Allied Gold Corp (AAUC) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Thank you all for joining us this morning. Before I turn the call over, I need to advise that certain statements made during this call today may contain forward-looking information, and actual results could differ from the conclusions or projections in that forward-looking information, which include, but not limited to statements with respect to the estimation of mineral reserves and resources. The timing and amounts of estimated future production, cost of production, capital expenditures, future metal prices, and the cost and timing of the development of new projects for a complete discussion of the risks, uncertainties, and factors which may lead to the actual financial results and performance being different from the state estimated contained in the forward-looking statements.

Please refer to Ally Gold's press release issued last night announcing quarter 3, 2025 operating and financial results.

I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded and will be available for replay later on today. Replay information and the presentation slides accompanying this conference call and webcast are available on Allied Gold's website at alliedgold.com.

I will now turn the call over to Peter Maroni, Chairman and CEO.

Operator, thank you very much. And ladies and gentlemen, let me begin this conference call by pointing to the quote at the bottom of the first slide of our presentation, and I would like to repeat that quote.

Let's not react to speculative headlines on geopolitical matters. We continue to operate normally.

We refer to Mali in particular and particularly in light of recent headlines.

Let me begin by talking about the people of the country. They are industrious, entrepreneurial, and overwhelmingly in the country, across the population, there is support for mining.

Similar to many countries, the politics, geopolitical circumstances go on. Mostly they are stable, sometimes changes occur. But business goes on, and this is especially true for mining.

Recent disruptions in fuel supply into the capital of the country affect only the capital, and there are signs of improvement.

Regional governments and internationally support has been offered.

And national efforts to counter the factors that have disrupted the fuel supply have received local, regional, and international endorsement.

Prolonged fuel shortages do risk civil unrest and other challenges.

But so far this has not occurred and fuel supplies have begun to enter the capital.

While there has been unexpected government change in the country before, and this is true for many countries, It has not been the result of external forces, and that seems to be true now as well. And in those times of government change, I remind everyone that mines have continued to operate normally, production and cash flows were generated.

We have no reason to believe that this is not true now, and we attribute that to the industrious and entrepreneurial nature of the people who support business as usual, regardless of political affiliation or affinity, and regardless of localized conflicts.

So with that then, RQ3 was certainly ordinary and normal course.

We had solid production of just over 87,000 ounces, that sets us up for a strong Q4. We had strong cash generation, just under $110 million of adjusted EITA, and our operating cash flow of just under $200 million. We made significant progress on the Saola Phase One expansion and the Kerm development.

Our all the sustaining costs of $2,092 per ounce were down 11% as compared to the second quarter, as we had indicated with the second quarter conference call we would expect, and we expect further reductions in Q4 with higher grades at Saiola, particularly with the phase one expansion completed over the course of the next few weeks into December.

Operations are performing well. We're operating normally at Seriola, and that carries strong momentum into the 4th quarter.

At Agbau production, quarter over quarter from Q2 to Q3 was up 43%. We expect that sustained production to continue into Q4 and into next year. And at Bonnaro, we're on plan.

Grades are where we expect them to be, recoveries and throughput improved, and again, we expect that that will continue into this quarter and the quarters to follow.

We had adjusted EID to conclude with $110 million cash flow of just under $200 million and cash balances at the end of the third quarter of 200 $26 just over $262 million. What to expect then in Q4 and beyond?

Sadiola and Bonnaro will be notably higher.

We indicated up to 40% higher in Q4 over Q3.

We are almost halfway through the quarter and we can see that production ramp up progressing very well. Our Q4 costs are expected to improve.

Momentum from that is expected to continue into the 1st quarter of next year and throughout the year.

And we stand by the guidance of a production level for 2025 that is greater than 375,000 ounces, that sets it sets us up for a consistent 100,000 ounces per quarter at improved costs, leading to improved financial performance, and then kro kicks into production by the middle of the year.

With that, ladies and gentlemen, let me pass the call to Johann, our Chief Operations Officer, to go through our production in more detail.

Good morning, Peter, and good morning everybody.

