Atlantic Union Bankshares Corp (AUB) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Atlantic Union Bankshares third quarter, 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mood. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session.

(Operator Instructions)

Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Bill Cimino, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Daniel, and good morning everyone. I have Atlantic Union Bankshares President and CEO John Asbury; and Executive Vice President and CFO Rob Gorman with me today. We also have other members of our executive management team with us for the question-and-answer period.

Please note that today's earnings release and the accompanying slide presentation we are going through on this webcast are available to download on our investor website, investors@atlanticunionbank.com.

During today's call, we will comment on our financial performance using both GAAP metrics and non-GAAP financial measures. Important information about these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures, is included in the appendix to our slide presentation in our earnings release for the third quarter of 2025.

In our remarks on today's call, we will also make forward-looking statements which are not statements of historical fact and are subject to risks and uncertainties. There can be no assurance that actual performance will not differ materially from any future expectations or results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to publicly revise or update any forward-looking statement except as required by law.

Please refer to our earnings release in the slide presentation issued today and our other SEC filings for further discussion of the company's risk factors and other important information regarding our forward-looking statements, including factors that could cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied in a forward-looking statement. All comments made during today's call are subject to that safe harbor statement. And at the end of the call we'll take questions from the research analyst community.

Now I'll turn the call over to John.

Thank you, Bill. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Atlantic Union Bankshares delivered a solid third quarter while maintaining our focus on execution and integration of the Sandy Spring acquisition. Our quarterly operating results illustrate the earnings potential of the company we envision.

While merger related costs continue to create a noisy quarter, we believe we are on a path to deliver on the expectations related to the acquisition of Sandy Spring for adjusted operating return on assets, return on tangible common equity and efficiency ratio.

The Sandy Spring integration is progressing smoothly. Over the weekend of October 11, we successfully completed our core systems conversion and closed five overlapping branches as planned. We are experienced acquires, and I want to recognize our outstanding and dedicated team for their commitment and diligence in executing this complex process. We have now unified Sandy Spring Bank under the Atlantic Union Bank brand and operate as one integrated team.

While some merger-related impacts will persist in our fourth quarter results, we expect to enter 2026, having achieved our cost savings targets from the acquisition and with our enhanced earnings power visible on a reported basis.

Our commitment to creating shareholder value remains unwavering. We believe Atlantic Union is well positioned to deliver sustainable growth, top tier financial performance, and long-term value for our shareholders. The strategic advantages gained from the Sandy Spring acquisition combined with continued organic growth opportunities, reinforce our status as the premier regional bank headquartered in the lower Mid-Atlantic. We have a robust presence in attractive markets, providing us with further growth opportunities.

I want to summarize the key highlights from our third quarter performance and share insights into the current market conditions before turning the call over to Rob for a detailed financial review.

Here are the highlights from our third quarter. Quarterly loan growth was approximately 0.5% annualized in the typically seasonally slower third quarter. Notably, lending production increased modestly versus the second quarter. However, in the latter part of the quarter, an uptick in loan paydowns and a decline in revolving credit utilization from 44% to 41% offset some of the increased production.

Average loan growth quarter over quarter was a good story of 4.3% annualized. Our pipelines indicate we should have loan growth consistent with the seasonally strong fourth quarter. While forecasting loan growth remains challenging in the still uncertain economic environment, we currently expect year-end loan balances to range between $27.7 billion and $28 billion inclusive of the negative impact of the fair value loan marks. We paid down approximately $116 million in broker deposits during the quarter and continue to reduce higher cost non-relationship deposits from the Sandy Spring portfolio.

By moving quickly to lower our deposit rates, we anticipate further improvement in our cost of deposits in the fourth quarter. We were pleased to see approximately 4% annualized growth in non-interest-bearing deposits in the third quarter.

I reported FTE net interest margin remains steady at 3.83%, reflecting a modest decrease in accretion income quarter of a quarter. As a reminder, some quarterly fluctuation and accretion income is to be expected. Importantly, if you exclude the impact of accretion income, our net interest margin improved compared to last quarter.

I'd also like to point out the strength we saw in fee income, especially with interest rate swaps and in wealth management. Opportunities in both lines were augmented by the Sandy Spring acquisition, and during the quarter, approximately $1 million of swap income is attributed to the former Sandy Spring Bank. Sandy Spring did not offer interest rate swaps for the acquisition, and we believe it will provide upside to the combined entity going forward.

Overall credit quality improved despite an increase in charge-offs largely driven by two commercial and industrial loans that had been partially reserved for in prior quarters. One was the larger credit first disclosed in the fourth quarter of 2024 involving a borrowing-based misrepresentation.

Ongoing uncertainty in its resolution led us to charge off the remaining balance of approximately $15 million in addition to the previously incurred specific reserve of $14 million.Leading asset quality indicators are encouraging. Third quarter non-performing assets as a percentage of loans held for investment remain low at 0.49%. Past dues remain low, and criticized asset levels improved by more than $250 million or 16%. Which brings criticized loans as a percentage of total loans down to 4.9% at the end of the third quarter from 5.9% at the end of the second quarter.

