使用警語:中文譯文來源為 Google 翻譯,僅供參考,實際內容請以英文原文為主
Operator
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Black Hills Corporation 2011 fourth quarter and full year earnings conference call. My name is Janayda and I will be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Following the prepared remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes.
I would now like to turn the presentation over to Mr. Jerome Nichols, Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications of Black Hills Corporation. Please proceed, sir.
Jerome Nichols - Director IR & Corp Communications
Thank you, Janayda. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Black Hills Corporation 2011 fourth quarter and full year earnings call. With me today are David Emery, Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and Tony Cleberg, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Before I turn over the call, I need to remind you that during the course of this call, some of the comments we make may contain forward-looking statements as defined by the Securities and Exchange Commission, and there are a number of uncertainties inherent in such comments. Although we believe that our expectations and beliefs are based on reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. We direct you to our earnings release, slide 2 of the investor presentation on our website, and our most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a list of some of the factors that could cause future results to differ materially from our expectations.
I will now turn the call over to David Emery.
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
Thank you, Jerome. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for your attendance this morning.
For those of you following along on the webcast presentation, we will give slide numbers periodically, so you will know which slide we are speaking from. On slide 3, an agenda here, similar to previous calls, I will cover fourth quarter and full year highlights and review of our accomplishments. Tony Cleberg will go over the financials for both the quarter and the full year. And then I'll talk about strategy and forward-looking information on new projects.
But before I start with the specific discussion of some of the webcast slides, I want to comment on our 2011 earnings as disclosed in our earnings press release issued late yesterday. As a result of our January 18 announcements regarding the pending sale of our energy marketing business, our 2011 financial statements will reflect energy marketing as discontinued operations. However, since the announcement of that sale occurred subsequent to year end, in our earnings release we also presented a non-GAAP adjusted earnings per share number for 2011 that included energy marketing results. We did that for the purposes of more accurately comparing 2011 results against the prior year, and also against our previously issued earnings guidance.
So on that basis, our 2011 earnings per share as adjusted and including energy marketing was $1.92 per share, a 6% increase compared to $1.81 in the previous year. As you might recall, following a real challenging first quarter of 2011, we revised our initial earnings guidance of $1.90 to $2.15 downward $0.20 per share, to $1.70 to $1.95. We later even narrowed that range further. We are very pleased with the achievement of $1.92 per share, which not only represents the 6% improvement against 2010, but it is also within the lower end of our original guidance range, I think despite a very challenging start to the year. So throughout the webcast slides, as I mentioned, energy marketing will be presented as discontinued operations. But I felt it was important to provide you some perspective on how we are viewing our earnings performance in 2011 without the noise, if you will, of the discontinued operations discussion.
So starting on slide 5, fourth quarter summary, our income from continuing operations as adjusted were $19.7 million, compared to $17.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2010, an increase of nearly 13%. That was driven primarily by strong performance in our Electric and Gas utilities and some slight improvement in our Non-Regulated Energy businesses as well.
On slide 6, 2011 full year income from continuing operations as adjusted was $67.7 million, compared to $64.8 million in 2010, for an increase of 4%. That increase was driven primarily by strong performance in our utilities, partially offset by lower results from our Energy Marketing Group.
On slide 7, highlights for the utilities in 2011, we made significant progress on several key strategic goals during the year that will yield some significant earnings growth in 2012 and beyond. Notably, we completed Colorado Electric's 180 MW power plant in Pueblo, Colorado on time and on budget. It began serving customers on January 1. The rate increase associated with the plant was effective on January 1, as well. That project had an extremely aggressive construction timetable. We literally completed all construction in less than 18 months. And while we are pretty proud of that, we're even more proud of the fact that our safety incident rate on that project was more than 75% below the national average for projects of that nature. We are very proud of that. In addition, our first month plant availability was just slightly under 100%, which is phenomenal for a new power generation facility.
We also made, during the year, substantial progress on other utility growth initiatives. Colorado Electric, we received approval for and commenced our 29 MW wind project. We also continued the regulatory approval process to construct a third utility-owned 88 MW gas turbine at our Pueblo generation site. That process is still ongoing. At Cheyenne, Wyoming, we announced a joint facility in that will be owned by Cheyenne Light and Black Hills Power, 132 MW, $237 million plants. We are in the process of seeking a certificate of public convenience and necessity for that facility now, and expect hearings to commence at the end of July. Finally, we are also advancing several transmission projects in our utilities, the two largest of which are in Colorado, at a $45 million to $50 million total for those transmission projects underway.