Thank you very much, Peter, for the headlines. I would like to start off with the on slide 3, the operations, starting off with Cyriola.

The operations were stable and on plan. I was at Cerola last week and operations are running normally. We're not seeing any logistic disruption and consumable inventories, including fuel remains at normal levels. The operation is running normally with noticeable improvements. Production is on track to meet the full year guidance with Q4 expected to be 40% higher than previous quarters.

Phase one expansion remains on schedule for completion in December, enabling us to treat up to 60% fresh ore in the mill feed.

Barney Crowe was on plan with higher grades, better throughput and recoveries.

The stripping and maturity of pushback 5 and pushback 3 will provide us access to higher grades at lower cost in Q4.

Akbal production increased 43% quarter on quarter as Peter also alluded to and driven by higher grades and throughput and operational improvements. Overall operations were on plan positioning us higher production and lower unit cost in Q4.

If we go to the next slide, regarding the Seriola phase one expansion progress, the phase one expansion remains on schedule and continued to advance through Q3 and into Q4. Mechanical installation of the new mill and crushing circuit is complete.

The mobile pedal crusher is on site and ready for the December commencement.

Engineering and pre-leach Stickner is on its way to support higher fresh ore processing with phase one nearing completion. We expect new communition circuit to be ready to receive or late in the 4th quarter.

At that point, Saolo will be able to process up to 60% for fresh ore throughout the through the plant, which will materially lift throughput rates, improve recoveries, and lowering processing costs. This expansion will bring additional flexibility into the operation and pave the way for lower cost and improved predictability.

So, in short, phase one is on plan.

The commissioning begins in December and it will set up structural setup change for Cerola production and cost base.

Moving over then to the GermC progress, GMC.

Continues to advance on schedule. Engineering and the substantial complete, and the site extension is well under way.

The plant construction, including the mechanical erection, concrete works, and the key infrastructure such as water or the water dam, is advancing.

Logistics are active. Long lead equipment is on site. Initial oil supply has been established from both Asashiri and Dish Mountain. The plant capacity has been approved to the 6.4 million tons per year, which enhances the long-term production profile. Looking ahead, priorities. To complete the mechanical and electrical infrastructure works, build this, build up to the three-month high-grade stockpiles, connect the power line and advance the precom to the pre-commissioning. Upcoming priorities include completion, the completion of the construction, build the high-grade stockpiles as alluded earlier, provide the line connection and for and the pre-commissioning. We maintain on track for first gold for by mid 2026, and now, with this, I'd like to pass over to our Chief Exploration Officer, Don Dudek.

Thank you.

Thanks, Johann, and good morning. Hello, everybody.

One thing I want to emphasize for Saola, and it's something we tend to forget because of time, but this deposit has produced over 8 million ounces of gold, and we have 10 million ounces of mineral resources on the books.

Because of the robustness of the system.

We see the potential or we have an exploration goal to add another 3.5 million ounces of resources within the next 5 years, including within that is about a million ounces of oxide inventory and resources.

Our exploration strategy underpins our long-term production profile for this project and supports mineli extension at attractive returns.

The oxide zones are located near infrastructure, and oxide boost boosts flexibility and profitability within our operations.

Our drilling is focused on near mine targets and really we're targeting those zones which have higher than average grades, which again supports the long-term plan.

And they also provide an optionality for production that will again service us over the long-term.

We have 19 years of mineral reserves and we see this increasing over time just again based on the robustness of the system.

When you look at these systems in West Africa, a lot of the large gold zones, they really don't, we haven't found the limits of them, and the limits are more defined by operation cost profile versus running out of mineralization. So that's something very important to keep in mind.

In this last year we've seen significant success at 4 different zones, and again that was touched upon in the exploration news release.

And these discoveries, as noted before, validate the scale and the scope and the potential of this mineralizing system.

Going forward, drilling will remain active into year end.

And continue through 2026 and beyond.

We are prioritizing the targets with the highest potential.

And again with the focus on oxides.

We're initiating new geophysical surveys over a 2.5 kilometer stretch of productive stratigraphy that already has produced a couple of recent near-term gold deposits.

