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  • Operator

  • Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Agilent Technologies second-quarter 2015 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Alicia Rodriguez, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please begin.

  • Alicia Rodriguez - VP of IR

  • Thank you, Latoya, and welcome, everyone, to Agilent's second-quarter conference call for FY15. With me are Mike McMullen, Agilent's President and CEO; and Didier Hirsch, Agilent's Senior Vice President and CFO. Joining in the Q&A after Didier's comments will be Patrick Kaltenbach, President of Agilent's Life Sciences and Applied Markets Group; Jacob Thaysen, President of Agilent's Diagnostics and Genomics Group; and Mark Doak, President of the Agilent CrossLab Group.

  • You can find the press release and information to supplement today's discussion on our website at www.investor. Agilent.com. While there, please click on the link for financial results under the financial information tab.

  • You will find an investor presentation, along with revenue break outs and currency impacts, business segment results, and historical financials for Agilent's operations. We will also post a copy of the prepared remarks following this call.

  • Today's comments by Mike and Didier, will refer to non-GAAP financial measures. You will find the most directly comparable GAAP financial metrics and reconciliations on our website. Unless otherwise noted, all references to increases or decreases in financial metrics are year over year.

  • As a reminder, we will talk about core growth, which reflects growth adjusted for currency and for M&A within the past 12 months. We will also make forward-looking statements about the financial performance of the Company. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and are only valid as of today. The Company assumes no obligation to update them. Please look at the Company's recent is SEC filings for a more complete picture of our risks and other factors.

  • Before turning the call over to Mike, I would like to remind you that Agilent will host its annual analyst and investor meeting in New York City on May 28th. Details about the meeting and webcast are available on the Agilent investor website. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Mike.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Alicia. Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our Q2 call, my first as CEO of the new Agilent. I will start with a summary of our Q2 operating financial performance. Next, I will cover our progress on operating margin expansion and stock repurchases. Finally, I will close with an update on our current guidance.

  • I'm pleased to report that Agilent delivered solid earnings within guidance. I'm even more pleased to share the story of our top-line order growth. This growth is being driven by continued strong market acceptance of our new offerings and the effectiveness of our new sales structure.

  • Let me start with four major operational highlights. First, our Agile Agilent program launched last quarter. This program is successfully removing costs from the business and allowing us to aggressively build a more nimble and streamlined Company.

  • Second, we addressed manufacture-driven backlog issues in our nucleic acid businesses. As a result, we have returned DGG to double-digit profitability.

  • A third operational highlight is some very good news. After a lot of hard work and significant investment, our FDA warning letter was lifted six months earlier than expected. Finally, we strengthened Agilent's portfolio by divesting our XRD business.

  • Now, let me review Agilent's financials for the second fiscal quarter. Our Q2 revenue was down 3% and grew 4% on a core, or currency-adjusted basis to $963 million.

  • Reported orders grew 1% and were up 8% on a core basis to $1.04 billion. Excluding the divested businesses of NMR and XRD, core revenue growth was 5% and core order growth was 10%.

  • Book-to-bill increased 1.08, as we are unable to convert all this order strength into revenue within the quarter. Let me provide some additional detail. First, we had a lot of orders come in later in the quarter.

  • Second, shipping challenges at our new Americas logistics center delayed some customer shipments until Q3. The shipment issue was a start-up issue and is being addressed; however, the order timing and shipping challenges accounted for approximately $30 million of revenue that was pushed from Q2 to Q3. The strengthening dollar also had an impact reducing reported revenue by $6 million versus our guidance.

  • Despite the revenue recognition delay, we are quite pleased with our bottom-line performance. Operating margin, adjusted for Keysight billings, was 18.3%, up 140 basis points over a year ago. Earnings per share were $0.38, with both the operating margin and EPS results matching guidance.

  • Moving on to the results by business group. The life sciences applied markets group, or LSAG, as a reminder brings together Agilent's analytical laboratory instruments and informatics. Core revenue growth was 1%, or 2% excluding NMR.

  • Growth was lead by LC, microfluidics, mass spec, ICP OES, and software. Orders were strong across the group, up 6% on a core basis and up 10% excluding NMR.

  • As an aside, the previously communicated exit of the NMR hardware business continues to proceed as planned. Operating margin for the quarter was 15.8%.

  • We saw excellent growth in LC systems in the second quarter. The new 1290 Infinity II system, which we launched in Q4, continues to be well received by the market. This system sets new benchmarks in analytical efficiency, quality, ease of use, and integration. We expect the 1290 Infinity II product portfolio to deliver double-digit growth through FY15.

