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  • Operator

  • Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Badger Meter second-quarter 2016 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded.

  • I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Rick Johnson, Senior Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer. Sir, please go ahead.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • Thank you very much, Liz. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Badger Meter's second-quarter conference call. Thank all of you for joining us today.

  • As usual, I will begin by stating that we will make a number of forward-looking statements on our call today. Certain statements contained in this presentation as well as other information provided from time to time by the Company or its employees may contain forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in these forward-looking statements. Please see yesterday's earnings release for a list of words or expressions that identify such statements and the associated risk factors.

  • Let me reiterate some of our guidelines. For competitive reasons we do not comment on specific individual product line profitability, other than in general terms; nor do we disclose components of cost of sales -- for example, copper. More importantly, we continue our practice of not providing specific guidance on future earnings. We believe specific guidance does not serve the long-term interest of our shareholders.

  • Now, onto the results: yesterday after the market close we released our second-quarter 2016 results. Sales for the second quarter of 2016 were a record for any quarter, while earnings and earnings per share were second-quarter record.

  • Second-quarter sales increased $4.9 million or 5% to $103.8 million compared to $98.9 million in the second quarter of last year. The increase was due to higher sales of municipal water products, which increased 7.2%, offset somewhat by lower sales of flow instrumentation products, which declined 2.1%.

  • Let's talk about some of the details. Municipal water product sales represented 77.1% of sales in this quarter compared to 75.5% in the second quarter of last year. These sales increased $5.4 million or 7.2% to $80 million from $74.6 million last year. The increase was a result of higher sales of both residential and commercial meters and related technologies.

  • Overall residential sales increased 3.5% on higher volumes and modestly higher pricing, while commercial sales increased 29.1% due to higher volumes of products sold. You may recall that in the first quarter we said we believed the mild winter had caused certain utilities to order products in the first quarter that we would normally have received in the second quarter. We believe this is one of the reasons residential sales were up only 3.5% in the second quarter.

  • Flow instrumentation products represented 22.9% of sales for the second quarter compared to 24.5% in the same period last year. Sales decreased to $23.8 million in the second quarter from $24.3 million last year. These sales continued to be impacted by the slow growth economy and overall general softness in the markets that Badger Meter serves.

  • Gross margin as a percent of sales was 37.9% in the second quarter compared to 35.5% in the second quarter of last year. The effect of higher product volumes on capacity utilization; modestly higher prices; and lower material costs, particularly for brass castings, contributed to the higher percentage.

  • Selling, engineering and administration expenses, what we refer to as SMEGA, increased $1.5 million or 6.5% to $24.5 million from $23 million during the same period last year. This increase was due primarily to higher employee incentive costs and normal inflationary increases.

  • Also included in the most recent quarter was approximately $700,000 of costs associated with the Company's exploration of various options to enhance shareholder value -- and Rich will have more to say about this in a moment -- and amounts associated with an early retirement program offered to certain flow instrumentation employees. Given the softness in our flow instrumentation business, the decision was made to offer the early retirement program to certain individuals as well as not filling open positions. These actions are expected to generate a savings of $1.3 million annually going forward.

  • The provision for income taxes as a percentage of earnings before taxes was 36% compared to 33.4% in the second quarter of 2015. Last year's percentage of 33.4% was lower due to the settlement of a tax audit. When you adjust for that, the tax rates between quarters are comparable. As a result of all this, net earnings for the second quarter were $9.4 million or $0.65 per diluted share compared to $7.9 million or $0.55 per diluted share in the second quarter of last year.

  • There were no significant changes in our balance sheet. Inventories are a little higher due to the delay of certain shipments until later in the year. We continue to have good cash generation and have reduced our debt as a percentage of total capitalization to just under 18% at June 30.