This area has never been systematically tested, and as we march ahead with the drill, we keep on finding more mineralization.

Our results from this work will be summarized in an updated mineral resource estimate in Q1 2026, and this update will capture new discoveries, oxide additions, and extensions.

Furthermore, we plan exploration updates for Kermuk in Ethiopia late this month.

And for our project group in Cote d'Ivoire in early 206.

With that, I'll pass things off to Jason to discuss the Q3 financial performance.

Great, thanks, Don. Good morning, everyone.

In Q3, the business delivered another solid quarter of financial results. Adjusted net earnings were $0.29 per share, and adjusted EBITDA came in at almost $110 million reflecting strong operating performance and improving costs across the portfolio. We generated $182 million in net operating cash flow during the quarter and and ended with a cash balance of $262 million.

Giving a strong liquidity into the Q4 and as we finish up the construction of phase one at Sadiola and at Kermu in Q2 next year.

All the sustaining costs were $2,092 per ounce, an improvement of 11% quarter over quarter, despite higher royalties from gold price.

So overall, Q3 delivered strong cash flow generation, improving costs and higher margins. More importantly, we're positioned for a stronger Q4 with a combination of increased production, lower unit costs, and higher gold prices that will result in a step change in cash flow generation to end the year.

I just mentioned, most eminently in Q4, we have our best production quarter of the year, driven by production increases at Sadiola and Bonnerro in the range of up to 40% over Q3.

At Vola, we wrap up the phase one expansion and have the benefit of new oxide zones to complement higher grade fresh ore that can now be processed through the new mill at a higher throughput rate than before.

At Bonnaro, our intensive stripping campaign over the last year is finishing up and the mine starts a higher grade mining sequence with modest waste removal in Q4.

But our improving performance doesn't end there. As we look to 2026, the operating and financial performance will transition to a higher sustainable platform with the completion of our development projects.

Importantly, the predictability and operational flexibility of Saola and kotobar complex improves prospectively.

In Cote d'Ivoire, we move to more direct ore extraction at higher grades with less waste movement.

Atadola, we're able to primarily rely on the abundant higher grade fresh oil reserves as primary plant feed for up to 60% of throughput.

Oxides show the balance of the mill compared with being the primary feed source in this and recent years.

Furthermore, new oxide discoveries represent optionality to potentially increase production levels at Saola up to 230 ounces per year in the medium term.

And finally, at Kermu, first goal is fast approaching.

This will be a step change for Allied, adding a new long-life, low costs asset that significantly increases group production and cash flow.

Kermok is expected to be transformational to our portfolio and financial profile.

On the chart here, you can see the production growth we're expecting in coming years. This will correspond to impressive top-line growth in today's gold environment, but more impressive will be the leverage effect we see in EBITDA and cash flow generation because of our fixed overhead and decreasing unit operating costs, or ASIC.

With that, I'll hand things back to Peter for his wrap up.

So thank you very much, Jason. So, in terms of, just to conclude the presentation, upcoming milestones with our Saiola exploration update, as Don mentioned, we've demonstrated value creation, short-term and long-term, finding more oxides and expanding the already robust inventory of fresh ore. We have updates coming for our other mines. That includes an exploration update for Cromo in November and for Cote d'Ivoire complex in January.

Expect that we will have completed the Saola phase 1 expansion late this year, literally over the course of a few weeks now. That has huge impact on operational flexibility because of that abundance of fresh ore.

We have an analyst and investor site visit of Kromk which is expected early in Q1.

We have the Saola phase 2 expansion update how we intend to progress to get to that 35,000 to 400,000 ounces per year, which we plan to deliver in January of next year.

We have had a team in Mali and Cote d'Ivoire last week on our reserves and resources to complete their work so that we can provide an end of year reserve and resource update, including the impact of Ume on the Cote d'Ivoire complex and of course including in that is Krom, which we expect in February. Our Q4 results, of course, are expected soon after the completion of the quarter in late January or early February.

We will provide an update on AGBO and its reserves and resources, which we expect in the second quarter.

We starter operations in the middle of the year. I should say with respect to AgBO that of course the objective there is an extension of mine life.