On the non-regulated area for 2011, really our year there was highlighted by a refinement of strategies in three of our four non-regulated energy businesses. In oil and gas, we have been undergoing a complete strategy and business review. We completed that, as announced last year, and recruited a strong new leader who joined the Company in mid-December. Our Mancos shale test drilling program in Colorado and New Mexico showed extremely promising results, and we will talk about that more later. We did book some significant reserve quantities at year-end. And importantly, after a couple kind of challenging years in the E&P business, and this one continued, but notably, our volumes sold were up 4% for the year. And our crude oil volumes, driven primarily by our Bakken shale activity North Dakota, were up 20%.
Energy Marketing, we announced the decision to divest of our energy marketing segment on January 18. We still expect to close that prior to the end of the first quarter, and expect net cash proceeds through the closing process to total $160 million to $170 million.
On the independent Power Generation side, we completed Colorado IPP's 200 MW project for Colorado Electric, our utility. Again, on time and on budget. It was put in service on January 1 as planned, and has a 20-year power purchase agreement with our affiliate, Colorado Electric utility, which has been approved by the Colorado PUC. That plant also had first month availability just slightly under 100%,which again is very excellent for the first month of operation on a new power plant.
At our Coal Mine, we made substantial progress during the year in reducing our costs and improving financial results. At year end, we fulfilled a third-party train load-out contract, and that was the contract that was our worst contract, as far as economics go. We lost approximately $4 dollars a ton on that contract in 2011. That contract is terminated. We made the strategic decision, after their contract expired, to focus almost exclusively on a mine mouth strategy at the coal mine. We idled our train load-out facility and implemented a 17% workforce reduction associated with the decrease in production.
Moving on to slide 9, corporate highlights for the year. We did recognize non-cash unrealized mark-to-market loss on our interest rate swaps of about $42 million in '11; that was compared to only about a $15 million loss in'10. We also completed several key debt and equity financings during the year. And on February 1 of this year, we refinanced our $500 million revolving line of credit on very favorable terms. Notably, in both 2011 and then recently in 2012, we increased our dividend to shareholders.
And most recently in January of this year, we increased the dividend to $0.37 a share, equivalent to an annual rate of $1.48. That increase represents the 42nd consecutive year of dividend increases for the Company, a track record we're extremely proud of.
I will now turn it over to Tony to comment on the financial statements. Tony?
Tony Cleberg - EVP and CFO
Thank you, Dave, and good morning.
From a financial standpoint, our full year for 2011 improved over 2010, even with the earnings shortfall that we saw in the first quarter. Our first quarter earnings per share as adjusted, and excluding energy marketing, was $0.10 below the prior year. So we feel good about our progress over the last three quarters, and the fact that we finished $0.02 ahead of 2010. In my comments, I will continue to address both the fourth quarter and the full year.
Moving to the earnings per share analysis on slide 11, consistent with prior periods, we adjusted our net income to display a non-GAAP earnings measure that we feel better communicates our relevant performance. Special gain and loss items are excluded to compute net income or earnings per share as adjusted. This slide displays the last five quarters and the full year for 2011 compared to 2010. The only special item included in the fourth quarter of 2011 was the addition of $0.02 for the non-cash unrealized mark-to-market loss on the $250 million of interest rate swaps. So with that adjustment, the quarter's earnings per share as adjusted from continuing operations was $0.46 per share, compared to $0.44 for 2010. Looking at last year's fourth quarter, the reconciliation included a $0.44 reduction for an unrealized mark-to-market gain on the same interest rate swaps.
Our full year continuing operations as adjusted was $1.69, compared to $1.67 for 2010. The discontinued operation line includes our energy marketing segment, which we are divesting, and also the discontinued operation excludes indirect corporate expenses related to energy marketing. These are now charged or reclassified to continuing operations, which is a GAAP requirement. At the bottom of this slide, the earnings per share impact is shown for reclassified expenses. So with these adjustments, the full year net income as adjusted is $1.92, compared to the previous year of $1.81.
