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  • Operator

  • Good morning. Welcome to the Exterran Holdings, Inc. and Exterran Partners, LP second-quarter 2014 earnings conference call. At this time, I'd like to inform you that this conference is being recorded.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Earlier today, Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners released their financial results for the second-quarter of 2014. If you have not received a copy, you can find the information on the Company's website at www.exterran.com.

  • During today's call, Exterran Holdings may be referred to as Exterran or EXH, and Exterran Partners as either Exterran Partners or EXLP. Because EXLP's financial results and position are consolidated into Exterran, the discussion of Exterran will include Exterran Partners unless otherwise noted. Also, the term international will be used to refer to Exterran's operations outside the US and Canada and the combination of US and Canada will be referred to as North America.

  • I want to remind listeners that the news release issued this morning by Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners, the Company's prepared remarks on the conference call, and the related question-and-answer session include forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements include projections and expectations of the Company's performance and represent the Company's current beliefs. Various factors could cause results to differ materially from these projected in the forward-looking statements.

  • Information concerning the risk factors, challenges, uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements can be found in the Company's press release as well as in the Exterran Holdings annual report on Form 10-K for year ended December 31, 2013. Exterran Partners annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2013, and those set forth from time to time in Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission which are currently available at www.exterran.com. Except as required by law, the Companies expressly disclaims any intention or obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statement.

  • Your host this morning -- for this morning's call is Brad Childers, President and CEO. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Childers. You may begin your conference.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. With me today is David Miller, Vice President of Finance for Exterran and CFO of Exterran Partners. As we usually do, we'll provide a review of both Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners before we open the call up for questions.

  • Exterran achieved solid performance this quarter. Second-quarter highlights include strong organic horsepower growth in our North America contract operations business continuing the positive trend that we started in late 2013, improved gross margins in our North America Contract Operations business driven by the recent acquisition of compression assets from MidCon and improving operating performance. The highest level of fabrication bookings in our sold products business in two years leading to a healthy backlog level, and solid fabrication gross margins in the quarter, excluding a warranty expense accrual for a prior-year project.

  • At EXLP, highlights include distributable cash flow coverage of 1.22 times excluding cost cap reimbursements of $1.4 million, which demonstrates further progress toward eliminating the need for the cost caps by the end of 2014. And Exterran Partners closed its first acquisition transaction with MidCon Compression in April, and in July, reached agreement to require additional compression assets from MidCon in a second transaction.

  • Now, our results for the quarter included several items that contributed to a $0.07 loss per common share from continuing operations excluding items for the second-quarter. Of these items, about half of it was driven by an $11 million warranty accrual in our fabrication business and about half was attributable to tax rate and accelerated depreciation on projects terminating in Latin America. Without these items, our earnings for the quarter would have been positive and generally in line with our expectations.

  • From an overall market perspective, we generated significant bookings across all of our service and product lines, increasing our fabrication backlog by almost $150 million. And we continue to see attractive opportunities throughout our geographic regions and across our service and product offerings. We had a solid quarter and the outlook for the remainder of the year is strong.

  • Now turning to our operating segments, in North America contract operations we have organically grown operating horsepower for three consecutive quarters and we see opportunities for continued growth throughout 2014. We achieved organic growth of 77,000-horsepower during the quarter. The growth in our operating horsepower was driven by activity primarily in the Eagle Ford and Permian regions, which accounted for the majority of the 100,000-horsepower of net growth driven by liquids-rich plays and gas lift operations.

  • This growth was partially offset by a net decline of 23,000-horsepower that was operating predominantly in conventional dry areas. For clarity, all of these numbers exclude the affect of our closed MidCon acquisition, which added an additional 444,000 operating horsepower to our fleet.

  • Our North America contract operations activity levels and opportunity set continued to be robust, which supports our expectation for continued organic growth in 2014. Financial performance for North America contract operations was solid as we benefited from compression assets added to our fleet in April for the MidCon acquisition, organic growth, and improving field operating performance during the quarter, which resulted in a strong gross margin percentage of 57.4%, our highest level in four years.

  • In our international contract operations business, we generated good operating performance in the quarter driven by our large installed base of operations. Our revenues and gross margins were up significantly from the prior quarter driven by accelerated revenue recognition on one project in Brazil and another in Mexico, which had a shorter operating term than expected.