As typical, we'll present more details in our third quarter filing.

We do remain competent in our asset quality and reaffirm our forecasts for the full year 2025 net charge off ratio to be between 15 and 20 basis points in line with prior guidance.

In the Greater Washington D.C. region, recent headlines have focused on government employment reductions and the government shutdown. However, we believe both our economic data and on the ground observations indicate resilience in the market.

Atlantic Union maintains a well diversified portfolio with approximately 23% of total loans in the Washington metro area and the remaining 77% across our broader footprint. The exposures that prompted most inquiries are government contractors and office buildings in the Washington metro area. Updated disclosures on these segments can be found on pages 21 through 23 of our supplemental presentation, and these portfolios are performing well.

Our government contractor finance portfolio is predominantly focused on national security and defense. We believe these businesses are well positioned, supported by a record high defense budget and ongoing defense modernization efforts. Government shutdowns are not new to us. With more than 15 years in this specialty, we have seen many. Most contractors we finance provide essential services and have historically continued to operate during shutdowns, typically drawing on lines of credit to maintain payroll and repaying those lines when government funding resumes. We are certainly monitoring the shutdown in its duration.

More broadly, August unemployment rates from Maryland and Virginia stood at 3.6%, well below the national average of 4.3%, and among the lowest for states with larger populations. Official government September date is not yet available due to the shutdown. While we anticipate some increases in unemployment rates across our markets, we expect this to remain manageable and below the national average, consistent with the current Moody's state level forecast.

With the Sandy Springs systems conversion now behind us, strong pipelines and expanded footprint and attractive markets, specialty lines, and increased investment in North Carolina, we believe we are well positioned for continued organic growth. In summary, it was a good quarter as we continued our focus on discipline, execution, and the integration of Sandy Spring.

This quarter also marks my nine year with the company. Over this time, we have intentionally and carefully built the distinctive and uniquely valuable franchise that we envisioned in our strategic plan and have consistently communicated for years.

We have done what we said we'd do in establishing the banking platform we set out to create. With this foundation in place, we believe we are well positioned to capitalize on the expanded markets gained through the Sandy Spring acquisition, continue our growth in Virginia, and pursue new organic growth opportunities in North Carolina and across our specialty lines. We are set up well to demonstrate the organic earnings power of the franchise we have worked so hard to build on a reported basis, absent merger-related noise in 2026, and that's what we intend to do.

Looking ahead, our focus remains on delivering sustainable top quarter performance relative to our peers and creating long-term value for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn the call over to Rob for a detailed review of our quarterly results before opening the call for questions, Rob.

Well thank you, John. Good morning, everyone. I'll take a few minutes to provide you with some details of Atlantic Union's financial results for the third quarter.

A commentary today will primarily address Atlantic Union's third quarter financial results presented on a non-GAAP adjusted operating basis which excludes $34.8 million in pre-tax merger related costs from the Sandy Spring acquisition and a $4.8 million pre-tax loss recorded in the third quarter for the final CRE loan settlement related to the approximately $2 billion of Sandy Spring acquired CRE loans that we sold in the second quarter. As a result, the final net pre-tax gain from the CRE sale transaction was $10.9 million.

That said, in the third quarter reporting that income available to common shareholders was $89.2 million and earnings per com share was $0.63. Adjusted operating earnings available to common shareholders for $119.7 million or $0.84 per common share for the third quarter, resulting in an adjusted operating return on tangable common equity of 20.1%, an adjusted operating return on assets of 1.3%, and an adjusted operating efficiency ratio of 48.8% in the third quarter.

Turning to credit loss reserves at the end of the third quarter, the total allowance for credit losses was $320 million which is a decrease of approximately $22.4 million from the second quarter, primarily driven by the net charge off of two individually assessed commercial industrial loans that were partially reserved for in the prior quarter, as John noted.

As a result, the total allowance for credit losses as a percentage of total loans held for investment decreased to 117 basis points at the end of the third quarter, down from 125 basis points at the end of the prior quarter.

That charge-offs increased to $38.6 million or 56 basis points annualized in the third quarter from $666,000 or only one basis point annualized in the second quarter, primarily due to the net charge off of the two commercial industrial loans that we've discussed.

This brought the annualized year-to-date net charge off ratio through the 3rd quarter to 23 basis points, although we are maintaining our full year net charge off ratio guidance to be in the 15 to 20 basis point range.

Now turning to the pre-tax pre-provision components of the income statement for the third quarter, tax equivalent net interest income was $323.6 million. That's a decrease of $2.1 million from the second quarter, primarily driven by lower interest income on loans held for sale due to the impacts of the sale of approximately $2 billion. Performing CRE loans at the end of the second quarter and lower net decreasing partially offset by lower borrowing costs and higher investment income as we use proceeds from the CRE loan sale to pay down short-term borrowings and broker deposits and to purchase additional investment securities in the third quarter.