  • We shipped the new 6545 LCMS Q-TOF with the former launch scheduled for the ASMS Conference at the beginning of June. The 6545 addresses a core Q-TOF market with better performance, increased uptime and robustness, and improved ease-of-use for small molecule applications.

  • We released OpenLAB ELN 5.0. The new electronic lab notebook had several core feature enhancements, including an iPad mobile client. Next, the Agilent CrossLab Group, or ACG, combines our analytical laboratory services and consumables business under a new Agilent brand. ACG delivered outstanding results. Core revenues rose 7%, while core orders grew 12% in the quarter. Operating margin was 21.5%.

  • In consumables, we expanded the Poroshell 120 family to include a new 4 micron particle size. Sales of this family have exceeded expectations and are contributing to continued growth in the Poroshell all family.

  • We released the advanced biosample prep kit, which adds to our separation and manual sample prep technologies. Our recently introduced A-Line supply portfolio is ramping well above expectations. Customers have responded very favorably to our new FRID inventory management service solution.

  • Finally, the diagnostics and genomics group, or DGG, is comprised of three divisions: the former Dako business, genomics, and nucleic acid solutions. DGG recovered nicely in Q2, as previously guided, delivering strong core revenue growth of 10% versus a year ago.

  • Dako and the nucleic acid businesses lead DGG's results. Orders grew 5% on a core basis. DGG returned to double-digit operating margins, delivering 15% in Q2.

  • In April, we announced that the US FDA lifted its warning letter on Agilent's Dako Denmark subsidiary earlier than expected. We are on track for the remaining remediation effort to be completed by Q3. And our companion diagnostics engagement, Merck, continues to make progress. In April, Merck submitted a biologics license application to the FDA for the treatment of lung cancer.

  • Omnis Instruments continued to gain customer traction, setting a new quarterly record for instrument placements, and SureFISH again saw strong growth, driven by sales through the pathology channel.

  • This is just one example of the synergy that we were able to leverage across the new Agilent. Our expertise and experience in analytical labs continues to drive further penetration into adjacent clinical and diagnostics laboratories. We expect these types of synergies to be characteristic of the new Agilent.

  • In keeping with our strategy of executing bolt-on acquisitions of complementary growth businesses, earlier this month, we announced our acquisition of Cartagenia for EUR60 million. Cartagenia is a leading provider of software and services for clinical genetics and molecular pathology labs.

  • Now let's take a brief look at Agilent's end-market performance on a core basis. Pharmaceutical revenue grew strongly, with broad-based results across customers and products. We also saw excellent demand in clinical and diagnostics, with revenue growing solidly during the quarter.

  • Growth in food and environmental revenue was more modest, led by demand from China. Academia and government revenue decreased slightly, due to some delayed budgets and order backlog build.

  • Chemical energy saw a similar decrease from lower oil prices, as expected. The decline in oil production and exploration was partially offset by refining and chemical demand.

  • Geographically, we saw excellent core revenue growth in the Americas, with moderate growth in Europe and Asia, excluding China and Japan. Greater China orders was strong, though not yet reflected in revenue. Similarly, Japan core revenue declined but saw a single-digit core growth in orders.

  • As we completed the CEO transition at the March 18th shareholder meeting, and our new leadership team is fully in place. During our Q1 call, I highlighted three focus areas where we are working as a team to drive shareholder value. As a reminder they are: accelerate organic growth, expand operating margin, deploy capital for long-term shareholder value.

  • Turning from the report out of the momentum in our core growth, let me update you on our operating margin improvement initiatives and Q2 capital deployment actions. We are executing our multi-year Agile Agilent program, reengineering the Company to be more efficient, nimble, and externally focused.

  • Our previously announced restructuring is underway. The new sales channel and divisional structure are fully implemented. We continue to look for opportunities to streamline and rethink our legacy business models. The recent (inaudible) US Government Affairs office is just one example.

  • We have already delivered $24 million of the expected gross savings of $50 million in 2015 from our combined actions. We remain committed to achieving a 22% operating margin by FY17.

  • As previously guided, this year we are on track to return $500 million to shareholders in the form of dividends and buybacks. In Q2, we repurchased $162 million of stock, bringing our year-to-date repurchases to $168 million.

  • In our Q1 call, we raised our core growth guidance and committed to offset $0.05 of negative FX impact through cost controls and other actions. We are confirming this full year EPS guidance. Didier will provide further details in his remarks.

  • As the new CEO, it gives me great pleasure to announce that Forbes has identified Agilent as one of America's best employers in its first-ever ranking. We were rated as a top employer in the healthcare equipment services industry category. Part of my mission would make us even better.

