Albany International Corp (AIN) 2014 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the fourth quarter earnings call of Albany International. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will connect a question and answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. At the request of Albany International, this conference call on Tuesday, February 10th, 2015 will be webcast and recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, John Cozzolino, for introductory comments. Please go ahead.

Thank you Operator. And good morning everyone. As a reminder for those listening on the call, please refer to our detailed press release issued last night regarding our quarterly financial results, with particular reference to the Safe Harbor notice contained in the text of the release about forward-looking statements and the use of certain non-GAAP financial measures and associated reconciliation of GAAP. For the purposes of this conference call, those same statements also reply to our verbal remarks this morning. For a full discussion, please refer to that earnings release, as well as our SEC filings including our 10-K. Now I will turn the call over to Joe Morone, our Chief Executive Officer, who will provide some opening remarks. Joe.

Thanks John. Good morning everyone. Welcome to our Q4 2014 call. As usual, I will begin with a quick summary of the quarter, and then John, going through the slides, will go into more detail. I'll then follow with our outlook. And then we'll turn to your questions. As we described in the release, this was a solid quarter for Albany. Both businesses performed well. Sales grew by close to 4% excluding currency effects. Adjusted EBITDA grew by 8%. Total debt declined by $11 million, and by the end of the quarter our US pension obligation was essentially fully funded. Despite the volatility in currency and oil markets, there really weren't any surprises in this quarter. In Machine Clothing, sales in each major region were close to expectation and consistent with recent trends.

As John will discuss, gross margins improved. Despite the improvement, adjusted EBITDA was flat on a year-over-year basis because of increased R&D spending. In fact for the full year, the difference between 2013 and 2014 adjusted EBITDA in Machine Clothing is primarily due to increased R&D spending in 2014. That increase, together with an investment of nearly a third of total machine clothing CapEx for 2014, that increase reflects an accelerating effort and momentum associated with our new technology platform.

In AEC, as expected sales jumped to over $30 million for the quarter and $90 million for the full year, as we released to Safran, the first wave of parts manufactured in our second LEAP plant, which is in Commercy, France. Meanwhile preparations for the LEAP ramp intensified at both plants, development of the GE9x fan case advanced on schedule, our Boerne Texas operation continued to perform well, and research and technology continued its advance across the spectrum of new engine, air frame, and automotive applications. As we mentioned in the release, to support our exploration of applications in the automotive market, we have now signed a joint development agreement with Ricardo, a United Kingdom-based engineering company, with strong relations in the automotive industry.

So it was a good quarter with no surprises. Both businesses performed well, and remain firmly on track towards their long-term objectives. Now as I mentioned for more detail on the quarter, here's John.

Thank you Joe. I would like to refer you to our Q4 financial performance slides. Starting with slide three, net sales by segment, total net sales in Q4 increased 3.7%, excluding the effects of currency rate changes. On the same basis, MC net sales declined 1%, while AEC net sales increased 38.4%. As expected AEC sales in Q4 increased to a level higher than we would expect per quarter in 2015, as the Company recognized additional revenue related to the start-up of the new LEAP plants in Commercy, France. The Company gross margin percent as shown on slide four was down slightly to 38% in Q4, compared to 38.2% in Q4 of last year, as a higher portion of sales came from AEC. MC gross margin improved to 43% in the current quarter, compared to 41.7% in the same period last year. For the full year MC gross margin was 43.1% in 2014, compared to 42.8% in 2013. As discussed in the past, the average gross margin percent over the first half of the year tends to be higher than the average margin over the second half of the year.

Turning to slide five, earnings per share, we reported net income attributable to the Company in Q4 of $0.25 per share, compared to $0.27 per share in the fourth quarter of last year. Foreign currency revaluation gains and losses, resulting primarily from the revaluation of non-functional currency cash balances, Accounts Receivable and intercompany assets and liabilities, once again had a significant impact on the year-over-year comparison, as Q4 2014 EPS includes income of $0.10 per share for revaluation, compared to a loss of $0.03 per share on Q4 2013. During Q4 2014, the Company recorded a pension settlement charge of $0.16 per share, related to the completion of the previously disclosed US pension plan lump sum initiative. Other EPS effects in one or both periods related to discontinued operations, restructuring and tax adjustments are noted on the slide. Excluding the effects of the adjustments, EPS this quarter will be $0.35 per share, compared to $0.24 per share last year. I would also like to note that the full year tax rate for 2014 came in at 33.3%, compared to 48.8% last year.