Slide 12 displays our 2011 and 2010 income statement, both for the fourth quarter and the full year. For the fourth quarter, our GAAP income from continuing operations declined by $16 million, driven by improved operating income of $5.3 million and reduced interest expense of $1.7 million, all of which is offset by the large swing in the mark-to-market valuation on the interest rate swaps. Last year, fourth quarter had a $26.5 million gain on the interest rate swaps, compared a $1.4 million loss this year.
Continuing down, the tax rate for the quarter was 35.6%, compared to 31.6% in the fourth quarter of 2010. And that is due to the 2011 not benefiting to the same extent from permanent tax differences. Looking at the full year performance, operating income before the gain on sale of assets improved by 7%. The interest expense was flat and the mark-to-market changes on certain interest rate swaps resulted in a $26.8 million loss compared to 2010. Other income declined primarily due to lower AFUDC equity income.
Continuing down the income statement, the full year tax rate of 31% compares to 26% in 2010. Last year's income tax benefited from an IRS settlement that accounts for about three points of that five point difference. Both years benefited from the regulatory requirement that required us to flow through the tax benefit related to certain expenditures that had been previously capitalized for tax purposes, albeit 2010 had a larger benefit and accounted for most of the remaining two points difference.
The discontinued operations includes the energy marketing business and, as you can see, it improved significantly year-over-year, and exceeded our expectations in the fourth quarter. The segment was still underperforming on a risk-adjusted basis, which is a big part of our decision to divest.
Looking closer at operating income, slide 13 displays our segment roll-up of operating income for both the quarter and the full year. The Electric Utilities recurring operating income in the fourth quarter improved by $2 million, or 11% year-over-year, and that reflects the benefits of earning returns on increased rate base and increased megawatts sold. The overall retail megawatts sold during the quarter increased by 2.6% compared to 2010. The off-system megawatts sold increased by 40%. With the low energy prices, the increased off-system power sales increased margins by $600,000 in the quarter compared to 2010. Also, the quarter included $700,000 of a catch-up adjustment for off-system sales margins that had been deferred and settled as part of the Colorado Electric rate case. Overall, off-system sales margins for the full year increased by $300,000 compared to 2010.
In looking at the year for our Electric Utilities, operating income, excluding the sale of assets, increased almost 17% over 2010. This is just reflecting earning returns on prior capital investments. That is the primary driver.
Moving to Gas Utilities, operating income improved 7.3% in the fourth quarter compared to 2010. Retail decatherms sold decreased year-over-year by 1.5%, primarily driven by warmer weather in the latter part of the year. So operating income improvement was driven by earning returns on prior year's capital investments and lower expenses.
For the full year, operating income, excluding the gain on sales of assets, it increased 15%, driven by rate settlements and lower costs. During the year we made great progress on safety, which had a positive impact on workers comp claims and lowered our expense.
Moving to Oil and Gas, for the quarter we were at about breakeven in operating income. But this is an improvement of $2.7 million from 2010. During the quarter, overall production increased 13% from 2010, with oil sold increasing 39% and natural gas increasing 6%. The average hedged price received was flat from 2010 for natural gas and was higher by $16 a barrel for oil. Overall, the revenue increased by 46%.
From a cost perspective, depletion increased $3 million in the quarter compared to 2010, and production taxes increased $1 million. The depletion includes a $4.3 million true-up that was $1.6 million higher than the fourth quarter of 2010. The higher cost associated with the Bakken drilling program was the major contributor to the increased depletion rate. For the year, operating income was down about $2 million compared to '10, resulting from 12% lower price on natural gas on flat volume, partially offset by a 20% increase in oil production, with a 5% improvement in price.
The next segment, Power Generation, we saw the operating income increase by $800,000 for the quarter and by $1.2 million for the year, compared to 2010. The increase was attributable to lower expenses and better coal plant availability in 2011.
Moving to the next segment, Coal Mining, the operating income declined by $2.2 million from 2010 as a result of higher mining costs, partially offset by increased pricing for a portion of our production. We have had various cost issues at our mine throughout the year, and the third-party fixed price contract which was under water by about $4. During the quarter, the final shipments were made under this contract and exceeded the previous quarter by 200,000 tons. So we lost an extra $800,000. It contributed to sequentially increasing our quarterly loss by about $500,000. Fortunately, this contract expired at year-end, and with the various initiatives implemented during the year, we expect a substantial improvement in operating income from coal mining in 2012.
