Blacksky Technology Inc (BKSY) 2024 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Greetings and welcome to the Black Sky Technology Q4 2024 earnings conference call and webcast. (operator instructions) It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Aly Bonilla, President of investor relations. Ali, please go ahead.

Good morning and thank you for joining us today. I'm joined by our Chief Executive Officer Brian O'Toole and our Chief Financial Officer Henry Dubois.

On today's call, Brian will provide some highlights on recent activities and give a strategic update on the business. Henry will then review the company's full year financial results and outlook for 2025.

Following our prepared remarks, we will open the line for your questions. A replay of this conference call will be available from approximately 12:30 p.m. Eastern time today through March 20.

Information to access the replay can be found in today's press release. Additionally, a webcast of this earnings call will be available in the investor relations section of our website at www.blacksky.com.

In conjunction with today's call, we have posted a quarterly earnings presentation on the investor relations website that you may use to follow along with our prepared remarks.

Before we begin, let me remind you that certain statements made during today's conference call regarding our future plans, objectives, and expected performance, including our financial guidance for 2025, our forward-looking statements.

Actual results may differ materially as these statements are based on our current expectations as of today and are subject to risks and uncertainties, including those stated in our Form 10K.

We encourage you to review our press release, Form 10k, and other recent SEC filings for a full discussion of the risks and uncertainties that pertain to these statements and that may affect future results or the market price of our stock.

Black sky assumes no obligation to update forward-looking statements except as may be required by applicable law. In addition, during today's call, we will refer to certain non-gap financial measures including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted imagery and software analytical service cost of sales, and cash operating expenses.

A reconciliation of these non-gap financial measures to their most comparable GAAP measures are included in today's accompanying presentation, which can be viewed and downloaded from our investor relations website.

At this point, I'll turn the call over to Brian O'Toole. Brian.

Thanks, Aly, and good morning everyone.

Thank you for joining us on today's call.

Beginning with slide 3.

I'm happy to report that the future of real-time space-based intelligence is now here with Gen-3. On February 18th, our first Gen-3 satellite was successfully launched into orbit and within 5 days entered into initial imaging operations.

Initial images from this advanced spacecraft are already within expected quality specifications.

This significant achievement represents a profound advancement for black sky and our industry and marks a pivotal step forward in the evolution of our space architecture by introducing very high resolution imaging to our high frequency monitoring constellation.

This new class of satellite with its 35 cm resolution and other features such as shortwave IR imaging, improved agility, and advanced communications will deliver image quality comparable to the best in the market.

This exceptional image quality now enables us to deliver new AI derived insights.

Delivered at the speed of conflict, providing our customers with new and advanced forms of space-based intelligence.

With this major milestone behind us, we are confident that this spacecraft will deliver the level of performance required to meet the needs of a rapidly evolving market.

We are now ready to move forward with a regular cadence of launches to rapidly build out and expand the Gen-3 constellation over the coming months and years.

We are on track to make this new capability available to our customers shortly.

Adding very high resolution imagery for best in class space-based intelligence.

Our global customer base has been looking forward to this capability, as evidenced by the significant multi-year contracts that are already in place and new contracts that we continue to win.

Moving to slide 4.

The speed of deployment and commissioning of the first satellite marks a new standard for the industry reducing these operational timelines from months to days.

This achievement is especially impressive for a new spacecraft of this caliber which is a testament to Black Sky's technical expertise, architecture, space technology, and proven flight experience.

The fact that we successfully moved from launch to first image in 5 days, even with this first vehicle demonstrates an architectural readiness, maturity, and resilience that will serve our customers with high performance and cost effective space-based intelligence solutions for years to come.

The imagery that we are now producing is well within our expected performance specifications. One of our key strengths is our software architecture and our ability to use automation.

To efficiently operate our constellation. This capability was instrumental and a critical factor that enabled us to already have the vehicle in fully automated operations.

Which sets us up to efficiently continue additional testing and complete commissioning operations over the next 30 days. We've already begun providing sample imagery to our customers, which is ahead of our planned schedule. We will continue to improve the already exceptional.

Imaging performance of Gen-3 as we further tune the payload and processing and ultimately lower the satellite to its final orbit.

Turning to slide 5.

The imaging performance of the Gen-3 satellite is comparable to that of recently launched satellites from legacy providers.

We are redefining the economics of space-based intelligence by producing our Gen-3 satellites at a fraction of the cost of traditional satellites while delivering new mission-critical insights, leveraging a proliferated constellation approach to dynamic hourly monitoring and automated AI.