Slide six provides adjusted EBITDA details for Q4 2014 and 2013. The last row in the table show the adjusted EBITDA amounts. The rows above that show the calculation of EBITDA along with the adjustments for items that include restructuring and pension settlement charges, and foreign currency revaluation gains and losses. Adjusted EBITDA in Q4 2014 increased to $36.3 million, compared to $33.6 million in Q4 of last year. MC adjusted EBITDA was essentially flat in the quarter compared to last year, while AEC adjusted EBITDA improved, principally due to the higher sales. For the full year 2014, total Company adjusted EBITDA improved to $144.8 million, compared to $135.4 million in 2013.

Lastly, slide seven shows our change in total debt and net debt. During Q4 total debt declined about $11 million to $273 million, bringing the full year decrease in total debt to about $32 million. Net debt, total debt less cash, increased approximately $5 million during the quarter, and about $11 million over the course of the year to $93 million. Currency rate changes had a negative impact on cash balances over the second half of the year, and excluding that effect, net debt would be about flat as compared to the end of 2013. Now I would like to turn it back to Joe for some additional comments before we go to Q&A.

Thanks John. So turning briefly to our outlook, as we discussed in the release, on the surface we expect 2015 to be similar to 2014, assuming macroeconomic conditions hold steady, we currently expect Machine Clothing adjusted EBITDA in 2015 to be comparable to 2014, and 2015 AEC sales to be 5% to 10% ahead of 2014 sales. But beneath the surface, 2015 will be an important year for both businesses. The overwhelming priority for AEC will be preparing for that ramp-up of the LEAP engine, which begins in earnest in the back end of 2016. At the same time we should learn a great deal more during 2015 about AEC's growth potential, beyond the fan blades and cases that we are making for the first versions of the LEAP engine.

In Machine Clothing, the key to 2015, as it is every year, will be to offset the structural erosion in the publication grades, and the ever-present price pressures, with productivity gains and growth in our strategic markets. But as with AEC, 2015 will also be an important year in Machine Clothing for learning about new technology. We plan to run several preliminary but important field trials of our new technology platform over the course of the year.

So to summarize, this was good quarter, in line with our expectations, and with no real surprises. And while our outlook for 2015 is for comparable performance to 2014, we think the year ahead will be a pivotal one for the long-term prospects of both our businesses. With that, let's go to your questions. Operator.

Thank you. (Operator Instructions). First go to the line of Jason Ursaner with CJS Securities. Please go ahead.

Good morning.

Hey, J. Congratulations by the way.

Well congratulations to Arnie, but we can talk more about that offline. In the Machine Clothing business, excluding the currency impact, revenue was still down slightly year to year. Commentary was that it was generally in line with the internal expectations. Just looking back, last year Q4, I think you had been a little disappointed with the revenue trends because of North America packaging grade. So I'm just wondering, shouldn't this have been more of an easy comparable period?

It should have been, if South America hadn't taken a dive on us. The South American economy. So you're right, if you go back to Q4 last year, we were pretty concerned about softness in the container board market, although by December, I think we mentioned by December we were starting to see a rebound. But that was a rough, Q4 2013 was a rough quarter for our most important market, which is container board in the Americas. This year, Q4 2014, that market was healthy. It was where we want it to be. No surprises there. But South America continued to be soft. You go back a year ago, and South America was really strong. So we would have seen better year-over-year were it not for South America.

Okay. And long- term, the thesis there, I think it had been to sort of hold or maybe even slightly grow revenue long-term with paper consumption, in order to hold EBITDA and outpace inflation. And now it seems to be changing a little to holding EBITDA and cash flows somewhat regardless of revenue. So I'm just wondering if I'm reading that right? And why, from a top line perspective, why maybe that's changed a little bit?