Ladies and gentlemen, we've committed to improving.

Improvements in block models and mine plans, our mining efforts, our processing, creating organizational effectiveness that begins with hiring senior local persons to manage our operations, all of that is now in place.

We do not identify, here the results of that, but those results include improving production and costs this quarter, the quarter that we are now in, and into next year, new equipment, better utilization, better mine plans, competent operators, access to higher grade ore, enhanced mining access, and flexibility, and that positions us.

For a strong 4th quarter and an even stronger 2026 across, all measures including production costs, and cash flow. Operator, perhaps at this point we can open the call to questions.

Thank you, and we will now begin the question-and-answer session.

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Thank you. And your first question comes from Kerrie McCrory from Kakur Genuity. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, Peter, and team, and congrats on the good quarter. I guess my first question is just on Saola phase 2, or sorry, phase 1 is almost complete. Sounds like you're adding more oxide. When realistically, like, how should we think about the timing of when you'd actually, commit to phase 2 in terms of, putting a shovel on the ground?

Yeah, so let's begin with first principles, Carrie. As I said a few moments ago, in Either with our year-end results or in advance of that, so that would mean in January, we will provide an update on what we intend to do with phase two. We have a feasibility study for a new plant up to 10 million tons per year, and that gets us that production platform of 350,000 to 400,000 ounces. That would idle the existing plant. We would commit to expenditure by the end of 2026, and we would be in production by late 208, early 2029.

As I mentioned, that would also mean that we will have decommissioned the existing plant. But over the course of the last 15 months to 18 months, we've been looking at an alternative. It's something that we were very familiar with as a management in Yama.

We're looking at how can we take the existing plant, further modify it to increase its throughput.

Not to 10 million tons per year, but something in between the current level to 10. How do we improve recoveries so that we get to a similar production level in the range of 350,000 ounces per year, but with two improvements.

The first is potentially less capital, and the second is better capital efficiency. In other words, we're not committing to that capital completely upfront. We're just about complete on that technical work.

And with the completion of that technical work, we have board meetings in December, and we expect then that that in January at the latest with our 4th quarter results, we will provide you with our take on what is the best course for us taking all factors into account, what is the best capital efficiency, delivers the best results, and the greatest certainty.

Okay, great. And then maybe just, reserves and resource price and it's pretty low compared to, we're sitting at $4000 an ounce. I guess within your portfolio, are there any specific assets that really have better optionality at, maybe not $4000 but the higher prices than reserves and resources?

Yeah, really good question. And that one really applies to AGBB. So part of the effort on AgBO is a three-part program that we've undertaken to improve mine life. One of the first part of that is, can we look at the pit design at higher gold price, and we're looking at a $2000 pit design. What does that do in terms, and of course the infill that follows from that, and what does that do in terms of extending my life. The other two components, of course, is a possible underground and regional exploration opportunity. We'll have more to say on that, into next year, as I mentioned, but you should expect that for that asset, we will be using a $2000 gold price for reserve estimation. We're reviewing what our peers are doing more generally to see what they have already done or what they're planning to do. So we're evaluating at this point where I'm personally leaning, but we have to have lots of discussions with management. Is a $2000 gold price for reserves across the board to complement what we're already doing at ACB and $2300 for reserve for resources.

Great. That's it for me. Thanks, Peter.

And your next question comes from Justin Chen from FCP Resource Finance. Please go ahead.

Hi guys. Thanks and congrats on the quarter. I'll consolidate. I have two, instead of one question to follow-up, I'll just, if you wouldn't mind, I'll ask two separate questions. Just one's on, just on the accounting. Is the two prepays that were mentioned at the end of September in the documentation, were those included in cash flow from opops just to make sure my model's, accounting for everything correctly. That's my first one.

Yeah, that's right.

Justin. Okay, thanks very much.

Okay, thanks, I appreciate it, look at, look at.

You. They're not there though.

Okay, got you. Okay, thanks, that's very helpful, and then the second one is.

I mean, there, there's a lot of headlines over the weekend, especially just on supply chains and fuel availability in Mali. I was just curious if you guys could give some color on maybe what you're seeing on the ground. Sometimes there's obviously a difference between what media says and, what the actual operators are seeing. So, yeah, could you give us your perspective on the current operating situation?

