Arbor Realty Trust Inc (ABR) 2012 Q3 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the third-quarter 2012 Arbor Realty Trust earnings conference call. My name is Bree and I will be your operator for today. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes.

  • I would like to now turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Paul Elenio, Chief Financial Officer. Please proceed.

  • Paul Elenio - CFO

  • Thank you, Bree, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the quarterly earnings call for Arbor Realty Trust.

  • This morning, we'll discuss the results for the quarter ended September 30, 2012. With me on the call today is Ivan Kaufman, our President and Chief Executive Officer.

  • Before we begin, I need to inform you that statements made in this earnings call may be deemed forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties, including information about possible or assumed future results of our business, financial condition, liquidity, results of operations, plans, and objectives. These statements are based on our beliefs, assumptions, and expectations of our future performance, taking into account the information currently available to us. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from Arbor's expectations in these forward-looking statements are detailed in our SEC reports.

  • Listeners are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of today. Arbor undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise these forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after today or the occurrences of unanticipated events.

  • I'll now turn the call over to Arbor's President and CEO, Ivan Kaufman.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • Thank you, Paul. Thanks to everyone for joining us on today's call.

  • Before I begin, I want to take a moment to extend our thoughts and prayers to all those affected by Hurricane Sandy. As a New York-based company with a significant footprint in the metropolitan area and across the East Coast, we realize that these are extremely difficult times for many people.

  • We are fortunate to report that all of our employees are safe and our initial assessment has revealed no significant damage to any of the properties supporting our loans in the area affected by the storm. However, we realize others are not as fortunate, and again, our thoughts and prayers are with them.

  • Returning back to the quarter's results, I would like to start off by reflecting on some of our recent accomplishments and talking about our business strategy and outlook for the remainder of 2012 and 2013.

  • We are very pleased with our progress, especially in our ability to access the securitization market in the form of a new nonrecourse collateralized loan obligation vehicle in September, combined with our second follow-on equity raise in four months in early October. These transactions are clearly at the forefront of our recent accomplishments.

  • As we have mentioned on our last several earnings calls, we have been very active in our core lending business, as well as in diversifying our portfolio and revenue sources by investing in residential securities. This has resulted in increased core earnings and the continued growth in our dividend, and we are very pleased with the opportunities we are seeing in the market to invest our capital and continue to grow our earnings base.

  • Our pipeline is strong and continues to grow through our originations network, both in the REIT and through our external manager. So accessing the debt and equity markets through a new CLO vehicle, as well as a raising of approximately $37 million of fresh capital through two equity offerings, were crucial steps in providing us with the capital to continue to grow our platform and position us favorably going forward.

  • We are extremely pleased to be the first commercial mortgage REIT to complete a nonrecourse CLO vehicle since the dislocation occurred, which we believe was due to our strong reputation in the market and our ability to originate high-quality collateral through our deep origination platform. As we mentioned several times, we have effectively managed our three CDO vehicles through the downturn without a shutdown in any of our vehicles, allowing our bond holders and us as equity holders to receive all cash distributions to date. Clearly, this success paved the way for us to access the securitization market once again.

  • The details of the CLO were described in our press release, but I would like to highlight some of the significant components and benefits to Arbor. The vehicle is comprised of approximately $125 million of collateral and approximately $88 million of financing, or roughly 70% leverage, and has a weighted average spread, excluding fees, of 3.39% over LIBOR. It's a nonrecourse vehicle with the ability to substitute collateral for a period of two years to a replenishment feature, allowing us to increase the levered returns on our investments.

  • The closing of the vehicle provided us with approximately $32 million of immediate liquidity from the financing of some of our previously unlevered assets and freed up approximately $42 million of capacity in our short-term warehouse facilities.

  • Additionally, we believe accessing the securitization markets will have several other long-term benefits to Arbor, including greater access to financing lines and equity capital, as well as the ability to pool products in potential future securitizations.

  • The CLO is also a critical component of our business strategy, allowing us to match the terms of our assets and the terms of our liabilities in a nonrecourse vehicle with replenishment rights. Clearly, we feel that the closing of the first CLO in our space since the crisis has significant benefits to us and demonstrates the depth and strength of our franchise, as we believe we now have the necessary tools to take advantage of the market opportunities that exist in order to continue to grow our platform and increase our core earnings and dividends over time, without being subject to event risk if a market credit dislocation should occur.

