Aqua Metals Inc (AQMS) 2022 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Greetings, and welcome to the Aqua Metals Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2022 Investor Call. (Operator Instructions)

I will now turn the conference over to our host, Bob Myers, of Investor Relations. Thank you, you may begin.

Thank you, operator, and thank you, everybody, for joining. Earlier today, Aqua Metals issued a press release, providing an operational update and discussing financial results for the fourth quarter and full year ended December 31, 2022. This release is available on the Investor Relations section on the company's website at www.aquametals.com.

Hosting the call today are Steve Cotton, President and Chief Executive Officer; Judd Merrill, the company's Chief Financial Officer; Ben Taecker, Chief Engineering and Operating Officer; and Dave McMurtry, Chief Business Officer.

Before we begin, I would like to remind participants that during the call, management will be making forward-looking statements. Please refer to the company's report on Form 10-K filed today at March 9 for a summary of the forward-looking statements and the risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements.

Aqua Metals' cautions investors not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements. The company does not undertake and specifically disclaims any obligation to update or revise such statements to reflect new circumstances or unanticipated events as they occur, except as required by law.

As a reminder, after the formal remarks, we will be taking questions. Questions will be accepted over the phone from the analysts, and all other investors can submit a question using the online webcast portal provided in today's and last week's press release. We will take as many questions as we can in our available time slot.

And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Steve Cotton, CEO of Aqua Metals. Steve, the call is yours.

Thank you, Bob, and thank you to everyone who joined us today. The fourth quarter of 2022 captive watershed year for Aqua Metals, with several new milestones surpassed and continued progress scaling our innovative battery recycling technology, which we call AquaRefining.

While we finished proving our lithium AquaRefining technology at both lab and bench scales earlier in the year, in the fourth quarter, we completed as guided, the installation of our pilot scale facility and commenced operations. As a result, we are now recovering high-purity metals through a first-of-its-kind regenerative electro-hydrometallurgy process. The input to our process is from black mass, which is made by our supply partners from spent lithium-ion batteries.

Our progress enables us to continue advancing our discussions with prospective partners as we share samples of key products such as our directly recycled lithium hydroxide for high-performance batteries at representative industrial scale.

Our continued progress during Q4 affirmed our confidence that this will be a transformative year for Aqua Metals as we move from concept to production and from a vision of clean metals recycling to operations and revenue. I couldn't be more proud of the work our entire team is performing and have never been more confident in our company and our prospects for the future.

The era of lithium-ion batteries is a bonus from electric passenger delivery vehicles to energy storage systems and portable devices, lithium-ion batteries are everywhere. We are now at the precipice of the transition from the economy primarily powered by fossil fuels to 1 built upon clean energy sources and the required critical minerals to repeatedly store and then release that energy.

But even if the extraction of resources like lithium, nickel and cobalt ramps up globally, many of these metals are in very short supply as battery manufacturing capacity continues to grow and forecast show these supply shortages continuing for years to come. While new recycling manufacturing capacity takes only a couple of years to build, new mines and refining capacity to take a decade or more to come online.

Recycling at scale will be essential to satisfying the meteor growth in demand for lithium batteries, but we believe the current and many proposed recycling solutions are not viable long-term. Current pyro and hydrometallurgy recycling systems are just too costly and inefficient and produce untenable amount of pollution in landfill waste.

Recycling 1 ton of black mass simply can't require the use of multiple tons of chemicals or result in multiple tons of waste and pollution and still be effective or sustainable. Our lithium AquaRefining plant is demonstrating that a closed-loop sustainable recycling solution that eliminates the need for polluting furnaces and intensive chemical processes is not only possible, but it can be more adoptable and cost-effective.

By using electricity as the primary reagent to our patently unique and innovative combination of low-temperature hydrometallurgy and electroplating, we can dramatically reduce our energy consumption and eliminate as much as 95% of the waste associated with pyro and hydro-recycling and truly close the supply chain loop in a sustainable way.