  • With that bit of background, I will now turn the call over to Rich Meeusen, Badger Meter's Chairman, President and CEO, who will have some additional comments. Rich?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Thank you, Rick, and thank all of you for joining us today. In fairness I should state that some of my comments -- that none of my comments today were copied from any speech by Michelle Obama, although I did lift a few words from Lady Bird Johnson.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • I am not seeing that in the script.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • I know. It is going to be one of those days.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes, I can tell.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • This was a good quarter for Badger Meter, with continued strong results on both the top and bottom lines. Our record sales continue to be driven by our flagship products: our E-Series Ultrasonic water meters, our ORION cellular radios, and our BEACON analytics software platform.

  • For the second quarter compared to the same quarter in 2015, E-Series unit sales were up 42%, and ORION cellular units were up 35%. Margins were strong, again aided by lower copper prices, although that benefit has been diminishing as copper prices have risen somewhat over the past 60 days and the relative benefit compared to the prior year's quarters has decreased. We expect to continue to see some benefit in the third quarter, but to a lesser extent than in the previous quarters.

  • Although we are still confident about the balance of the year, we have seen some softening in order input over the past month which could impact the third quarter. Due to the high demand for our BEACON software, we have recently encountered a bottleneck in developing the necessary interfaces between BEACON and the billing systems used by both current and potential customers.

  • For each new BEACON application, it is necessary for us to map our database to the database in the customer's system. Unfortunately, many of our customers do not have sufficient IT personnel internally to rapidly provide us with the necessary information, which has caused a slowdown in this process and a corresponding slowdown in new orders. We have assigned additional personnel to assist our customers in this process and expect to work through the backlog over the balance of the year.

  • As Rick mentioned, we reduced our headcount in the flow instrumentation business, which will generate a $1.3 million annual savings. This was necessary to address the downturn in that business. We were pleased that we were able to implement the headcount reduction without layoffs. Instead, we were able to offer an early retirement program that achieved our desired results.

  • Now let me address a matter that has been of concern to many people over the past two months: on May 4 of this year we announced that the Company was exploring on a preliminary basis various options to enhance shareholder value. We further stated that there could be no assurance that any action will be taken as result of this exploration. We have made no additional comments since the May 4 announcement.

  • Badger Meter, like all public companies, periodically reviews options to enhance shareholder value. Such reviews are normally done on a confidential basis. Unfortunately, during this most recent process certain media outlets became aware of the process, resulting in the May 4 press release.

  • At this time we continue to explore our options and hope to have this process completed during the third quarter. I will again remind you that there can be no assurance that any actions will be taken as result of this process. We have no further comments on this process at this time.

  • However, I do want to point out that throughout this process, Badger Meter's team has remained focused on the fundamentals of our business. We have produced record sales and earnings for the first half of 2016, with year-to-date earnings up 43% over last year at this time. These strong results validate our strategic approach to value creation, and we believe that we will be able to continue to generate solid, long-term shareholder returns.

  • With that, we will be glad to take your questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Ryan Connors, Boenning & Scattergood.

  • Ryan Connors - Analyst

  • Great, thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to ask you about this -- you mentioned this issue of BEACON and the compatibility or mapping issues. Rich, is there any precedent for that type of issue that you have been through in the past -- and kind of the range of outcomes and what could potentially go wrong as you try to work through that?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Yes, when we first offered ReadCenter, which would have been over 10 years ago, which was a newer version of our interfacing software, we ran into some bottlenecks then, too, and we were able to get through them pretty quickly. The difference is that 10, 15 years ago, the number of customers that we had using automated meter reading or Advanced Metering Analytics was much smaller, and so it was much easier for us to get through them.

  • Also, when we introduced that, the demand didn't wrap up quite as quickly as it did this time. So to give you some metrics around this, we have about 140 customers or potential customers in the backlog who want to install BEACON and want to start using our products.

  • Normally, our normal backlog on something like this is about 50. Now, 50 even sounds like a lot for a normal run rate, but you have to understand, there is lot of customers who are waiting for their vendor to get them the number or get them the data so they can send it over to us. So there is always this period of time delay from the time somebody says I want to use BEACON until we can get the thing installed.

