Bgc Group Inc (BGC) 2024 Q2 法說會逐字稿

Greetings. Welcome to BGC Group Incorporated second quarter 2024 earnings call. (Operator Instructions) Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Jason procedures, Head of Investor Relations. Thank you. May begin.

Thank you, and good morning. We issued BGC's second quarter 2024 financial results press release and the presentation summarizing these results this morning prior to market open. You can find these at ir.bgcg.com. Except as otherwise specified, any historical results provided on today's call compare only the second quarter of 2024 with the prior year period, and we will be referring to our results only on a non-GAAP basis, which includes the terms adjusted earnings and adjusted EBITDA.

Please refer to today's press release, investor presentation, supplemental tables and our website for additional details on our quarterly results and for complete updated definitions of any non-GAAP terms, reconciliations of these items to the corresponding GAAP results and how when and why management uses them as well as relevant industry or economic statistics.

The [outlook] discussed today assumes no material acquisitions or meaningful changes in our stock price. Our expectations are subject to change based on various macroeconomic, social, political and other factors. None of our targets or goals beyond 2024 should be considered formal guidance. Also remind you that information on this call contains forward-looking statements, including without limitation, statements concerning our economic outlook and business.

Such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties which could cause our actual results to differ from expectations. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update any forward looking statements. For a complete discussion of the risks and other factors that may impact these forward-looking statements. See our SEC filings, including, but not limited to the risk factors and disclosures regarding forward-looking information in our most recent SEC filings, which are incorporated by reference.

Now before opening the call, I would like to take -- I would like to address some recent inaccurate statements made by FMX by the CME. Mr. Duffy, the CEO of the CME, mistakenly spoke about the Mexican clear US treasuries in the UK. We are not FMX UST identically like the CME's BrokerTec clears US treasuries at the FICC in United States.

The LCH is a fully approved CFTC derivatives clearing organization and holds $225 billion of interest rate swap margin, which is available for cross-margin efficiencies against futures. This is consuming more than the approximately $37 billion at the CME holds. So for futures on your perfect offsets for interest rate swaps and FMX SOFR futures will produce enormous cross-margin efficiencies against the much larger LCH collateral pool which the to CME does not have access. Over time, we expect our cross-margin efficiencies to be many multiples of theirs.

With that, I'm happy to turn the call over to Howard Lutnick, Chairman of the Board and CEO of BGC group.

Thank you, Jason. Good morning, and welcome to our second quarter 2024 conference call. With me today is Sean Windeatt, our Chief Operating Officer; and Jason Hauf, our Chief Financial Officer. BGC delivered record second quarter revenues and adjusted earnings with continued growth across our business and geographies. Our revenue growth of 12% delivered earnings growth of over 19%, demonstrating BGC's operating leverage.

Higher revenues, along with improved profitability in our FMX and Fenics businesses contributed significantly to our profit growth and margin expansion in the second quarter. We are excited about FMX, which continues to outperform its peers. FMX UST. volumes were up 37% and FMX FX was up 30%. FMX together with clearing partner.

LCH has full CFTC approval to open our futures exchange. Together with our 10 partners Bank of America, Barclays, Citadel, Citi, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Jump Trading, Morgan Stanley, Tower Research and Wells Fargo, we look forward to the launch of SOFR futures, the largest notional futures contract in the world in September next month. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Sean.

Thanks and good day, everyone. Our second quarter revenues grew by 11.7% to $550.8 million, representing record second quarter revenues and reflecting broad-based growth across all geographies. BGC generated strong double-digit revenue growth across its three largest businesses, rates, ECS and foreign exchange. Total brokerage revenues grew by 11.3% to $493.5 million. Rates revenues increased by 15.1% to $166 million, reflecting higher volumes across interest rate derivatives, including our euro, US dollar and new Yen rates businesses.

ECS revenues grew by 19.3% to $117.7 million, driven by strong organic growth across the business. Foreign exchange revenues improved by 14.7% to $88.9 million, driven by emerging markets products and G10 options volume. Credit revenues increased by 5.4% to $69.4 million on higher trading volumes across European emerging markets and US credit products, partially offset by lower Asian credit activity.

Equities revenues decreased by 10.4% to $51.4 million due to lower equity derivative trading volumes, partially offset by higher cash equity derivative. Data Network and post-trade revenues improved by 14.1% to $30.8 million, driven by broad-based revenue growth across Fenics market data, Lucera and [capitalab]. Turning to Fenics. In the second quarter, Fenics revenues grew by 9.7% to $137.3 million, driven by higher electronic trading activity as well as strong improvement in data, network and post-trade subscription revenues.