We also believe that AquaRefining is now the only proven battery recycling technology that can produce lithium hydroxide at scale instead of making lithium carbonate or other lithium salts. Hydroxide is also consistently more valuable than carbonate in metals markets. This unique ability to generate lithium hydroxide natively with our AquaRefining process significantly increases the value of each ton of black mass that we process today and it enhances our ability to economically process nickel and cobalt free chemistries like lithium iron phosphate or LFP batteries in the future.

Our pilot plant operates in the heart of the domestic supply battery chain in the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center near many key players in Nevada's Lithium look. As we continue to advance operations at our pilot and develop our recently announced commercial campus, we are also building a partnership ecosystem. We have secured black mass to scale our operations through agreements with leading feedstock suppliers and are turning that material into salable products and samples for ongoing partnership and advanced offtaker discussions.

All of this progress shows that Aqua Metals is well positioned to lead as we begin to generate our first revenues from materials recovered from lithium-ion batteries. We have broadened participation from the senior team on today's call, and I'm going to ask Judd to walk through the financials next, then I'll turn the call over to Ben Taecker, our Chief Engineering and Operations Officer, to talk in more detail about the pilot plant and our engineering efforts.

Lastly, I'll ask Dave McMurtry, our Chief Business Officer, to join the call to discuss relationships and partnerships and our commercial initiatives and provide an update on activity to pursue grants within the Department of Energy.

So I'll now turn the call over to Judd.

Thanks, Steve. Let me start my comments first with our balance sheet. As of December 31, 2022, we had total assets of $33.5 million and working capital of $10.9 million. We ended the year with total cash of approximately $7.1 million. And as a reminder, we expect to collect the remaining balance of 2,500 Peru asset sale of approximately $12 million by the end of March.

Part of the proceeds from this cash collection will be used to retire the $6 million non-dilutive note with Alpen that we secured in 2022. Cash on hand and cash received from this asset sale significantly cover the cost related to our pilot plant and general corporate needs for the remainder of 2023. We also saw during 2022, an increase in property and equipment related to the equipment installed for our pilot plant and for equipment installed at ACME.

And subsequent to year-end, we completed the purchase of a building and property from an unaffiliated party located in TRIC for $4.275 million. The land totals approximately 5 acres, and the building is approximately 21,000 square feet. The company intends to redevelop the existing building and install our first commercial-scale lithium AquaRefining system, and the purchase was funded with a $3 million note.

There were no other significant changes to our balance sheet since our last quarterly report. So I'll move on to the income statement. We had no commercial production during 2022, and as a result, no significant revenues were generated during the year. Research and development costs increased by approximately 94% for 2022 compared to the year ended December 31, 2021. Again, these costs included expenditures made toward building out and commissioning our pilot facility.

General and administrative expenses increased approximately 1% for the year ended December 31, 2022, compared to the year ended December 31, 2021. This was in line with expectations and guidance. Non-cash charges included in G&A, including stock comp were approximately $2.5 million.

For 2022, we had an operating loss of $15.6 million compared to an operating loss of $17.5 million for 2021. Our net loss for 2022 was $15.4 million or a negative $0.20 per basic and diluted share compared to a net loss of $18.2 million or a negative $0.26 per basic and diluted share for 2021. The net loss in 2021 included an offset of insurance proceeds of approximately $4.8 million.

We continue to manage our cash utilization. Cash used in operating activities for the year ended December 31, 2022, was $11.1 million. Q4 cash needs were approximately $800,000 to $850,000 per month as expected and largely due to the addition of more employees and consultants as we invested more in lithium-ion battery recycling technology.

Net cash used in investing activities for the year was $3.4 million. This consisted mainly of $4.8 million utilized towards the purchase of property and equipment, $1.8 million proceeds from the sale of equipment and $0.5 million utilized towards the additional investment in LiNiCo.

Net cash provided by financing activities was $13.4 million for the year. This consisted of $6.5 million in net proceeds from the sale of Aqua Metals shares pursuant to the ATM and $5.9 million net proceeds from the bridge loan. We have maintained a healthy balance sheet throughout 2022 and into 2023.