We believe the on-orbit costs of a Gen-3 satellite are between 10% to 15% of on-orbit costs of recently launched satellites from legacy providers.

These new economics represent an efficient use of capital while providing high value solutions to our customers through a proliferated consolation.

With this low cost high performance model, we can eliminate the tradeoff between affordability and capability, allowing customers to access very high resolution, low latency data without the prohibitive expense of traditional systems.

This efficiency combined with our high frequency monitoring capability is what's driving increased global demand for our services and giving us a significant competitive advantage in the market.

Moving to slide 6.

With our first Gen-3 satellite now on orbit and its initial operations, we are on track to begin a regular cadence of launches of additional Gen 3 satellites.

Our next Gen-3 satellite is currently in the final assembly, integration and testing with plans to ship the satellite for launch in Q2.

As we have mentioned before, we have a full production line of Gen-3 satellites underway at our production facility in Seattle and are set to significantly expand our constellation with 5 additional Gen-3 satellites in 2025.

In addition, we are launching another Gen-3 satellite that is for a US government customer.

We expect to enter revenue generating operations and begin offering greater imaging resolution to our global defence and intelligence customers by mid-year.

Within the next 12 months, we plan to have a fleet of at least 8 Gen-3 satellites.

These new satellites will integrate seamlessly into our existing constellation, global ground network, and spectra software platform, dramatically increasing our revisit rates, reducing delivery latency, enhancing our image quality and capacity, and enabling new AI derived insights.

With each new deployment, we are scaling our ability to constantly improve the value we are bringing to our customers.

Now let's move on to some recent contract wins that illustrate the ongoing demand for our imaging services as more and more customers sign long-term subscription agreements to secure our capacity now and in the future.

Turning to slide 7.

I'm happy to report that we recently won a seven-year contract valued at over $100 million with an existing strategic international customer.

This contract is a prime example of how our mission critical services are becoming an essential element of national and homeland security for customers worldwide.

To meet their near term and future needs for space-based intelligence major customers are entering into long-term contracts to secure these services and guarantee their priority tasking rights in their region.

This new subscription agreement guarantees the customer assured priority access to our high resolution imagery over their region of interest for the next 7 years.

Leveraging our entire constellation of Gen-2 and Gen-3 satellites.

By securing annual capacity minimums through 2032, this contract allows the customer to lock in high kings monitoring services today.

With the flexibility to adopt new advancements as their requirements evolve over time. While providing black sky with good long term revenue visibility.

To secure priority access to the constellation, the contract included an upfront pre-payment of $32 million.

We are excited to sign this agreement and continue to build on our long-term relationship with this important customer.

Moving to slide 8.

We recently announced that we won contracts totalling approximately $20 million.

To support India's cutting edge Earth observation space capabilities. This is a major new customer and is our initial entry into a growing market in India.

These agreements include immediate subscription-based access to our Spectra’s real time.

AI powered imagery and analytic services. Plus the delivery and support of a high resolution satellite.

Once operational, the dedicated satellite will work with our dynamic monitoring constellation to deliver mission critical insights at industry leading speeds.

We are honoured to be part of India's space development efforts and look forward to a long-term and growing partnership.

Turning to slide 9.

Over the past year, we continue to make significant strides expanding our customer footprint with the US government and securing major contracts with key government agencies.

One of the most notable is the strong execution we continue to demonstrate supporting the NRO under the Electro optical commercial layer or EOCL contract. As we finished 2024, the NRO awarded us an additional extension to their subscription service.

To continue giving them access to our Gen-2 high frequency imagery services through mid 2026.

The contract also included some feature enhancements to the current service level agreement and interfaces to the US government systems.

This extension does not include access to our Gen-3 imaging services which we expect will be added later this year as Gen-3 capacity comes online.

Moving to slide 10.

We were awarded a multi-million dollar contract extension to our TACGEO contract.

With the US government's defence innovation unit.

The TACGEO program includes a dedicated Gen-3 satellite as an advanced technology demonstrator to inform future space-based tactical intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance.

Or ISR capabilities.

This contract extension expands on earlier government funded R&D work and now includes the launch and management of a customer owned Gen-3 satellite.

This contract complements our recent announcements for customer funded research and development projects.

Such as the integration of OISL or optical intersatellite links to our Gen 3 architecture.

Our portfolio of strategic R&D programs enables us to partner early with US government agencies to deliver and deploy cost effective cutting edge space-based intelligence solutions for a range of defence and intelligence mission needs.

We believe the economics of our satellites combined with these advanced technology programs are highly aligned to support the government's objectives to leverage new advanced commercial technologies under agile and fixed price acquisition models.

