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Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the KCAP Financial, Inc., Third Quarter 2014 Earnings Conference Call. An earnings press was released and distributed earlier today. If you did not receive a copy, the release is available on the Company's website at www.KCAPFinancial.com in the Investor Relations section.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded today, Wednesday, November 5, 2014. This call is also being hosted on a live webcast, which can be accessed at our Company's website, www.KCAPFinancial.com, in the Investor Relations section under Events. In addition, if you would like to be added to the Company's distribution list for the news events, including earnings releases, please contact Jamie Lillis at 203-428-3223.

Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections and we ask that you refer to KCAP Financial's most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that would cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. KCAP Financial does not undertake to update its forward-looking statements unless required by law.

I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Dayl Pearson, President and Chief Executive Officer of KCAP Financial. Mr. Pearson, you may begin.

Thank you, and thank all of you for joining KCAP Financial for a review of our third quarter 2014 results. This afternoon, I will review some of the important highlights and activities from the third quarter as well as provide some context for our direct lending business and the performance of our asset manager affiliates.

I will then turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Ted Gilpin, who will provide a brief recap of our second [sic] quarter operating results and our financial condition at the end of the quarter. We will then open the line for your questions at the end of the call.

A presentation outlining a few of our key accomplishments in the quarter can be found on the IR section of our website.

First, let me provide a brief recap of some of the important highlights from the third quarter, which are summarized on Page 3 of our earnings presentation. In the third quarter of 2014, our net investment income, or NII, was $0.25 per share, compared to $0.24 in each of the first and second quarters. Our third quarter shareholder distribution was $0.25 per share, unchanged from the second quarter.

I would now like to discuss performance of our loan and securities business and asset manager affiliates in more detail. As I mentioned on our last call, after a slowdown in the second quarter in quality deal flow, activity picked up in the third quarter. Specifically, as can be seen on Slide 4, we invested $22.3 million in new originations in the third quarter at an expected coupon of approximately 11%.

We also continued to increase the yield on loans and KCAP senior funding by investing in higher-yielding middle-market loans. In the third quarter, we invested $15 million in new senior loans, with an average yield of 5.9%.

As a result of our investment activity and our continued rotation out of placeholder assets during the quarter, our weighted average yield on our debt securities portfolio increased slightly to 7.8% in the quarter from 7.7% in the second quarter and 7.3% in the fourth quarter of 2013.

As shown on Slide 5, the diversification strategy continues to make KCAP less dependent on income from both our CLO portfolio and distributions from the asset manager business.

As you will remember, last year's third quarter NII was adversely affected by significantly deleveraging of older CLOs. While deleveraging was comparable this quarter, our NII was stable given our reduced reliance on that income stream.

In the third quarter of 2013, our debt securities portfolio contributed 29% of total investment income. By the third quarter of this year, that had increased to nearly 40%, a 30% increase in the contribution rate over the course of one year.

We continue to strive to produce a healthy balance between our three main sources of investment income.

Subsequent to quarter end, we raised $23.9 million in equity through a public offering. We see good opportunities to put this to work in our direct lending business and further enhance our overall portfolio yield. In the meantime, we have invested these proceeds in placeholder assets as well as repurchasing $10.4 million of our high-coupon convertible bonds.

The equity raised, combined with retiring of this expensive debt, increases our overall debt capacity to add lower-cost leverage, further benefitting the Company.

While we continue to see good deal flow in the middle market, pricing continues to be challenging in both senior and junior capital investments. As always, we continue to maintain our credit standards and will not sacrifice credit quality in order to make short-term income goals.

Let me now turn to our asset management business. Turning to Slide 6, our asset management business continued to perform well. In the third quarter, the AMA closed Catamaran CLO 2014-2, a $465 million CLO. The ability of our AMA to originate new CLO funds speaks to the rationale and success of the Trimaran acquisition.

Regulators have recently announced new rules for risk retention in the CLO business. These rules will not go into effect until November 2016. Based upon our preliminary analysis of these rules, we believe that the Company will be able to comply with these rules and continue to grow our asset management business in the future. Some of these details are still not clear and we're working out specific solutions over the course of the next few months.

In terms of the market for our new CLO funds, the environment has remained strong throughout 2014, with near record volume of new CLO issuance. In the past month or two, AAA spreads have widened out, which has made it a little bit more challenging for new CLOs to get funded.

As of September 30, 2014, our weighted average mark-to-market value to par on our debt securities portfolio increased to 99, compared with 96 in the second quarter.

As far as CLO portfolio, our weighted average mark-to-market value to par was 69 as of September 30, 2014, a slight decrease from the weighted average mark-to-market to par of 70 for the second quarter.