As noted, the third quarter's tax equivalent net interest margin remained at 3.83% as lower earning asset yields were fully offset by declines in the cost of funds. Earning asset yields for the third quarter declined by 5 basis points to 6% compared to the second quarter due primarily to lower accretion income and the impacts from the CRE loan sale, which resulted in a decrease in average loans held for sale balances and an increase in lower yielding cash and investment average balances. The cost of funds declined by 5 basis points in the third quarter to 2.17%, primarily due to the impact of the four basis point drop in the cost of interest-bearing liabilities to 2.93% from 2.97% in the second quarter, driven by lower average short-term borrowings and broker deposit balances, as well as lower customer time deposit rates.

Non-interest decreased $29.7 million to $51.8 million for the third quarter, primarily driven by the $15.7 million preliminary pre-tax gain on the CRE loan sale in the prior quarter compared to a $4.8 million pre-tax loss in the third quarter of 2025 related to the final CRE loan sale settlement accounting.

As well as by the $14.3 million pre-tax gain on the sale of our equity interest in Cary Street Partners, which was recorded in the second quarter.

Adjusted operating non-interest, which excludes the pre-tax loss and gain on the CRE loan sale in both quarters, the pre-tax gain on the sale of our equity interest and carry partners in the second quarter, and pre-tax gains on sales of securities in both quarters increased $5.1 million from the second quarter to $56.6 million primarily due to a $4.2 million dollar increase in loan-related interest rate swap fees due to higher transaction volumes. And a $1.2 million dollar increase in other operating income primarily due to an increase in equity method investment income. These increases were partially offset by a $2.2 million dollar decrease in bank-owned life insurance income due to death benefits of $2.4 million that was received in the second quarter.

Reported non-interest expense decreased $41.3 million to $238.4 million for the third quarter, primarily driven by a $44.1 million dollar decline in merger related costs associated with the Sandy Spring acquisition.

Adjusted operating expense, which excludes merger related costs in the second and third quarters, and the amortization of intangible assets in both quarters increased $3.1 million to $185.5 million for the third quarter, primarily due to a $1.3 million dollar increase in marketing and advertising expense. The $966,000 increase in professional services expenses related to strategic projects, $874,000 increase in other expenses primarily due to an increase in other real estate owned and credit related expenses, and an $800,000 increase in occupant expense. These increases were partially offset by a $1.6 million dollar decrease in salaries and benefits expense. Primarily driven by reductions in full-time equivalent employees and lower group insurance expenses, which was partially offset by an increase in variable incentive compensation expenses.

September 30, loans for investments netted deferred fees and costs were $27.4 billion. That's an increase of $32.8 million from the prior quarter, while average loans held for investment increased $291.8 million or 4.3% annualized from the prior quarter.

At September 30, total deposits stood at $30.7 billion a decrease of $306.9 million or 3.9% annualized from the prior quarter, primarily due to declines of $256.3 million in interest-bearing customer deposits and $116.1 million in broker deposits. This was partially offset by an increase of $65.5 million in demand deposits.

At the end of the third quarter, Atlantic Union Bankshares and Atlantic Union Bank's regulatory capital ratios were comfortably above well capitalized levels. In addition, on an adjusted basis, we remain well capitalized as of the end of the third quarter, if you include the negative impact of AOCI and health and maturity securities unrealized losses in the calculation of the regulatory capital ratios.During the third quarter, the company paid a common stock dividend of $0.34 per share, which was an increase of 6.3% from the previous year's third quarter dividend amount.

As noted on slide 16, we've updated our full year 2025 financial outlook for AUB and have also provided our financial outlook for the fourth quarter. Please note that the financial outlooks for 2025 and the fourth quarter include preliminary estimates of purchase accounting adjustments with respect to the Sandy Spring acquisition that are subject to change.

We now expect loan balances to end the year between $27.7 billion.$28 billion dollars, while year in deposit balances are projected to be between $30.8 billion.$31 billion dollars driven by mid single-digit annualized growth in loans and low single-digit annualized growth in deposits in the fourth quarter.

Equivalent with net interest for the full year projected to come in between $1160 million and $1165 billion or $1 million dollars that we are targeting in the fourth quarter fully taxed equivalent that interest rate to fall between $325 million and $330 million.

As a result, we are projecting that the full year, fully taxed equivalent that interest margin will fall in the range between 3.75% and 3.8% for the full year and between 3.85% and 3.9% in the fourth quarter, driven by our baseline assumption that the Federal Reserve Bank will cut the Fed funds rate by 25 basis points in October and December and that term rates remain stable.

In addition, the projected full tax equivalent net interest margin ranges include the impact of our estimate of the net increasing income from the Sandy Spring acquisition, which are volatile and subject to change.

On a full year basis, adjusted operating non-interest is expected to be between $185 and $190 million and we're targeting the fourth quarter adjusted operating non-interest rate to fall between $50 million and $55 million dollars. Adjusted operating non-interest expenses for the full year are estimated to fall in a range of $675 to $680 million while the fourth quarter adjusted operating non-interest expense run rate is expected to be between $183 million and $188 million.