Turning to slide 11.

We are excited to be off to a great start to 2025. We've made great strides over the past year, achieving key financial and operational milestones and are now well on our way to our next phase of growth, building off several major recent achievements.

First, the successful launch and deployment of our first Gen-3 very high resolution satellite marks a major technological accomplishment and a key business milestone.

This next generation satellite represents a leap forward in imaging capabilities and sets us on a path for unlocking our next phase of growth.

Second, in the past few months we've secured multi-year contracts valued at over $150 million. These recent awards demonstrate ongoing demand underscores our expanding role delivering mission critical capabilities supporting customers around the world.

Third, in 2024, we achieved our first full year of positive adjusted EBITDA. This significant financial milestone underscores the strong operating leverage inherent in our business and demonstrates our ability to scale efficiently while driving towards sustained long-term profitability.

And finally, with these major achievements, we look forward to delivering a strong year of revenues in 2025.

As we forecast total revenue growth of 30% over last year.

This forecast reflects the strength of our existing contracts and the continued expansion of our capabilities and service offerings.

With that, I'll now turn it over to Henry to go through the full year financial results. Henry.

Thank you, Brian, and good morning everyone. In 2024, we continue to make strong progress toward our financial and strategic objectives.

Before I begin, let me remind you that references to adjusted imagery and analytic software cost of sales and cash operating expenses exclude stock-based compensation, depreciation, and amortization expenses, as we believe these measures represent a more accurate picture of our business without having these non-cash items obscuring the underlying performance.

With that, let's go through our full year 2024 financial results, starting with slide 13.

In 2024 we generated total revenue of $102.1 million. Our imagery and software analytical services revenue grew to $70.1 million driven by continued demand from US and international government customers.

Professional and engineering services revenue increased to $32 million driven by support provided to strategic imagery and analytics customer programs.

Turning to cost of sales, we continue to demonstrate our strong operating leverage in our imagery and analytics business as shown on slide 14.

Adjusted imagery and analytics cost of sales for the full year 2024 remained flat at $13.7 million.

As such, we were able to grow our imagery and analytics revenue by nearly $5 million with minimal cost growth. This operating leverage continues to validate our compelling business model for delivering long-term profitability.

Let's move to slide 15 and talk about cash operating expenses.

For the full year 2024, cash operating expenses were $64.9 million compared to $63.1 million in 2023.

The small year over year increase of $1.8 million was due primarily to the integration of Leo Stella, which I will speak to on the next slide.

Our disciplined cost management approach has us continually looking at ways to further streamline our operations and drive additional efficiencies in our business.

This enables us to make strategic investments in our go to market initiatives without necessarily impacting our adjusted EBITDA or long-term growth objectives.

Moving on to slide 16.

As we announced in the 4th quarter of last year, we acquired the full ownership stake in Leo Stella from our JV partner and now own 100% of the company.

This was a strategic acquisition that enables us to have full control over current and future satellite manufacturing capabilities, providing better visibility into our supply chain, production processes, deployment schedules, and long term technology roadmap.

This control is important as we embark on the rapid deployment of our Gen-3 constellation with a target of having 8 Gen-3 satellites on orbit by the end of the first quarter in 2026.

By bringing Leo Stella in-house and vertically integrating their operations, some costs that would have been capitalized if Leo Stella was still treated as a third party manufacturer now needs to be recorded as operating expense.

In the past, Leo Sella's overhead expenses such as back office support, management oversight, employee fringe benefits, etc.

Were paid for by Leo Sella from payments made primarily by Black Sky to Leo Stella against satellite production invoices.

The entire invoice payment by Black Sky was capitalized on Black Sky's books. Now, however, as we incur these costs, they are no longer being capitalized and instead must be expensed.

Now turning to slide 17.

Our full year 2024 adjusted I was $11.6 million compared to a loss of $1 million in 2023.

This was a significant milestone for us as we achieved our first full year of positive adjusted.

It should be noted that had we continued to maintain Leo Sella as a third party manufacturer for November and December, we would have reported an adjusted avatar of $13.4 million for the year.

The significant year over year improvement of $12.6 million reported was primarily driven by a few key factors. First, continued revenue growth. Second, improved margin performance, and third, responsible cost management.

We're very pleased with the progress we've made in adjusted and look forward to building on the strong performance in 2025.

Moving on to our balance sheet, we ended 2024 with $53.8 million of cash, restricted cash, and short-term investments in line with our ending cash balance in 2023.