Our 100% ownership of our asset manager affiliates was valued at approximately $79 million at September 30, 2014, based on their assets under management and prospective cash flows.

Our investment portfolio at the end of the second quarter totaled approximately $442 million.

Looking at the composition of our investment portfolio, our portfolio quality continues to hold up well, with no new assets on nonaccrual.

At the end of the third quarter, debt securities totaled approximated $265 million and represented about 60% of the investment portfolio. First lien loans now represent 64% of the debt securities portfolio and junior loans 15%.

At September 30, 2014, we had one issuer on nonaccrual status, representing less than 1% of total assets. During the quarter, we sold two loans that were on nonaccrual status and a third has made payments, which removed it from nonaccrual status. As a result, nonaccruals now represent at cost less than 1% of our investment portfolio, a positive trend.

All CLOs managed by KDA and Trimaran continue to be current on equity distributions and management fees. Five of the managed funds are now paying incentive fees to the asset manager affiliates.

This stable income stream from our asset manager affiliates allows them to make periodic distributions to us. In the third quarter, there was a distribution of $3.1 million.

Additionally, as of September 30, 2014, our asset manager affiliates had approximately $3.3 billion of par value assets under management, which is up 1% from the second quarter.

As always, we continue to evaluate our equity and debt financing options, which will allow us to focus on continued balance sheet growth, increasing net investment income and dividend distributions.

All in all, we are pleased with our third quarter results and the momentum which our business has into the fourth quarter. And now I'll ask Ted Gilpin to walk through the details of our financials.

Thank you, Dayl. Good afternoon, everyone. I would like to start by covering some of the higher-level financial information and go into a little more detail on specific metrics.

As of September 30, 2014, net asset value stood at $7.67, up 2.1% from $7.51 at the end of 2013 and unchanged from the end of last quarter.

The Company declared a $0.25 distribution in the third quarter, which is consistent with the level paid in the first and second quarters of 2014.

Net investment income was $8.4 million, or $0.25 per basic share, for the third quarter of 2014, up from $0.24 in the first two quarters.

Interest income on our debt securities for the three months ended September 30, 2014, was $5.4 million, or $0.16 per share, compared to $5.17 million, and $0.15 per share, for the quarter ended June 30, 2014, and compared to $3.7 million, and $0.11 per share, in the third quarter of 2013.

As Dayl mentioned earlier, investments which we have made in our direct lending platform have resulted in an improved balance across our three main sources of net investment income. And as a result, our debt securities portfolio has expanded as a percentage of total investment income and today stands at 39% versus 29% of investment income in the third quarter of 2013.

Distributions from investments in CLO securities were $4.8 million, or $0.14 per share, in the third quarter of 2014, which is down slightly from second quarter of 2014, which was $4.9 million, or $0.15 a share; and down from $5.4 million, or $0.16 a share, in the third quarter of 2013.

Our asset manager affiliates distributed $3.1 million to KCAP Financial, or $0.09 per share, in the third quarter of 2014, which is slightly up from the second quarter's distribution of $3 million, $.09 a share, and compared to $3.3 million, and $0.10 a share, in the third quarter of 2013.

These three revenue components resulted in total investment revenue of approximately $13.7 million for the third quarter of 2014, up from our second quarter results of $13.2 million.

The Company recorded net realized and unrealized depreciation of approximately $123,000 for the third quarter of 2014, as compared to net realized and unrealized appreciation of $4.2 million, or $0.13 per share, during the second quarter of 2014.

As Dayl mentioned, in September our asset manager closed Catamaran CLO 2014-2, a $465 million CLO, and we continue to see momentum in the CLO space. The additions of Catamaran CLO 2014-1 and 2014-2 have helped to replace some of the natural runoff in assets under management and have positively impacted the fair value of the asset manager affiliates, supporting NAV as well as our quarterly shareholder distributions run rate.

On the liability side of our balance sheet, as of September 30, 2014, our debt outstanding was approximately $192 million, consisting of $49 million of convertible notes with a five-year term and a fixed rate of 8.75%; $41.4 million of senior notes with a seven-year term and a fixed rate of 7.375%; and a $102.5 million debt securitization financing transaction which has a stated interest rate that resets on a quarterly basis based upon the then-current level of the benchmark three-month LIBOR.

Our asset coverage ratio at quarter end was 231%, above the minimum required 200% for BDCs.

As Dale also mentioned, subsequent to the balance sheet date we issued 3 million additional common shares, resulting in net proceeds of $23.9 million. Some of these proceeds were used to retire a portion of our 8.75% convertible notes, leaving $38.6 million of the convertible notes outstanding and reducing our total debt to approximately $185 million.

On a pro forma basis, our assets coverage ratio moves from the 231% I mentioned earlier to approximately 250%. This illustrates our capacity to issue additional debt under more favorable terms.