  • Our backlog of new contracted international projects is now up to approximately $75 million in annual revenue. And we have an attractive list of near-term opportunities that we are pursuing in Latin America. Given the schedule of these projects, we expect that they will significantly positively impact revenues beginning in mid 2015.

  • In our aftermarket services business, revenue in the second-quarter was up on a sequential basis. Profitability in this business continues to be in our target range and we see good prospects for our aftermarket services business, particularly in North America.

  • In our product sales businesses, new business development was a highlight for the quarter. Fabrication bookings were $472 million in the second-quarter, which is the highest level we've seen in two years. We saw strong demand in North America and the Eastern Hemisphere across all four of our oil and gas product lines. We also had a key project award for Belleli Energy in the quarter. As a result our total backlog at the end of the second-quarter is $818 million. Looking ahead, the market for our sold products remains attractive and bid activity levels remain strong.

  • Now gross margins for the quarter were reduced by 4% as a result of the $11 million accrual for warranty expense related to a prior-year project. Our fabrication business achieved a gross margin of 17% excluding this warranty accrual. I want to note this warranty accrual is unusual for us. We've not seen a warranty expense of this magnitude in our manufactured products in the past and we do not expect to see it again.

  • In concluding the Exterran Holdings section of my comments, we executed well in our operations resulting in solid operating performance. Our business development activities in both our service and product businesses generated significant bookings in the quarter. Acquired assets from the first MidCon acquisition have been integrated into our business and are performing well, and we expect the second MidCon acquisition to close in this quarter.

  • Between our recent acquisition and organic horsepower growth, Exterran grew its North America contract operations business by approximately 540,000-operating horsepower in the first half of 2014. We have another 110,000-horsepower acquisition under contract and we expect additional organic horsepower growth in the second half of the year.

  • Looking forward, our overall opportunity set across our products and geographies is promising and we expect bookings to remain robust. We remain focused on improving the efficiency of and growing revenue in our core operations. I believe we remain on track to achieve our third consecutive year of solid performance in 2014 and we're building momentum for 2015.

  • Now turning to Exterran Partners, Exterran Partners achieved a 16% increase in revenue compared to the results for the prior-year period driven by the compression assets acquired in April 2014 for MidCon and organic horsepower growth. EXLP should continue to benefit from the strong opportunities for organic growth we're seeing in North America contract compression market.

  • As I mentioned, Exterran Partners high gross margins led to lower cost cap reimbursements and attractive distributable cash flow coverage excluding cost cap reimbursement. These results demonstrate significant progress toward our goal of eliminating need for cost cap reimbursements by the end of 2015. The outlook for EXLP continues to be attractive and we expect to see continued growth in the second half of the year.

  • Now moving to the financial section of today's call, I'd like to turn the call over to David for a review of the financial results for Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners, including a summary of quarterly trends and guidance for the third-quarter.

  • - VP of Finance, Exterran Holdings and CFO, Exterran Partners

  • Thanks, Brad. I'll provide a summary of the results and guidance for Holdings and then a summary of the results for Partners. The guidance that I'll provide excludes the impact of the second MidCon acquisition, which has been announced but not closed.

  • Exterran Holdings generated EBITDA as adjusted of $161 million for second-quarter as compared to $145 million in the first-quarter. We also reported diluted net loss from continuing operations attributed to Exterran common stockholders excluding items of $0.07 per share in the second-quarter. That compared with net income of $0.20 per share in the first-quarter.

  • Earnings in the second-quarter were negatively impacted by an $11 million warranty expense accrual in our fabrication business and higher effective tax rate that included $6 million of charges, primarily due to valuation allowances recorded against prior-years net operating losses in certain foreign jurisdictions. Also affecting earnings in the quarter was accelerated depreciation in excess of accelerated revenue related to two projects in Latin America that are terminating earlier than expected.

  • Turning to segment results, our North America contract operations revenue came in at $182 million in the second-quarter, up 16% compared to $157 million in the first-quarter due to our recently closed acquisition and organic growth. We achieved organic growth of 77,000-horsepower in the quarter. In addition, we completed the April 2014 MidCon acquisition, which added an incremental 444,000 operating horsepower.