Over the next 12 months, we anticipate receiving approximately $28 million in payments as interim milestones on a few major customer contracts are met and expected to be billed.

In addition, last month we received a $32 million cash prepayment related to a recent contract win, bringing our cash balance at the beginning of March to over $80 million.

Together with the vendor financing agreement in place to cover several upcoming Gen 3 launches and continue to adjust the IA performance, we believe we have sufficient cash and liquidity to deploy a baseline constellation of 12 Gen-3 satellites and drive to positive free cash flow.

Capital expenditures for the full year were $50.2 million slightly below our guidance for the year, primarily due to timing of payments related to our Gen 3 satellite and launch.

Moving on to our 2025 outlook, please turn to slide 18.

For 2025 we are forecasting full year revenues to be between $125 and $142 million representing a 30% year over year growth at the midpoint of our guidance range.

This growth is supported by the strong momentum we saw in 2024 coupled with the recent contract wins in early 2025, which provides us with a significant backlog.

As of December 31, our multi-year backlog was approximately $261 million and the contract wins in early 2025 grows that backlog to approximately $390 million.

With continuing revenue growth, disciplined cost management, and a full year inclusive of Leo Stella operations, we anticipate full year adjusted IBIA in 20 to 25 to be between $14.22 million dollars.

In addition, we expect capital expenditures for 2025 to be between $60million to $70 million as we ramp up production and launch additional Gen-3 satellites.

In summary, we delivered a strong year of financial performance in 2024. We are proud to have achieved our 1st year of positive adjust and look forward to unlocking new revenue opportunities as our Gen-3 constellation comes online this year.

With that, I'll now turn it back over to Brian for some closing remarks. Brian.

Thank you, Henry.

With our first Gen-3 satellite on orbit and exceeding customer expectations, we are excited to be charging ahead to drive our next phase of growth with a focus on 3 major initiatives.

First, immediately commencing a cadence of Gen 3 satellite launches to build out the constellation.

And get this capability in the hands of our customers by mid-year.

Second, expanding contracts with existing customers to unlock new revenue growth.

And 3rd, aggressively going to market to capture new major customers as part of our land expand strategy with Gen 3, black sky is at the forefront of a new era of space-based intelligence.

Combining very high resolution imagery with our high frequency monitoring and our industry leading software and AI capabilities. We are bringing destructive speed, economics, and insights.

To customers that will deliver new and advanced mission critical capabilities in real time. We are excited with the strong start to 2025 and look forward to an exciting year ahead.

This concludes our remarks for the call, and we'll now take your questions.

Daniel, Craig Hallam.

Hey, good morning team. This is Daniel on for Jeff. Really exciting on the Gen-3 commissioning going up live and quicker than expected. Maybe just talk through any implications of that, going up faster than expected in terms of the commissioning and validation and just anything you can expand on in terms of it exceeding expectations in quality just in terms of that in relation to resolution or agility, just any other color you have on that.

Yes, thanks, Daniel. Good morning. Yeah, as we outlined, just 5 days in.

We were already beginning imaging operations and From what we're seeing so far, that the image quality is exceptional and exceeding customer expectations. Also keep in mind we early on we still have more work to do in terms of tuning the payload, the processing.

Of the system and the satellite actually will be lowered into its operational objective altitude, which will further improve imaging resolution over the course of the next weeks and months.

The vehicle is performing exceptionally well. The Agility is great. That means it's going to be an exceptional collector for our customers, and I think.

Daniel, this is really a testament to a very mature.

Architecture that we have and you know because of the significant achievements we've already been able to meet on this timeline.

We are moving ahead. Our next gen 23 satellite is final phases of testing and we'll expect to launch that in the 2nd quarter. So everything's looking great and we're moving full speed ahead.

Yes, actually that's a great segue, Brian, to what I was going to ask next is just in terms of the acceleration, presumably an acceleration and launch cadence with that validation with the $60 million to $70 million in CapEx, should we interpret that as that was sort of the plan all along, or is that really sort of stomping on the gas here with the validation that it's working? That's sort of an acceleration in getting the constellation out as opposed to previously planned.

Yes, that was the plan all along. Obviously we were, we wanted to be a little conservative with the first one, but as I've mentioned, we've got a full line of these in production and we've lined up launches through. Our vendor financing elements of this, but this level of CapEx for this year was our plan all along. Henry, I don't know if you want to add to that. Yeah.

Daniel, as we've always been saying we're going to get to 6 by the end of this year. We are pulling a little bit faster into the first quarter of next year, which does have some CapEx this year, but it's all generally part of our plan.