  • As a result, our cash position as of today is approximately $55 million, not including $42 million of capacity in our short-term credit facilities, for a total of approximately $97 million of cash and liquidity to fund our future investments. This is in addition to $21 million of cash collateral posted against our swaps and around $105 million of net unencumbered assets.

  • Our experienced origination team continues to produce attractive investment opportunities to deploy our capital. This success has increased our core earnings, and as a result we are very pleased to again announce an increase to our dividend to $0.11 per share for the third quarter, a 10% increase from the last quarter and a 47% increase in our dividend since we reinstated it in the first quarter.

  • In a moment, Paul will elaborate further on how our growth has also translated into an increase in our core earnings run rate going forward.

  • Once again, we are extremely pleased with the investment opportunities we are seeing throughout our platform, diversify our revenue sources, and produce significant core earnings and dividend growth going forward.

  • In the third quarter, we originated 12 loans, totaling approximately $86 million with a weighted average unlevered yield of approximately 7.5% and a weighted average leverage yield of approximately 15%. We also continued to grow our residential investment platform, purchasing five residential mortgage securities in the third quarter, totaling $30 million with a weighted average yield of approximately 5% and expected level of returns of nearly 20%. At September 30, 2012, we had $98 million of residential securities outstanding with corresponding leverage of $84 million.

  • These securities generally have an average expected life of 24 to 36 months and are expected to generate levered returns of approximately 20%.

  • In addition, in October we originated three loans totaling $20 million with a weighted average yield of approximately 9% and expected levered return of around 15%, and purchased two residential securities for $12 million with a weighted average yield of 5% and expected levered returns of about 20%.

  • This brings our total 2012 originations to date to $203 million and $130 million in residential security purchases.

  • As I mentioned earlier, our pipeline remains strong and our goal is to continue to deploy our capital into new investment opportunities with a target return of 15% on an unlevered or levered basis. This continued growth and diversification in our investments has increased our core earnings run rate and we believe we will be able to continue to increase our core earnings in the future.

  • In addition to raising capital and closing the CLO vehicle over the last two quarters, we were also able to increase our available liquidity to deploy into new investment opportunities by recycling our capital through a runoff and a monetization of our nonperforming and unencumbered assets, as well as from accessing additional debt facilities. Through the nine months ended September 30, 2012, we generated cash runoff for reinvestment of approximately $83 million.

  • We also obtained approximately $28 million of additional short-term credit facilities this year to finance our loan portfolio, including a previously announced $15 million revolving line of credit which is collateralized by a portion of our CDO bonds, which we purchased at a discount.

  • As we've discussed in the past, we've been very successful in repurchasing our debt at deep discounts, recording significant gains and increasing our equity value. In the third quarter, we repurchased $9 million of our CDO debt for $4.9 million, recording a gain of approximately $4.1 million, and repurchased a total of $66 million of CDO bonds for a gain of $30 million through the first nine months of 2012. As of today, we own approximately $154 million of our original CDO bonds at an $85 million discount to par, which represents significant embedded cash flow that we may realize in future periods.

  • We will continue to evaluate the repurchase of our CDO debt going forward, based on availability, pricing, and liquidity.

  • Now, I would like to update you on the credit status of our portfolio and discuss our views of the commercial real estate market.

  • In the third quarter, we recorded $4.9 million of net loan-loss reserves related to two assets in our portfolio. During the third quarter, we refinanced and modified $118 million of loans and extended $43 million of loans. As of September 30, we had nine nonperforming loans with a UPB of approximately $85 million and a net carrying value of approximately $10 million, which is down from a net carrying value of approximately $15 million at June 30 due to additional reserves in the third quarter.

  • Overall, the commercial real estate market continues to recover as more liquidity is entering this space and asset values are improving slowly. We continue to see signs of increased stabilization and more rapid growth in certain segments, especially in the commercial multifamily lending area. The multifamily asset class is a product that we have a tremendous amount of experience in and continues to be our primary focus, producing significant investment opportunities for us to grow our platform.

