Barrett Business Services Inc (BBSI) 2011 Q4 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss BBSI's financial results for the fourth-quarter and full-year ended December 31, 2011. Joining us today are BBSI President and CEO, Mr. Michael Elich, and the Company's CFO, Mr. Jim Miller. Following their remarks we'll open the call for your questions. Before we go further I would like to take a moment to read the Company's Safe Harbor statement within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that provides the -- sorry -- important cautions regarding forward-looking statements. The Company's remarks during today's conference call may include forward-looking statements. These statements, along with other information presented that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those implied by these forward-looking statements. Please refer to the Company's recent (inaudible) and to the Company's quarterly and annual reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for more information about the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ. I would like to remind everyone that this call will be available for replay through March 14, 2012, starting at 2.00 PM Eastern Standard time this afternoon. A webcast replay will also be available via the link provided in yesterday's press release, as well as available on the Company's website at www.barrettbusiness.com.

  • Now I would like to turn the call over to the Chief Financial Officer of BBSI, Mr. Jim Miller. Sir, please go ahead.

  • - CFO

  • Thank you, Christina, and depending upon where you are dialing in from, good morning or afternoon, everyone. I would like to preface my remarks about our financial results with two quick comments. First, no doubt many of you have noted documents filed with the SEC by Kimberly Sherertz, the widow of our former CEO Bill Sherertz, announcing her desire to replace five of our current directors with her hand-picked nominees. Our focus for today's call is to provide you with a perspective of your management team on BBSI's financial results for the fourth quarter of 2011 and the full year, as well as the future direction of our business. Accordingly, we do not intend to comment or answer questions about Ms. Sherertz' public statements or her request that the Board of Directors call a special stockholders meeting.

  • Second, I would like to mention that yesterday's earnings release summarizes our revenues and cost of revenues on a net revenue basis as required by generally accepted accounting principles. Most of our comments today, however, will be based upon gross revenues and various relationships to gross revenues because we believe such information is, one, informative as to the level of our business activity; two, more useful in managing and analyzing our operation; and three, adds more transparency it to the trends within our business. Comments related to gross revenues as compared to a net revenue basis of reporting have no effect on gross margin dollars, SG&A expenses or net income.

  • Turning now to the fourth quarter results, total gross revenues increased 23% to $424 million compared to the fourth quarter of 2010. California, which comprised approximately 84% of our overall fourth-quarter gross revenues, increased 27% due to continued growth from new PEO customers. Total PEO gross revenues increased 26% to $392 million compared to the fourth quarter of last year, primarily due to the addition of new clients. Our PEO revenues from existing customers experienced a slight 1% increase, or approximately $3 million compared to the year-ago quarter as a result of a slight increase in average hours worked. The increase in PEO revenues from existing customers represents the seventh consecutive quarter of existing customer growth. Staffing revenues for the fourth quarter of 2011 decreased 4% to $31 million compared to the fourth quarter of 2010, principally due to a small decline in revenues from existing customers, particularly in our Mountain states, as new business nearly offset the loss of business from former customers.

  • The Company recorded an increase to its workers' compensation reserve of approximately $8.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2011 as a result of adverse developments in the estimate cost of our self-insured workers' compensation claims liabilities, primarily related to the claim years 2005 to 2009. The root cause to the charge was related to the prolonged recession that seemed to bottleneck claim closures in prior years, leading to higher-than-expected development in claim costs, including related legal costs, now that these claims are beginning to move and close. With assistance from our independent actuary we have performed an in-depth analysis of these prior year claims and have established what we believe to be more conservative reserves for this pool. During this process we discovered that while we have worked with the same actuary for the past several years, we have determined the need to better understand the drivers in their various actuarial models that we can identify and respond to trends more quickly. With the benefit of hindsight we also determined that the previous quarterly actuarial reviews conducted were not robust enough to monitor development of prior years, and as a result, we have moved to having a complete analysis performed each quarter, similar to the actuary's full annual analysis. Internally we are modeling future quarters by forecasting claims based upon our recent past experience and truing up estimates as changes in trends and frequency and severity warrant.