Moving to our capital structure, slide 14 shows our capitalization. We feel our present capital structure supports our needs through 2012. Our net debt to capitalization ratio at the quarter end was 57%, which is a little higher than we would like to be. But with the new generation in Colorado and the proceeds that we expect out of the Enserco divestiture, our credit metrics will improve quickly. In addition, we closed a renewed credit facility this week. We renewed early because the pricing was better and the five-year term gave us much better flexibility.
The last point I would like to make is in the press release, we reaffirmed our 2012 guidance range of $2.00 to $2.20 that we issued on January 18. And although we have some downward price movement since then on oil and gas over the last week, we are reaffirming that range.
So to conclude, we are pleased with the overall financial performance in the fourth quarter and the full year. And particularly with the continued strengthening that we're seeing in the utility segments. And as we consider our guidance for 2012, we are encouraged by the year-over-year improvement we expect to achieve.
And with those comments, I will turn it back to Dave.
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
Thank you, Tony.
Moving on to slide 16. During the past several years, we've accomplished a major transformation of the Company, from being primarily driven by non-regulated assets and earnings, to now being driven by much more stable assets and earnings. Our strategic accomplishments over those last several years provide much more focus on our core utilities, power generation and fuel production businesses, which in turn provide more stable future cash flow and earnings, as well as earnings growth for investors.
Slide 17 is just an update to our strategic initiatives timeline. This is provided to give you an estimated timing with regard to many of our key projects and initiatives.
Slide 18, our clearly defined investment program will drive strong future earnings growth, with nearly $1 billion in capital spending planned for 2012 and 2013.
Slide 19 provides a detailed breakdown of our key long-term growth opportunities for the 2012 through 2015 timeframe. This slide doesn't include maintenance capital expenditures or other smaller projects, just primarily focuses on what we would deem large, growth-oriented type projects. It has been updated also to provide a little more timing detail for you on some of the announced projects, as far as which year those expenditures will occur and to what amounts.
Slide 20, regulatory approval in Colorado. We received approval from the Colorado Public Utilities Commission for the rate case associated with our new utility power plant for our Colorado Electric utility. Those rates, as I mentioned earlier, went into effect January 1 of this year, the same day as commercial operations of the new power plant.
On other fronts in Colorado, we have an electric resource plan that we expect to file in the second quarter there. That resource plan will deal primarily with how we intend to meet the renewable portfolio standards in the state of Colorado. Having just completed two new power plants, the need to do a lot of additional resource planning around base load or peaking facilities has been mitigated quite a bit. So that plan will focus primarily on renewables.
As I also noted earlier, we're still in the regulatory process on this proposed 88 MW turbine that we would like to add at our Pueblo complex. That is the replacement facility for the W.N. Clark coal-fired plant in Canon City, Colorado that we agreed to retire under the Colorado Clean Air Clean Jobs Act. We are in the process of working our way through the regulatory process there. Expect a ruling from the PUC, hopefully sometime this month, which will give us a little more clarity. We do have the right to own the replacement resource for the Clark plant, the 42 MW that we are losing there. So regardless of the outcome of this specific hearing, we do still have the right to own that replacement resource. And we will see how the regulatory process plays out over the next month or so here.
Slide 21. Our 2012 earnings growth is going to be driven largely by two new natural gas-fired generation projects that started serving our Colorado customers on January 1. I won't reiterate those two projects again, but I will reemphasize that we had an exceptionally short construction schedule on this facility. Literally, 18 months start to finish. The projects were completed on time, on budget and with a phenomenal safety record, and excellent first month availability. So, truly speaks volumes of the quality of our power generation construction and operating team. They are the literally world-class.
Slide 22, we received approval during 2011 for, and we are proceeding with, our 29 MW wind project for Colorado Electric. As you can see, we are about halfway through the process of awarding construction contracts and procuring materials and expect to start construction soon, as weather permits, with the intent of having that facility completed and in service prior to year end.
Slide 23, other regulatory updates. I mentioned previously that on November 1, Cheyenne Light and Black Hills Power filed a joint request for a certificate of public convenience and necessity to build a new facility 132 MW project in Cheyenne, Wyoming. That generation serves two purposes. One is replacement of some older coal-fired generation in Black Hills Power that we will have to retire under new EPA regulations, which I will discuss shortly. And then also to meet growing demand requirements, particularly in the Cheyenne, Wyoming area. We have an initial hearing date set at the end of July on that CPCN. Assuming approval, we would expect to have the plant completed and commercially available by the second quarter of 2014.