Fenics Markets produced revenue of $115.1 million in the second quarter, an increase of 7.5%. This growth was driven by strong electronic foreign exchange credit and rates volumes along with higher Fenics market data revenues. We're excited about our ECS business, which will provide future electronic growth opportunities for our Fenics Markets business.

Our Fenics growth platforms generated second quarter revenues of $22.2 million, up 22.4%, driven by portfolio match, Lucera and FFX. portfolio match more than double the US credit volumes versus a year ago, an increase in European volumes by nearly fivefold.

Lucera revenues grew by 16%, its 18th consecutive quarter of double-digit year-over-year revenue growth. Lucera continues to expand its customer base and deepen its existing customer agreements adding to its recurring revenue base. FMX includes the world's fastest growing cash US treasuries marketplace and its spot foreign exchange platform, along with its fully approved US futures exchange.

FMX is challenging, the CME's monopoly in US interest rate futures and its leading position in cash US treasuries and spot foreign exchange. FMX UST produced record record market share of 30% for the second quarter, up from 28% last quarter and 23% a year ago. FMX UST average daily volumes improved by 37% versus the prior year period, achieving new record ADV of $47 billion for the second quarter. This translated to revenue growth of 34%.

FMX FX average daily volumes improved by over 30% versus the prior year period on record ADV of $8.1 billion. FMX FX continues to grow faster than the overall market and is expected to significantly grow its market share in the enormous global foreign exchange market.

Turning to our outlook, I'm pleased to provide the following guidance for the third quarter of 2024. We expect to generate total revenue of between $505 million and $555 million as compared to $482.7 million in the third quarter of 2023. We anticipate pretax adjusted earnings to be in the range of $110 million to $127 million versus $101.9 million last year.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Jason.

Thank you, Sean, and hello, everyone. BGC generated total second quarter revenue of $550.8 million, reflecting growth across all geographies, Europe, Middle East and Africa, revenues increased by 14.4%. Americas revenues increased by 9.5%, and Asia Pacific revenue increased by 7.9%.

Turning to expenses. Our compensation and employee benefits under adjusted earnings increased by 13.1%, driven by higher revenues as well as an increase in newly hired brokers and new business lines. Non-compensation expenses under adjusted earnings increased by 5.1%, driven by higher selling and promotion, communications and interest expense.

Moving on to our profitability, increased across all earnings metrics during the quarter. Our pretax adjusted earnings grew by 19.2% to $125.8 million with a margin of 22.8%. This is our 15th consecutive quarter of year-over-year margin expansion. Post-tax adjusted earnings increased by 14.7% to $114.7 million, and post-tax adjusted earnings per share improved by 15% to $0.23 per share. Our second quarter adjusted EBITDA was $162.4 million, a 20.2% improvement.

Turning to share count. Our fully diluted weighted average share count for adjusted earnings was $496.8 million during the second quarter, a 1.7% decrease compared to the second quarter of 2023. BGC continues to expect its fully diluted weighted average share count to remain approximately flat for the full year 2024, excluding acquisitions or extraordinary transactions. As of June 30, our liquidity was $759.1 million compared with $701.4 million as of year end 2023.

WITH that, operator, we would like to open the call for questions.

Thank you. (Operator Instructions)

Patrick Moley, Piper Sandler.

Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So starting off, maybe, Howard, you could just elaborate on Jason's remarks and where you viewed the inaccuracies in the comments made by the CME. And then when it comes to FMX or LCH, potentially looking to clear US treasuries, I don't know if that was ever in the cards that you'd look to do it in-house? I know that you'd mentioned potentially looking to strike a similar partnership like the CME has with the DTCC, if you were going to offer margin offsets with treasuries. But maybe just update us on your thoughts and any future plans that FMX could have and offering treasury offsets.

Okay. So let's start at the beginning. FMX and the LCH have all approvals necessary for us to open in September with Silver futures that will clear with the LCH, which is a fully approved CFTC derivatives clearing organization. Fully approved, we've done no and it survives and our expectation is we're opening in September. They clear interest rate swaps as well, and they will be doing cross margining between futures contracts, transacted on the FMX cleared with the LCH and interest rate swap collateral of which they have 97.8% of all dollar based swaps or collateral in PLCH.

So that cross margin efficiency is $225 billion of collateral. The CME has $37 billion of collateral. So sort of the LCH is 6.5 times more and that dollar based as well. So they have even more than that, because some of the $37 billion by the CME is not dollar based, so it's ever more. So we think that will create enormous efficiency. So that has nothing to do with clearing US treasuries at all. That was not in the cards, that has nothing we pursue, that is not a discussion. Obviously, FMX US treasuries, which announced that has 30% market share today clears those US Treasuries exactly the same way as BrokerTec at the FICC in America.