Okay, that's helpful. And then just one last question on the on the gen 3 in terms of you mentioned optical interlinks.

I think I had been just to clarify, are you ultimately pursuing optical or radio interlinks for Gen-3 and then I take it that neither of those functionalities is on Gen-3 now, but that's in the roadmap for the coming ones.

Yes, the current gen 3 has already has some communication capabilities for on orbit. It does not currently have optical. We are, as we've mentioned in prior calls being funded under a number of R&D programs to explore that type of capability and that type of communication capability will likely be integrated into a future tranche of Gen-3 satellites.

Okay, and then just the last question for me, just on jumping back to Luno A, is there any sense at this point of how that will ramp in terms of the task orders that you're starting to see come through, or is it still too early to gauge the magnitude of that?

It's still a little early. We are encouraged. We're starting to see task orders move through the system, so it is a new program. So, sometimes those new programs take a few little bit of time to ramp up, but we're starting to see some movement.

Thanks and congrats on the launch, guys.

Thanks, Daniel.

Greg Burns, Sidoti & Company.

Morning, when we look at the mix of revenue this quarter, the imagery piece is a little bit lighter than we were expecting and I guess the flip side, the, professional and engineering services was higher. Why, what was holding back, imagery revenue growth this quarter and when we look into the guidance for next year.

What does that consider in terms of the mix of revenue and that 30% revenue growth?

Yes, thank you, Greg. That's a good question. I think the largest impact to imagery and analytics last year was the transition of the NGA EIM contract into Luno.

We had been performing extremely well in the years prior to that and driving revenue growth through that contract. The transition to Luno took longer than expected and that transition from EIM had a slight impact. That's the largest impact to that to that line last year.

And in terms of the guidance, what, how should we think about what is the mix of revenue that you're expecting next year? Like what are the growth rates you're looking for on imagery versus engineering?

I think just as a reminder, some of these engineering projects tend to have quarter to quarter variability, so you know you've seen that consistently over the last couple of years. We still have a very strong amount of revenue coming from that professional services line. I think as you see Luno ramping.

In the first half of the year and we start delivering Gen-3 capacity, you'll start to see.

We expect to see the Improving performance in that part of our business. It's also important to point out that those professional and engineering professional engineering services are tied to our imagery and analytics customers which have subscription agreements. So, these things are linked and early professional engineering. Activities generally tend to be driving towards later imagery and analytics.

Revenues, and these are long term very sticky contracts.

And thank you.

Josh Sullivan, the benchmark Company.

Hey, good morning.

Morning Josh.

Leo Stella overhead impact, just how do you think of that margin impact long term or maybe what should the ramp look like over the next two years so that's absorbed.

Yes, I think Josh, I'll throw it over to Henry, but you know we've really only been operating that company now for a few months.

We expect to gain some operational efficiencies there over time, as well as continued improvement in our overall cost and economics related to our satellites.

And so, It was a very strategic acquisition in the sense that we now have Control over the entire operation and high visibility into supply chain and also importantly is the technology roadmap that's driving our future space capabilities. So net, you're seeing some near term.

Impacts as we absorb expenses, but long term this was a really good move. So I know Henry, do you want to add any more color?

Yes, just kind of getting to the specifics, Josh, as you kind of map it out, as I said in the remarks, the primary difference in the growth in expenses in 2024 versus 23 of about 1.8 related to the integration of Leo Stella in the last two months of the year. Those are costs that are actually had we not integrated them, we probably would have, they would have been categorized as more CapEx because.

Leo Stella would have incurred those costs, but they would have recouped those costs in the invoices they sent to us. So, we've got a little bit of a geography difference on the financial statements going from OpEx to CapEx.

Now with that said, as we go through the full integration, we do expect to be able to kind of optimize our operations and streamline and kind of bring those things back in line so we end up getting some real synergistic savings in here as well as obviously the strategic benefits that Brian was just mentioning.

Got it. Okay. And then maybe just switching over to kind of some headlines just around intelligence sharing, does that impact any contracts in your view?

We're not seeing that. I think we're just seeing growing demand both in the US and internationally.

As a reminder, we These are long term subscription contracts which reflects the needs for our customers to have access to our capability on a daily basis and so, that's the nature of this industry.

And you know this is an exciting time for us and we're seeing that demand reflected in the In the large number of contracts, these multi-year agreements and the continued expansion with these important customers.

Got it. And maybe I'll just ask a different way, are you seeing any difference in contracting since the new administration is coming in January? Obviously, more an emphasis on commercial-based models. I'm just curious, what you've seen since January in the market.