For additional information regarding the above metrics and our third quarter results, please refer to our 10-Q, which was recently filed. It's available online with the SEC and from our website, KCAPFinancial.com. We'd now like to turn it back to the operator to answer your questions.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Greg Mason, KBW.

Great. Good afternoon, guys. First, on the asset manager. The incentive fees from the five CLOs -- can you talk about kind of that level and the expected future pace, given that we've been out of the reinvestment period for one to two years on those five CLOs?

And are they winding down? And what will that do to the incentive fees you've been receiving?

Hi, Greg; it's Ted. I think through 9/30 we had approximately $4 million of incentive fees for the first three quarters. Obviously, if they get called or when they pay down, that'll come forward and actually increase at the call date.

They've been going out longer than we expected, so it's been continuing -- essentially the rate we have now we've had for a while. To the extent that they lengthen out in terms of their life, then we'll continue to get that. When they get called, there'll be an increase when it gets called.

Remember, we don't have to distribute everything out of the asset manager, so depending on when those calls come and when the increase comes, they'll either get trapped there for a while or -- we'll make that determination at the time.

Great. And that leads into my next question. I know you used to report the EBITDA of the asset manager. I don't think we've seen that a while. Can you talk about how that is trending relative to the dividend that has been realized on the income statement?

Yes. On an EBITDA basis, I think it's fairly similar to what it has been. As you know, they had -- I don't think much changed. Assets under management remained about the same. As I just said, the incentive fee hasn't been a whole lot different than it's been in the last four or five quarters, although it's trending up as more of them pay. So I don't think that's changed, to answer your question.

Okay. And then, one question on the risk retention. How do you guys plan to -- or, how can you balance potentially having to own 5% of a CLO which, on an equity basis, could be up to half of the equity? Yet kind of by SEC guidelines, you aren't able to own more than 25% of the equity and not consolidate. So have you talked about how you balance that under the new risk retention rules?

Yes. Hi, this is Dayl, Greg. There's numerous ways to deal with that. One is to continue to own 25% of the equity, which would be about half of that 5%, and then have some sort of vertical strip of the other 2.5% of the 5%. We're looking at how that gets structured and the ability, obviously, to potentially leverage the vertical strip, since that'll be mostly AAAs; the vast majority will be AAAs.

But yes, it's still unclear in terms of how that's going to play out. But we think we're well positioned given the fact that we have the balance sheet in order to do that. And a lot of managers out there who do not have the ability to do that.

And we've run some different scenarios in terms of what that does to our overall return on capital, and it's all going to depend on how you structure that and how it gets leveraged.

Okay. And then, one more question and I'll hop back into the queue. On the recent equity raise that you did, is your expectation to put more of that capital into the CLO part of your portfolio or to diversify away from that?

Over all, I think we'll probably be more into the direct lending business. I think as CLOs get called, the old positions will wind down and we'll reinvest that money in new positions. Cash is obviously fungible, and so there's a lot of different ways it can go. But our intention would be to deploy a lot of that combined with some additional leverage, potentially, into the direct lending business.

So that leads to my last question. If you're going to do more direct lending, obviously the new capital had a 12.5% dividend yield on it. Your average portfolio yield, excluding the CLOs, you said was 7.8%. So can you just talk about how you cover the new cost of that equity capital with what you're seeing in the market today?

Well, I think it's going to have to be, obviously -- as we talked about, we have a lot more debt capacity today than we had prior to that raise, and we retired very expensive high-interest debt.

So when you look at the overall cost of capital, it should be much lower as we layer in additional debt. A lot of that debt is going to be a lot lower-cost than what we had historically.

Great. Thanks, guys.

Chris York, JMP Securities.

Good afternoon, guys. Could you give us an update on your current warehouse CLO and the likelihood for a third transaction at your affiliates for the remainder of the year?

We've started warehousing for another CLO; it's in the early stages. It's really too early to comment on when we think that actually closes. We'd like to close something in the fiscal year but we're not going to rush into something if we can't raise the capital at attractive levels to make the returns work.

As you'll remember, last year we sort of went through the same exercise and we delayed because of other intervening events, [Sunoco] and other things that sort of disrupted the market for a while. So what we thought was going to close in the fourth quarter of 2013 closed in 2014. And that deal ended up being an attractive transaction. So we're not going to rush into anything, but we are warehousing and we plan to complete another CLO soon.

Sounds good. And then, as I think about the run rate for your dividend income from your asset manager affiliates, it bumped up about $100,000 and 3.1. How should we think about that run rate given some volatility, potentially, in 2015?

And the potential for another CLO, as we just talked about?