  • On a percentage basis, gross margin declined to 2% for the fourth quarter of 2011 compared to 4% in the same quarter a year ago, primarily due to the additional $8.5 million workers' compensation charge. Direct payroll costs as a percentage of gross revenues in the fourth quarter decreased to 85.2% from 85.4% in the same quarter last year due to an increase in the overall customer mark up percentage based upon price increases during 2011. Payroll taxes and benefits for the fourth quarter as a percentage was is 7.6% versus 7.2% for the same quarter a year ago. The 40-basis point increase was due, in part, to higher effective state unemployment tax rates in various states in which we operate, as compared to fourth quarter of 2010 and due to the accrued portion of payroll at the end of 2011 where the accrued portion carried a higher payroll tax burden from higher 2012 payroll tax rate, as the accrued payroll, while earned in 2011 was paid in January 2012. Workers' compensation expense as a percentage of gross revenues is 5.3%, which was up from 3.5% for the same quarter a year ago. Again, primarily due to the additional $8.5 million charge.

  • SG&A expenses increased 9.9% to $10.6 million versus the 2010 fourth quarter, principally due to increases in management payroll, legal expenses, and stock-based compensation expense. The benefit from income taxes in the fourth quarter was $2.3 million, which included a favorable benefit from the effect of a much lower annual effective tax rate attributable to the non-taxable $10 million life insurance proceeds from key man life insurance policy the Company realized during the first quarter of 2011. The fourth quarter of 2011 also included favorable net tax benefits from a reduced 2010 California income tax apportionment upon the filing of our 2010 California tax return during the fourth quarter of 2011 and to higher-than-anticipated employment tax credits. We expect the effective income tax rate for 2012 to return to a more historical rate in the mid 30% range. As reported, the Company lost $0.01 per share -- per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2011 compared to $0.31 of earnings per share in the same quarter last year. The decline in the fourth quarter of 2011 was primarily due to the $8.5 million increase in the workers' compensation expenses previously discussed. Excluding this charge and applying a more normalized income tax rate, the Company earned $0.41 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2011.

  • Turning now to the full-year results, net revenues in 2011 increased 15% to $315 million compared to $273 million in 2010. Total non-GAAP gross revenues in 2011 increased 24% to $1.5 billion compared to $1.2 billion in 2010, with the increase primarily attributable to the increase in new PEO clients and to a lesser extent, same-store sales growth, as previously discussed. Net income in 2011 on a GAAP basis was $14.3 million, or $1.42 per share, compared to net income of $7.4 million, or $0.72 per share in 2010.

  • Turning now to the balance sheet at December 31, cash and current marketable securities totaled $66.4 million compared to $55.4 million at December 31, 2010. This increase was primarily due to the net income for 2011, partially offset by payment of quarterly cash dividends and share repurchases during the year. We continue to carry no bank debt and generated approximately $30.1 million in free cash flow for the full year of 2011. Trade accounts receivable at December 31, were $46.5 million, an increase of $8.9 million over December 31, 2010, primarily due to the increase in revenues on a year-over-year basis. Accrued payroll taxes and related benefits increased $14.8 million over December 31, 2010, to $52.3 million due to increases in accrued payroll and to the year-end timing of due dates required for weekly payroll tax deposits at the end of December 2011 compared to December 2010. Stockholders equity increased approximately $6.3 million over December 31, 2010, to $101.7 million, principally due to net income of $14.3 million, partially offset by share repurchases of $4.8 million and cash dividends paid of $3.8 million.

  • Now turning to our outlook for the first quarter of 2012, we are expecting gross revenues to range between $417 million to $423 million. This projection represents a likely midpoint increase of 27% over the $331 million in gross revenues for the first quarter of 2011. The projected increase of 2012 first-quarter gross revenues is based upon recent revenue trends. Based upon the foregoing estimates for gross revenues and excluding the potential aggregate costs associated with evaluating and appropriately responding to requests made by a group formed by Kimberly Sherertz that the Company holds a special meeting of stockholders and the cost of holding such a meeting, if any, diluted loss per share is expected to range between $0.18 and $0.21 per share compared to diluted earnings per share of $0.54 for the same quarter a year ago. However, please keep in mind the diluted earnings per share for the first quarter of 2011, including -- included the $10 million key man life insurance proceeds and a favorable income tax rate benefit related to the effect of a much lower annual effective income tax rate attributable to the life insurance proceeds. Without these favorable benefits, the Company experienced a net loss of $0.20 per share in the first quarter of 2011. As we mentioned in previous years, during a period of PE growth -- PEO growth, as we are continuing to experience, first-quarter estimates tend to project larger losses due to low or negative customer margin resulting from the effect of higher payroll taxes at the start of the new year. However, the PEO growth becomes additive for the remainder of the year once these payroll tax ceilings are reached, usually beginning toward the end of the first quarter.