Well, it's pretty early. I think, we've secured a lot of long term contracts which has us in a great position. We are very excited. In that black sky is really ideally suited for where the government wants to go long term, and that's leveraging.

Cost effective solutions that are delivering significant value, leveraging technology and other capabilities, and we are really well positioned to capitalize on that as it moves out over time.

Alright, thank you for the time.

Chris Quilty, Quilty Space

Thank you. So Brian, I guess first you were right. I was wrong 5 days is impressive. So congratulations.

Henry, I know the guide here. I know, your guidance for next year obviously implies whatever step up you may be seeing from the EOCL contract as you bring more Gen-3 online.

But can you remind us, like is that contract, and I know we don't know the details of it, but as we model out, is it, do the revenues step up associated with Gen 3 sort of accrue on a satellite by satellite basis, i.e., there's a nice steady ramp in the revenues with that, or are there sort of stair steps built into it. That that trigger large step ups and I'm just trying to figure out the revenue progression as I look out into 25 and then how that progresses out into 26.

Like by the end of 25 how much of the contract value might we have step up value might we have captured.

Yes, Chris, Brian, so I think There's a couple of things we've talked about this in the past.

We are selling our services under a service level agreement for the entire constellation, so it's not on a satellite by satellite basis and then the way the contract is structured.

Think of it as a set of layered subscription services and so right now. We have a base subscription with the US government that as we announced just got renewed out into 2026 for Gen 2. That's going to continue through 26.

The government can award us additional subscription packages that are already in the contract that layer on top of that and so that's where you begin to see a step up as those additional layered services come online and as we mentioned, as we bring Gen 3 capacity. Online we are expecting to see that a step up of additional packages later this year.

Great, I have to ask the question. I mean with the doge cuts going around and you've got some, at least exposure on the NASA side, where do you think you might have any exposure from or your customers might have exposure?

Right now from a regulatory perspective, we have everything we need. Obviously it's a fluid situation so we're monitoring that very carefully as normal as normal course.

Got it. And I guess final question just on the margin profile looking at 2025, obviously there's an assumption of both costs rolling off or rolling out of CapEx into OpEx as satellites are brought online but are there any other large step ups in cost we should model for 25?

Chris, we've been consistently holding our costs fairly flat as relative to our revenue growth, and so you can expect that going forward. This year and next as we move forward, so We're just at this point.

Going to continue against that model and the operating leverage we have and driving higher revenues and delivering that to the bottom line through increased performance.

Great and thanks for the higher granularity on the launch plans that that's helpful for modelling purposes. I appreciate It.

Yes, thank you, Chris.

Edison You, Deutsche Bank.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking our questions. Just first on the growth, 30% for 2025, obviously a acceleration. Any way to dimension how much of that is new contracts Versus existing?

Edison, good morning. Thanks for the question. .

Yes, a lot of the growth this year is coming from expansion of existing contracts.

We are expecting to begin to ramp new customers. Later in the year as Gen-3 comes online, but if you think about our recent contract wins, winning Luno is yet to really ramp.

We built significant backlog last year and over the over the course of the last few months, which, there's well over 100 million in backlog.

So, that gives us very strong visibility into the growth forecasting for 25.

Then it said and then separately on the capital needs, if I kind of do some rough math on I guess the liquidity and some of these payments, you're getting to maybe over $110 million do we need to raise any more money to insure some type of cushion, going forward on, Gen 3?

Edison, this is Henry.

As we said in the in the remarks, when you take a look at the liquidity we have available to us, the cash on the balance sheet, and as I said, as of early March it was over $80 million. The financing we have from for some of our launches from our vendor and also from the assets we expect to collect and in addition to that positive adjusted IA performance, we believe we've got sufficient.

Liquidity to get to our baseline constellation of 12 satellites. So, I think we're in pretty good shape right now. I believe we're able to execute against our plan with what we have. We could always be opportunistic, but I mean I think we're in a good shape.

Got it. And just one long term one, as you think about Gen-3, it seems to be coming on a bit faster.

Do we have any sort of confident, or do we have a maybe a line of sight into maybe the phasing of how fast we can recognize the contribution from Gen-3?

Well, I think I think we're seeing a significant demand Edison, and so.

It's kind of reflected in what you're seeing with these long term contracts with the OCL, the international.

The agreement we just signed. Remember we signed a very large international agreement last year or the year before, which is worth north of $150 million. So, I think we're excited that as we add more and more of those customers over time, we're going to begin to Increase that that backlog, those multi-year agreements, and a lot of that future growth is ready to be unlocked as we as we get these Gen-3 satellites online.