Yeah, I tried to address that at the beginning, Justin. I think it would be wrong for us to talk about what is the geopolitics of one thing or another, other than to say that, look, it's business as usual.

There is a fuel disruption.

There are many reasons for that fuel disruption in the, that it has affected the capital.

Interestingly, as that art, the first of these articles was published. On Friday of last week, we understand that roughly 200, 250 Trucks filled with fuel came into the capital, and that's about a week's supply, and that's typically the way that the that the cap runs. So the best that we can say at this point is that there is no disruption to fuel supply lines or other supply lines relating to the mines.

There has been some disruption as a result of some insurgency activity in and around the capital. It does appear to us as if there is some alleviation of that, and I repeat what I said before. This is a a business as usual situation. We in the country, those who are familiar with the country, those who are familiar with countries such as this, have seen this sort of thing before, but at the end of the day, the best way that I can describe it is regardless of disruptions, business must go on and does go on, and that's what we expect here.

Gotcha. Thanks. No, very clear and, yeah, I appreciate the reiteration.

And your next question comes from Mohammed Sidibe from National Bank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hi, Peter and Tim. Thanks for taking my questions. Just maybe to start with the Q4, guide that you gave with Saulla and Boniro being potentially up to 40% higher. What would it take, to see, I guess, both operations, be closer to that 40% mark? What are the key drivers that we should look for at Saulla and Boniro?

I'll turn to Yohan in a moment, but bear with us, Mohammed.

We are ahead of our expectations for the quarter so far.

In the case of the Cote d'Ivoire, we're more than 5% ahead. In the case of Seriola, just a few percentages ahead. But again, on a production platform, we expect to be greater than than Q3.

So I think you should expect that we will be able to meet the expectations of getting close to or at that 40%.

Johann, I will summarize by saying that in the case of Saola, it is these oxide discoveries.

That were made earlier this year that you're bringing into production, going through the development process and bringing into production, but of course by the end of the year it's the phase one expansion that completes and being able to process some of a greater percentage of of of fresh ore. And in the case of Cote d'Ivoire, all that effort that's been undertaken to date, including for example at Agbao. Where we had, waste removal that was very significant in the second quarter that increases production. We're going to higher grades at Bonacro as a result of that waste removal, and that's what accounts for that higher level of production. Johann, did you want to supplement that with anything more specific?

Peter, you've summarized most of it. I want to say that the hard work from the team started in January up to now created flexibility within Saola. You've alluded to the auxide deposits, and also the mill startup that will enhance the throughput in in Seriola with higher recoveries, so, More predictable, more flexibility was given into the Seriola as well as into the CDI complex.

That enable us to move or to and from between the various plants that set ourselves up to where we are currently. We're ahead of the Q4 numbers as you did it, we're halfway through the quarter already.

And the positive trend, the teams are doing well, the plans are coming together nicely, looking forward to the end result, definitely very close to the 40% mark, if not slightly higher Peter.

Great, thanks a lot for that answer. And then just, if I could move on maybe, on exploration, I think you provided a pretty good update. I said Jola with, a lot of oxide potential on your exploration target there. But I wanted to maybe shift to Cote d'Ivoire and, the visibility at AB and Bonnico. I know there's an update that is coming, but how do you currently look at those two assets in terms of mine lives remaining and what do you envision them to ultimately be, as a potential source of production for you guys?

Thank you.

Again, at this point, we have not completed the work, but Ume contributes comfortably to Bonnaro's increase in mine life. We publicly have said we want to get to at least 180,000 ounces per year from the complex, so roughly 50% from Bonnaro and 50% coming from Agboo.

Ume contributes very meaningfully to that mine life extension.