  • At this time, Mike Elich will comment further on the recently-completed fourth quarter and our outlook for the first quarter of 2012. Mike?

  • - President and CEO

  • Good morning, or afternoon, wherever you might be. Appreciate your taking time this morning for the call. Overall we were pleased with the very successful quarter. While we were disappointed with having to take a charge in the quarter we feel that it puts us on track moving forward to execute on our plan and reinvest in the Company while we continue to grow. In the quarter we added 131 clients; we lost 49; 8 clients were lost due to AR issues; 9 clients canceled for non-AR issues, comp and other reasons; 7 businesses sold; 5 left on their own; 9 took payroll in-house; and 11 left to work with a competitor. The overall net gain was 82 clients, an increase of 45% over fourth-quarter 2010's net quarterly build. Overall we saw headcount and hours worked flat in the quarter. On a regional basis, we continue to see both southern California and northern California had strong momentum in growth. For the Northwest, we continue to see positive momentum. The Mountain states still facing some head-winds, but have continued to make progress. And on the East Coast we continue to show consistent growth.

  • In reviewing 2011, one of the -- there's a few things that we learned. One of them -- and accomplished. One of the things that I think is very critical to the organization is that we've managed to align the organization at all levels, from the Board level to the executive management level to the corporate level to field operations. My anticipation of that is that is as we are better aligned going forward and as we grow, we'll be able to be more proactive in addressing issues. One of the things that we discovered in the process was a bit of a siloed organization that worked at $20 million in revenue per week but don't see it working at $40 million in revenue per week. We've made a lot of progress in how we focus proactively in areas needing improvement as an organization, and we'll continue to work in these areas. Great steps in forward and maturing the execution and deliverables -- delivery of our product is also -- was also a major success in the year. We've also taken steps to refine best practices to leverage our internal capacity while we continue to grow.

  • Looking forward to 2012, we are currently in the process in the first quarter of opening two new branches. One of them in the Burbank area and another one in the Monterey area. It's a little bit of a load leveling exercise where we've got branches that are growing and it's a process of building more capacity in markets where we know we have a lot of momentum. One of the things that we're working very closely on today is methods for bringing real-time data to the field and to our customers so we can more effectively analyze and be further out in front of the curve working with our clients in all areas. We continue to mature management systems to recognize outliers to exception parameters, both internally and to the branch and to our customers. In a sense, what that really means is that we are being very critical as to areas, be it claims-related workers' comp, be it turnover, be it the whole host of different areas that we can collect data and seeing on a day-to-day basis and transferring that back to the branches so they know where they need to be focusing from an operations standpoint.

  • In 2012 we'll also continue to execute our rollout of HR Pyramid, which is our new payroll system and HR system. We continue to mature the organization -- we'll continue to mature the organizational structure while maintaining alignment with our culture -- with the culture of our organization, and we'll continue to focus on continued -- continuous organizational development. One of the biggest things that I see as we continue to grow and mature as an organization is that, it used to be much more about our product, but when we go in the field and we start to really dive into and visit with people and understand what our product is, our product is our people so the better we can continue to find, hire, train, mature our internal organization, as well as the better tools that we can put in front of them, the better off we're going to be down the road in leveraging their capacity.