Great, thank you.

Jaeson Schmidt , Lake Street Capital

Hey guys, thanks for returning my questions. Just curious, with Gen-3 contracts, if you're seeing sort of that price lift or lift in overall contract size that you had expected to see kind of with this new capacity.

Yes, I think the growth we're seeing is in line with what we expected. This is a significant new capability when you're combining very high resolution with high frequency and low latency delivered delivering of AI enabled insights.

This is exactly what the market is looking for right now as real-time intelligence is critical and so, this new capability.

It is very significant to our customers and we're seeing them sign up for long term agreements to ensure they have access to it for years to come.

Okay. And then just as a follow up along what you just said, are most of your conversations today with customers for gen 3 capacity, or do you still have a lot where Gen-2 capabilities are good enough?

Gentoo is obviously you've seen our growth from Gen-2 over the last couple of years and so there is significant value in Gen 2 and they're continuing to buy that.

That's reflected in the US government's extension of our EOCL contract into 2026 for that capability. The high frequency, low latency.

That we can offer through that constellation is an extremely important capability and so we're seeing customers continue to buy that, but they're also excited about what happens when Gen 3 gets integrated over time.

Understood. And then just a final question I'll jump back into going back to one of the previous questions on kind of professional services and sort of a big jump in Q4, when we start to think about 2025, do you expect professional services revenue to be up from 2024?

Jaeson, this is Henry, and in Q4 2024 we had the delivery of a feature set, if you will, that's going to enable one of our subscription customers to utilize their imagery more effectively as they go forward so that actually is highly supported.

A long term customer base there. So, I mean that's the reason why we had that for some work that we've been doing and been able to leverage as we go forward we've always said that we would expect to maintain some professional services and engineering services because that that helps us get the long-term subscription contracts.

And we would expect to be able to have some growth a little bit of growth in that as well. We would expect that imagery and analytics will grow faster in the long term, but in 2025 you're going to kind of maintain a mix here.

All right perfect thanks a lot guys.

Tim Harran, Oppenheimer.

Hey guys, so how much more can the imagery improve from where it's at now and in the orbit and, can you just update us how much faster you delivering the images now and Maybe just on the AI front, are you seeing major improvements in your ability to analyze these images?

Yes, Tim, yes, as I mentioned, It's pretty amazing that within 5 days we're producing images of this quality. We will continue to tune the payload and the processing over the coming weeks.

And as we will lower this a little further to improve the resolution, so it's already exceptional and it will just get better from here.

I also Out in my remarks that the Gen-3 satellites integrate seamlessly into our existing ground and software capabilities, so the speed of delivery, latency, and the exceptional customer experience, we begin to deliver right out of the box.

We're in great shape there and then The AI capabilities as we're just still early in evaluating these images.

We are working the AI element in parallel, and As we expected, the value we're going to be able to pull out of these images at this resolution combined with our AI capabilities is going to be a really important capability for our customers, so we're really excited for what we're seeing already there.

And if the demand is there, will you go beyond 12 satellites, potentially how many can you go to longer term and are you starting to work on generation 4 satellites at this point?

Yes, I think we, Tim, our model is we would expand the constellation over time as the market demand meets. We've always been targeting about an hourly revisit frequency capability.

And so that's dictated the size of this constellation, but as customer demand increases, that's a great part of our model is that we can add incremental capacity as we need it without having to overbuild.

So, we're excited about that and of course, we are a space technology company, so we are continually always investing and looking ahead and Software, AI and our space capabilities.

And just Henry, just two financial questions for you. So, what do you expect the Leo Stella impact to be for 25? Sorry, I got lost there with the numbers a little bit. And then can you give us a sense of how revenue pas, throughout the year, what or I guess, what should we be kind of expecting in the first half versus the second half?

Sure, Tim, I mean regarding Leo Seller, as I said in 2024 we had about $1.8 million dollar increase.

In cost over 2023, primarily driven by the integration and that is a movement from a kind of a cap what would have been a CapEx to what is now in OpEx because of the ownership structure.

That was for the time period in the November December time period. We would expect over time that we would be able to kind of continue to kind of get efficiencies out of that and hopefully bring that in line so we don't have as big a hit as we become more efficient, but the strategic nature also is quite important to us.

But again, from a cash perspective, it's more of a Geography place that's where it shows up on our financial statements as opposed to an impact on cash. So that, that's kind of on that one on kind of the revenue ramp, yes, we would expect, Imagery and analytics to ramp more in the second half of the year as we get more 3s up.