Our year-ending cash balance expected lithium battery metals revenues and asset sales in 2023 will support our current organization and pilot plant operations throughout the year. And with that, that concludes my remarks on the financials.

I will now turn it back over to Steve.

Thanks, Judd. I'd now like to have Ben Taecker, our Chief Engineering and Operations Officer speak about the pilot plant.

Thank you, Steve. As Steve mentioned, in December, we completed equipment installation and began operating our first-of-its-kind lithium AquaRefining battery recycling facility at our innovation center in the Tahoe Reno Industrial Center. The facility is the first pilot scale electro-hydrometallurgy battery recycling facility in North America.

The fully automated pilot is operational, enabling clean, safe and immediate recovery of valuable critical minerals from spent lithium batteries. As a reminder, the facility utilizes electricity to recycle black mass rather than chemicals, fossil fuels and high temperature furnace operations. Our proprietary patent-pending technology is a low-emissions closed-loop recycling solution capable of recovering all valuable metals and minerals, including high-purity lithium hydroxide, cobalt, copper, nickel and manganese dioxide from lithium batteries.

Lithium AquaRefinery utilizes electroplating powered by electricity to recover metals enabling low-cost and efficient production of high-purity products. In the weeks following the submission of this plant, we began successfully recovering critical battery metals, from set lithium-ion batteries at production scale throughout our electro-hydrometallurgy process. The first product recovered was high purity copper, a metal that is essential to building a domestic battery manufacturing industry.

More recently, we recovered high-purity lithium hydroxide directly from lithium battery black mass. The recovery of lithium hydroxide significantly improved the economics of recycling well us lithium-ion batteries as well as other battery chemistries like lithium iron phosphate or LFP where lithium makes up a majority of the valuable material in the battery.

Over the coming weeks, we expect to recover nickel, cobalt and manganese dioxide, recycling all the valuable minerals within a common black mass feedstock. Because AquaRefining is designed to remove trace elements and recover these, pure metal selectively, we believe that the design of our innovative lithium AquaRefining system can process feedstock with varying concentrations of minerals and adapt to future changes in lithium battery chemistries.

I'd also like to emphasize the lithium hydroxide is often preferred over lithium carbonate or other lithium salts for cathode material in electric vehicles and energy storage systems, due to its ease of use in manufacturing and superior electrochemical performance. We believe this aligns Aqua Metals with the current and future needs for our potential partners in the battery manufacturing ecosystem.

Our goal with the pilot is to demonstrate that lithium AquaRefining is an economically superior process that offers a low-cost solution to recycle critical minerals and achieve net 0 emissions. In addition, we have recently laid out a phased commercial development plan for our new recycling canvas with space for more than 10,000 metric tons per year of recycling capacity.

Lastly, we have a lead AquaRefinery operation with our partner in license, ACME Metal in Taiwan. ACME and Aqua Metals are currently in discussions about the next phase of that relationship.

With that, I'll turn it back over to you, Steve.

Thanks, Ben, and thanks to you and your team for delivering on our vision and commitment for getting our innovative pilot plant up and running. I hope many of you on this call can visit the plant over the next few months as seeing it firsthand can really help and internalizing what we have created is truly special.

I'd now like to have Dave McMurtry, our Chief Business Officer, speak to our commercial initiatives and partnerships. Since this is the first time Dave has participated in our quarterly update call, a quick intro. Dave was appointed Chief Business Officer in July 2022 from his previous role as Chief Strategist.

He's a talented Silicon Valley Tech Executive with experience in renewable energy and the international market development. For the prior 25 years, Dave has held multiple global executive positions, including with Intuit, Inc. and Habitat for Humanity International.

Thank you, Steve. As Steve noted, my passion for renewable energy led me to Aqua Metals and as a global business leader, I know our technology will make a lasting difference. Our team is strategically pursuing multiple paths to scale the growth of AquaRefining, which will reduce the need for mining.

