should we think about sort of like medium to long-term this, desire for more power to positively impact, air our growth.

Well, first, despite permitting reforms still to come, both PLS and Sequent remain, a strong growth engines for the company, right? And both businesses are still growing faster than the company. We have seen now in the US, for example, some acceleration on some mining projects, through the, it's called the FAST 41 process, for, minerals that are strategic importance to the US economy like lithium or copper.

Yeah, there is a similar bill that was passed in Canada. So we think this is, I mean, this is happening basically for mining. There's already, a lot of movement in order to accelerate permitting or accelerate certain projects. But for the electric grid, this is still to come, but we've seen some very encouraging signs. In the past few months in the US, I think there's a clear realization here that, we must expand the electric grid, and there's a lot of effort, a lot of activities going into strengthening the existing grid, making it more robust, but we actually need to expand it in order to cope with the higher demand that is for electricity and a lot of that coming from, data centers, by the way, yeah. So you can see it as a growing tailwind, for us.

Thanks, Matt. The next question comes from Dylan Becker from William Blair.

Hey guys, it's Faith on for Dylan. I just wanted to double click onto your AI, innovation roadmap and how you're working with your customer base to build that out, maybe how that played into Cloud nect and really what you're focusing on and how you're prioritizing the different opportunities.

Well First Of all, what was remarkable when we looked at the submissions for the, this year's going digit to awards, was seeing how much, our users are investing in AI themselves. And that was a big part also of the update that Greg provided with the AC advisor survey and we can see how much is invested in AI.

And as always, we're using the going toward submissions as, a did our own survey of what's going on with the most advanced, infrastructure organizations out there in leveraging, digital, to drive, the productivity. And it points to our core applications, engineering applications playing a new role going forward, not just here to empower infrastructure engineers, in individual engineers, but actually to start to interact with AI agents. And we think this is a Fantastic. Of course, opportunity. Now, we've seen a net acceleration of, use cases where own applications are being used in conjunction with AI that is being developed by our users. If we just look at and reflect on the past couple of years, and we've announced a co-innovation initiative in order to engage with our users, to partner with them to discuss how can we evolve oranging applications technically. And also, how can we evolve the commercial model around these applications so that we can support those workflows going forward, better support those workflows going forward. We're hugely excited about that, right? But even there is a lot of investments on our side for the, for our own AI capabilities that we're delivering to, our users. Here, we make sure that, first of All of our product organization, all of our user facing teams have a deep empathy, a deep understanding of the needs of the users, the accounts that we serve. We understand where potential opportunities to drive more productivity through AI, for example. And then we involve representative users along the way in helping us prioritize which use cases that we're going to go after first with AI. We involve them during the development of those capabilities. We evolve them with beta software what we call early access. We involve them, of course, during limited availability to make sure that the product can scale to the broader market and so on and so forth. So we have constant touch point all the way from the very beginning of the exploration, what problems can we solve with AI to making sure that the software can scale. We have involvement all the way with representative users.

Thanks, Pate.

The next question comes from Chris Owen from Oppenheimer.

Hi, good morning.

Thank you so much for the question. So, I wanted to ask you about labor availability, not just here in the US but globally in the construction and infrastructure trades. Obviously, AI can't actually build infrastructure. So, I'm wondering if you're starting to see that meaning.

Impact any of your engineering firm customers, what sort of impact these labor challenges are having maybe on project delivery times, budgets, and then add on this piece of willingness to invest in technology to help with some of those productivity challenges.

Thank you.

Kristen, I think the biggest picture is That everyone has long expected the engineering services firm, so that's half of our business, and they work for the other half of our business, the owner operators. Everyone has expected the way they work to change from a time and materials, billing hours to Paying for value and being therefore having a platform to incent and reward, for instance, these AI investments.

The biggest picture I think, is that the ongoing.

Engineering Resource constraints are Influencing that now.

Happening in favor of AI investments and expectations and changes in the commercial model and

The opportunity for us is to be Shoulder to shoulder alongside those engineering firms. We want to help be their arms merchant, providing them the, for instance, asset analytics cloud services that they will rebrand and bundle with their engineering analytics and their own data and AI models.

But where they won't need to get into providing.