Based on these projections, we expect to produce financial returns that will place us in the top quartile of our peer group on an operating basis and meet our objective of delivering top tier financial performance for our shareholders.

In summary, Atlantic Union delivered solid operating financial results in the third quarter. We continue to be on track and confident that we will achieve the anticipated financial benefits of the nation with Sandy Spring.

As a result, we believe we're well positioned to continue to generate sustainable, profitable growth and to build long-term value for our shareholders in 2025 and beyond.

I'll now turn the call over to Bill, see if there are any questions from our research analysts.

Thanks, Rob and Daniel. We're ready for our first caller please.

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Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Russell Gunther with Stephens, your line is open.

Hi Russell. Hey, good morning guys.

Hey John, good morning guys.

First question for me is on the loan growth front. I appreciate your guys' thoughts in terms of what transpired this quarter in the mid single-digit outlook for next.

I'm wondering, is that mid single-digit a sustainable outcome for 2026 based on where pipelines and investors' sentiment stands today, and as you look out, is a high single-digit, a possibility on this larger pro forma balance sheet.

And I guess an adjacent question, John, I think you mentioned, whether it's an increased appetite or expectation for growth within specialty lines. So I'd be curious if you could expand upon that as well.

Sure, to answer your questions, we do expect at this point mid single-digit loan growth on the total company for next year, based on past experience, we certainly believe that we're capable of doing high single-digit loan growth and what I will refer to as a more normalized environment, assuming we see such a thing again, which I think we will eventually, but there's still a lot of uncertainty out there obviously, and we do see strength in our specialty lines and it's part of our strategic planning process and it's a reminder we're going to do an investor day in early December and we'll take you into more detail. We continue to look at additional opportunities to further grow and expand our specialty lines such as equipment finance and others.

Do you have anything to add to that?

Yeah, I mean, we're still seeing production for new client acquisition and growing at slightly higher rate. 35% of our production this quarter came from new clients coming into the bank, that's a great trend and positive momentum. The pipelines at Sandy Spring , now that they've been converted here since April 1, have grown dramatically. Three or four fold and our pipeline within the legacy bank is higher than it normally is as well. So you know if pull through is what we expect it to be we think we'll have a good solid fourth quarter.

Yeah, and so as you saw, loans averaged up 4.3% quarter over quarter, which is good, but what really happened is in the back half of the quarter, we saw paydowns which are always an issue to some extent, but the line utilization drop was kind of what really hit us toward the end of the quarter, and you know that should come back over time.

Thank you guys. I appreciate that. And then just last question from me switching gears a bit onto the expense outlook. I appreciate your thoughts on where 4Q could shake out, and I believe you guys mentioned cost days for Sandy Spring will fully be in the run rate in early 2026.

So I just wanted to circle back to what was a, I believe the efficiency guide for the pro forma franchise, about 45% excluding amortization expense. Is that still on the cards for 2026? And as it relates to the expense side of the house, how are you guys thinking about keeping a lid on the absolute expense base if you organically build out North Carolina over the next few years?

Yeah Russell I'll pick that one. Yeah, we still, we're of course in the middle of our 2026 planning process, but we fully expect to see mid single mid-40s on the efficiency ratio inclusive of the investments in the North Carolina franchise, coming out of the, you see our guy in the fourth quarters $183 to $188 million if you annualize that, at some inflation to that and additional costs associated with North Carolina. We should be flat year over year if you pro forma first quarter if you include the first quarter run rate for Sandy Spring in 2025, should be flattish, which would basically be able to provide us with a mid-40s efficiency ratio.

So I feel good about that, of course, if we don't see the revenue come in, but the other part of that is, revenue growing at a high single-digit level going into next year. If we don't see that, we're obviously focused on positive operating leverage, so we would We would take some actions on the expense side, maybe have to delay some things, but at this point in time we don't anticipate that happening.

That's really helpful, John. Thank you very much, Rob. I appreciate it, guys. Thanks for taking my question.

Thank you. Thanks, Russell and Daniel. We're ready for our next caller, please.

Our next question comes from Stephen Scouten with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Good morning, Stephen.

Hey, good morning guys. Hey Rob, I wanted to just follow back on that expense messaging you just gave there. So if we're looking at $190 million and then you said add North Carolina, add inflation, and then it should be flat from there, or is there a baseline like of a 1Q26 kind of all in? I'm assuming all cost saves out kind of run rate you can give us as a starting point.

Yeah, so what I would say is, it's probably about the 1,090 give or take, level would be a good run rate for, going forward on, excluding any of the, related or amortization of intangibles. That's how we're kind of looking at it. So you got a 185ish run rate add, another five or so annualize that.

For those items that we talked about inflation, etc. Should be a pretty good one.

Got it. And that and that one key 26 run rate should should encapsulate all the Sandy Spring costs at that point in time, correct?