Our sustainable recycled lithium batteries can help ensure a robust supply of critical metals to meet the bipartisan infrastructure law and the Inflation Reduction Act ambiguous goals for domestic content and enable us to share samples and advance our discussions with prospective partners in battery and cathode manufacturing.

We have already signed a letter of intent with Dragonfly Energy Corporation, a lithium ion battery producer and a nearby neighbor here in the Tahoe Reno area to provide Aqua Metals with spent lithium ion cells and manufacturing scrap as well as for the purchase of commercial quantities of lithium hydroxide from Aqua Metals.

Our expectation is that Dragonfly will deploy our lithium hydroxide in the next-generation solid-state lithium ion battery technologies and future manufacturing activities. Our goal now is to rapidly build out our partnership network. Dragonfly is a key example. We expect to add others both in the Reno Tahoe area and globally.

We are in active discussions with cell manufacturers, black mass providers, cell component manufacturers and CAM or cathode-active material manufacturers. Potential partners have already reviewed our process flow sheets and mass balances under NDA, have and will continue to visit our Innovation Center pilot plant.

We have conducted demonstrations of our proprietary process, showing both the process firsthand and the resulting materials we recover from black mass. We anticipate this will lead to additional partnerships. A key near-term focus is securing additional offtake partners to whom we can sell predefined quantities of recovered minerals at a predetermined pricing structure.

This will close the loop on our own business model, giving us a steady supply of black mass and moving customers for recovered materials. Interest in our technology is increasing, and this provides significant confidence as we look towards the remainder of 2023 and beyond.

Finally, let me speak to our progress with grants and specifically the Department of Energy. Recently, the DOE announced over $2.8 billion in grants in the first round of critical battery materials. Most of these grants go into parties in the general critical battery materials space, specifically extraction, processing and manufacturing.

We believe the completion and commissioning of our pilot plant operation, combined with the recently secured real estate for our 5-acre commercial scale recycling campus opens the door for us to effectively pursue the upcoming round of grants and loans in 2023, both from the Department of Energy and the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which we believe will have a greater focus on recycling.

We have established a team of seasoned professionals to identify, apply for and pursue grants, and we expect we'll have more to say about these efforts in the coming months.

With that, I'll turn the call back to Steve for closing comments.

Thanks, Dave. Dave mentioned our new commercial facility. Let me spend more time on that important topic. In mid-January, we entered into a $3 million loan agreement and purchased a building in McCarran, Nevada, just east of Reno, and not far from the Reno Tahoe International Airport and in fact, about a 5-minute drive from our lithium AquaRefining pilot plant at our Innovation Center.

We intend to commence phase development of a 5-acre recycling campus developed at this site. Ultimately, this site should be able to process more than 20 million pounds of lithium-ion battery material each year, representing significant revenue for us. We selected the site after a rigorous due diligence process and believe this will be the ideal home for our initial commercial operations.

Nevada is the only U.S. state with companies across every facet of the lithium battery supply chain, meaning mining, cell and battery pack manufacturing and now sustainable recycling. Our state-of-the-art recycling campus will be in to Tahoe-Reno Industrial Center in the epicenter of the region's growing battery ecosystem. Our first step, which is already underway, is modifying the existing building to meet our needs.

We will install a commercial-scale lithium AquaRefining system capable of recycled 3,000 tons of lithium battery black mass each year. We expect to complete the redevelopment of the current space and finalize equipment installation this year and to commence operations at the new campus in early 2024.

Over time, we anticipate expanding with additional buildings on the 5-acre site the space for up to 10,000 tons of processing power each year in 1 integrated campus complex. In summary, we are really excited about the progress we've made, and we believe we are on pace for a transformative year in 2023.

I'd now like to answer any questions with the team here that you may have and will turn over the call to our Investor Relations partner, FNK, to moderate.

(Operator Instructions) And our first question comes from Sameer Joshi with H.C. Wainwright.

Just a few clarifications on the partnerships. On the ACME front, you said there will be next steps are being discussed. Can you give a little bit more information on what kind of steps are being contemplated there?