  • The tailwinds that I see in the year and currently, we continue to retain our top talent while we continue to retain our -- 90% of our client base. The organization continues to mature. We're not even close to the same organization that we were three years ago. I think that helps us to more systemically be aligned to future success. We have our pipelines that remain very strong and we continue to hire and retain very strong talent at all disciplines. Headwinds that we see in the year is ultimately we still see net-net hiring as flat. Hours worked in the quarter were flat. Now, based on where we've been over the last few years, flat is not necessarily bad, but we're not seeing momentum coming from that area. Then another area is we continue to have to watch and ensure that we have the ability to invest into our infrastructure and support growth with innovation while management -- while managing short-term expectations.

  • And then to workers' comp. It's always a work in progress. We have made so much progress just in the last year, two years, but things that still continue to be headwinds are knowing that basically past performance will represent future results. That's always the unknown. Knowing how long it takes to recognize process change in claims or loss mitigation, meaning that we'll make changes to how we do or how we look at things today and we may not see those results for another 18 months. And then additionally, the need to refine the continuous alignment with our actuaries' internal measures to operation. Moving forward we'll continue to reinvest back into the organizational infrastructure to support our growth curve, we continue to mature our pipeline sources, and we continue to educate all stakeholders to the dynamic of the business model and how we drive value to customers and shareholders.

  • And to conclude, overall very pleased with how the Company is running, very pleased with the direction things are going and looking forward to the progress we're making and the results of that over the next couple years. With that we'll open it to questions. I will also just reiterate Jim's point that, based on the rules of proxy, we're not able to comment or answer questions related to that but we'll hold our questions more to the operations of the Company. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Jeff Martin with ROTH Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks, good morning.

  • - CFO

  • Good morning, Jeff.

  • - Analyst

  • Good morning, Jim.

  • - President and CEO

  • Morning.

  • - Analyst

  • Mike, I wanted to touch on the infrastructure of the business, and how well you think you are positioned today to get to -- you're very likely to get close to $2 billion in gross revenue in the next 18 months. And I know that just two, three years ago, it was a big milestone to get to $1 billion. So can you give us some perspective, how you think the business is positioned today from an infrastructure standpoint, and how quickly do you need to get to a higher level of infrastructure to manage $2 billion or $3 billion in gross revenue?

  • - President and CEO

  • We've made a tremendous amount of progress in the last year. One of the things that was somewhat of a -- I guess an undertow to that is that we recognized that switching from where we were, again, running at that $20 million a week to running even at $34 million or -- $30 million, $35 million, $40 million a week, that you need to get further out in front of the curve. In doing so, we've done a few things. One is, bringing alignment to the overall organization from how corporate actually works and interfaces with the field has been a huge piece.

  • With that, we've discovered certain gaps and have made several changes to both hire back into the corporate infrastructure to support both how we're developing and evolving the field, but equally, breaking down barriers that had, from a corporate perspective --. One way of looking at the business and what was needed, and then looking at the field as a reverse and having the organization looking back at corporate to understand more effectively how to innovate to make sure that we're working on the right thing.

  • Some of the things we've done in the last year is that we've brought the organization together more effectively to communicate our overall mission, where we're going, why we're doing what we're doing. We've looked at our product offering, and have refined the scope of that to the point where we've got an internal way of looking at our business and our customers today that we really didn't have 18 months ago that brings a lot more consistency to how we train, how we help bring people on board, how we analyze a good customer from a bad customer, and how we are more real-time making decisions. Today all of our branches are staffed with branch managers, and infrastructure is in very good shape today.

  • I think the biggest change overall for us is how we continue to listen and learn from the outliers that exist, and then innovate to impact a better -- an organization that can run at a different level. And I would say that we're well in front of that curve right now, although in the next year to two years I see where we will need to invest back into that infrastructure so we can stay in front of the curve. And I don't want to put myself in a position where I'm worried about managing short-term expectations, as opposed to hiring very strong talent. The one thing that we know right now is that we're seeing some extremely good talent out there, and if we have a place, or we have a way to even maybe overbuild a little bit to incubate that talent, that's where we'll put our attention.

  • - Analyst

  • Then, in terms of infrastructure, are we talking a combination of technology and personnel, or is it more heavily weighted to one or the other?

  • - President and CEO

  • I think both. I think that you've got to put the right people in place, and then you've got to get them the tools to be able to leverage their talent. So, you could hire talented people, but if you don't have the technology and the tools to help them optimize their effectiveness, you're really not maybe gaining that much, especially at the next level. One of the things that we discovered, especially with our larger branches, was by -- because we addressed and worked with our customers in teams or groups, and in these business units that we've created, we had always had a three-person business unit.