  • Gross margin was 57% in the quarter, up from 55% in the first-quarter. Revenue and gross margin in the second-quarter were somewhat higher than expected due to the performance of units acquired in April 2014 MidCon transaction, higher than expected organic growth and improving operating performance. For the third-quarter in North America contract operations, excluding the most recently announced acquisition of assets from MidCon, we expect revenue to increase to the mid to upper $180 million level driven primarily by a full quarter contribution from the April 2014 MidCon acquisition and organic horsepower growth. We expect a gross margin percentage in the 56% to 58% range.

  • Maintenance capital spending was in line with our expectations at $19 million at North America during the second-quarter. We expect North America contract operations maintenance capital spending in the third-quarter to be somewhat higher than second-quarter levels.

  • In looking at the international contract operations business in the second-quarter, revenue came in at $134 million as compared to $111 million in the first-quarter. Second-quarter revenues and gross margins benefited from accelerated revenue recognition of deferred revenue on two projects in Latin America as discussed earlier by Brad.

  • Our international operating horsepower was 959,000 at June 30, 2014 down 25,000-horsepower during the quarter as a result of expected project stops. We expect these declines to more than -- be more than offset as new projects start in the second half of 2014 and the first half of 2015. Gross margin in international contract operations was 65% in the second-quarter as compared to 63% in the first-quarter. The second-quarter was impacted by accelerated revenues with no offsetting operating expenses on projects in Latin America, which resulted in higher gross margin percentage.

  • As I mentioned, the accelerated depreciation relating to the projects more than offset the gross margin from these projects in the second-quarter. In the third-quarter, we expect revenues from our international contract operations business to be in the low $120 million range and the gross margin percentage to be in the 60% range.

  • Moving onto fabrication, our fabrication operations had another solid quarterly performance. Revenue was up 12.5% to $323 million as compared to $287 million in first-quarter. Fabrication revenue during the second-quarter was comprised of about 30% compression, 55% production processing and installation, and about 15% from Belleli. Geographically, revenue was split 65% from North America and 35% from international.

  • Fabrication gross margins came in at 13%, lower than expected due to the $11 million warranty expense accrual that reduced our gross margin by 4% as Brad mentioned earlier. This compares to 20% in the first-quarter. Excluding the warranty expense accrual, which we do not expect to repeat, our fabrication gross margins would have been in line with our previous guidance for the second-quarter. As a reminder, first-quarter results benefited from a cost recapture on an international project completed last year.

  • Our fabrication backlog increased to $818 million at June 30, 2014, as compared to $669 million at March 31, 2014. Bookings were robust, $472 million for the second-quarter as compared to $277 million in the first-quarter. In the second-quarter, bookings were roughly 60% from North America and 40% from international markets, while quarter-end backlog was roughly 45% from North America and 55% from international markets. In the third-quarter, we expect fabrication revenues to be in the $320 million to $360 million range with gross margins of approximately 17% in the third-quarter of 2014.

  • Turning to aftermarket and services. Our aftermarket service business had another good quarter with revenue of $100 million and a gross margin percentage of 21%. In the third-quarter, we expect aftermarket services revenue to be in-between $100 million and $110 million with gross margins in the 20% range.

  • SG&A expenses were $96 million in the second-quarter, up from $93 million in the first-quarter. In the third-quarter, we expect SG&A expenses to be at the low to mid $90 million level.

  • Depreciation and amortization was $112 million, up from $86 million in the first-quarter. Depreciation and amortization expense was higher than expected driven primarily by the accelerated depreciation associated with projects in Latin America as discussed previously. We expect depreciation and amortization in the $100 million range in the third-quarter of 2014.

  • Also in the quarter, there was a long-lived asset impairment of $10 million related to the idle fleet. Our consolidated tax rate was 78% for the quarter. The results included a higher effective tax rate as compared to the prior quarter, as a result of charges totaling $5.7 million related primarily to valuation allowances recorded against prior-years' net operating losses in certain foreign jurisdictions as discussed earlier. For 2014, our tax rate from net income from continuing operations attributable to Exterran stockholders excluding items is expected to be in the high 30 percentile range.

  • Shifting to capital, net capital expenditures came in at $136 million for the second-quarter. Gross capital spending in the second-quarter was $100 million, which includes $75 million in North America primarily for our fleet new build program. Maintenance capital for the quarter was $24 million slightly above first-quarter levels.

  • We continue to expect that net capital expenditures will be in the $500 million to $550 million range and maintenance capital will be in the $100 million to $110 million range. Currently we expect the fleet growth capital will be split approximately 65/35 between North America and international. In North America, we expect about 85% of these units will be for customers of Exterran Partners and will be funded by Exterran Partners.