Yeah, we won't see it all in the fourth quarter because there's, we just finished the conversion. There's clean up going on, there's some related, the systems disengagement that that's happening. We still got, some duplicate costs there. So that was all come up by the end of the fourth quarter.

Got it. Okay. And John, you noted there were higher level of pay downs and I think you guys noted in the press release to lower line utilization there at quarter end. Do you have any data in terms of kind of what paydown levels were, this quarter maybe versus any prior quarters and kind of what would lead you to believe that maybe that pay down activity would slow a bit or is the better growth not so much about pay down levels slowing but production levels continue to ramp higher?

Yeah, I think it's probably more about production levels continuing to ramp higher and let's see, I'll call on Dave Ring here who leads all our commercial businesses, but we've seen for a while. Higher levels of pay downs, but as I think about Q3 versus Q2, I don't think it was out of line.

No, production in both quarters was very close, it's a little higher this quarter than last quarter. Pay downs were relatively the same, yeah, over the quarter. There are just more players right now in our markets, and we're going to see some of the Pay down activity that we're seeing today probably throughout the rest of the year and into next year, but we're relying on higher production cost.

And so often on pay downs you'll see commercial real estate that is sold or refinanced into the institutional non-recourse term markets like some of the Fannie or Freddie programs, for example, for multi-family and the pullback that we've seen in term yields, tends to create more of that. But we feel good about, the overall setup.

Got it. And then, last thing for me, just around the margin, obviously the low end of that range kind of remained at the 375, but obviously the range was tightened, kind of removing some theoretical upside there. What kind of changed quarter that kind of takes that higher level off the table? Is it just where. We ended up here in the third quarter or is it more rate cuts being baked in or kind of lend any color there to what what's leading to that?

Yeah, it's more about where we came out in the third quarter, kind of dialed back some of the impacts of the increase in income in the fourth quarter. That would have been driving it could be higher on the higher end, so we dialed that back a bit, but we feel like on the core basis we should see some expansion. That's why we're got to 385 to 390 in the fourth quarter, so it's a bit higher than, when we came in at 383. In the third quarter, but that 375 A 380 is for the full year.

Stephen, so that's kind of where we are see it going up, but not quite as much as we had. We had a 375 to 4% coming into this year, but accretion hasn't been coming in as high as we were expecting.

Yeah, it is somewhat difficult to predict that with great precision because it's influenced, as by payoffs and that sort of thing. And so you'll see a little bit of volatility and obviously as we get a few more quarters under our belt we'll have a better sense for the sort of what to normally expect, but there's always an element of fluctuation in that, be it up or down.

Yeah, no doubt all this modelling is a little bit art, a little bit science, so definitely appreciate a lot.

Thanks, Stephen. Daniel, you're ready for our next caller, please.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Catherine Mealor with KBW. Your line is open.

Hi, my question is just back to the margin, maybe just getting into the pieces of it and the deposit side is as we think about another couple of rate cuts, I think of you as asset sensitive, but Sandy Spring lesson that a little bit, right?

And so then as we think about on the expansion over the next few quarters, even with rate cuts, kind of help us think about first on the deposit side how much room you think you can lower deposit cost to keep the margin kind in that that level.

And then secondly, if you could give us just some color on new loan yield rates and kind of where you're see, where you think low yields go outside of some of the the purchase accounting noise. Thanks.

Katherine, we think we have a lot of room on the deposit cost side as the Fed gives us cover and continues to lower rates. We're expecting obviously we saw a 25 basis point cut in September. We're expecting one in late October and then in December. Just to give you a perspective on that, we had about $13 billion of deposits that we priced pretty quickly following that cut like an 85 of that of that population, about 85% bettas.

The good news that we're seeing is on the deposit side we can lower rates pretty quickly. We're talking probably in mid-fifties betas on interest-bearing deposits in mid-40s through the cycle on total deposits. If you look at the short-term rate changes we just made. Those pretty much offset the variable rate loan book that we have, which is about $13 billion $14 billion. So those kind of are offsetting each other in terms of reducing or the impact of lower yields on the loan side versus lower deposit costs. So the real impact as we go forward here in terms of looking for a core margin expansion is what's happening with term loans in the back book fixed rate and new loans coming on.

What rates are those coming on? We think as a result of our average portfolio yields of, call it 510 to 515 on our fixed loan portfolio today repricing in the call it 610 to 620 range in the last quarter, we should be able to see a pick up in terms of the core margin. Primarily due to lower deposit costs, the lower variable rate loan yields offset by higher fixed rate loan yields.

Okay, that's awesome thank you. And then my second question is just on credit, I know you're, you didn't like having these, two C&I losses this quarter. Just kind of curious if you could give just a broader perception of the health of any other credit trends you're seeing within the portfolio. I think there's especially within DC and just kind of the health of the Sandy Spring portfolio now that you've got a couple quarters under your belt with that portfolio, just any kind of credit additional credit commentary would be helpful just to try to figure out whether those two were isolated events or if there's anything else we should be aware of happening within the portfolio.