  • We look forward to seeing you at our May 28 analyst meeting in New York. We'll take that opportunity to discuss Agilent's businesses in more detail. I look forward to sharing more about the steps we are taking to reach the goals we have set to drive long-term shareholder value through accelerated growth, operating margin expansion, and optimal capital allocation.

  • Thank you for joining our call today, and I'll now turn it over to Didier who will provide a more detailed discussion of Agilent's financial results and guidance. Didier?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Thank you, Mike and hello, everyone. To recap the quarter, our core order and revenue growth, excluding the impact of closed and divested businesses, were respectively 10% and 5%. As Mike stated, about $30 million of revenues was carried over into Q3 due to late incoming orders and some start-up issues with the transfer of our US distribution center. Those issues have now been stabilized, and they will be fixed this quarter.

  • Although revenues ended up $32 million under the midpoint of our guidance, adjusted operating margin was 18.3%, 10 basis points higher than guidance, and 140 basis points higher than last year on 2.5% lower nominal revenues. This quarter, currency subtracted about 6.8 percentage points from our year-over-year revenue growth. Finally, we bought back $162 million of stock in Q2 and generated $183 million in operating cash flow.

  • I'll now turn to the guidance for our third quarter. We expect Q3 revenues of $995 million to $1.015 billion and EPS of $0.38 to $0.42. At midpoint, revenue will grow 7% on a core basis. Our 18.3% adjusted operating margin at midpoint will be equal to this quarter's operating margin. We expect to continue our disciplined buyback program and reach the planned $365 million of repurchases by year end.

  • Now to the guidance for the fiscal year. Versus our previous guidance, currency is forecasted to have a $10 million negative impact on revenue. We are adjusting our revenue guidance for that impact, but we are not modifying our EPS guidance. We expect FY15 revenues to range from $4.05 billion to $4.11 billion and FY15 EPS to range from $1.67 to $1.73.

  • With that, I'll turn it over to Alicia for the Q&A.

  • Alicia Rodriguez - VP of IR

  • Thank you, Didier. Latoya, will you please give the instructions for the Q&A?

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • The first question is from Doug Schenkel of Cowen and Company. Your line is open.

  • Doug Schenkel - Analyst

  • Good afternoon, and thank you for taking the questions. My first question is really on the guidance. So you slightly reduced full-year revenue growth expectations, but not by much. I believe your second-half core growth would have to exceed about 7% to get to your full-year guidance.

  • When you combine these observations with the observation that you talked about strong backlog heading into the third quarter, but then you guided revenue expectations a bit below where consensus stood, it does seem like second half growth is not only expected to accelerate, but also to be a bit more back-end loaded than most of us were expecting. Could you just talk about what gives you confidence of the implied Q4 growth acceleration expectations that you seemingly built into guidance?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Yes, Doug. This is Mike. Thank you for the great question and let me offer some additional commentary on our thinking about the confidence we have in the top-line momentum and also our thinking about how we guided for the second half. When we look -- obviously, very pleased with the top-line momentum that I mentioned in my prepared remarks.

  • And if you look at them, we've had two strong top-line order quarters for the Company, and what we're seeing is strong end-market strength in pharma, clinical, and diagnostics; a strong US and recovering China market. And we believe we're very well positioned, which is reflected in the order numbers to capture this growth with the strength of not only our portfolio, but also our new sales structure.

  • As I did mention in my remarks though, we did have some start-up issues with the logistics center and also we saw late time in orders coming in the quarter. So we're becoming increasingly mindful of what seemed to be a change of customer buying behavior as we looked at our revenue projections for the third quarter. But with the backlog, the ongoing strength of the top line, we remain quite confident in our ability to deliver on the top-line growth forecast.

  • Didier, anything else that you would add?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • No, just to quantify, the $30 million that moved into Q3 is equivalent to 3 percentage points of revenue. If you would adjust the first half of that 3 percentage points, that really moved into the second half. Then the growth between the first half to the second half is a lot more reasonable.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • And Doug, it may also help you to hear directly from each of the group presidents how to look at the respective business, just to give you a better feel for how we're thinking about the business in the second half. And Mark, perhaps I can start with you?

  • Mark Doak - President, Agilent CrossLab Group

  • Thank you, Mike. And obviously, this is another quarter where we've produced double-digit core order growth, so from the standpoint of the response we've got in the marketplace around our innovative products and service has been quite good. And I think it's a validation of our CrossLab strategy and the value we have for the customers.

  • And looking forward, the fundamentals, as you suggest, really don't change much as we suggest as we look at the end-market strength in Americas and in China and some other places around the globe. We continue to have strong demand from Europe. So long story short, it's a continuation we see of the strong fundamentals we have right now.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Patrick, how about the LSAG?