It looks as if we'll be above the 10 years for Bonnaro. Agba is a bit more complex because it's further behind in terms of the exploration effort, but with what we're doing, looking at and doing drilling into reachable through at it reachable underground, what we're doing with the pit shell with a $2000 gold assumption. And what we're doing with the broader outside of the compensated area exploration effort, we'll begin to demonstrate, we won't get with that update next year. I don't believe that we'll get to 10 years of my life dragba. We'll begin, but we'll begin to demonstrate that it's more than the roughly 2 years of my life that we currently carry, and we think significantly in excess of that. I believe in our MD&A with our second quarter, we indicated that we were looking at 4 to 5 years of extension. That was our objective. We expect that the exploration results and the other efforts we're undertaking with technical services will demonstrate at least that.

Finally then, what's our objective? Our objective is at least 10 years of my life at 180,000 ounces per year.

But we're finding that objective. We're trying to get to 200,000 ounces per year at at least that 10 years of my life.

With that, this becomes a meaningful asset, a very meaningful asset. It will not have the prominence. It does not have the tier one status of Krovok and Seriola, but it does, it is meaningful. It does contribute to the share price. By my estimation, taking the existing mine life as we show it based on reserves and resources. And getting to 10 years of my life at 200,000 ounces per year, by my estimation, it adds somewhere between 8 and $10 per share. I think that's pretty significant.

Thanks a lot for that, Peter. That's very helpful. And then I guess finally with, you strengthen your balance sheet with the forward sales, agreement, the race post quarter as well as, the good, cash flow com corporations there. As you're heading into, the completion of Kermo, better 2026 and free cash flow, the sector is getting, I guess, a little bit harder in terms of M&A. Could you maybe share your thoughts on, further consolidation, down in West Africa or M&A opportunities that you may be looking at, from the acquisition side, or is that more of a 2027 event and Kerm remains the main priority alongside Sadiola?

What a question. So, if we'd gone back a year ago, Mohammed, I would have said, of course, we should be looking at acquisitions. What are the opportunities in Africa, in other developing parts of the world. That's where we still think there's the best juice, where we think the best value.

But frankly, over the course of the last several quarters, we've had a bit of an epiphany. When we look at Kermo, that's a real prize. It's a tier one asset. I repeat what I said before, it's a tier one asset. And we're now looking at how we expand its throughput to match the size that we already carry for the sag mill to that 6.4 million tons per year from the 6 million tons per year. That gets the production platform to over 300,000 ounces per year.

And with all the sustaining costs as we've described them. That means that we're we're generating some impressively robust cash flows from a production point of view, mine life point of view, and from a cash flow point of view, it is a tier one asset. And the same would be true for Saola.

I can't think of very many mid-tier companies that are underpinned by two tier one assets. And so that epiphany to which I referred is that we're going to keep our eyes on the prizes here. Keep your eyes on the prize. We don't think that there is anything that is as compelling as engaging in the completion of these efforts that we have inside the company to get us to that roughly 800,000 ounces of production beginning next year to 600,000 ounces and then a few years after that to that 800,000 ounces. We think that that is what delivers the best value.

Value for shareholders, we've become a real catch at that point as well, and that has not escaped us.

Thanks a lot for that, Peter, for the question there.

And your next question comes from Ingrid Rickel from Stiefel. Please go ahead.

Yeah, good morning, Peter and, i team. I have, I guess, two follow-ups, on Saola, and I appreciate the comments, Peter, on the, progressive expansion options and how you guys are evaluating that. But I noticed in the press release, I think it was, that you will proceeding with a pre-leach thickener and you're going to be adding that in 2026. So I guess my question would be one, on what sort of, cost budget do you have for that, and two, what would it do with the recoveries or the improvement on the circuit by adding that thickener.

Yeah, hi, Gerardo.

Yeah, it's a, it's a small CapEx ticket is about 7 million to 8 million. What it does is allow us to manage the density better so we can increase the proportion of fresh rock up to 90%.

And depending on the flexibility from oxides also can lead to increased throughput. So the beauty of it is it works, it's necessary for both scenarios, the full expansion or the progressive expansion. So we decided to go ahead and start engineering and start the construction in the next year so we can see the benefits as soon as possible.

Okay, excellent. And then just, I guess more near term, and sort of the grade, expectation that we could start to see as the phase one expansion is completed and you're able to put more of the fresh or in. Should we think of grade, picking up, Q4 and then 2026, and what sort of grades should we be looking for, with that phase one completed?