  • Additionally, we believe we have done an outstanding job of managing our legacy portfolio, putting substantially all of our legacy issues behind us, while significantly improving the quality of our assets and predictability of our income stream. And although it is possible we could have some additional write-downs in our portfolio on our legacy assets, based on market conditions we remain optimistic that any potential remaining issues will be minimal and that we will have recoveries from our assets and gains from debt repurchase to offset any potential additional losses.

  • However, the timing of any potential losses, recovery, and gains on a quarterly basis is not something we can predict or control.

  • In summary, we are extremely pleased with our accomplishments, especially in our ability to access the capital markets through two equity offerings and a new nonrecourse CLO vehicle. We are also very pleased with the increase in our core earnings run rate and dividends over the last few quarters, and we are excited about the growth in our pipeline and are confident that our originations network will continue to produce attractive investment opportunities.

  • And clearly, we feel that our current stock price is not reflective of our true franchise value, given the depth and strength of our originations and securities platforms, combined with our dividend yield and the fact that our adjusted book value is $11.16 per share. Our primary focus will continue to be increasing the value to our shareholders by growing our platform and increasing our core earnings and dividend over time.

  • I will now turn the call over to Paul to take you through some of the financial results.

  • Paul Elenio - CFO

  • Okay, thank you, Ivan.

  • As noted in the press release, FFO was $3.7 million, or $0.13 per share, for the third quarter and net income was $2.1 million, or $0.07 per share.

  • As Ivan mentioned, we continue to repurchase our debt at deep discounts, recording $4.1 million in gains from the repurchase of some of our CDO debt in the third quarter and $30.5 million in gains from CDO debt buybacks for the nine months ended September 30, 2012. We also recorded $4.9 million in net loan loss reserves related to two assets in our portfolio, and after these reserves and charge-offs of previously recorded reserves, we now have approximately $189 million of loan loss reserves on 19 loans with a UPB of around $267 million as of September 30, 2012.

  • At September 30, our book value per share stands at $7.58 and our adjusted book value per share is $11.16, adding back deferred gains and temporary losses on our swaps.

  • Additionally, as Ivan mentioned, we currently have approximately $55 million in cash on hand and $42 million of capacity in our short-term credit facilities, after our recent equity raise and CLO closing, to fund our future investments. This is in addition to $21 million of cash posted against our swap and approximately $105 million in unlevered assets, net of reserves as of September 30.

  • We also currently have approximately $250 million of equity value in our nonrecourse CDO and CLO vehicles, net of reserves, as of September 30, and approximately $73 million of value in our REO assets. This value, combined with our cash on hand, cash posted against our swaps, and net unlevered assets, totals approximate $505 million in value and approximately $330 million in value after deducting the face amount of our trust preferred securities outstanding. And based on the shares outstanding after our recent capital raise, we now have approximately $10.54 in net asset value per share.

  • Looking at the rest of the results for the quarter, the average balance in core investments was relatively flat at around $1.6 billion for both the second and third quarters. The yield for the third quarter on these core investments was around 5.03%, compared to 4.91% for the second quarter. This increase in yield was primarily due to high yields on our third-quarter originations, in addition to the collection of interest on certain loans and our portfolio not previously accrued, partially offset by lower rates on a portion of our loan modifications and new nonperforming loans during the quarter.

  • Additionally, the weighted average all-in yield on our portfolio decreased slightly to around 4.91% at September 30, compared to around 4.95% at June 30, due to the full effect of our third-quarter nonperforming and modified loans, partially offset by higher yields on our new investments.

  • The average balance on our debt facilities were down slightly to approximately $1.2 billion for the third quarter from approximately $1.3 billion for the second quarter. The average cost of funds in our debt facilities was approximately 3.10% for the third quarter, compared to 3.11% for the second quarter. Excluding the unusual non-cash impact of certain interest rate hedges, which are deemed to be ineffective for accounting purposes, had an interest expense, our average cost of funds was relatively flat at approximately 2.97% for the third quarter, compared to around 3% for the second quarter.

  • Additionally, our estimated all-in debt cost was around 3.15% at September 30, compared to around 3.05% at June 30. This increase is due to higher rates on our new CLO vehicle and revolving line of credit.