  • During the second-quarter, we received our ninth installment payment of $4.9 million from the sale of our joint venture assets in Venezuela and the seventh installment of approximately $18 million from the sale of our wholly owned Venezuela assets. These cash payments from the sale of Venezuelan assets are not included in EBITDA as adjusted and are not included in net income from continuing operations attributed to Exterran stockholders excluding items. Looking forward, we are still due approximately $179 million of principle payments from the sale of these assets in Venezuela.

  • Turning to our debt. During the second-quarter, debt increased by $27 million at the Exterran Holdings level which was driven primarily by timing of international billings in our fabrication operations. Debt increased by $240 million at the partnership level largely due to the closing of the MidCon acquisition. Exterran Holdings' total leverage ratio, which is total debt to adjusted EBITDA as defined in our credit agreement, was 1.7 times at June 30, 2014. That's up modestly from 1.6 times at March 31, 2014.

  • In June 2014, we completed the redemption and settlement of all of Exterran Holding's outstanding 4.25% convertible senior notes and the related call transaction in exchange for cash of $370 million and 251,000 net shares. However, the warrants associated with the call spread related to the convertible notes offering remain outstanding. Assuming a stock price of around $42 per share, we estimate that approximately 3.2 million shares will be issued primarily in fourth-quarter of 2014 to satisfy the exercise of these warrants.

  • Cash distributions to be received by Exterran Holdings based upon it's limited partner and general partner interest in Exterran Partners were $14 million in the second-quarter compared to $13.7 million in the first-quarter of 2014. Late last week, Exterran Holdings' Board of Directors declared the third-quarterly cash dividend to common stockholders of $0.15 per share to be paid August 18, 2014.

  • Now turning to Exterran Partners. Exterran Partners had a good performance in the second-quarter. Ending operating horsepower increased by 520,000 to approximately 2.79 million operating horsepower. The majority of this growth was a result of the April 2014 MidCon acquisition. But our organic horsepower growth was also significant at 76,000 as growth in shale and liquids-rich plays more than offset net stops in conventional dry gas plays.

  • Turning to financial results, Exterran Partners' EBITDA as further adjusted was up 22% to $68.6 million as compared to $56.1 million in the first-quarter of 2014. The sequential increase in EBITDA as further adjusted is predominantly related to the April 2014 MidCon acquisition and to organic growth. Distributable cash flow was $42.4 million in the second-quarter of 2014, up 17.5% as compared to 306 -- $36.1 million in the first-quarter of 2014.

  • Maintenance capital expenditures were in line with our expectations at $11.9 million in the second-quarter as compared to $10.2 million in the first-quarter. Distributable cash flow coverage in the second-quarter was 1.26 times as compared to 1.09 times in the first-quarter. Excluding the benefit of the cost cap payment, our distributable cash flow coverage was a solid 1.22 times in the second-quarter of 2014.

  • Cost cap reimbursements from EXH to EXLP were $1.4 million related to the SG&A cap and $0 related to the operating cost cap in the second-quarter of 2014. $1.4 million of total cost cap reimbursements in Q2 compares very favorably to the $6.2 million of cost caps reimbursed by EXH to EXLP in Q1 and demonstrates meaningful progress we have made towards eliminating the need for cost cap reimbursements by the end of 2014.

  • Revenue for the second-quarter was $145.7 million as compared to $121 million in the first-quarter. Gross margin improved to 59% in the second-quarter, up from 56% in the first-quarter. Cost of sales per average operating horsepower was $22.10 in the second-quarter, down 6% compared to the first-quarter of 2014 and down 3% from prior-year levels.

  • SG&A expenses for the second-quarter were $19 million compared to $19.4 million in the first-quarter. Depreciation and amortization for the second-quarter increased $31.7 million compared to $27.9 million in first-quarter due in large part to the April 2014 MidCon acquisition.

  • Interest expense for the second-quarter was $14.8 million, up as compared to $9.7 million in the first-quarter driven by the April 2014 senior notes offering. Net income per a limited partner unit was $0.26 in the second-quarter compared to $0.09 in the first-quarter. Late last month, Exterran Partners announced its distribution of $0.5425 per limited partner unit or $2.17 per limited partner unit on an annualized basis. Our quarterly distribution is $0.005 higher than the first-quarter distribution and $0.02 higher than the second-quarter 2013 distribution.