And then finally, on December 1, Cheyenne Light filed an electric and gas rate case requesting an additional $8.5 million of increase in annual revenues there. That case is not related to the proposed new power plant. It is just related to cost increases since our last rate case in Cheyenne.
Moving on to slide 24, new EPA regulations governing air quality on power plants and industrial facilities have received a lot of attention over the last year or two. Two of those rules have specific impacts on our facilities. One is what is called the Boiler MACT rules, which covers smaller utility boilers and primarily industrial boilers. Those rules were effective May of this year, with a March, 2014 compliance deadline. Based on those regulations, we anticipate retiring three of our smaller coal-fired units at Black Hills Power, for a total of about 82 MW. All those facilities are 60-plus years old, have little to no remaining book value, and cannot be economically retrofit to meet the new pollution control standards. As I mentioned earlier, we would replace those resources with the proposed gas-fired unit in Cheyenne and Black Hills Power's proportionate ownership of that facility.
The new Utility MACT rules, which were issued on December 1 and have yet to be finalized with publication in the Federal Register, which I think is supposed to occur this month, will be effective in approximately three years. We are evaluating the impact of that final rule on our generation fleet, but our initial analysis suggests that only our Neil Simpson II coal-fired plant, which was placed in service in 1996, will require any additional upgrades to be compliant with those emissions standards. Still doing some preliminary engineering work on that, but estimate a $30 million to maybe $50 million or a little more capital cost associated with bringing that facility into compliance. We will provide additional details as we make decisions along the way on our plans to bring that facility into compliance.
Slide 25 provide details regarding the impact of various new EPA air emissions regulations, and we provide that just for your information. I won't spend much time on it today.
On slide 26, an oil and gas update. We have finished drilling and completing our three Mancos formation test wells, two in the Piceance Basin of Colorado and one in the San Juan Basin of New Mexico. This slide provides detailed well test information and reserve information for the three well drilling programs. Now, the well results have met our initial expectations and gross reserves average more than 6 billion cubic feet per well. One of the three wells was not completed and tested in time to book reserves prior to year-end; but despite that, we still included a total of more than 42 billion cubic feet of gross reserves from the two producing Mancos wells and five offset proven undeveloped locations in our year-end reserve study. We do expect to book additional reserves associated with that third well sometime in this first quarter of 2012.
Moving on to slide 27. As we have discussed previously, our 74,000 acres of oil and gas leases in the San Juan and Piceance Basin include nearly 460 potential Mancos formation drill sites, based on 160 acre spacing per well. Our targeted well cost for an ongoing Mancos drilling program were in the $1.30 to $1.40 per net mcf equivalent basis. Our leases are held by production from other zones, and they won't expire as long as we maintain that production. So unlike other operators in many of the shale plays, we are not forced to drill sub-economic wells just to hold leases. And in the way of ongoing plans, in the third quarter of this year, we intend to commence a single rig drilling program in the San Juan Basin, targeting the drilling of four additional Mancos wells before year-end. We probably won't have all four wells completed and producing by year-end, but hope to have at least two finished. We believe these wells will still generate an acceptable return on our investment, even at current natural gas strip prices. And they play a very important role in continuing to assess the very large potential opportunity we have with our holdings in the Mancos shale.
Slide 28 is our 2011 scorecard. As a reminder, this is our way of holding ourselves accountable to you, our shareholders. At the beginning of the year, we try to set out our key strategic initiatives and goals for the year, and then monitor our progress as the year progresses. We had an excellent year in 2011, completing many key objectives. Slide 29 is a new scorecard for 2012, laying out our key goals for this year.
And finally, slide 30. In summary for the year, 2011 was a very good year for us. We were very focused on serving our customers and building shareholder value. We refined our strategy and business mix. In the Oil and Gas area, we announced a new strategy, much more focused on some limited oil exploration in our Mancos shale development. At our coal mine, as I discussed earlier, we made the decision to discontinue train load-out sales and focus primarily on mine mouth operations there. And we divested our Energy Marketing business -- or made the decision to divest our Energy Marketing business.