I don't think it's changed, Jay. I think the way to think of it is if you look at the volume, long-term prospects for volume that basic thesis holds that growth, incremental GNP-driven growth in packaging and in tissue and in South America should be sufficient to offset decline in the publication grades in North America, given our overexposure to those growth grades. And likewise we continue to, everything we see says from a volume perspective, growth in Asia should be sufficient to offset structural decline in Europe. Now the wild card has always been and continues to be pricing pressures plus inflation. And that's where the productivity comes in. So we haven't seen anything to really change that basic model. That Europe and Asia hedge and the growth segments including South America long-term and the Americas hedge against that publication grade.

And 2015, one of the reasons that we mentioned in the release start-ups in strategic markets in 2015, is we haven't really seen very many machine start-ups in those strategic markets over the last couple of years. We had seen a lot of new machine start-ups in Asia and China in particular before that. 2015 looks like the first year in a while where we start to see some of that machine start-up activity, which helps to drive some of that incremental growth in the growth segments that offsets the hit to the top line from publication. So that's why we mentioned start-ups in the release.

Okay. And gross margin in that segment was very strong. Just wondering maybe thoughts on sustainability and seasonality, and if you've seen any benefit yet, or if you expect to see any benefit from lower oil prices in your resin costs?

We don't see any reason to change our general view that gross margins are on average, a little bit higher in the first half than in the second. And over the course of the year, in the 43-ish range is still the right range. Now we have been really very successful at offsetting the impact of oil price increases when inflation had been strong on the oil side. We can't really expect to now, when it's dropping down, squeeze our suppliers. So we would expect less gain on the downside. And that's the trade-off for not getting as much upward pressure when oil prices were growing, or increasing.

And just last question for me. Obviously I have a lot of questions about the Ricardo JV, but maybe just what else is there that you can add, in terms of maybe potential size, timing or exclusivity?

It's more of a joint development agreement than it is a JV, in the sense that we're committed to going to build the plant and produce parts. We are jointly, for the next few years, going to explore, define, and try to pursue initial applications, as I said, in the high end, as I said before, in the high end of the automotive market. So it's a very deliberate attempt. We're looking at three or four kinds of parts that could be used on the chassis of the high end of the automotive market. And they've got the design, know how, and experience, plus the end-user contacts. We've got the technology. So let's try together to go explore that market. Could it turn into something more? It could. But right now, let's see if we can get some initial applications going.

Okay. Great. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks Joe.

Next we go to John Franzreb with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Joe and John. Do you have enough snow up there?

Please.

I was just wondering if you could provide a little bit more color on your thank you technology platform and PMC?

Well as you can tell from the comments, we're feeling encouraged by our experience over the last couple of years on this thing. So let me just, we have been working on this, let me step back a bit. We have been working on this for eight years now, nine years. And it has all of the attributes and all of the uncertainties of a classically disruptive technology. And the way disruptive technologies penetrate into the market, if they succeed, is in one of those, I hate to use the term again, one of those S-curves, where you have slow growth in niche applications over the first few years, and then you find the killer app, and you get a big increase in sales. And then it eventually flattens off as that's how you get that S-shape. We have found, we are starting to see success in those initial niche applications. We're actually, and the niche applications are in high-performance ends of the tissue market and the nonwovens markets. And we're actually feeling pressure, capacity pressure. We're running out of capacity, and so we're adding capacity to serve in those initial niche markets. We're seeing very promising performance characteristics. Whether this will becomes something that really starts penetrating into the core of our business, so we start climbing up the steep part of the S-curve, or it remains a niche play is the remaining question. And that's the question that we will begin to test this year with some preliminary trials in some of the more significant segments of our market. Now if it goes well, what we'll find with the trials this year is at best partial success. They'll run on it for a while on a real machine, and then we'll run into some problems. And so that's the best you can hope for in one of these early phase disruptive technologies, is you get it out in the field, you try it, and then you learn. And you hope you have a partial success, and you live another day to improve the thing and then try it again.

Another key to this is finding customers who are willing to serve as lead users, who are intrigued enough and interested enough to work with us on some initial trials. And then as we reiterated, prove it. And we have found some customers who are willing in fact to take this journey. So we are encouraged. We're adding capacity. We've put one of our most seasoned senior people in the Company in charge of trying to develop this technology realistically, and so we'll learn a lot this year from those additional trials.