  • Earlier this quarter, we announced that we reached agreement with MidCon to acquire another attractive package of compression assets totaling 110,000-operating horsepower. We expect this accretive transaction to close in the third-quarter and we expect to recommend to the Board of Directors of Exterran Partners, that Exterran Partners increase the distribution to limited partner unit holders by an incremental $0.005 per limited partner unit for a total increase of $0.01 per limited partner unit [before the] transaction closes or $0.04 on an annualized basis per limited partner unit.

  • On the balance sheet, total debt increased by $240 million during the quarter to $1.042 billion at June 30, 2014. Due to the partial funding of the April 2014 MidCon acquisition through debt financing and capital deployed to fund internal growth opportunities, available but undrawn capacity under Exterran Partners debt facilities at June 30 was approximately $448 million. As of June 30, 2014, Exterran Partners had a total leverage ratio, which is covenant debt to adjusted EBITDA as defined in the credit agreement, of 3.8 times as compared to 3.3 times at the end of the first-quarter.

  • Gross capital expenditures for the second-quarter of 2014 were $79 million consisting of $67 million for fleet growth capital and $12 million for maintenance activities. For full year 2014, we expect total fleet growth capital expenditures to be in the $200 million to $225 million range and maintenance capital of approximately $50 million.

  • In summary, the second-quarter highlights for Exterran Partners included solid operating performance, improved DCF coverage, strong organic growth, the completion of a significant acquisition, and the announcement of an additional acquisition. All in all, it was a very good quarter. At this point, I would like to turn the call back over to the Operator.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • And we have a question from Mike Urban of Deutsche Bank.

  • - Analyst

  • So looked like a really great operating performance in general especially in the compression segments. Do you have a sense for how much of the improvement in the North America margin was the MidCon deal verses some of the underlying operating improvements you've been talking about? Our sense was, at least your guidance was, that we should expect some significant improvement but more in the second half, so trying to establish underlying improvement verses how much was the deal.

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes, this is still the second quarter, not yet the second half so that guidance that we gave remains in place. We're still ambitious about improvements that we can drive in the North America Contract Operations margin through operating performance improvement. But we did have really good sequential improvement in our operating results, without including the impact of the acquisition, and the acquisition topped it up from there. So, from my perspective we were really right on track with very good operating quarter and MidCon acquisition brought the gap up nicely.

  • - Analyst

  • And then focusing in on the MidCon deal, obviously nice improvement there having a partial quarter. You did have it most of the quarter though, but were there any transitional items there, integration issues such that you think you can improve on the performance of MidCon as well?

  • - President & CEO

  • The North America team, the HR team did a great job integrating that acquisition. It went -- and by the way, the MidCon team also supported the integration really well. So we look at that right now as just a tremendous success in integrating that acquisition in without any hiccups.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And I think that was it for me, I'll turn it over.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from Jim Rollyson of Raymond James.

  • - Analyst

  • Brad, you guys have stepped up the organic growth this year in addition to external M&A. And you mentioned it sounds like it's going to continue at least for the second half. Can you give us some sense of magnitude in terms of second half and maybe even thinking beyond 2014?

  • You guys historically have spent more time getting idle units back to work and now you're passed a lot of that in getting the organic side. What's the appetite like out there to continue to grow at this, I think you said 100,000-horsepower of gross new and obviously a little under 80,000 net. Are we looking at similar performance in the second half and as we think about this past 2014, is this something that's repeatable in 2015 and 2016 given what's going on with infrastructure growth?

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes, Jim, thanks for the question. When you think about what we've seen at the end of 2013 and then Q1, Q2, needless to say, the Q2 growth at 77,000-horsepower at the overall North America level is fairly outstanding compared to what we've accomplished in prior quarters. So it's really challenging to extrapolate that as a trend. But what I will say, is that in the near term, we still see good really robust bookings levels and demand across our unit and our horsepower ranges for growth giving us some perspective that we have good growth ahead in the second half of 2014.