  • And as we continued to expand, one of the things that we recognized was, is that from a capacity standpoint, by adding one more skill set to that business unit, we actually leverage that business unit up by about 20% to 30% as opposed to adding an entirely new business unit. And that seems to me to be -- one, a good investment from a leverage standpoint, but two, we feel with that four-person business unit we'll be able to be much more effective at delivering our product at all levels. But then ultimately, you have to have technology that keeps real-time data in front of people, so as they're looking at their client, it's not a -- it's seen on an ongoing basis what are the outliers in that business mix so they can address issues in real time and be proactively working with their client to build out a dysfunction or defect.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then jumping over to the workers' comp side of things, you talk about a claim closure bottleneck. Is that isolated to Q4? Is that something that you expect to be ongoing in the short term? What kind of outlook do you have for that?

  • - President and CEO

  • When you come through a recession -- there's two things that really went on when you look into our history. When we grew -- we restructured and reformatted much of the Company, and hired a lot of new managers in, back in 2002 to 2004, 2005, and we had a pretty good growth curve back then to get to $1 billion. But when we went into the recession, you have very much a shake-out period where you shake out clients that shouldn't have been in business anyway, that we probably shouldn't have been working with at the same time, and meanwhile, too, you're continuing to mature your organization because they're seeing all aspects of the business through different timelines -- time horizons. Well, we go into 2005 to 2006 to 2007, 2008, 2009, it's very much a flat sideways economy, and one of those things that happened with the workers' comp system in California is it basically seized up. The claims were not moving because the legal system seized up. There was -- people had no incentive to get back to work, so there was less incentive to try to get the claim closed and move on.

  • What we're seeing now is that as we've, one, matured very much as an organization, we don't believe that we're creating the same situation today. We think that we're much closer to what's going on. We're much further in front of the curve. But more importantly, as those claims started to break loose, it changes the overall expectation for cost of other claims.

  • So, when claims started to move, it created more volatility in those back years, which ultimately said that the potential for us being under-reserved in those back years was there. And so, as we worked on and looked at it, it became one of those where we wanted to get out in front of the curve enough to ensure that we weren't continuing to have to feed the back years while we were trying to build the Company into the future.

  • - Analyst

  • It's my understanding that you're traditionally, by nature, very conservative on the clients you took on. How is it different, looking back seven, eight years later, having gone through that growth curve, what were the mistakes that were made?

  • - President and CEO

  • I don't know that -- it's one of those things that when you're growing, and you're going -- when I started with the Company, we were one -- basically we're 10 times larger today than we were then. And so when you're growing, and you're growing at that rate, you're learning a lot on the go, and the foundation that you're building on keeps changing and evolving very quickly. And today, the foundation and the platform's a lot firmer.

  • We had a meeting just recently with six of our largest managers in the Company running the largest branches, and one of the things that I saw in the room, they all came into the room thinking they were different, and they left the room understanding that they were all very similar. And part of what happens as you grow up as an organization is that you start to refine and create a stronger bench of what works, and then you're working off that. Where, in those back years, we were growing pretty fast, and even though we thought we knew a lot of things that were going on, we know lots today that we didn't know.

  • Also, we were probably in more of a position to take on business that we would never take on today. Today's book of business is much more diversified. We've built out a lot of the hazard codes that we were working with back then that we don't work today. We have a stronger pipeline, which means that we actually have a better opportunity to pick the right company. It goes back to the adage -- if I have three companies to pick from, I'll pick one, and it doesn't mean that all three have to -- that one is good enough, but I'll pick one. When I have 10 to pick from, I'll still pick the one, but I have a much higher probability of picking the right one.

  • - Analyst

  • And then, can you comment on the client additions in the quarter? I would think traditionally Q4 is one of your softer seasonal quarters of adding clients. Should we expect an acceleration from the pace that we saw in Q4? Is that -- do you see the potential out there?