Yes, Sameer, thanks for the question. So on ACME, the site is up and running as a showcase last quarter, which was just really several weeks ago. And now we're doing showcase demonstrations with our partner there, ACME in Taiwan, to various stakeholders. And I'll ask Ben to infill some further detail from the operations perspective.

Thanks, Steve. We're currently working with ACME to bring -- through key stakeholders, including key government agencies in the region of Taiwan and working with them to find out our next steps, which we should be announcing soon.

Okay, okay so we'll wait to hear on that front. On the Dragonfly front, I think you mentioned specifically solid-state batteries that they are planning to develop or manufacture and you will be supplying lithium hydroxide for that. Are your other targeted customers also in the solid state space or are they in the non-solid state spaces?

So yes, our marketplace is not only solid states such as the lithium iron phosphate, which is actually cobalt and nickel free for Dragonfly Energy, which we can talk about as well. But the overall market allows us to address multiple I'll ask Dave McMurtry from the commercial perspective to infill that.

Sure, so yes, our first publicly announced deal was the letter of intent from Dragonfly, which a little more information. We accept their manufacturing scrap and then we sell them the lithium hydroxide. We're actually bringing through NDA and I can't list to all they are, but many of the similar companies to Dragonfly to come in and see under similar partnerships where we will take their scrap and return them with our offtake products.

Got it. And then I just have a question on so just help us realize what is exactly happening at the pilot plant. I think you mentioned high purity copper was produced and now you're working on lithium hydroxide then subsequently on nickel, cobalt and manganese dioxide. Is the same black mass used over and over again and you're extracting these 1 at a time or how is this actually happening at the site?

I don't know if I completely understand the question, but the black mass that we bring into the system, it's a 1 pass through our operation and we're able to recover in the high 90% of all the metals in that black mass and anything that we do not recover or leach out, it's just a single pass through. It is not a circular system.

Okay. So copper, nickel, cobalt, all these metals are extracted at the same goal?

Yes 1 pass-through, and we are able to literally cover each 1 of those. There's, different product cells, but they're all in series. So as we're remove the copper then it goes to the next stage where we cover the next metal and so on.

Yes, that was my question. And then just 1 more question on the actual results for the December quarter it seems both the G&A as well as the R&D numbers are lower sequentially, and it is actually the lowest quarter of the year in terms of GAAP operating expenses. Should we expect these levels going forward or was there anything special in this quarter?

Yes, this is Judd. So our R&D costs will actually go down in 2023. There's a lot of R&D expense related to getting that pilot plant up and running. And so now it's just running things through that plant and getting ready to -- for expansion in the future. G&A, we'll see a slight increase.

We were happy that over the last 3 years, our G&A has been pretty close we try to keep that cost in line. We'll see some of that increase as we're expanding this year into pilot operations and trying to get ready for a new campus that we're building out. We'll see some of that increase as we go throughout '23.

And our next question comes from Colin Rusch with Oppenheimer.

Can you talk about where you're expecting to exit the quarter from a cash position perspective. And then also, how much of that receivable you'll still have left, it looks like about $3.5 million, but they'll still be there exiting the quarter?

Hey Colin, it's Judd. We expect to be in a very healthy cash position by the end of this quarter. We ended the year with $7 million -- and then we expect it's been communicated and even press release gone out from the company buying the 2,500 Peru, location but that will close by the end of this month, so just 3 weeks from now, those funds will come in.

And so, we should be in a really good healthy cash position. And so that does a couple of things for us. It keeps our cash balance strong, which we've been successful in the last few years, always keeping a, healthy cash balance. It helps us to fund our pilot operations and our G&A throughout the rest of this year.

Okay. I'll take it off the line and trying to get some more specifics. And then on the partnership pipeline, can you talk about the -- just the order of magnitude of the number of partners that you guys are engaged with? And kind of how much are those conversations are at this point?