Okay. And sticking with PMC, the machine start-ups, where geographically are they taking place?

All of our strategic markets. So even in North America we're seeing some start-ups on tissue, and in container board there are some restarts. In South America there are some large pulp machines that are starting up, and of course in China there are a few start-ups on the packaging side.

Okay. And moving over to AEC, can you just capsulize your non-aerospace opportunity that you're exploring, in addition to the one you mentioned in last night's press release? Just kind of give like a summation of where we stand?

Non-aerospace?

Correct.

Two years ago we did, with third-party help we did a study of the diversification potential outside of commercial and defense aerospace.

Okay.

And what we learned is there are applications everywhere for our technology. Essentially, anywhere where you have a need for lightweight load-bearing structures, that is a potential application for us. So anything from boats and sailing vessels, to bridges and buildings, to downwell drilling applications, a variety of energy applications, to the automotive market. What we found though, for all of those applications is the scale of the automotive market is orders of magnitude larger than anything else. And so we felt that rather than scatter our efforts, that we ought to make at least initially a concerted effort to see if we could break into the automotive market.

Now everybody, the two truths about the automotive market that are just overwhelmingly apparent, number one, the demand for high-strength lightweight, think impact-resistant lightweight in automotive is very high. It's everywhere. Every OEM and every Tier 1 wants what they call lightweighting solutions. On the other hand, the price pressures, I think I have mentioned this before, the price points in the mainstream of the automotive market are very, very tough. They are actually below the cost of our raw material to us right now. So the pathway in that we've identified, working with a partner, Ricardo, who really knows this market well, is start at the high end. And the high end is low volume by automotive standards. But by aerospace standards, it's LEAP-like volumes. It's high volumes.

So we're going to dedicate two or three years and a strong team of people, and whatever CapEx is necessary, with the help of Ricardo, to see if we can in fact break through at the high end. So that's really the primary focus of our diversification efforts. If we start getting traction there over the next year or two or three years, then we'll see whether it makes sense to double down on automotive, or to start looking at another one of many other potential applications outside of Aero.

Now, you had bantered names previously such as Maserati, working with, is that no longer part of what you're doing, or--?

Well, no, we had never mentioned a specific company that we were working with. We tried to use examples of high-end, high-performance OEMs that we think would be reasonable targets given this strategy. And so we are talking to some of them, with Ricardo as we speak. And we'll see if they turn into an opportunity to participate on one of their new platforms. That's really, I think we'll learn a lot this year and next year.

Okay. And against that backdrop, how should we be thinking about R&D spend in 2015 relative to 2014?

Take the run rate of the second half of this year in AEC, that's really, that should be the run rate for the full year in 2015. And then it will, it should just incrementally increase from there. As a percent of sales it will decrease, because sales will grow so fast. But we should based on the breadth and depth of opportunities we're seeing, I think you should assume that R&D spend from 2015 through the decade, is going to go up by, pick a number, $1 million a year. That might be a safe bet.

Okay. Thanks, Joe. I'll get back into queue.

Our next question is from Steve Levenson with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Joe and John. Sticking on the automotive side a little bit, is the barrier to better automotive market penetration related more to the cost of the fiber, the cost of manufacturing the part, or the resin, or is it the combination of all three, plus integrating it into current platforms?

I think let's start at the high end. At the high end, the barrier initially is going to be demonstrating that this technology works in vehicular automotive applications. It's one thing to bring to them a fan blade, and show them that a fan blade will withstand a bird strike. It's another thing to bring to them a side impact beam, and show them that side impact beam will withstand, a composite side impact beam will absorb comparable energy at a much lower weight than a metallic side impact beam. So that's the first step is proof, is developing and providing the data and analysis that will convince an automotive OEM to take the leap, and use this technology on one of their platforms, and be the first to use it.

Now once, if and when that occurs, then you start accumulating relevant industry data, then the cost questions rise to the fore. And how far down the pyramid toward higher volume applications you go, cost will become a much more important barrier. But the first step is to demonstrate that the performance that we have been able to achieve in Aero is directly relevant to the kind of performance impact-resistant, lightweight impact resistance that they're looking for in automotive. And that's what we are focusing on now.