The cloud services, the things we can do together with Google. And then adding our.

Asset analytics layer. So changing the commercial models is the accelerating that because everyone has expected it to occur and it's been slow. I think that finally is being catalyzed now and that's the biggest Impact.

Thank you.

Thanks, Kristen. The next question comes from Alexei Gugelev from JPMorgan.

Thank you, Eric. Hello everyone. Hi, Greg. I wanted to ask you, to maybe give us a brief update of how the partnership with Google is going. Have there been any incremental customer conversations on the back of this partnership and, what does that mean for your asset analytics opportunity?

One of the updates we give at YI was how we are integrating Google Geodata across our portfolio.

It starts with, arranging applications, MicroStation, the new version of MicroStation not includes Cesium, for 3-Digital spatial visization, but through Cesium is actually integrating, 3D photorealistic task from Google. And, I mentioned the launch of Ben Infrastructure Cloud Connect. The user experience of Ben Infrastructure Cloud is also powered by Cesium and also powered by 3D photorealistic tiles of Google. So that's, integration is going very well and we're expanding really across our full portfolio.

We're quite excited also about the opportunity with Google when it comes to asset analytics. Google, is, a source of data that can be analyzed in order to better understand the current conditions of infrastructure assets, and their full context. And you may recall that we've announced, a couple of, months ago.

A deeper partnership with Google from that standpoint where we'll be processing Google Street View imagery, to understand basically the inventory of assets out there and be able to do a before and after comparison.

On what's going on with this infrastructure asset when we compare it with, dashcam data that we're processing through our own road monitoring solution, right? And that's just one example of so many other use cases that we're discussing with Google where we can, empower deeper analytics about existing assets.

Thanks.

Next question comes from Clark Jeffries from Piper Sandler.

Hello. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask, just a little bit of a follow-up to the discussion around the appetite of AI spend with your customers. Seems like a lot of this is survey work and sort of perspective on where they'll go, but I wanted to ask today, are you seeing proactive RFPs from these customers around AI capabilities or is it too early? And sort of, do you imagine there being a discrete sales approach around AI functionality, or do you feel like this will be very organic within your kind of existing sales motion?

Also, on the former, it is still too early for the market to ask specifically for AI capabilities for specific use cases. It's still too early. However, indirectly, we do see infrastructure organization insisting that it is as easy as possible for them to access data that is being created or managed through software coming from providers. So that they can use it for their own, AI purposes. Yeah. And by the way, so this is much more indirect, yeah, but they are aware that software providers are developing AI capabilities and we see them clear and clear about, we want to make sure that when you do this as a software provider, you don't use our data without our explicit permission, right? This is very top of mind right now. And it's a part of the conversation we're talking about benefactor to cloud n, for example. We reinforce our commitment to data stewardship. We make it very clear that the data of our users is their data always. We don't use it to train our own AI unless, they explicitly, authorize us to do so, yeah. And that is a clear differentiator, versus other providers who are maybe, well, just less clear, yeah, on that topic. But in general, we are still very early stage when it comes to requirements for AI specific capabilities. And because it's still very early stage, we don't see a need right now to have, a different go to market approach when it comes to positioning these AI capabilities. If you look back and at what we basically announced in terms of our own AI capabilities, sometimes it's the next generation of an existing application like OpenSite Plus is the next generation of OpenSite. Substation Plus is the next generation of substation. The same way that, we've gone to a council position, opens, the original open site solution, the original substitution solution, then we're going to continue to do the same even if the new one is part by AI. Then we're also introducing a lot of new AI capabilities or a lot of AI capilities to existing applications. So same thing, there's no need in order to do a different go to market.

At centeriteix is different. Here, we've been very clear that we want to go both direct and indirect, right? So, I said, we are going after owner operators and the firms that serve them in order to position those capabilities but we definitely welcome all the organizations to take our capabilities and offer them as part of their own offering for asset monitoring, asset maintenance, asset management.

Perfect. Thank You.

Thanks, Clark. The next question comes from Jay Vleeschhouwer from Griffin Securities.

Thank you. Good morning.