  • But we are at about 3 times the normal run rate right now. So what we have decided is we can't really -- it is impacting the business flow, but we can't really wait for the customers to go through their normal process, so we decided to increase the amount of handholding we do to help them through that process. We reassigned a few additional people over to that area so that we can focus on this. The bottom line here is I think we should get ourselves down to a normal backlog run rate by the end of the year -- which means that, yes, it may have some impact on the third quarter, but we should be able to catch up by the time we get to the end of the year.

  • Ryan Connors - Analyst

  • Okay. When you say impact on the third quarter, do you mean on that discrete piece of the business? Or you think that it will be detectable for the consolidated numbers?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Well, I think -- I mean on that discrete piece of the business, but it could have -- it could slow down sales on the ORION products where they want to use BEACON to interface with ORION. And ORION is a big piece of our sales, so it could have some impact.

  • It is a little early to say what the impact might be. All we know is that we have customers out there that say, I want to buy ORION radios; I want to install ORION radios, but I don't want to start doing that until I've got BEACON installed, mapped to my billing system, and I am sure it will work fine. And so that is the first step in making those sales of the radios.

  • Ryan Connors - Analyst

  • Got it. And the other question I just had with regard to flow instrumentation -- continued downward pressure on revenue in the quarter there. Can you give us your latest in terms of the outlook in backlog, whatever metrics you look at? Have things kind of stabilized, or are we looking at that being a continued drag over the balance of the year?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Ryan, we are not using the word stabilized. We're using the word bottomed out.

  • Ryan Connors - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • We are believing that the decrease we have seen over the last several years -- I don't believe our oil and gas can go much lower, and the overall economy in other areas has had a negative impact. We also had a couple customers that -- one of them brought a product in-house instead of using us, so that had an impact.

  • So all of those things pulled together to make a perfect storm. But we are seeing this thing bottoming out now, and we believe we're going to be able to drive some growth coming in the next half of the year and into 2017.

  • Ryan Connors - Analyst

  • Okay, that's great. Well, thanks for your time.

  • Operator

  • Richard Eastman, Robert W. Baird.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • Maybe, Rich, could you just address for a minute or two -- has there been a noted ramp in sales through American Water and that contract win when we progressed from 1Q into the second quarter here?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Right -- and the brief answer to that is no. What is happening with American Water is also what is happening with our BEACON customers. American Water has 15 subsidiaries serving 16 states. Their Tennessee subsidiary serves Georgia. So there is 15 subsidiaries serving 16 states, and each of those subsidiaries is using a particular billing system that is provided by a relatively small provider.

  • And, so, we're working with that provider to try and get that provider to map their billing system to BEACON, but that provider doesn't have a lot of resources to work with us. Another option is to bypass that provider, try to go right to the SAP system that all of these entities are using, and we're also looking at that.

  • So what I have to say to you is: we have not seen the ramp-up in American Meter that we had hoped to see this year. And, in fact, for the --.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • For the second quarter -- we are higher in the second quarter than the first, but it is ramping up slowly. Maybe there is about $1 million in the first quarter and about $1.6 million in the second quarter.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • So, based on that, you can see that it is not ramping up as fast as we had hoped, okay? On the other hand, the good news is that our current strength in the first half of this year is not driven by the American meter business that we know is coming. I am sorry -- American Water business that we know is coming that is being stretched out more. So we are not attributing the strength in the first half to that particular account, and we still have that upside potential.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • Okay, understood. And then just a quick question for Rick. The SMEGA expenses -- you did identify, maybe, the $700,000 that was involved in the review. The early retirement expense -- what was maybe the total noise in the SMEGA expense that was recorded? So we had the $700,000 plus the early retirement piece?

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • No, no, the $700,000 includes the early retirement.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • Oh, it does, okay. So that might be the one-time noise in the SMEGA expense that pumped it up a little bit.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • That is probably the one-time noise. Now, there is 1,000 other things that fluctuate through SMEGA. Healthcare is a little bit better this year, those kind of things; but the reason we cited the $700,000 for the exploration of our options and the early retirement is because those are the one-offs, so to speak.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • Okay, and then just --.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • About $0.03 a share, I think -- $700,000, though.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • Yes, okay. And then just a last question: on the utility side of the business, the commercial meters sales up 29% -- how do you look at that number? Is that an acceleration? Is that some catch up from the first quarter?