This first Gen-1 Gen 3 is great and kind of shows the capabilities, but we need to be able to get to kind of a minimum viable offering with about 4 satellites which would be expected to start sometime in the second half of the year, early second half of the year, and so that would be expected to see that ramping then.

Thank you.

Scott Buck, HG Wainwright.

Hi, good morning, guys. Thanks for thanks for the time. Brian, I guess a bit of a follow up on one of the earlier questions. As some of your customers lock in this longer term capacity.

Do you have the ability to start raising prices on those that are, a little longer to wait, or do you go straight to, trying to build out more capacity?

Well, I think, Scott, the way we're seeing it is, We're able to deliver Gen-3 delivers a lot more value to customers with the improved resolution also.

Keep in mind there's a short way by our capability, so this enables us to grow our accounts over time the economics are compelling but also are.

In line with our business model, so where we're excited is our ability to deliver higher value services cost effectively to customers that are interested in long term engagements.

Okay, that, that's helpful. And then, just my second one, in terms of CapEx and satellite or 3 satellite production, any risk that potential tariff talk could increase the CapEx requirements? I mean, are you sourcing from any outside the US.

We understand our build materials on these satellites. We have long lead capability already in place and so we're not seeing that there will be an impact.

Okay, that's it from me guys, thanks a lot.

Thanks, Scott.

Dave Stormers, Stonegate.

Morning and thank you for taking my questions. I just want to start with the aggressive backlog increase. Would we expect to see a rapid burn of that backlog once you hit, any early gen 3 milestones? Is there a critical mass that we should have in mind of satellites up that maybe start a burn in that backlog?

I don't. We're not seeing that there will be a critical mass of satellites that drive a significant.

Step up, but maybe I think I'll throw it over to Henry because there is a positive implication relative to some of the unveiled aspects of our balance sheet.

Dave, when you take a look at our backlog.

With what we had at year end and with the contracts that we just were awarded here in the first two months of this year, our backlog would stand at around $390 million in total. Of that $390 about $100 million of that would be expected to be realized here in 2025.

So, that gives us a pretty good base to be working off of and then the rest of that backlog will go out in 206, 207, etc. So, we're feeling pretty good about where that is and how that ramps up, and the revenue recognition I was mentioning is based on kind of where we expect to be in terms of satellite deployments.

Understood. That's great.

Thank you. And then just one more for me with the contracts you're bidding on with your Gen-3 satellites, aside from pricing, do they have any, favourable milestones or terms that you can request compared to, some of the Gen-2 satellites contracts?

Well, I think the, well, I think first off, we are seeing customers wanting to lock in long term.

The $100 million contract we just one reflects that where customers are also willing to sign up for guaranteed annual minimums related to that and then in that case, particularly in regions of high demand.

You saw under that contract customers willing to pay upfront to secure their priority rights, tasking rights in those regions. So, I think what you're seeing reflects the demand for Gen-3 and the interest of customers signing up for that long term.

I'll also say, we we view relationships that we have with these customers as part of a long term relationship.

And things that we're doing in places like Indonesia and now India tied to hybrid solutions is a very exciting opportunity for us and so.

We, the way to think about this is we are aligned with these customers for a very long journey to grow and grow and accelerate their space-based intelligence capabilities over time.

So, thank you and Good luck in 2025.

Thank you.

Austin Moeller, Canaccord Genuity.

Hi, good morning, Brian and Henry. So, just my first question here if we were to compare and contrast the Leo Stella acquisition and integration to acquisition of SSL, would you consider the key differences there to be you're primarily building your own satellites at cost, and the satellites will be much less complex and time consuming to build, kind of similar to Spire's vertical integration.

Yes, I think the way we look at Leo Stella is it's not an acquisition to get into the hardware business.

Gen-3, as you can see, is a As a strategic capability and having the ability to control cost, drive efficiencies, and produce those at scale is really the main driver behind that. We did not acquire that business to go into the lower margin hardware business.

This is about driving high margin imagery and analytic services through. A disruptive space capability that we're seeing in Gen-3.

Great. And just to follow up, if we think about what you might do for Gen-4, do you have any thoughts on very low Earth orbit satellites and sort of the puts and takes of that in terms of how long the satellites are able to last versus the performance?

It's a good question. I, I'll say a couple of things. I think, we have a lot of experience and kind of where you want to ideally operate up there and you're seeing that reflected.

In Gen-3 when you balance performance versus risk, we are continuing to invest and look at where we're going in the future, but right now, we got the first satellite up. We're going to focus on getting more and getting that into service.

Excellent thanks for the details.

Yes, thank you.

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