  • So overall, normalized net interest spreads in our core assets increased to approximately 2.06% this quarter from approximately 1.91% last quarter. And our net interest spread run rate is now approximately $40 million annually, or 1.76% at September 30, compared to approximately $39 million annually, or 1.9% at June 30.

  • Property operating income and expenses related to our REO assets was relatively flat compared to last quarter, although we are projecting a net loss from our REO asset operations in the fourth quarter, as we've mentioned in the past, which is due to the seasonal nature of income related to a portfolio of hotels that we own.

  • As of September 30, we have two REO assets we are holding for investment, totaling approximately $127 million, subject to approximately $54 million of assumed debt, for a net value of approximately $73 million. As of today, we believe these two assets should produce NOI before depreciation and other non-cash adjustments of approximately $2.5 million for 2012 and approximately $3 million annually going forward.

  • This projected income, combined with our net interest spread run rate at September 30, 2012, of approximate $40 million on our loan and investment portfolio, gives us approximately $43 million of annual estimated core FFO before potential loss reserves and operating expenses looking out 12 months, based on our run rate at September 30, 2012.

  • Clearly, this growth in our core earnings over the last several quarters has contributed greatly to the increase in our dividends, and we are optimistic that we will continue to increase our core earnings and dividends over time.

  • Operating expenses were relatively flat from last quarter, with the exception of a decrease of approximately $500,000 in non-cash expenses related to stock-based compensation issued to our independent directors in the second quarter.

  • Next, our average leverage ratios on our core lending assets decreased compared to last quarter to around 66% and 77% including the trust preferreds as debt, compared to 69% and 80%, respectively.

  • And our overall leverage ratio on our spot basis, including the trust preferreds as equity, was down from 3.1 to 1 at June 30 to 3.0 to 1 at September 30. This was due to a decrease in total CDO debt outstanding from runoff and the repurchase of our CDO debt during the quarter.

  • There were some changes in the balance sheet compared to last quarter that are worth noting. Restricted cash in our CDO vehicles decreased approximately $30 million from last quarter, largely due to second-quarter runoff that was used to pay down CDO debt in the third quarter, partially offset by third-quarter runoff that paid down CDO debt in the fourth quarter.

  • Repurchase agreements and credit facilities decreased by approximately $46 million, due to the transfer of certain assets into our new CLO vehicle, which, combined with previously unlevered assets now financed in the CLO vehicle, accounts for the CLO financing line added during the quarter to the balance sheet. And CDO debt decreased approximately $69 million from last quarter, due to our second-quarter CDO runoff, which was used to pay down CDO debt in the third quarter and from our third-quarter CDO debt repurchases.

  • Lastly, our loan portfolio statistics as of September 30 show that about 67% of the portfolio was variable-rate loans and 33% were fixed. By product type, about 65% were bridged, 19% junior participations, and 16% mezzanine and preferred equity. By asset class, 47% was multifamily, 30% office, 9% hotel, and 10% land.

  • Our loan to value was about 81%. Our weighted average median dollars outstanding was 52%, and geographically, we have around 36% of our portfolio concentrated in the New York City area.

  • That completes our prepared remarks for this morning, and I'll now turn it back to the operator to take any questions you may have at this time. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Steve DeLaney, JMP Securities.

  • Steve DeLaney - Analyst

  • Thank you. Good morning, Ivan and Paul, and congratulations on a very strong quarter. (Multiple speakers). You're making good progress here.

  • I'd like to just talk about the outlook for new loan production. I think you reported 12 new loans, $86 million in the third quarter, 7.5% yield. So could you give us some color about sort of the size -- I know this has to be in rough numbers, of sort of the pipeline of opportunities that you're looking at? Maybe, if you could, give us some indication of what has moved from pipeline to sort of committed or in process, just so we can get a sense of what the flow might look like over the next couple quarters.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • Sure, Steve, and thanks for your comments.

  • First of all, as you are well aware, we have a pretty diverse sales force and a manager and have a very far reach. And in general, a majority of our production is on whole loans for multifamily properties.

  • Due to our capital size and our access to capital and our lines, most of our production was between $5 million and $10 million on our loan size. Over the last quarter or so, we've increased our loan size and we're seeing a broader array of products, now that we have more capital and originating between maybe $5 million and $25 million.