  • Stepping one back off of the macro, we think that the business is well poised to take advantage of this infrastructure build out in North America beyond that. So we feel real good about the business prospects, but on the longer term as you guys know, as we all know, the business can still throw us, everybody, some vacillation in both demand and in pricing that is a little bit harder to predict. But we think in the near term well positioned for growth, and in the long term we're going to participate in infrastructure build out. So we think the appetite is good.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Great, thanks for that. Given what's going on organically this year and how strong a year it's been from you from the M&A perspective with the two MidCon acquisitions, how do we think about drop downs which has been your main driver of growth at least at the partner side historically? Are you at a point where you probably can write off the idea of doing another drop down this year and push it into next or is that something that's still possibly on the table?

  • - President & CEO

  • Well, we're not going to, as usual, predict the timing of the next drop down. It is fair to say that the drop down that could have been expected before now or at this time, was preempted by other activity that we've been engaged in and pretty excited about. But we do remain fully committed to the drop down strategy and we expect to execute drop downs in the future. We are not going to talk about timing.

  • - Analyst

  • Fair enough. And last one, outlook for possible future M&A. Is there still stuff out there beyond the MidCon stuff that interests you?

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes, in a word, there is, I believe there are still some good assets being operated out there. We will be opportunistic in looking at what the markets going to offer us. But we're also going to remain disciplined in buying high-quality asset packages only when we look at what's out there. So we may actually bypass a couple of transactions because of our demand to improve the operating quality of our fleet, the competitiveness of our fleet, and the trade off between what we can do from a high-quality growth perspective with organic investments, or investments in the fleet ourselves, verses what's on the market place, is one that we're going to balance pretty aggressively. So yes, I think the market will consolidate a bit further and we've seen activity by others. And we like to see that consolidation. We'll be opportunistic about the transactions that we get to look at and are willing to invest in.

  • - Analyst

  • Understood. Thanks, Brad.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from Blake Hutchinson of Howard Weil.

  • - Analyst

  • Interested to get some commentary around the competitive landscape in North America. I guess in other periods of expansion where you're enjoying the organic growth you are, I might have expected to see the compressor portion of your Fab business pick up quite a bit. Is there something unique about this expansion with regard to operators or midstream participants and their appetite to own their own equipment verses use a third-party contractor that keeps the share of the competitive landscape more toward you and your peer group, or unique about the assets you're putting back or the contract structure? Or how should we think about that?

  • - President & CEO

  • Let me give it a try, Blake. There's a lot in your question. But the first is the premise out the gate, we are seeing very good demand for our fabricated compression product. And we think the market demand is pretty high there also.

  • So right now what we're seeing in contract operations reflects good market capture and some of the customers in our portfolio that are opting for the contract operations option more than the buy option and a few of the plays that are developing. But I do want to share with you that we're seeing pretty good demand in overall fabricated sales and so is the market. And the market still has quite a bit of capacity in fabrication space.

  • So I don't think you're seeing a change overall in the split between the outsource model and insource model by our customers or for us, the contract operations verses the sold compression in our business. I think it's actually still fairly consistent but we are seeing pretty good demand in CFS as we saw a reduction in some of our other manufactured products that may not be coming through as strongly as it should.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, that's great. And then your near quarter guidance for Fab suggested that margins could be on par with your recent experience, but you did call out a larger percentage of Belleli and we have some install running through there. What's the confidence level that we can maintain margins as mix shifts a bit?

  • - President & CEO

  • Well, confidence level is good. The margin that we are guiding to reflects the fact that we have improved the underlying performance and profitability of several of these businesses. And the projects that we're booking now and moving into back logs will support that. The projects that we're executing on that will run through revenue in Q3 also support that. So I would say our confidence level is pretty good.

  • - Analyst

  • And then finally I think on the last call or recently you've been talking about having about 70,000-horsepower of pure compression assets to put to work internationally. Is that separate from the $75 million in backlog that you called out that would kick in more in 2015 and we could actually see International compression count maybe creep up a little bit between now, and that period you cited, for perhaps a higher revenue run rate to kick in?

  • - President & CEO

  • The 70,000 horsepower and $75 million of annual revenue are the same projects going to work.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. So that timing is good for layering those in?

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks. That's it for me, I'll turn it back.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from [Bauvish Ledia] of Credit Suisse.

  • - Analyst

  • Most of my questions were asked but a follow up on organic side of things. What are size of units that you are seeing most in demand today?