Yeah. Those are certainly the two that you saw that had specific reserves. One of them was partially reserved and it was just an unusual situation that both actually were identified. And partial reserves were taken in Q4 of last year. One in the end was fully reserved, actually slightly more than the ultimate resolution. The other, just due to ongoing uncertainty, we elected to charge the rest of it off as we work to maximize recovery. So that's, totally unrelated.

Broadly speaking, the overall credit trends look good. You can see that in our numbers. Obviously 0.49 nonperforming assets as a percentage of the total loan book is a pretty good number. Past dues down, criticized down, and we feel pretty good, obviously we're well aware of all the headlines that go on. In the greater Washington region, but we're hard pressed to point to any real problems as a result of that, the client base is actually quite resilient, so we feel pretty good about it.

Rob, anything you would add?

Now all the leading indicators of those kinds of big problems all look very good in moving in the right direction, like John said, criticized noticeably lower since the second quarter. Past dues continue to be low, so we all feel very good about where we are. Obviously we're paying attention to what's going on in and around DC with the shutdown, but we just don't see any weakness anywhere. We'll be prepared for anything. A supporting customers and whatnot.

That was Chief Officer Will.

Great. And was it fair to say the DC Noise is maybe more of a growth issue than a credit issue?

Yeah. I would say I do think that it impacts, confidence to some extent, but as Dave Ring pointed out, the pipelines are growing, and you've heard me make this point before. Don't think of us as a DC bank, about 23% of the total portfolio would be in the broad Greater Washington metro area. But Sandy itself was, is and always has been, the Bank on Maryland, and we are seeing opportunities there.

So overall, we think that we're in the right spot, as we do not finance large office buildings, which definitely could be problematic. And from a government contract finance standpoint, I would expect to see more opportunity there over time since it's mostly focused on national security and defense. And even interestingly we were talking to the head of government contract finance yesterday, even with the government shutdown. Because the Defense Department is still operating, we're seeing contracts awarded like right now, so we do feel pretty good about the opportunity there over time.

But yeah, I think it does put a damper on growth, particularly as it relates to commercial real estate investment, but it's very submarket specific as well, even in that greater metro DC area.

Helpful call.

Thank you. Thanks, Katherine, and Daniel, you're ready for our next caller, please.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Janet Lee with TD Callan. Your line is open.

Janet, we're glad, thank you for picking up coverage on this.

Of course. Good morning. Thanks for having me. I believe you guys touched on it a little bit apology if I missed it. So you're attributing all of the loan decline that you saw on the C&I side to lower utilization and basically, are you also referring to the loan growth coming back in that next single-digits? As the utilization picks back up seasonally in the fourth quarter to the mid single-digits range, or is that more so in a typical environment you'd be a mid single-digits to high single-digit grower.

Yeah, I wouldn't say all of it was a result of the reduced line utilization, but that was a material number contributing to that, and I think it's daydream, you have to weigh in here, from my standpoint, we've got the pipeline right now to support. The targets that we laid out, which you know are roughly mid single-digit loan growth based on what we're seeing in Q4, so that's not really predicated on a reversal and line utilization, although that would be helpful. Is that accurate?

Yeah, we have the pipeline to, it's just pull through. We just have to pull it through and sometimes it takes longer than others and things creep into other quarters, but we have the pipeline that implies.

That makes a good point. We actually had some financings that were slated and expected to have closed in Q3 that did not, and we're seeing that come through now. We're actually off to a pretty good start in Q4.

Got it. No, that's a helpful caller.

So, and on a core basis, I guess you're not guiding to 2026, but Should I think of the core NIM trajectory based on your comment as being able to stay stable as rates come down with an upward bias as the yield curve steepens, or would it be a sort of more pressure given your asset sensitivity profile? How should I think about that?

Yeah, the way we're thinking about it is we think there's opportunity for core expansion, give or take. In the, low single-digits per quarter that's predicated on that the fixed rate loan portfolio back book and new fixed loans coming on are repricing higher, call it 100 or so basis points higher.

So that really depends on where term rates go. So if we do have a steeper curve, that would be very helpful to that projection that goes if it increases more, that would be more beneficial. So we are calling for a baseline for the Fed to cut 2 times here in the remainder of this year, 2 times next year, but we do expect to see some expansion in the margin again.

If term rates were to drop materially from really looking at call it the five year term rate, we could see some contraction in that projection that I'm talking about, either a flat margin or it could be down depending on the term rate structure.

And we are certainly less asset sensitive than we used to be Sandy axis a bit of a natural hedge, and as you can see on slide 11 of the supplemental presentation where we break out the drivers of net interest margin change to Rob's earlier point, the core net interest margin actually went up quarter over quarter. It was really just fluctuation and accretion that caused the reported net interest margin to be stable.