  • We increased our flow once we increased our capital base and access to CLO markets, and now have in discussions with additional lines of credit. So we're going to look to probably double our flow of originations. Although it's extremely competitive out there, we have a long history and deep [bar] relationships, so we can turn it up pretty easily.

  • I'm going to turn it over to Paul now, just to give you an idea of what's in the pipeline and what we anticipate in the next couple of months.

  • Paul Elenio - CFO

  • Yes, Steve, as Ivan said, we've starting to look at some product that's a little bit bigger than we've done in the past, due the amount of capital we have and the lines we have in place and the discussions we're having with future lines.

  • I would say that what's transferred from the pipeline to kind of committed to close is somewhere in the neighborhood of $40 million to $45 million, in addition to what we put out as what we funded in October, which was $20 million already. And we think that we should be able to get to a level that we did in the third quarter, maybe even a little bit better than that, over the next couple of quarters.

  • It's too early to say that we'll be able to deliver those kind of numbers, stronger numbers in the third quarter than the fourth quarter yet. But so far, it's looking good. We have $20 million already closed, $40 million or $45 million ready to close, and then a significant amount in the pipeline behind that.

  • So we are expecting to ramp this up over the next couple of quarters. It's a little hard to give you an exact number, but that's kind of the high points of where we are with the product.

  • Steve DeLaney - Analyst

  • So I mean, a round number like $100 million per quarter doesn't sound like it's -- as sort of a consistent run rate, it doesn't sound like that's out of line or excessive, from what you're saying?

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • No, we're very comfortable with that and we're also very mindful of ramping up our production in line with what we have available on our securities and lines of credit.

  • And as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, what we want to always make sure we have is vehicles available so if there is a credit dislocation and the bank's run into a problem, that we don't get whip-sawed by the banks and impacted on mark-to-market issues and things of that nature, which happened in the last credit crisis.

  • So we'll grow our platform in a very deliberate manner, take into consideration our ability to securitize, and make sure that there is a proper match of assets and liabilities in non-recourse vehicles.

  • Steve DeLaney - Analyst

  • Understood. And Ivan, you mentioned that it's an extremely competitive market. I think that's understandable, given that you're setting a target of a 15% levered return. In this world, I mean, that's an attractive portfolio return before expenses. Do you see that, looking forward, that this 7.5% average coupon, that that might understandably come down a little bit? I mean, what are you seeing when you're making commitments now? How does that compare to what you -- where you were able to price loans in the third quarter?

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • It's definitely gotten a little bit more competitive, but on the offsetting side, I think what you'll see is our debt cost should come down because when we re-access the CLO market, which we feel fairly comfortable in doing, based on the investor appetite and our relationships, the first one was expensive. We had to break the ice, but we're extremely comfortable that there should -- there will be savings on that side.

  • So we think that if there is a little bit more competition on the origination side, it will be offset on the debt side.

  • Steve DeLaney - Analyst

  • Great, thank you for the comments, and I was glad to hear that everyone at Arbor and your properties and all came through the storm in good shape (multiple speakers)

  • Paul Elenio - CFO

  • Thanks, Steve.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • Thank you for everything, Steve.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Lee Cooperman, Omega Advisors.

  • Lee Cooperman - Analyst

  • Thank you, good morning, and I echo Steve's gracious comments a moment ago.

  • I have the same questions I always ask you guys, but give you a chance to update it every quarter. Which book value do you think is most representative of the Company's value? I think Paul mentioned $10.54 NAV effective at its offering.

  • Second, what is a realistic return on equity in your business and the timetable to get there?

  • And third, while I understand the motivation for equity raise-ups, it's been somewhat depressing -- and it's got to be depressing to you, Ivan, owning as much as you own -- that we're selling stock at half of NAV. Where are we in that process? Have we raised enough money now, in between maybe getting access to other sources of capital, that the equity raises are behind us, or what can you say about that? So, really three questions.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • Sure, I'll take the last one first and I'll comment on that, and you're correct. It is painful to raise equity, but as you know, I'm an operator and I understand what it is to build a business, and sometimes there are short-term sacrifices for long-term gains.

  • In raising the equity and being able to access the [stale o] market and build our originations, we freed up a lot of capital and a lot of liquidity (multiple speakers) continue to build our platform.