  • - President & CEO

  • For the horsepower size, we see good demand across our horsepower ranges. I think in quantity the bulk of what we're putting to work by horsepower is in the 1,000 to 1,300-horsepower range. By horsepower that's the biggest volume. But we're also seeing very good demand for gas lift units down to the 200-horsepower range. And then the middle category which is going to be in the 800-horsepower range and lower, but not so small as 200, is going to come in third. But demand is pretty high among those horsepower ranges, all horsepower ranges.

  • - Analyst

  • And could you remind us, what kind of horsepower is your idle capacity at the parent level and if that could be reconditioned and brought back into use?

  • - President & CEO

  • The average horsepower of the idle is not substantially different from the horsepower of the operating fleet, right in the 450-horsepower per unit range. But it cuts across the board, so the average is not very meaningful. There is a lot of that horsepower that will go back to work in the right locations and in some plays, somewhat dependent upon both demand, gas pricing, and how the dry gas plays, whether they get activated or reactivated. So that's the picture I'd paint on the idle fleet.

  • - Analyst

  • Right. And maybe on the future investments and organic side, are you seeing any cost pressures or shortages of labor or materials? And if so, where? And what is the way that we should think about the kind of multiples you're getting from the organic spending?

  • - President & CEO

  • So the market is competitive. That definitely impacts pricing, and it has an impact on equipment availability going out. So when the market really heats up and customers are demanding equipment, we do see some pressures and management is required, of what we can get from the OEMs for components, that is our engines, and compressors, and other components, to get into the fleet fast enough.

  • To date we have not experienced, and we don't believe the market has experienced a substantial delay in the availability of equipment. We have seen times go out from OEMs but it has not been a substantial delay. We have not seen the same thing in the labor market for fabricating the units so we can actually get them through our shops efficiently. We believe the market can too. So those pressures have not exacted much of a toll to date.

  • The labor markets that are of most concern are where we see demand for field personnel in high-growth areas. And we and our customers and our competitors are working very hard to get the manpower and labor into the right locations to drive that growth. And that remains a bit of a cost pressure for us.

  • - Analyst

  • And how should we think about multiples for your organic investments?

  • - President & CEO

  • We look at low teens returns on our organic horsepower investments is the way to think about them.

  • - Analyst

  • Sounds good. Thanks a lot for answering my questions.

  • Operator

  • And our next question come from Tristan Richardson of D.A. Davidson.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks, guys. All my questions have been answered.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from Daniel Burke of Johnson Rice.

  • - Analyst

  • Brad, I wouldn't think this would be the case, MidCon was so recently acquired but is the MidCon acquisition as of Q2, enabling via any backlog or commitments they have, a portion of that substantial uptick in organic additions you guys saw in Q2?

  • - President & CEO

  • It's not a substantial portion of the organic additions, but there are some, in that, what we acquired with that horsepower included some growth opportunities that we are able to pursue. And we're very pleased about that. The acquisition is not just well supported by MidCon but it was also very well supported by Access, the customer on the other side of that service. We've developed a very good relationship with Access and we have gotten a few growth opportunities because of the acquisition just not substantial in the number.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then maybe I missed this, but I know as typically you guys provide an update on organic CapEx plans, but what is the total organic horsepower amount you'll bring to market this year?

  • - VP of Finance, Exterran Holdings and CFO, Exterran Partners

  • We only provide guidance for our growth capital that we're going to spend and so we don't really give out a horsepower number.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. I thought I had a 200,000 number from earlier a couple quarters ago. I assume it's moved up since that time, was looking for an update, but that's no problem. And maybe one other one. Any thought with nat gas prices weakening here a little. How responsive do you guys feel horsepower returns are at this point? We've seen a lot of pressure on nat gas pricing for a long time, but how responsive are horsepower returns to near month nat gas prices?

  • - President & CEO

  • Interesting question, Dan. They are not overly responsive within the price bans that we're seeing currently. So even though they're -- over a long period of time sustained lowering of natural gas prices will definitely have an impact. In the near term, within the price ban that we've seen for the last few quarters, it has not driven change in our stop activity including in dry gas plays. In fact, our dry gas stop activity in the second quarter was as low as we've seen in a while, notwithstanding some pressure on natural gas pricing during that period of time. So the correlation is longer term.

  • And the other factor I'd throw out is that when you think about our growth and where we're putting horsepower to work, a huge amount of it, the vast majority of it is for associated gas and/or gas lift which means that the correlation on the growth side is not there on natural gas pricing. It's really there on oil and liquids. So those two dynamics right now are working to help support the growth that we're seeing.