Thank you. If I could just ask one more question for those of us including myself who is newer to the name. So you made it clear that you know the government contractor finance group is doing fine. I mean it's more security like national security and defense focused and more protected there.

If the government shut down. Is prolonged hopefully not, but if it does get extended, like what would you be in what way could it or could it impact you the most in terms of like what would you be most worried about is it the consumers in your, the consumer customers in your market or is it just, lower commercial activity?

How could you just elaborate on what would you be most worried about or maybe not?

Yeah, sure. The government contractors should be fine. We have lived through many shutdowns before. The longest shutdown was 35 days in the first Trump administration. We've never had an issue as it relates to, government shutdowns. They have to wait to be paid, but most of them are doing essential services, and so they will continue to work as indicated. Normally what we would expect to see them do is they'll draw on their lines as they await payment. It creates a timing difference to the extent that we have any that are working on non-essential services, what they do, it's a variable cost structure. They would furlough workers. You're already seeing that in some cases up there.

So I think broadly, it certainly, I guess I would say further slow things down, we should be fine. The one thing we can, the only thing we can say with certainty is the US government will reopen. That will happen. The question is how long it's going to take. Interestingly, I was just looking at some data. As of today yesterday we had had 5,050 consumers contact us, wanting to talk about some sort of potential relief because they've been impacted, and the most common thing that you would see might be a payment deferral or a fee deferral, and that's on the consumer side and we're very happy to work with customers. If there's any sort of event weather like this in that region, so we do not have any reason at this point in time to be particularly concerned about it.

Thank you, that's very helpful.

Thanks, Janet and Daniel, you're ready for our next caller, please.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Wilczynski with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Hi Brian.

Hi, Good morning. Maybe just sticking with the loan growth, I think during your prepared remarks you talked a little bit about higher competition that you saw in the third quarter across some of your markets. I was wondering if you could give some more detail on that, where it's coming from and just what you're seeing broadly.

Yeah, we're certainly accustomed to competition. I'm a 38 year commercial banker by background, and I don't ever remember a time when it's not been competitive, at least for the better credits, which is the types of things that we do. We sometimes see other banks kind of turn it on and turn it off, which we've never done.

We've always been a consistent provider of capital, and that's part of how we differentiate ourselves in the marketplace. We are definitely in a turn it on environment right now. Where some who have pulled back or, fully open for business, we see that show up in terms of an element of pricing pressure, not that we've ever been, the low cost provider, but it's the banks are eager for business.

Anything to add.

In the first couple of quarters we were impacted a bit by private credit, particularly in the government contractor competitor.

In some of the specialty businesses, but that's slowed down a little bit, frankly, and it's really the traditional banks coming back in turning it on again like John said one of the things we're very proud of is we're consistently in the market. We don't turn it on and turn it off, but we're seeing some of those banks come back in and turn it on.

That's really helpful. And then maybe just on Sandy Spring, you mentioned that the integration is now complete. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about some of the revenue related synergies. I think you mentioned briefly that the swap income was higher, but as you look out to Sandy Spring what are the opportunities that you see on the revenue side that you can lean into a little bit more over the next few quarters.

Yes, sort of moving, starting at the top of the house, the single best opportunity is simply the fact that they're no longer constrained by commercial real estate concentrations or issues, which means they are in fact fully open for business. So that's good from a lending standpoint. They do pick up additional capabilities. Interest rate hedging is a great example. Other examples that we'll see as it begins to mature would be foreign exchange. Where we have a good offering broadly they had a good treasury management offering, but we brought additional capabilities to the table as well.

They do want to pick up from their specialty lines. We've already seen equipment finance business up there. I mean the biggest probably help over the next Call it 15 months, is just them getting back into the market. We've retained almost all their bankers and most of them have stayed on their own as well without us having to work hard to retain them, and they are back to business back and calling. So new client acquisition is going to be a real important thing in that market for us.

The things we bring to the table around talking at a higher level to clients, bringing in products like John said plus loan syndications, asset-based lending, and some other things into that market. That's a really good asset-based lending market, for instance, which we will penetrate deeper because our acquisition of Sandy Springs. So there are a lot of things, but I would think of it just holistically as two good banks coming together. Combining products and services, they had some that we didn't have. They had some really interesting offerings, some niche treasury management capabilities that we now have. Right? And they've brought some really good leadership to the table as well. And so we really think we're just stronger in that market because of the combination.

That's really helpful. Thanks for taking my questions.

Daniel for our next caller, please.

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Bishop with Hovde Group. Your line is open.

Hi Dave.

Hey, good morning, John, and he's staying on that topic in terms of the Sandy Spring opportunity. John and Rob and Dave as you expand maybe their pure commercial C&I lending capabilities, you see the opportunity to sort of harvest more deposits behind, new loan relationships and maybe what legacy Sandy Springs was bringing to the table.

Overall, they did a pretty good job gathering deposits and, we've done a pretty good job since April 1 of retaining those and trying to deepen and enhance the relationships to get more, but, I They actually brought some products to the table that we're going to leverage in that market around escrow, the title businesses, litigation services, things like that that'll bring pretty chunky nice big deposits into the bank. But in general, if you acquire a C&I client and you're giving them a line of credit.