Nicholas, I'd like to ask about something we talked about at the conference three weeks ago in Amsterdam, having to do with your product development. Specifically, how have you evolved or how do you think you might still need to evolve your product development, management, or operations in light of all that you mean to do across the portfolio? Do you think that you can or should, for example, impress the time between beta and GA, something we talked about a few weeks ago. And in light of what Greg talked about earlier, with regard to your new consumption, model, how might those new techniques of consumables possibly tie back into your product development process or product release timing?

Right. When it comes to our own, product development process, we got an earlier question, here on how much are we involving users, how much are we involving accounts, and we're very keen to continue to do that and do that even more, right? When, we release our software, we want to do it in a very iterative fashion.

We don't have necessarily top-down target on you must go from early access data to limited ability in that time frame and you must go from limited ability to general ability in that time frame. It will really depend on, the feedback we're getting from representative users. Especially when it comes to very new capabilities. We're sometimes creating new, potentially, we're creating new markets, when it comes to asset netics, etc. We want to make sure that we get it right, before we just, we push too hard, right? So it's important for us that we keep, it is a very close feedback loop with representative users and we trade as often as necessary in order to get the software right and then ready to scale.

Yeah. And, now, we are embracing AI as well to improve our productivity. And I would say the majority of our developers now are working with AI tools every day, to be, more productive, whether it's for coding assistance or even generation of some parts of the code. For mundane and mundane functions, right? And we're quite pleased, right, to see the level of embrace by our developers, not necessarily top-bound, really coming from them to use AI capabilities. And it remains a very good analogy for how we're seeing AI playing out for infrastructure engineers, not AI replacing infrastructure engineers, but AI making infrastructure engineers more productive. AI being more of a co-parent, if you want. That's the name, by the way, of our own AI system.

Jay, I'll say.

That you and I share a long background going back to when. Our desktop products were a platform.

For specialized applications developed. Including by our accounts, and we had special teams that worked with the accounts, the developers within the accounts.

To help support their Particularizing our existing applications for their own purposes, that's kind of gotten extinct by now. Individual organizations don't develop their own particular software for this, but what we saw in the AI surveys, and we saw in the going digital award submissions are a lot of investment by the Enterprises, the AEC firms, larger ones, in their own agent environment, and the APIs.

That we'll create because we have to move the engines to the cloud and open them up and so forth, will be another way of working with developers. The developers will turn out to be the developers in the large enterprises, and I can see that being a different kind of go to market.

Incremental orthogonal. Approach for the future.

Echoing back to what we've done in the past, where we love our role as a platform. Provider especially.

Thank you.

Thanks, Jay.

Next question comes from Taylor McGinnis from UBS.

Yeah, hi, thanks so much, for taking my question. Maybe just on the financials. So if I adjust for the lapping of the acquisition, it still looks like net new ARR was down a bit year over year on a constant currency basis. So I know that you guys said that that was in line with expectations, but maybe you can just unpack the drivers behind that. And as we look into for you, I think to get to the upper end, Of your guys' guidance range, it implies a big step up in net new era. I know you mentioned M&A and, some of these asset analytics deals, potentially being needle moving there. So when you think about, the size of, M&A that you guys are contemplating or, how big some of these, asset analytics deals could be, could you just provide a little bit more color there? Thanks.

Maybe I'll jump. Well, okay. And I'll just jump in on asset analytics because you've heard me say we have such a big dependable flywheel, that they're. But the only thing that's volatile in what we do is the asset analytics business because we're looking at Landing 7.

And 8-figure deals, and they.

It isn't yet. At critical mass.

I think you could say that we believe it will become so soon, but on the margin it does make these differences in which quarter those.

Deals fall. And of course, speaking of frame of reference.

Our business used to be like that back when the software business was an upfront licensed business and so forth, but for us it makes this difference on the margin, but the margin is what we're, is significant when we're comparing one quarter to another at the At the level of when was 10 10. 5, 10.9, and so forth. It it's to do with these acid analytics things.

Yeah, may maybe I add like in, for asset analytics like Q2 and Q3 last year was particularly strong and the opportunities for bigger deals, more towards the end of the year, in 2025.

And on the M&A side, so just to say like we don't need M&A to be within the Outlook range, for our ERR, there are a number of transactions that we are working on. We expect that we close at least one by the end of the year.