Yes, we should, you should expect to see the grade improves.

Gerardo or Johan, do you want to address where we expect the grade to be?

Maybe I can com long-term, Ingrid. If you look at the inventory of fresh rock in Saviola, that is in the range of 1.8 g per ton. Some areas are higher than that, some areas are lower, but that's the bulk of the, or that's the average of the bulk of the reserves, which is the fresh rock.

So long-term, that's what we should be tracking towards and and in terms of upside ide, there is an upside to connect with what Tom was describing with the new opportunities to add.

A moderate grade or high grade oxides which allowed the plant to increase capacity and recovery.

I would maybe Johan can comment on the shorter term.

Great question, Gerardo, I think your numbers are spot on, around the 1.7 to 1.8 g a ton. We do find these H1y pots, around the Saola property with higher oxide grades, but if we look at the average over the life of mine, it sits around there.

Okay, perfect.

And, we're not complete, we're not complete the quarter yet, but if we go over the course of the last couple of weeks, so it's a meaningful part of the short-term of the quarter, we are experiencing because of some of those H1y pots as.

Johann described it, we are experiencing grades that are better than what we had in planned.

Okay, that's excellent. And if I can squeeze just one last question, on rom, and I appreciate that we're going to get that update on the exploration, very soon. But just how should we think and maybe just some comments if you can on the info, drilling and how that's shaping up for, grade reconciliation and, looking into the grades as you start sort of commissioning and ramping up next year.

Don's on the, did you want, Don's remote, so, if you're available, Don, did you want, can you answer that?

Yes, so we're not doing a lot of infill drilling.

We're mostly focusing on extending the resources down dip, down plunge, along strike, and so really trying to bulk out the the reserve pits as we see them today.

We are seeing continuations of the mineralized zones and yet have not found the limits of the system. And they're also looking for other optionality things. We've talked about Sangay before, which is a 7 kilometer long golden soil trend. We've been drilling at the south end of that for a good part of the year, and we have a few other targets that we're moving up the list.

We've talked about this for Saola in terms of optionality, and again, newer close to surface discoveries will provide more optionality for Kermu going forward. So the update near the end of this month, we, we'll present all of that.

Maybe to compliment.

You get to compliment on, comments and addressing your question.

Don was referring to what we're doing now, looking into the future, but we, what was done in the past in 2024 and into the beginning of 2025 was to do confirmation reading, especially around this, not much in the thi, but heavily in dish and that information has been Model, we have or exposure now with the mining at both deposits, and we're confirming the interpretation of the geology, and the drilling is also confirming, the grades and the mineralization as we had it in the glen. So it's very positive from that perspective of risk management and so is in a good position to restart our operations next year.

Great.

Thank you.

So looking forward to that, kora update, later this month. Thanks.

And before we proceed again, if you want to join the queue, simply press 1, and your next question comes from Luke Bertozzi from CIBC. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning Peter and the team. Just follow-up, follow-up on Ingrid's question on the pre-leach thickener at Satiola. Can you give us any indication of when that pre-leach thickener could come online? Should we be expecting that to impact 2026 production? Thanks.

Yeah, look, towards the end of 2026, yeah, we haven't, issued guidance, so we cannot quantify how much the impact would be, or disclose it. We have an idea, but bear with us when we issue guidance, we'll reflect it there.

Luke, we've indicated that we see Saola in its current form before the second phase, partial or whole expansion, being in a range of 2,000,000 to 230,000 ounces per year. This is part of the plan to get to a higher level of production.

We'll have more to say on it as we complete some of the work to the end of this year when we give our guidance early next year.

Yeah, okay, thanks. The rest of my questions have been answered, so I'll leave it there. Thanks again.

There are no further questions.

No, there are no further questions at this time. So I would now like to turn the call back over to Peter Maroni for the closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for your participation on this call. We look forward to several of the milestones that we mentioned being provided. Any questions or comments, please do reach out to any of us, and we look forward to seeing many of you on, in person at our site visit Aromo in January.

Thank you very much.