I would think the best thing to do is just assume that it's relatively flat. As I said before, we may get lumpy incentive fees. We may not distribute them out.

As we've said before, mostly new CLOs we've been adding have been replacing assets as they've fallen off. At some point that'll switch and they'll start becoming additive again, but I think at this point, it's safer to assume that it's pretty flat.

Got it; okay. And then, you have about $11 million in non-earning equity. What is your potential to exit these investments and rotate that capital into yielding assets?

By and large, those are minority equity positions we've taken together with debt investments that we've made. So those are a function of the exits of the sponsor selling those businesses or taking dividend in those businesses, and we don't control that process and so it's sort of hard for us to foresee that playing out.

As you can see, a couple of those investments have gone up in value based upon the performance of the companies and deleveraging events. So we think they're marked appropriately but again, as a minority investor, we don't really control the exit.

Got it; okay. And then lastly here, what is the -- I mean, we talked about the retirement of some of your bonds and lowering your debt cost of capital. What is the likelihood that you receive a credit facility or pursue a credit facility?

Well, that's one of the things we've been talking about. We've been talking about several other different potential sources of debt capital, but nothing that we can really comment on concretely today.

Got it. That's it for me; thank you.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Greg Mason, KBW.

Great, thanks. I want to talk a little bit about the CLO equity investments. First, on the two new ones -- the 2014-1 and 2014-2. It kind of appears that there's almost an immediate write-down. The cost basis of 2014-2 this quarter -- $10 million cost that's at $8.5 million fair value already. Kind of same with last quarter, 2014-1 -- $12 million cost, $9.5 million this quarter on a fair value basis.

So can you talk about the kind of out-of-the-gate write-downs to those?

Sure. The issue there is that we're essentially buying them at par and that may not be where they actually end up going out or what they're worth right off the bat. But as you know, we have sort of lowered our percentage investment in the CLO equity.

We still like the return of it, and it obviously enables the asset managers to gather asset management fees. So you put the whole package together, we're very happy with the return. It's just the nature of CLO equity at the moment.

Got it. And then just the income that you're getting off the CLO equity, that's obviously a meaningful cash flow -- 20-plus% type of cash returns. But we are seeing some depreciation on the fair value side, and we had our first realized loss; looks like Katonah 5 finally was done in about a $3.3 million type of realized loss.

So how should we think about kind of the push-pull of taking in the strong cash flows but leaking some of it out the back with unrealized losses and now our first realized loss? Just the total return on those CLO equity pieces?

Let me comment on Katonah 5 first. Katonah 5 was a fund that was not managed by Katonah since KCAP owned Katonah. It was sort of an earlier Katonah iteration. So that was sub-managed out to another manager who did not do a particularly good job of managing it, and as a result the equity ended up being worth zero, which is unusual. But we didn't control that situation so that was sort of a legacy asset.

That was offset, to a large degree, by our sale in the quarter of the BBs in Katonah 2007-1, which had about a $9 million realized gain. So you have to look at that as well, and some of the B pieces that we may have may also have realized gains as well.

But to your point, I think you're right; it's one of the anomalies with CLO equity. It's a residual cash flow so we receive cash flows along the way. Some of that's a little bit of return of principal; some of that is actually return. They're modeled to an IRR. The old deals were maybe 18% or more.

We've certainly received the 18%, if not much more than that, on them. But they will trend down what we get back in principal, so it comes off their value by the end. And you should see -- I guess in general that'll plateau flat now. But I would assume that you're going to see 60%, 70% values on those equity on the end, depending on where they are, and that's what you'll get as a return of principal, what it's called.

But you're right; over time, you're getting an accelerated cash flow. We try to make up for that in other pieces, like the BB like Dayl mentioned, but that's sort of the nature of CLO equity.

Over time, as you do new funds, the value of the asset manager should go up as well. So you're adding to your NAV there as you continue to grow the business.

Yes, definitely. Is there a thought of using kind of the effective yield method versus the cash flow method, where a portion of the cash flows does pay down the cost basis so you don't have the losses over time?

We're aware that some take that stance and use the effective yield method. I think going back in time, at the time the accounting was started on these the belief then was that it wasn't -- neither fish nor fowl. It wasn't a piece of debt, it was not a piece of real equity, and the proper accounting treatment was to treat it as just a cash in as your return.

I think changing that midstream is a tough proposition. We've discussed it. I think that either methodology now is acceptable in the marketplace. I don't know if there's a real impetus to change it.

Okay, great. I appreciate it, guys; thanks a bunch.

Yes.

I am showing no further questions or comments at this time. So with that, I'd like to turn the call back over to management.

Thank you all and we will talk to you with our year-end numbers in 2015. Thank you very much; take care.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes the program; you may now disconnect.