  • - Analyst

  • All right. And maybe I'll cram one more then. Speaking of associated gas, could you comment a little bit on the health on the Fabrication side of production and processing in the US market?

  • - President & CEO

  • Sure. On the production equipment side, we've seen very good levels of demand especially in the most recent quarter. Demand was a little lower in Q1 but it picked up nicely in Q2 and we see very robust demand right now in production equipment. On processing and treating, year to date, demand has been a little lower than we expected but current activity levels are high and so we're still expecting that product line to perform well for the year. And I should say, perform well especially in the back half of the year.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Well great, thanks so much for the time.

  • Operator

  • And our next question come from Sharon Lui of Wells Fargo.

  • - Analyst

  • With regards to the second pending MidCon acquisition, can you maybe provide some commentary on the multiple, maybe touch on the quality of the assets and whether the contract terms and pricing is pretty consistent with your existing metrics?

  • - President & CEO

  • I'll do it and ask David to talk me up a bit. But number one, high-quality assets. About 110,000-horsepower with a solid customer and a great play and a predominantly younger larger equipment. So it's just high quality.

  • From a contract term, it's under a long-term contract for a bulk of the horsepower. That's in excess of what we typically contract for at smaller horsepower levels but it's consistent with what we would contract at the larger horsepower levels. So longer term contract, high-quality customer, high-quality equipment and we're pretty happy about that.

  • As far as the transaction multiples, we don't really share that information. If you want to do the math though, thinking about it's larger horsepower and our gross margin dollar per horsepower is something you can back into.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful. And then for the recent CSI acquisition, wondering if you were involved in the process or if that package of assets would have been of interest?

  • - President & CEO

  • Sharon, it's not really our business to comment on the transactions that others have. We've respected CSI as a competitor and as a good company and we wish that business and its new ownership structure well.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from Joe Gibney of Capital One.

  • - Analyst

  • I had one quick modeling housekeeping question. A lot of moving parts with the MidCon deal flow through, I was curious if you could give us a little bit of assistance on expectations on interest expense at the EXH level into 3Q?

  • - VP of Finance, Exterran Holdings and CFO, Exterran Partners

  • At the EXH level?

  • - Analyst

  • Yes.

  • - VP of Finance, Exterran Holdings and CFO, Exterran Partners

  • In the $25 million range, maybe a little bit north of that.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you. That's all I had, I appreciate it.

  • - VP of Finance, Exterran Holdings and CFO, Exterran Partners

  • Okay, yes we called the convert and as you know there's a pretty high interest rate undergirding the convert.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from [Maji Kahn] of Trevian Capital.

  • - Analyst

  • Congratulations on the good results and the great execution on the MidCon acquisition. Most of my questions have been asked, but I was wondering given that -- well maybe first, there's been a lot of talk about condensate exports in the market, specifically, Pioneer and Enterprise have authorizations from the Congress Department to export some condensate. I'm wondering if on the Fabrication side you guys have seen any pick up in interest for distillation towers or stabilizers?

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes. We have seen the opportunity for especially stabilization to drive and pick up in some of our product offerings, so we are seeing it. It hasn't yet come to the scale of materiality in what we see from a bookings perspective, Maji, to be clear. But there definitely is a shift and some interest in those products as a result of the possibility for export.

  • - Analyst

  • Got it. And, I guess, this will be a trickier one. Given the organic horsepower growth and the fact that EXLP cost caps are almost gone, I am wondering how you and the Board are thinking about the dividend policy on a going forward basis. I notice doing a very good job of hiding the value of the GP from the market. So I'm wondering how you guys are thinking about that for the future.

  • - President & CEO

  • Yes, look, fair question, and can I promise you that we are not intentionally trying to hide the value of the GP, or any of the value that we have structurally in the EXLP in North America operations. But for the dividend policy, that is fully set at the discretion of the Board and we're going to look at a number of factors going forward. And they're going to include earnings availability, cash flow and market conditions, and impeding uses of capital in setting the dividend policy.

  • - Analyst

  • Got it. Thank you. As always, great job.

  • - President & CEO

  • Thanks, Maji.

  • Operator

  • And we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Childers.

  • - President & CEO

  • Everyone, we appreciate very much your interest in Exterran Holdings and Exterran Partners and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating, you may now disconnect.