  • We believe that our core earnings will increase substantially, which will help us achieve a value closer to what our real NAV is. So it's timing and it's patience, and as you can see on a quarter-by-quarter basis, we're growing our core earnings and we believe that that should continue to go.

  • The rest, I'm going to turn over to Paul for his color on it.

  • Paul Elenio - CFO

  • Sure, Lee. Thanks, Ivan.

  • Lee, we've talked about this in the past, and you're right. I put out a number of $10.54 of an NAV today, and that NAV is really, basically, the adjusted book value as of September 30, pro forma to the equity raise we did in early October.

  • We think that's the real number. We think it's the real number because the only adjustments we're making to that -- to our book value number are items that are just a matter of time before they come into equity and to earnings, and they're really -- one of them, as you know, is a monetization of an equity kicker that we've tax deferred that will have no future economic benefit to us, but it will just eventually turn around and come into our book value, so we believe that's real.

  • And the other is the change in the value of our interest rate swaps. With where interest rates have gone, those values have obviously declined and they're starting to improve as they're getting closer to maturity.

  • So in our eyes, that's just a matter of time before those swaps mature and the value creeps back into our balance sheet. So we do look at the $10.54 as a real number.

  • Now having said that, you've asked several times, what's a reasonable return on that NAV that we're posting as the real value? Certainly, we'd like to get the number higher than it is, maybe 10%, which is somewhere around $30 million. Right now, we're at $15 million to $16 million -- $16 million to million in our core earnings, and I think it's important to note that in the last nine months, that number has increased substantially. Back at the year end when we had this discussion on the year-end earnings call --

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • Lee, I believe you asked the same question (multiple speakers)

  • Lee Cooperman - Analyst

  • Like I said, I think -- when I asked the question, I said I've asked this question every quarter.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • Paul's going to give you the progress from what he's stated where we are today, and hopefully we'll have the same progress three quarters from now.

  • Paul Elenio - CFO

  • And I think at year end, we were talking about our core run rate number of $8 million. Now, nine months later, we're talking about a core run rate of $16 million. That's a pretty significant increase, and clearly, that's due to us getting back into the origination business in a very meaningful way.

  • I think the other point is we're hoping -- as far as a timeframe of when we can think we can get to a 10% return, it's hard to peg that, but we are optimistic this is going to continue to grow quickly, especially in light of the ability to access the securitization market, the capital markets already twice, and now be able to get our originations up to a more meaningful number on a quarterly basis. When we do that, combined with lowering our debt costs, as we think we'll have more cheaper financing available to us in the future, we think it'll make a more meaningful impact on the core earnings going forward.

  • So it's hard for us to give you an exact time frame, but the progress has been substantial, and I think we'll continue to hopefully see that progress over time.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • Yes, and part of that, too, is as we take a lot of these unencumbered assets that are either REO or need to be disposed of, we redeploy that capital into interest-bearing assets or the REO which was troubled, those NOIs will improve over time. In addition, we have swaps that are in place that will burn off and will contribute.

  • So we're very deliberate. We've made enormous progress. We will continue to be deliberate and patient, and we will get there. As anxious as you are giving my holdings, and we will weigh very carefully any future equity raises, we have enough powder now to continue to grow our platform and generate enough volume to once again access the debt markets, and we're quite comfortable with our ability to function and operate.

  • Lee Cooperman - Analyst

  • Got you. Well, my goal for you guys will be in 2015 to be earning $1.00 per share. That's 10% on existing book, and the book, of course, will be higher, hopefully, by then.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • I'm pleased that you gave me that much time.

  • Lee Cooperman - Analyst

  • Yes, I'm a patient guy. Congratulations. You guys are moving in the right direction.

  • Paul Elenio - CFO

  • Thank you, Lee.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • Thank you, Lee.

  • Operator

  • I would like to now turn the conference over to Ivan Kaufman for closing remarks.

  • Ivan Kaufman - CEO

  • We appreciate your participation. We know it's been a difficult week for the nation, and that there are many people who are suffering and having difficulties. We extend our feelings and a helping hand to those who we can, and we hope we recover as quickly as possible. Take care.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect and have a great day.