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • Rick, that's just -- it is the lumpiness of the commercial meter business. And again, last year wasn't necessarily as strong. It was actually a little bit down.

  • So it is not as big a piece, so you have got a smaller denominator to begin with. Residential is still what I call the bread and butter of municipal water sales, but it is nice that the commercial meters are there helping out. But it is just -- it is the pure lumpiness. There is nothing that we are citing. We don't make -- we don't call trends on one or two quarters.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • Sure. And would I be wrong to think that commercial meters, copper prices or brass prices down -- your pricing gain here, modest pricing gain, may have come from that? So all in all, the 29% growth rate on the commercial side would have been a positive two-year gross margin?

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes. Absolutely, although I would say it is more volume-based, but there are some higher prices in there.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • And on a comparative basis, the copper prices have an impact.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • Correct.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • And, Rick, let me throw a few numbers out to help everybody with this copper impact that I referred to. Because I have these numbers stored in my gray matter, so I will share them.

  • For the first half of 2015 -- and you can look this up on the Internet; this is public information -- for the first half of 2015, the average price of copper on the open market was about $2.75 a pound. For the second half it had dropped to about $2.30. For the first half of this year it averaged about $2.15.

  • So for the first half of this year compared to the first half of last year, we had about a 60% per pound decrease. But now, if it stays at $2.15 -- and actually it has gone up over $2.20 recently -- but if it stays there, you're comparing to a $2.30 average in the second half. And that's the point I was trying to make.

  • I don't think quarter-on-quarter run rate is going to be impacted dramatically, because the copper prices are still low. But when you're comparing to last year, that high copper price in the first half of last year had an impact on us.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • I understand. Okay. And just last question, promise. In the Middle East, have we continued to gain traction in the Middle East on the eMeter side? And what does the backlog look like there? What does the trend line look like there? And maybe just give us an update on that.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Yes, the Middle East business is dominated by large projects, primarily in the Emirates. So we continue to provide the E-Series meters to Qatar or Qatar, however you want to pronounce it; and that's good business for us, and that continues to go. The other large project that we have been awarded is in Dubai, and that will be more of a second-half type of thing.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • That was the delay I referred to as to why inventory is a little bit higher at June 30, as we are seeing some -- in our plan we had some of those in the second quarter. It is being delayed to the third and the fourth.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Right.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • Okay, okay. And that's the same product? That's the eMeter product?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Correct, that's the same product.

  • Richard Eastman - Analyst

  • Okay. Very good. All right, thank you.

  • Operator

  • John Quealy, Canaccord.

  • John Quealy - Analyst

  • First, I would say on the marketplace stuff coming out of AWWA, you know, it looks like competition is catching up a little bit, Neptune with cellular. I think Master Meter is trying to do some more deal stuff, private label.

  • Talk about the technology lead guys. Obviously, BEACON came out of the gate hot, and you're getting some growing pains here, but just talk about the overall market. How do you think the portfolio is positioned as we sit here?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • John, I still think we have the strongest portfolio in the industry in North America. We knew that the others would try to come along. We have competitors who are trying to introduce electronic meters. But if you look carefully at what they are offering, they may have only one size, and in our industry we know that you have to offer the full range of sizes to get any traction at all. So some of the may have rushed to market with one quick one that they private labeled out of China or something, and I think they're going to have trouble getting any traction.

  • The same thing on the cellular. There are people who are now running around saying, well, we have cellular too. But you have to look very carefully at that, because some people are referring to a cellular backhaul. In other words, the water meter communicates with a collector up on a tower, and then they use cellular to send all that data from hundreds of water meters back to the utility.