It comes with the deposits. It comes with the treasury management fees, and so we're really focused on new client acquisition in that market, and we do think, we give them the capacity and the ability to do more faster new client acquisition. Like I said earlier, 35% of our production this quarter was from new client acquisition. We expect that to kind of ramp up with Sandy over time.

Yeah, It's a good team with great leadership, and we compliment each other.

Got it. Then a follow-up maybe John I think you mentioned the preamble some. Pretty material movement I think it was $250 million decline andurize. I'd be curious on any sort of caller you can give up where you saw that improvement types of credits, segments, etc. Thanks.

Pretty much across the board, part of what we did in part just a function of the environment, we continue to dig pretty deeply in terms of scrutinizing the portfolio, not that we don't do that in the normal course. We've done that with the Sandy Spring portfolio being new to us, and you know the reality is we call them as we see them, the overall health of our client base is pretty good and so we've seen it pretty much across the Board. Daniel, the chief officer, is here. Is that a fair assessment?

Dave. The Improvement in credit is at the client level. There are no industries or markets that are of any concern. It's just individual clients that may suffer difficulties and of course we work with them all the way through, and that's where the improvement comes from, the improvement of their operations, and we do believe we are conservative risk graders.

Perfect, I appreciate the caller.

Daniel, we're ready for our last caller, please.

Thank you. Our final question comes from Stephen Moss with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Hi Stephen.

Hey, John, Rob, good morning, everyone. Maybe, going back to loan growth here, John, I hear you on, the mid single-digits with the potential to be doing higher single-digits Over time here.

And obviously the pipeline has increased. Just curious here, with the North Carolina expansion. What kind of contribution could you see, next year from that, from loan growth, if any, that could be additive.

So we're adding bankers in North Carolina. We've actually seen North Carolina turn to positive growth. After the initial American settle and there's very positive momentum there. What we like about North Carolina is it is a real active market and you can drive down any highway and see multiple manufacturing, distribution. Facilities and we have now we think we've placed a lot of talent in that market to go after that business. We have pretty low market share, so there's a lot of upside in that state.

Yes, it's arguably, from an economic development standpoint, it's arguably the best of the growth markets where we have a physical presence which we're expanding. So Stephen, that is potential upside, we're being very conservative in terms of how we think about it, we're speaking to low growth expectations for the entirety of the franchise, but Dave, you and I were having a conversation yesterday. You've been here eight years. And we think about how diversified the bank is now versus what we first saw and all the, I think you referred to it as the levers that we have to pull now. So this is a very diversified franchise and so we see opportunities really in all markets, but North Carolina will have the fastest rising tide.

And we do have roughly 20 bankers now in that market going at it, which is an increase over time, so we're Very excited about the opportunity there. We're in Wilmington. We're all in the Triad and Triangle markets and we have a presence in Charlotte and in South Carolina as well, so we're pretty excited about that.

Okay Appreciate that caller there. And then, one last one for me, most of my questions and asked and answered, but I, I'm not sure if I missed it. Curious Rob is to the purchase accounting assumptions, for the fourth quarter and for 2026.

Yeah, so in terms of the accretion income, I think you could take a look at the third quarter. It's kind of what we're anticipating for the fourth quarter, call it about $40million $41 million which was down from the third quarter, as we mentioned.

It's probably going to continue to decline as we go through next year, but call it about a. Between a 35 and $40 million dollar run rate, a quarterly run rate going throughout next year and continue to come down as we go into 27.

And of course that's being replaced, that reinvested.

Yeah, exactly, it's turning into core.

Since it's mostly interest rate marks.

Okay, and actually maybe just one last. One for me here. John, with regard to capital return here profitability. You're talking about you you're definitely building capital just curious. You talk about a buyback as well, how to think about maybe the timing of a buyback starting next year.

Yeah, we're definitely going to be creating capital at a good rate. And even more so as we get you through Q4 once all of the Sandy Spring related expenses are out and you can see we have, pretty handsome operating metrics right now which should get better still.

So Rob, do you want to talk about how we would think about the? Well actually we see this clearly, as always, first priority for capital is simply to reinvest in the business and fund lending growth, but What we're guiding to implies that we're going to be accumulating capital faster than we need it. Therefore, capital will continue to rise.

Yeah, taking into consideration our growth on the balance sheet, the investment in strategic initiatives and things, assuming we've got the capital for that, we're comfortable managing with a CT1 between 10%and 10.5%. So anything beyond 10.5%. would be available for buybacks excess capital, if you will our projection call for that probably will be in that position probably in the second half of next year, so likely we would ask the board for an authorization to repurchase shares sometime in that time frame.

Great. I appreciate all the caller there.

Thank you very much.

Thank You, Stephen, and thanks everyone for joining us today and we look forward to talking with you at our best day in December. Have a good day.

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