So I couldn't figure out whether it was just a complete misunderstanding or just a confusing sort of set of statements to trying to baffle people as we open because we got lots of phone calls about it. It makes no sense so again, FMX and the LCH have all approvals to open in September, which is kind of like, it's almost August. So it's in the quarter, we're in the months ahead is after August to September. There is nothing in our way, we are fully approved and ready to go to open SOFR futures, which will have wonderful cross-margin efficiencies against the LCH, the one pipe clearing model, which we have discussed.

It will bring beautiful efficiencies, taking nothing away from the CME is $20 billion of efficiencies, but think about it. They have $37 billion in collateral and they offered $20 billion of efficiencies, what's called out above just about 50%, when LCH has $225 billion, you have all sorts of -- we all sorts of numbers. So almost any way you compare it, you will see that the LCH has the opportunity to offer vast amounts of capital efficiencies and cross margin. Anyway you slice. So I hope that helps.

No, definitely. Thanks for clearing that up. But going back to FMX and some of the comments you just made about nothing being in your way launching in September. I'm assuming that's kind of a done deal. Have you set a date yet? And are there any potential bogeys at all that could push that out. And then once you launch, what kind of the KPIs are you looking to disclose? And could you share any updated milestones that investors should be looking out for whether it's volumes or open interest for market share that you're expecting to get to?

Well, as I've said in the past, this is a marathon, not a sprint. When we open for business, there is nothing about the Tuesday we open or the Thursday, that is fundamental. This is the first year is the objectives for the exchange to get all players on the field. There are 50 or so FCMs in the world, we have to onboard them all, get them all up and running. I have to speak to all the clients, of course, will our partners be ready to trade. sure. Well, the rest of the client base of the whole wide world, I think that will take some time.

So let's say our objectives are at the end of the first year. You have all players on the field by all lines open all accounts open. And we will -- it's our expectation that we will have a record open interest for a new exchange ever. So that's our objective to have record open interest at the end of the year one of any new exchange ever. And the year two, we are going to build volume, we're going to build connectivity, we're going to make sure every client is trading or volumes or they're going to then build and build.

And then year three is going to be full on full boat, everybody ready, everybody connected, all things go and we would expect full on a competitive position of FMX and the CME in years three. So that is a process. It is a steady process. So it doesn't really -- it is not fundamental to us in our coordination with LCH, which day we opened in September. That's not really saying, could there possibly be something that pushes it out in a I'm not the kind of person that would say everything is impossible, but I wouldn't be saying September to wasn't completely our expectation that we'll be opening in September.

And I think we're ready. LCH is ready. We're ready. I'm sure there are as you know, my technology people and everybody are hustling around dotting eyes and crossing [t's]. So I can't say right now, every single bow is tied and shoe laces ready to go, but they all know September is not that far away. And I think we are confidence would be the right answer that we will have a wonderful opening with more prices than people imagine. But I do want to temper people's expectations. Our objective is not to say Tuesday of our opening week is like the most important day, is not. It is the beginning of a process of bringing fundamental competition to a market that is 100% at the CME today.

Right. If you look at an interview I gave to the Financial Times in 2007 when the CME and CBOT had announced a merger, right. I said, well, that creates two monopolies because you had the CME's monopoly on silver futures and the Chicago Board of Trade's monopoly on treasury futures. And that would combine them into monopolies under one roof. Both of those are going to now have competition, coming from FMX. And we think with the efficiencies of our partner and the LCH and the extraordinary backing by these 10 enormous successful and wonderful partners of the best banks and trading firms in the world, I think you're going to see extraordinary competition, but that is delivered over next three years, not on any particular Tuesday or Thursday.

Okay. All right. So maybe if we switch to 2Q, and I'm just going to keep asking questions. I know I've been flying solo on the call here over the last couple of quarters if there's anyone else in the queue. This financing question just kick me off after this one, and I'll hop back in the queue. But on the quarter, you mentioned in the deck that Fenics UST revenues were up 34% year over year. I think last quarter, you said that you'd expected to see a step-up in revenues just from the partners switching over from variable fee plans to subscription plans, which I believe occurred on May 1.

So just curious if you have any sense of how much of that growth in UST revenues that fee plan change contributed? And then broadly speaking, prior to the formation of FMX, I think you were tens of millions away from breakeven. Just curious on where FX is today in terms of the breakeven point and if not today, when do you think you'd expected FMX would be breakeven?