  • When we talk about cellular, we are talking about cellular from the water meter to the cell tower, and that there is no collector needed. There is no proprietary collector needed up on the tower. And so, first off, be very careful what people are introducing when they talk about cellular.

  • Secondly, cellular is much easier to do in above-ground applications. So you see a lot of cellular in electric and gas, because they are on the side of the house. The challenge with cellular is -- and, in fact, you can try this out, John: go down in the corner of your basement and see what kind of a signal you're getting on your cell phone. Or better yet, take your cell phone out in your yard, lift the lid of your water meter pit, drop the cell phone down in the bottom of it, and see what -- put the lid back on and try to make a call to that cell phone.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • This is all Rich does on the weekends for fun, by the way.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Yes, this is how I enjoy myself. So, my point being that our cellular radio has been designed to deal with the very, very demanding environment of the water industry. And so a lot of people are rushing out, saying, I have cellular. Well, I could put a cellular on an above-ground meter tomorrow with no problem whatsoever. It is those additional challenges of putting it under a pit lid, underwater, underground, and still being able to communicate for a decade without recharging.

  • So that is really the challenge. And so when people say, I have cellular, you really have to start questioning what they have.

  • John Quealy - Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful. Two more for me. When you talk about a bit of the backlog and bottleneck on BEACON, and I just want to be clear -- this is a BEACON to third-party API that you need to build, and you are trying to help people do it? Or is this BEACON to ORION that you're just trying to get hooked up?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • BEACON to ORION works fine.

  • John Quealy - Analyst

  • Right. Great.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • So if people install BEACON -- and it is cloud software, so when they have got it on their system, it can read their meters, and there is no challenge at all. But obviously they want to take that BEACON data and then pass it into their billing system.

  • Now, the challenge here is there are 53,000 water utilities in the United States. There are thousands of billing systems that those water utilities are using. Some of them are homegrown; some of them are mom-and-pop shops; some of them are larger companies.

  • But in each case you have to be able to take that BEACON data that has been brought into BEACON from the water meter and format in a way that the billing -- it can be passed on to be billing system seamlessly. And that's where the challenge comes in, because our people can certainly help the customer, but we need to know how their billing system works. And very often the customer is at the mercy of a third-party vendor.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • Who doesn't want to give up their code for us to do it for them.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Right, yes. So they don't want to do us for them, but they don't have the resources to do it themselves. So that is what we are really chasing. And we are chasing that on American Water, too. So even some of the larger customers have systems that are challenging.

  • John Quealy - Analyst

  • Okay. And then the last one, back to the strategic review: did the flow early retirements -- did that come out of that process? Was it lingering in your mind watching the P&L?

  • And when we hear strategic options, obviously, we all go towards sell. But talk about -- you know, could there just be an internal process realignment, change in strategy that keeps you as a public company, I guess? Or is this --?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • And, clearly, when we say that our Board is reviewing strategic alternatives, that means all alternatives. And it is unfortunate that everybody immediately jumped right away to the idea of a sale, but that's what the market tends to do. This could include the sale of a portion of the business. This could include a major acquisition. It could include a lot of things.

  • I will remind you that about four or five years ago, we did a strategic review. Obviously, that didn't become public. The end result of that strategic review was that we bought Racine Federated, and we also implemented a stock buyback program.

  • These are the types of things that the Board reviews. It is just a little unfortunate that this one became a public matter.

  • And on the other part of your question, no, the issue of the headcount reduction in flow instrumentation was entirely driven by the loss of the oil and gas business, the downturn in that business, and had nothing to do with strategic review. In fact, that plan was in place before we ever got into the strategic review.

  • John Quealy - Analyst

  • All right. Good luck, guys, thanks.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Richard Verdi, Ladenburg.

  • Richard Verdi - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys, and thank you for taking my call here. I just wanted to follow up on one of the earlier caller's questions pertaining to the energy side of the business. Rich, you had said that --.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Can you speak louder? We're having trouble hearing you.

  • Richard Verdi - Analyst

  • Yes, sorry, can you hear me better now?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Yes.