Got it. Thank you. Then a question on the LEAP. And it's really a question of how you see the ramp. I know things don't start until the very end of this year, and it starts slow. But it should pick up pretty quickly. And I don't know if you can suggest to us, as a percentage of capacity utilization, where you going to be this year, where you're going to be next year if you're willing to say, and when you think the plants will be running pretty much full time?

Well, let's take this in steps, Steve. In our standard investor presentation, which is on our website, we have a chart there with our best estimate for how revenue will ramp. If you assume a run rate of around the low 50s in 2014, and then 10% improvement in 2015, so we're in the mid-50s, and then another 10% in 2016 so we're in the low 60s, from there on, 2017, 2018, 2019, that revenue should triple. So we should be in the 60 to 65 range in 2016, we should be in the 170 to 180 range in 2019 from LEAP. Now we tried to lay that out on the chart. That takes in to a lot of variables. One is what CFM is saying the number of engines they're going to produce. Second is our best estimate with our learning curve, as our price per shipped set comes down. And third is our best estimate of the lag, between when we produce and when they ship engines. So that's our best estimate. Basically a tripling of revenue, full year 2016 compared to full year 2019, you should see roughly a tripling of revenue.

Got it. Thank you very much.

(Operator Instructions). And we'll go to J.B. Groh with D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. Had a couple of left here. Looking at Ricardo, is looks like they touch a lot of other markets, and obviously automotive is one of the biggest ones, but looking other markets that they're involved in, do you think there are opportunities there? Maybe you could just address that?

It's one of the appeals of working with them. The focus initially really is on targeting automotives. And they, if you read the information that they released about this agreement, you will see they are feeling a lot of pressure and opportunity to come up with quote unquote, lightweighting solutions for their OEM clients. And we're that potential solution. So the prize really, you just can't overstate the magnitude of this market, if you can break in. So that's the prize. And we'll stay focused on that prize for a while. If we start turning to others, it means that we probably mean that we found that we're still a ways away from really breaking into that prize market. Either the performance wasn't there, or more likely the cost constraints were too high, then we'll shift to other markets. But this is so big that even if you just get a tiny piece of it, you've got a big opportunity.

Right, okay. Could you talk maybe about the cadence of RFP activity, or inquiries on the aerospace side? You've obviously landed a couple of nice wins there. But curious as to other parts that have potential, other programs that you're looking at that have potential?

Well, cadence is an interesting way of putting. There's a lot of activity. Whether the activity turns into opportunity, we'll see. But we are actively working it.

So that pace is still pretty strong?

Yes. I hesitate because for the guys working on it, they might say strong is a little too weak a word. We are out on the road constantly. But we'll see. You can't count the chickens until they're hatched, and we always, in every one of the opportunities we're going after, we have to displace an incumbent. So point number one is the OEM we're working with needs to have a weight problem, and need to have a motivation to move away from their incumbent. But we're working it on multiple fronts as we speak.

Okay. And then John, I think we talked a little bit about R&D, but how is that going to be allocated between the two segments? The same sort of mix as we saw this year? Or is the Machine Clothing going to come down a little bit with these products?

So J.B., just to remind you, we do have a chart in the earnings release, Table 2 gives you the R&D for the quarter for Machine Clothing and Engineered Composites. Joe talked earlier about the increase in composites next year. Or you can use basically the second half of the year run rate, and maybe it starts incrementally, and increases as we go forward, and add something going forward from there. Then the Machine Clothing, you'll see the number in there on the table, that's probably pretty close to the run rate going forward. Maybe a little heavy for the quarterly run rate next year, but it's pretty close. So that gives you a pretty good breakout, a place to start when you're modelling those numbers forward by segment.

Good. Okay. Thank you very much.

We have a follow-up from Jason Ursaner. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the taking the follow-up.

Sure.

Just in talking about the trajectory in AEC and LEAP, you mentioned the two big assumptions with the production and the shipped set cost, just maybe looking at that second factor, and going back to some commentary you've said previously on operating margin for typical aerospace parts companies. Gross margin for AEC was 13.5%. Getting gross margin and operating margin up over the next couple of years, how much is fixed cost volume leverage versus needing to really get costs down through execution?