So remember, FMX is US treasuries, cash foreign exchange, both growing wonderfully and futures, which is yet to open and all of the expenses of a full bore a futures exchange that can open in September, which means every person needs to work at the exchange of standing map, all the computers standing. Everything is ready, turned on and looking and it's been that way since we had our CFTC approval because, obviously when the CFTC approved you, you are then allowed to open the next day. So you have to have everything ready. So we are suffering those expenses until we open.

And then when we open our objectives are to bring in volume. We're not going to charge a lot of money, and that's not the kind of thing. So I would expect FMX will be in the black at the end of the year. I would expect that we had a partial period in the second quarter. So that will improve obviously in the third quarter but the economics of their bump initially was not designed to have a big bump in our profitability. It was designed for us to have a bump in volume, which will then be a magnet for growth.

So we have not seen that yet. It's you can see our market share growth was consistent with how it has been. We went from 23% to 30%, that's 7 points market share in the whole year. So we've averaged just under 2 points and we've had 2 points market share each of the last couple of quarters. So that remains consistent, we're happy with that. But we think that may well be a step transaction coming over the next couple of quarters if and when the banks start to put a little pedal to the metal on a company that they have a substantial stake in.

So I think a benefit is coming, but we expect FMX have nice growth in profits -- nice growth, sorry, in revenues. Bringing the whole thing to breakeven, even though we're not really going to be charging very much at all for future. So I think it bodes extremely well for the profits. It's important to realize that FMX is competing with a $70 billion organization. Our market cap is between $4 billion and $5 billion.

And we bring such an incredible type of competition, the likes of which obviously the CMA has never seen and that it actually has caused them to comment both on their own conference call and on television basically to talk about FMX, almost the whole time. So I mean, I think that's just incredibly and telling about what is coming. The LCH has $225 billion of cross margin efficiency together with FMX and its connectivity to all the banks, and all those banks participating really brings enormous, enormous opportunity.

So we're really, really excited about things and where they're going. But in the near term profits are going to be attractive for the company, 11.7% revenues and 19.2% profit growth. We said we will expose how well the company is doing going forward. We are doing it this quarter. We expect these kind of gearing and margins to continue. And we feel very, very confident and very positive about our future and the value of FMX, and you haven't seen nothing yet.

Okay, great. And then looking at looking at the back half of this year, revenues in the first half of the year were just running right at 10%. You'd said that you expected revenues to finish the year with about 10% growth. You got a pretty tough comp in the fourth quarter. Revenues were up, I think 18% year over year, and it was a record fourth quarter. So just curious if you could -- is that 10%-plus growth in revenue this year, is that still what you're expecting on a go forward basis? Do you think that is still achievable?

Look, I mean, Patrick, it's Sean. As you've seen in Q3, like Q3 mid guidance, 9.8% over the 16.3%. And mid guidance for profit. So that's Q3. Q4, yes, it's -- you quite rightly say a more challenging, because the marketplace is changing, the marketplace continues to evolve. You see -- look at the growth that we had in our main products in ECS and 19% a rate of 15%. So -- and then we guided midpoint 9.3. And therefore, we feel confident in and around those levels at 10%, as we've said, as we said at the end of Q1, as we say, again. So it is around those levels for sure.

Alright. Thanks, guys. That's it for me.

As a reminder, this star one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to ask a question. We will pause for a brief moment to see if there's any final questions. No further questions at this time. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Lutnick, for closing remarks.

So the one comment I'll sort of make is when I look at our stock, that obviously the stock has performed admirably over the last almost year and half. But the fact is we are performing at the top 20% of the S&P 600, and that's an index we're in. And the other companies that perform consistent where we are. With revenue growth of 10% or 11% profit growth, something like 19% and that kind of thing. Those companies trade at 30 times earnings. And we trade at 10 times earnings. Now, if you go and look we're about 30% off the bottom. So we trade about 30% all up off the bottom of the S&P 600.

The other companies who trade at about 9 times or 10 times earnings, they have a revenue growth of negative 1%. So pure trading priced like companies that traded negative 1%, right, which I think is just a very attractive price for entry for people to buy our stock, which may be why you see the company buying back its shares swiftly. So it's about just giving a sense of the way we think about things, and that's why we're buying back stock because it just seems that comparison of who thought our performance is at a much higher level than where we're trading.

And I think that's a great opportunity for people who are thinking about buying our stock to enter now because that doesn't even count FMX, which is just an extraordinary opportunity on the horizon. So we look forward to we had great performance last year. We've had excellent performance so far this year, I expect that the company is going to continue to perform going forward and those who own our stock, including all of our employees and our management will have a wonderful experience in the stock. But thank you all for joining us for this quarter, and we look forward to updating you along the way.

Thanks, everybody. And we'll see you for the opening of FMX in September. Thanks, very much.

Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.