  • Richard Verdi - Analyst

  • Sorry about that, guys. So I wanted to follow up on the energy side of the business. Rich, you had said that it looks like things are bottoming here, and that makes sense. It looks like rig count's starting to bottom out. Net production is going to be -- and it could be deficient later this year.

  • So I am wondering if customer conversations are starting to heat up where we could see good strength in the second half in that business and into 2017? Or are the favorable conversations with customers just not quite being seen yet?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • I will give you some anecdotal evidence. The anecdotal evidence is: while things are bottoming out, there is still -- there is not great optimism out there for a lot of growth fast. Here -- we are being handed a note now. Well, yes, and this is important point too, thank you. Greg Gomez, our VP of Flow Instrumentation, just handed me a note that said my car lights are on. No, I'm kidding. (laughter)

  • No, he handed me a note pointing out that, first off, our third- and fourth-quarter comps are going to be easier compared to the prior year. Because we had a stronger first half, and we really got weak in the second half, so now the comps become a little bit easier.

  • But the other thing is when it comes to the energy sector, just the energy sector -- and we were doing about $1 million a month business in that sector; it had dropped down to below $0.5 million a month, so we lost a lot of it. And a lot of the meters there were being used on rigs. And so as the rig count starts coming back up again, that is going to help us.

  • The other thing is that a lot of the meters were -- we had a good piece of replacement business there. And when oil was very expensive and a meter would have to be replaced, they would simply take it off, throw it in the garbage, put a new one on to keep running the rigs. Now, over the last several years, what we have seen them doing is taking them off and rebuilding them and putting them back on. So that has impacted the business. As oil becomes more valuable, as the rigs become busier, we will probably see that replacement business pick up also.

  • Richard Verdi - Analyst

  • Okay, that's excellent color. Thank you for that. And just one last one for me. I kind of understand here there is a trend getting underway, where the water utilities were focused on implementing smart meters are, I guess, looking to join forces with the electrics to share the same network infrastructure instead of implementing a new infrastructure to save on costs.

  • I was wondering if you guys are seeing this trend; and if so or if not, how a trend like this could impact Badger Meter?

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • First, we aren't seeing the trend.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • At all.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • We have been told for 20 years that that trend might come, but what we have found in our industry is that the water utilities view their data, their customer data, as very valuable proprietary data, and they don't like the idea of working off of somebody else's system.

  • So we were told 20 years ago that we had to worry about that trend, and that's why Badger Meter needed to move into the electric metering and the gas metering business. And, of course, we didn't do that. We chose to stay focused on the water business, because that's what we were really good at. And over the last 20 years that has paid off very well for us. At this point I have not heard about any water utilities --.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • And there are a handful of municipalities that own their own electric and/or gas distribution system, where what you are saying is -- but by and large, you are really talking about investor-owned electric and gas utilities versus municipal water utilities. And there is just a cultural difference there that -- it's hard for the municipal utilities to overcome. They're always not sure of an investor-owned utility's motives in wanting to do something together.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Right.

  • Rick Johnson - SVP, Finance, CFO and Treasurer

  • That's been around for decades.

  • Richard Verdi - Analyst

  • I see. That's great color. Thank you very much, guys, I appreciate it. I will turn it back over.

  • Operator

  • I am showing no further questions in queue at this time. I would like to turn the call back to Rich Meeusen for closing remarks.

  • Rich Meeusen - President and CEO

  • Thank you. Well, I want to thank everybody for joining us today. Obviously, we were pleased with this quarter. It was a good, solid quarter. We have a lot of confidence about what we're going to see going forward and what our strategies can continue to generate.

  • As I said earlier, we do believe we have the strongest product portfolio, the best technology on the market, and Badger has been focused solely on water utilities for 110 years. It is our main focus on that side of our business, so it has allowed us to create a great deal of shareholder value, and we expect to do that going forward.

  • So with that, I will thank everybody for joining us, and have a good day.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the program, and you may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.