Yes, thanks, Colin. This is Dave. So we're very excited about our coming years because the pipeline is very full, and they -- again, I can't share names under NDA, but they are the largest both offtake and feedstock providers, meaning those who are making black mass, we were talking to the biggest 3, those who were taking black mass and turning the batteries or other products are also the largest in the categories. So we're -- and they're very mature. So we're very excited about the coming year.

I'll now hand it over to Bob Myers to continue.

Thank you, operator. We certainly have some questions coming in on the portal, and I'll jump right in. So first, this is in the grants and government relationships area. Can you offer additional details about your efforts with the DOE and the grant status and how those efforts are going kind of overall and in general?

Thanks, Bob and questionnaire, this is Dave again. So I recognize I hit the government category a little quickly. It might be worthwhile to spend another minute explaining the process. So for those who haven't been watching the deal we understand the IRA, and how it's different from the BIL, the bipartisan infrastructure law it's the latter of the BIL that has set aside $6 billion for this space.

$3 billion and exalted its partner of energy the DOE, the first $3 billion first round went out this year and it was in the first 3 categories of the DOE which is extraction, processing and component manufacturing. We expect the second round to be further downstream in cell pack manufacturing applications and recycling.

For those of you who aren't aware of the DOE process, it's 3 steps it's an RFI, where they are requesting information, there is a concept paper where you write 3 to 5 pages on your solution to their problem. And then finally, if you receive a letter of application, which is a minority of the concept papers, you receive a letter of encouragement to write a full application.

We have received a letter of recommendation on our most recent grant [2768] [00:31:57], which means we are encouraged to continue based on our concept and technology is a solution to a problem that DOE things needs to be solved. So we are prepared now. We have a full team staff, which includes our DC-based advisers to respond to multiple flaws or funding opportunity announcements that come from the DOE. And we'll have a lot more to say about this as well as future flaws very soon. Thanks.

Great, thank you. And we touched upon this a little bit with some of the questions from the analysts, but there is a move toward some of these LFP batteries. And can we talk a little bit about how that affects us.

Yes, this is Ben. Fortunate for us, because we're able to recover the lithium, it doesn't have near the effect on us. Lithium is 1 of the more valuable metals in the recycling stream that we're able to recover in a hydroxide forum.

So we're currently recycling that today as part of our mix, and we expect that, that will likely increase in the future, and we're prepared for that, and we think we can create across the flow that effectively processes that is part of our mix. Also, it should be noted that our first partner is actually an LFP manufacturer, Dragonfly. So we're working closely with them both in the -- on-take and offtake.

That's great, thank you. A couple questions coming in about the campus facility and maybe we could talk a little bit about that from a strategic standpoint, a location, our kind of vision of that campus, if you can?

Yes, so this is Steve. So the strategic value of the campus being nearby is very helpful for us because our engineers and scientists and commercial team are all based out of the Tahoe Reno area. And so that allows for our first plant incarnation on a commercial level to really be closer to home and for us to really be able to move as quickly as we can.

Over time, as we talk to the partner network that Dave was talking about, there are partners that have opportunities with the deployment of our technologies and other locations, and we're going to consider those, and we will probably have more to say about that in the longer run. But the real birthplace and the key anchor for us has been and always will be right here in Reno in Nevada, the lithium state.

That's great, thank you. And maybe this is related to that because there's, some questions about kind of longer-term vision. We've outlined the campus, and we have a couple of different business models with the different minerals. Is there a -- can you maybe talk about how we see the lithium business playing out? And is this possible that leads into other business models in the future?

So our primary business model with the lithium AquaRefining is really to operate, build and operate plants and enjoy all the profits associated with the creation of the various minerals that we create. But the partnership opportunities can also enhance our revenue opportunities and even affect our business model. And I'll ask Dave to comment on different kinds of arrangements other than just solely owning and operating that we could potentially consider with some of these partners.

Thanks, Steve. This is Dave. And we're talking now with many partners who have extended their businesses beyond NMC. Quite frankly, the categories of batteries, the chemistries we're now talking about going high nickel, which is a nice way of saying low cobalt because of the geopolitical challenges of cobalt. If you're unaware, 70% of the world's cobalt comes from 1 province in the DRC, which is politically challenging.