  • - President and CEO

  • Actually what happens in Q4 is that early on in the quarter, you're building fast, and then you get to about Thanksgiving, and anybody that's going to come on starts to just draw back and they say -- I'll wait until after the first of the year. And in doing that, we basically postpone all those starts until after the first of the year. This quarter actually we saw a 48 -- or 45% increase in year-over-year builds for fourth quarter, but we still had a very large block of new clients that started January 1 that aren't included as a -- in the fourth quarter.

  • - Analyst

  • How has the first five, six weeks of the year gone in terms of client adds?

  • - President and CEO

  • One of the things that when you come through the first -- I always call it the wash of the first of the year, and I've watched it for many years, is that it's almost like there's a hangover after the holidays that all of the companies that stepped back, that laid people off for a couple of weeks, or just took vacations and that, it takes a while for that momentum to regain its current trend that you saw in the fourth quarter. This year, we've actually seen it bounce back faster than I've seen in many, many years, and so far things continue to be on track. As far as new client build in our pipelines, they've continued to remain full, and we see a pretty robust year going forward.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, thanks, guys. Good luck.

  • - President and CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. (Operator Instructions) And our next question comes from the line of Josh Vogel with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.

  • - Analyst

  • Good morning, Mike and Jim.

  • - CFO

  • Good morning, Josh.

  • - President and CEO

  • Morning.

  • - Analyst

  • Of the bulk of the new clients you're adding, building off of what you were just talking about, are these clients that are using these services for the first time, or are you perhaps stealing share from competitors?

  • - President and CEO

  • I don't -- any more, I don't get that much detail of that, but it's probably still an 80% organic first new companies coming in versus 20% that may have come from a PEO at one point or another. The one thing that it's hard to compare to is, they work with ADP, for instance, to do their payroll. You are going to -- that's not really a direct comparable to us, but we do see more of, like an ADP paycheck coming over. One of the -- we can -- and we've seen that step up, where that is probably a market where we are capturing more business, but it's not really a one-to-one comparison to the PEO market that we try to play in.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And you've obviously done a great job adding net new clients throughout the year, and it seems like you're off to a good start this year. Have you been ramping your marketing effort at all, or is this just still a product of a great referral network?

  • - President and CEO

  • I think that we're always looking at our messaging, making sure that our messaging is leveraging the market effectively, but probably I would still say it's a result of our network, and it's a result of the maturing network. The more success we get and have with our existing clients, the more it continues to bolster our partnerships with our referral networks, and as well, the wider the base gets, the more customer referrals we're getting.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And, Mike, you talked a lot about investing in infrastructure, and rolling out the new HR system and just bringing more real-time data into the field. I was just wondering if you guys could maybe quantify how much and when these costs should hit up throughout the year?

  • - President and CEO

  • I don't --. (multiple speakers)

  • - Analyst

  • -- that would be associated with that?

  • - President and CEO

  • They're more -- it's more just an incremental build, to some degree, to match where we're at. I think in the quarter, Jim said that over last year we built -- our overall SG&A was up 9% -- 9.9%. You'll see it in that reflection. It'll just be a gradual build as we're hiring and finding the right talent, and then those costs are incorporated back in, which may be a slight headwind to current earnings based on trying to make sure that future earnings will continue to leverage. But equally, our top-line growth and even our margin growth was up well above what our overall expense build was, so we are gaining in that.

  • But for instance, right now we're looking for a Director of Insurance. We hired -- we brought in a Director of IT, which has been great for us to move things forward. We created a function of a Director of Risk Management, made tremendous progress in that area. Then in the field, we added two branches. Unfortunately, we can't capitalize any of that, so that -- and that becomes a direct build when you now are creating new teams that are going to be supporting both existing clients, and it'll take a little bit of time before they can get their own momentum and build their own book of business. So, that's just a little bit of that headwind. You shouldn't see a huge -- there shouldn't be a huge impact to that, it's just being aware that it's out there.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you. I will jump back in the queue.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. At this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Elich for closing remarks.

  • - President and CEO

  • Appreciate all of you taking time to be here today. Look forward to seeing you both on the road, as well as in future calls, and we'll just continue to keep things between the tracks and keep building. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference call for today. Thank you for your participation. We look forward to talking to you again in April. Thank you.