Right. Well, it's an interesting question. First of all, it's something we talk about internally a fair amount. The gross margin in AEC can't be compared directly to gross margin in Machine Clothing, because the structures of those businesses are different. SG&A as percent of sales is pretty high in Machine Clothing. It's going to be substantially lower in AEC. So what we've tried to, when we have discussed this question that you're getting at, which is really about the profitability of AEC, we still think the right way to think about this is EBIT margins or EBITDA margins an not get too caught up in the geography between gross and SG&A margins. And you've got to start with the premise that the way we view this as is as a long-term growth business. So a lot of the upfront fixed cost investment is and pretty much has occurred. So if you start from 2014 as a baseline, and start looking at the impact of incremental revenue, most of that incremental revenue as we speak today will be from LEAP. It's reasonable to expect normal aircraft engine EBIT margins for that incremental revenue. Now ordinarily, and that's in the 11% to 18% range, or 10% to 18% range, somewhere in the 14% to 15%.

And that's into ASC, not the overall segments?

That's ASC. And that's where the incremental revenue will be, unless and until we start announcing more contracts. The incremental revenue. Now ordinarily you would expect some fixed cost leverage with that incremental revenue. And if we were just doing LEAP, we would get some fixed cost leverage. You would get an additional point or two of EBIT or EBITDA margin. But we're approaching this, and we will keep managing this as a growth business, so we will keep investing in incremental R&D, and there will be some incremental investments in engineering capability. So we won't get the kind of fixed cost leverages the LEAP takes off that you would from a mature business. So that's why the best guidance that we can give you at this point is, start with that baseline of 2014 actual. The incremental revenue this decade from LEAP should get about, you should get in the normal EBIT margin or EBITDA margin range for an engine manufacture for a Tier 1 engine supplier.

Okay. And longer term, as you're talking about trying to replace incumbents, some of these incremental applications, how much do you see the competitive advantage in the capability and the weight of the woven deposits, versus some of your intellectual property on software and technical know-how for how to do it, not necessarily the technology itself?

Well, they're really tightly tied together. From the customer point of view, all they care about is weight and cost. So we can have all of the unique advantage around, and proprietary advantage around 3D weaving in the world. If it's not translating to a material weight savings at an acceptable cost, it won't translate into incremental sales. Those are really tightly tied. Now we do believe that because of the unique properties of a 3D woven structure, that you do, there is broad potential for weight savings at acceptable cost. And we believe that we have a broad and deep proprietary advantage in our ability to create that benefit. And we haven't yet hit the mega-ramp, which is again something that the Aerospace industry has never seen. So we think we have an advantage today in know-how and capability that will turn into a massive learning curve advantage by 2019. So whether that advantage turns into incremental sales is all about our ability to demonstrate, as I've mentioned before, to OEMs that have a weight problem, that we can solve their weight problem at acceptable cost.

Okay. Appreciate that. Thanks Joe.

And we do have follow-up from John Franzreb. Please go ahead.

Yes, Joe, just you called out new contract negotiations this year. Just checking on that. Is it an unusually high year for large contract negotiations? And what's the timing of those this year?

The timing, it will affect, the negotiations will affect 2016. They won't, they're unlikely to affect 2015. So we'll get the timing out of the way. We have significant contract negotiations every year. But this year they're a little bit heavier than normal, in every region of the world. In North America, in Europe, and in Asia. So what we've always told investors is the risk for price funkiness, the risk for price volatility increases when there are a larger volume of more important contract negotiations. And the reason we call this out in our Q4 call is because towards the end of this year, we'll see a higher than normal volume of those kinds of negotiations.

Now on the one hand we always go into those negotiation with major customers with a bullseye on our back because we have high share. On the other hand we always go into those negotiations with a lot of confidence, in the kind of value we deliver to our customers, both product and service and delivery and customer relations. So we're raising the flag. The window is opening late this year. But on the other hand, if you asked us today what's the number one risk in this business, in our outlook, it continues to be macroeconomic conditions.

Okay. Thank you for the color, Joe.

And with that, we have no further questions in queue.

Thank you everyone for participating on this call. And as always we'll look forward to catching up with you over the next few months out on the road. And have a good few weeks. Thank you.

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