People are also in other categories like - data centers and ESS are wondering about different types of chemistries. So the beauty of the Aqua Metals technology is that we are not NMC centric. We can use our technology, our clean and renewable technology to work on very different battery chemistries. So we are broadly able to serve many different sectors. Thanks.

Thank you, that's perfect. Another question here around the as we anticipate minerals and materials offtake partners, opportunities to sell these into the commodities market, are you -- are we able to talk about high level kind of revenue predictions?

So from a revenue perspective, the good news this year for Aqua Metals that we will be probably the first company in the U.S., if not North America, to enter revenues for the minerals that we produce from -- that we derive from black mass. But because we're at a pilot stage, it's not going to be a gigantic amount of revenue in 2023, but that will start to change as we get around the corner into 2024 with Phase I of our campus deployment. And I'll ask Judd to comment on what his views are in the revenue model since he is the CFO.

Yes, thanks, Steve. Yes, so as Steve mentioned, we will see revenues this year from the pilot operations, not huge amounts, but starting to head in the right direction. Where it gets more exciting is when we start building out and getting the pilot for the demonstration and commercial Phase I at a campus facility going. So we predicted that and modeled that, that first phase could generate about 3 -- or process 3,000 tons of black mass through that.

And so if you think about that and you start to model that, we look at what is the value of the metal in that black mass per ton. And we're seeing anywhere at today's metal prices between $20,000 and $30,000 worth of metal so that first phase to generate $60-plus million of revenue. The campus is intended to be built out to a total of 10,000 tons capacity.

And so once we get that first Phase I up and running in 2024, we'll begin developing and constructing and installing equipment in the second phase to get it up to that 10,000 ton capacity. So that gives you a little bit idea like what the potential is and where we're heading.

That's perfect, thank you. And there's a question here coming in on the portal around patents and the pending patents that we have around AquaRefining. Can we talk about that a little bit?

Yes, so we've submitted the patents in the first half of last year. So we're expecting those patents come through any time now. We're somewhat at the mercy of the other governments reviewing them, but we're excited that we could be announcing those very soon.

[00:39:14] [Talked about how the pilot plant is going audio gap and the campus], please.

Hey Bob you cut out there. Could you maybe restate the question you cut out.

Okay sorry. This is related to the pilot plant and building out the new building on the Waltham campus, we talk about actions, time and days and how we think about scaling pilot plant as we want to start moving equipment and building out the new campus?

Let me give you an update on the pilot plant and then what we're calling our demonstration plant, which is the larger 3,000 metric ton plant that Judd referred to, and this is Ben. At the pilot, we're currently going through the commissioning phase. So we're seeing the metals work through the system as we're charging the system with more and more black mass, we're seeing that push through is kind of how -- the process works.

So we're going to see in the near future, the rest of the array of the metals coming through. We're currently operating on a 16 by 5 schedule, and we'll be ramping to a 24 by 5 schedule, which will really help the throughput in the near future. It allows us to reach steady state and maximize the throughput of the operation. So we're going to see that ramp quite quickly here over the next couple of weeks.

On the demonstration plant, so we're going to be designing and building for a full 3,000 metric tons of capacity at that operation. And once we get that system installed, we'll do a similar type of a ramp where we'll see that number go up over the course of 2 to 3 months as we make it through the commissioning system and fully charged to the system

That's great, thank you Ben. That was the last question coming in on the portal. So I think we can start to wrap up.

Great, well, thanks, everybody, for joining the call today, and lots of great questions, and we are always here for follow-ups. We also are here if someone wants to come and see the facility. Now that we're operating, we can arrange that. We've been prioritizing, as I said in the past, strategic visitors.

And -- but as we continue through this quarter and into next, we anticipate we'll be able to take more people through the facility and show everybody how special it truly is. And thank you again, everybody, for your time, and we look forward to further updates in the near future.

Thank you, this concludes today's conference. All parties may disconnect. Have a great evening.