Over the last few years, our contribution to constant currency growth through M&A was between 40 and 70 basis points.

And we do expect for this year that we are roughly within that range, again, and our Q3 year by year, our growth rate that we're showing is purely organic, so there's no benefit from M&A at all. So we're 10.5% purely organic and without China, it would be 11% purely organic.

Thanks, Taylor.

Next question comes from CD Panagrati from Zua Capital.

Thanks for taking my question. I want to ask about macro. If you, think about last year, there was so much uncertainty, election going on, interest rate high. How do you view the macro now in this environment right now heading to 2026, and Werner, anything that we, any puts and text that we should think about 2026?

Well, I'll start on the macro. It remains robust, yeah. The backdrop is the same. The markets are strong. There's never been more demand for better, more resilient infrastructure around the world. The only exception we've talked about for a long time now is China. And then I mentioned in my prepared remarks briefly, Australia, in Australia, it's a bit of a crosswind. You have, less investments in the transportation infrastructure that we've seen in the past few years, but on the other hand, you have more investments going into mining.

Yeah. So as we get into, we look, starting to look into 2026, we are not expecting a change of the overall demand environment. We expect the demand environment overall to remain robust, yeah.

I'll say that a difference. From a year ago in the world.

If we step back is this notion Unfortunately that each country needs to be self-sufficient in its resources, and requires infrastructure investment and if you like, even some redundant infrastructure investment to do that. And then the other factor, for instance, the COP conference this year, the theme is on adaptation. And adaptation.

As Part of resilience is the work of civil and structural and geotechnical engineers, and it's just understood we need to get on with that evermore. .

Those are changes that may be resulted from politics, but they end up, adding.

To the demand for the work of infrastructure engineers, and again, there aren't enough of them, without.

Going digital.

Thanks.

Next question comes from Guy Hardwick from Barclays.

Hi, good morning. Just a quick one for me. So last month there was speculated in the press of a merger between the #2 ENC firm globally and the #4 player globally. I was just wondering, consolidation amongst your larger E&C customers, what are the kind of positive and negative implications potentially for Bentley?

Well, some of that has taken place in the past and has not been to any disadvantage. The if we in other types of, if you like, design software, it might be R&D functions that would be consolidated. The way that our software is used by the engineering and construction firms is in their throughput.

Of production. It is the means of producing. Their product. It's their factory floor, if you like, and a combination.

Makes them larger but need no less software and we sort of tend to be the choice for larger firms.

The consolidation, I think, has ultimately benefited us because of the type of technical platform cooperation that we're salivating now to do with Expanding our APIs.

For AI to have our analytics and simulation engines be available for the development to be to be used to provide the engineering precision and context and AI developments that the larger firms, as Nicholas pointed out, are more investing in. It's going back to, as I was saying with Jay, this notion of being technically shoulder to shoulder as well as commercially shoulder to shoulder. I think that benefits from consolidation.

Thank you. Given time constraints, this call's gone for an hour, so I'll leave anything else for follow-ups.

Thank you.

Thanks. Yeah, the next question comes from Koji Akita from PFA.

Hey guys, thanks so much for taking the question. Listening to the call and the commentary, lots of commentary on external AI opportunities out there for Bentley. But I wanted to ask about an update on how you guys are internally using AI to drive productivity gains and sales, R&D, G&A, and longer-term, what could the internal use of AI mean for margin expansion for Bentley?

Thank you.

Yeah, thanks a lot for the question. I didn't touch on it when it comes to our own internal use of AI for product development, but, you're right, we're actually expanding our, the use of AI across business functions and we've seen some, quality improvements, in, lead nurturing, for example, or user support. Yeah. So we see AI definitely as a way of making our existing colleagues more productive.

And therefore it will help, to increase both the top-line and the bottom line, that's our expectation going forward.

Thanks. And our last question comes from Joshua Tilton from Wolf Research.

Thank you guys for sneaking me in, can you hear me?