During the year, we had very strong execution on several key major projects that will drive earnings growth, notably the two power plants in Colorado that will serve our electric utility there. We also announced during the year over $300 million in new growth projects slated to be completed in the 2013 and 2014 timeframe that will also help us drive strong earnings growth. We are very well-positioned to take advantage of future opportunities. So all of these things, I think, will help us provide solid long-term earnings growth and good shareholder return for our shareholders well into the future.
That concludes my remarks. I would be happy to entertain any questions, if anyone has some.
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Michael Worms, BMO Capital.
Mike Worms - Analyst
Thank you. Good morning, Dave,Tony. How are you doing?
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
Good, thanks.
Tony Cleberg - EVP and CFO
Good morning, Michael.
Mike Worms - Analyst
Good morning. A question I have is, related to the press release where you discussed the Colorado rate decision, you mentioned that you received an additional $17.5 million for other costs, including purchased power and transmission. I assume the purchased power part of that piece relates to the merchant plants at Pueblo as well.
And then the other question would be regarding transmission. Exactly what was the transmission project? And why wouldn't transmission be included in base rates rather than in the other category?
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
The answer is, on the IPP, the purchase power definitely includes the impact of the new 20-year power purchase agreement that we have with our own IPP subsidiary. And one of the things that we did through the rate case and worked this out with the staff and others is that things like additions to transmissions, fuel and other things will not be included in base rates, and that we will deal with them essentially entirely in the riders, or cost pass-through mechanisms. So some of the newer transmission projects and things will go through in that account, if you will, or that portion of our rate structure, rather than be included in base rates. And some of that relates to the timing of the projects and other things.
Mike Worms - Analyst
Okay.
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
And then future additions. You know, if you recall there in Colorado, there is a provision that allows us to do future additions to the transmission system and recovery a return on those without going back through a general rate case.
Mike Worms - Analyst
Fair enough. Thank you. And then the other question I had was regarding the coal business. It looks like in the fourth quarter, O&M expenses went up dramatically over the same period in 2010. And so could you just discuss that a little bit? Is that just a continuation of the cost pushes you had at the coal mine?
And then secondly, I think Tony was suggesting that earnings would improve for coal in 2012. I was just wondering if you could give us a little bit of color around what the drivers will be and how we should look at the cost structure of the coal business in 2012?
Tony Cleberg - EVP and CFO
Let me take the last question first. The main thing there, Michael, is by, in effect, having this contract expire at year end, if you take $4.00 times 1.7 million tons, we should get that improvement right away.
Mike Worms - Analyst
Okay.
Tony Cleberg - EVP and CFO
And then, we have got ongoing efficiencies, things that we have done to try to reduce costs. So we expect not the same kind of improvement, but some nominal improvement for those also.
Mike Worms - Analyst
Okay. Fair enough.
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
As far as fourth quarter expenses, Mike, one of the drivers there is we moved significantly more overburden in that quarter than we did in the prior year. Coal tonnage was similar, but we did move quite a bit more overburden in that quarter, which will drive cost.
Tony Cleberg - EVP and CFO
Yes. I think our shipping ratio went up to 2.9 versus 2.6. So that really gets at it.
Mike Worms - Analyst
Okay. Thank you very much.
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
One of the things we have done, which also I think speaks to 2012 coal mine expectations, and we mentioned it briefly in our webcast presentation materials, is that we have applied for a new mining permit at Wyodak, which essentially allows us to kind of reverse the order in which we mine a portion of the coal mine. And what that will do is it will allow us to, in the next few years, mine some lower overburden areas of the mine. And then in a couple of years, when we have a price reopener on one of our larger contracts that we discussed a little bit last year, we will be back into the higher overburden areas, but our revenue will be higher as well. So it allows us to kind of match up the timing of our mining expense with our coal prices at current levels.
We are in the process of amending that permit. We hope to have approval in the second quarter, and maybe be able to commence different mining operation in the third quarter which will also reduce expenses, primarily just to overburden.
Mike Worms - Analyst
Okay. Thank you very much.
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
You bet.
Operator
(Operator Instructions)
At this time, I'm showing we have no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Dave Emery for the closing remarks.
David Emery - Chairman, President, CEO
All right. Well, thank you. We certainly appreciate everybody's time today and your interest and continued interest in Black Hills. Have a good weekend. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Have a good day.