Yes I've been jumping around this morning, so I apologize if it's, been asked, but I think it's very important. Greg, you always stress how predictable this business is, and I think that's what people really love and enjoy about it, or at least it's one of the things I think they do. Last quarter, you had already told us that you expected this to be the low point of ARR growth, for the year. And I guess my question is, was that in line with your expectations, or did it Come in even below what you guys thought. And the reason I'm asking is because should we just view this as right down the fairway with your expectations and continue confidence into Q4, or did things maybe trend a little bit worse than you were expecting, even below that low point you kind of guided us to, last Quarter?

Well, I think it's the former but Werner, I think it's worth wrapping up with, a summary of the factors and how that's different for Q4.

00, you're on mute can you just repeat the question, sorry.

I was just asking, you told us that this was going to be the low point for the year, and I think, we're just trying to understand was that low point in line with your expectations, and we're just as confident as before as we were, 90 days ago when you told us this was going to be the low point, or was this low point worse than you were expecting, and then we should adjust your expectations for Q4?

Okay, understood. Sorry. So I think we are exactly where we expected to be for Q3.

It's clear that Q4 is a big water for us. Like most of the renewals are in Q4, or like not most of them, but a very significant amount of our annual contract renewals are in Q4.

We see the pipeline is as we expected it in our outlook, and we will focus on strong execution as we did here to date.

And then we, as we said, like we have the opportunities within asset analytics and programmatic acquisitions that makes us confident that, Q3 will be the lowest point and we're going up to, from here, if you will. So, we feel the same as we felt like a quarter ago, so we are on target if you know.

I don't know whether you caught it, Joshua, but Werner quantified the year-to-date.

Contribution from programmatic acquisitions in our year over year ARR growth is 0%.

This Year And it's generally 40 or 70 basis points, and we actually may wind up there because we can, we continue to strategically prioritize asset acquisition opportunities and the asset acquisition opportunities just to go back to that are the lumpy deals, and.

Back when lumpy deals were part of our business, which has been a long time.

Ago, we remember they usually occur in Q4, and this year doesn't.

Seem different, even though as we got started with asset analytics last year, we had some big deals in Q2 and Q3. So again, it is a big reliable.

Flywheel, but it has on the margin. These changes, and I'm grinning because I think those are the right things for us to be doing. Asset analytics.

Is the ground floor of a huge opportunity that AI enabled. And even though.

It's going to be a bit of a nuisance.

It's a volatile nature. Ultimately, we'll spread it all out as we gain critical mass and escape velocity there, as I say, and I feel that's coming closer strategically.

Makes sense, very helpful. Maybe just one last one before you kick me off. You guys had the year in infrastructure conference, lots coming out of it. We also had Autodesk University like a quarter ago, so, announcements across the industry, I guess, if there is one announcement that you think is going to be the most needle-moving for the business that investors should be paying attention to, like, what would you call out from the year in infrastructure conference?

I would say, yeah, short-term, connect.

Yeah, and it connect, yeah.

You heard it, guys. Thank You very much.

New foundation layer for ben Infrastructure cloud, bringing a lot of capabilities that used to be in the different enterprise systems that we brought together under the umbrella of Ben Infrastructure Cloud and basically where data, is being federated in order to be used for AI.

Purposes and I would just say. Stepping back, a contrast among these announcements, you have.

Other vendors out there whose products have always been. Separate, and there's been no way to get data from one to the other. Of course, AI models enable them to say, okay.

If you pay us now, we'll actually help you get data from one application to another.

Or from our standpoint, it's all been Integrated a common schema, we're way ahead on that point. It's not a matter of monetization. It's a matter of improving the form factor to make it even easier to use and even easier to use.

With AI agents and API Consumption I'd say AI and.

Put the P in the middle. That's how we want to be a platform vendor to fit that into our existing enterprise accounts. And that's, of course, a different go to market motion for AI for the SNB firms, but the.

The, what I Think Nicholas says that the connect is important because it brings this down to the level of every user, so that it's not, so that it's intuitive and immersive and geospatial and new, but the back end of how things are integrated together, we're not inventing now, we're.

Leveraging now.

Thanks. That concludes our call today. We thank you for your interest and time in Bentley Systems. Feel, please feel free to reach out to investor relations with further questions and follow-up, and we look forward to updating you on our performance in coming quarters. Thanks a lot.

Thanks. Cheers.

Thank you.