  • Patrick Kaltenbach - President, Life Sciences and Applied Markets Group

  • Thank you, Mike. So for LSAG we have seen continued strong performance in our core product lines like LC, MS, ICP OES, throughout Q1 and Q2. There's a lot of very strong momentum behind these new products that we recently introduced, and solutions like the Infinity II LC that you mentioned or the ICP OES and our high-end LCMS solutions.

  • So for the second quarter, as you stated before, we had order growth on a core base of 10% excluding RPD. I think we have a very strong pipeline. We see a strong funnel, and therefore also are committed to the second half.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Patrick, and maybe you can just bring us home, Jacob?

  • Jacob Thaysen - President, Diagnostics and Genomics Group

  • Yes, certainly. As you have noticed, DGG had a strong Q2, definitely compensating for the changes in Q1, and we see the improved momentum in all our divisions. Soon, being out of the FDA activities and back to normal operationally, I do expect that we will see the pathology business continue to strengthen throughout the rest of the year, together with the rest of the portfolio. So I also have very strong confidence in the second half of the year.

  • Doug Schenkel - Analyst

  • Great that's really helpful, and given all of the detail I will step away, get back in the queue, and let some other folks ask some questions. Thank you again.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Doug.

  • Operator

  • The next question is from Dane Leone of BTIG.

  • Dane Leone - Analyst

  • Hi, thank you for taking the questions, guys. Another question in terms of the back-half expectations. Clearly, the trend for the operating margin has been a bit down with some of the dissynergies coming from the spin-out.

  • But as we think about coming into the end of the year, can you help us with the pacing? It seems like the implied guidance would still have us down marginally in the back half of the year, but quite a substantial improvement versus the first half. So any thinking you can help us with on the operating expenses as they move into the back half of the year I think would be appreciated.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Yes, Dane, this is Mike. Thank you for the question. I'll make initial comments and then pass it over to Didier. So as you saw in my prepared remarks, we were quite pleased with the operating margin performance for the business, particularly in that revenue came in below our initial expectations. I'll be able to pick it up in the second half.

  • And you also saw that I went to some length to describe the costs that have been coming out of the structure already, and we're about half way through the $50 million commitment already. So I think as the final tail off of some of our restructuring starts to hit and some of the other costs and some of our other aspects of our Agile Agilent program start to hit, you'll see us continuing to bring down the operating expenses in the coming quarters.

  • And Didier, I don't know if you want to add to that?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, I'll just, as you have been able to calculate, we are guiding midpoint for an operating margin in Q3 of 18.3%, which is at the same level as we've had in Q2. With slightly lower gross margin, Q2 had very favorable currency hedging gains and slightly higher OpEx, mostly because of currency and some slight increase in stock-based compensation.

  • And then for Q4, the implied operating margin for the Q4 to get to the 19% for the whole year, which we are guiding to would be 20.9%, which would be slightly higher than what we achieved last year of 20.4%. Which means that we are -- we will see then the full impact of the Agile Agilent program, as with an increase in operating margin, even though we are facing still the $40 million dissynergies that we've talked about at length.

  • Dane Leone - Analyst

  • Okay, so the overarching theme that Doug kicked off with was a pretty strong fourth quarter. Maybe you could just elaborate on the comps that you have from the fourth quarter last year. Was there something particularly weak in terms of how the business is constituted last year that maybe you'd hit better overhead absorption, et cetera, in the fourth quarter this year, along with some strong organic growth comps? That's probably what we are grasping at here is where the confidence for the fourth quarter specifically is coming from.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • It's twofold, right? One is we do have some level of easy compares. I would say that particularly, as Jacob mentioned in his earlier comments, we now see our DGG business back on track. But we were seeing a retraction in terms of our growth at this time last year.

  • So I think there is an element of, if you will, easier compares in Q4. I think Q4 historically is always our strongest quarter, and we've got this very strong order momentum and backlog going into the back half. And I would say we're trying to guide fairly conservatively for Q3 on the revenue, as well.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • So certainly to emphasize what Mike has said, last Q4 was 1 percentage point lower core revenue growth than the average of the year. So it was, I would say a weaker quarter in terms of revenue growth that we saw throughout the year.

  • And then as I mentioned, we are guiding for an operating margin of 20.9%, which is not that far away that we achieved in Q4 of last year of 20.4%. And obviously, we are, as you have noted, expecting higher revenue on an easier compare.

  • Dane Leone - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you. I'll yield back to the field.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The next question is from Isaac Ro of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

  • Isaac Ro - Analyst

  • Hi, good afternoon guys, thank you. First question for me was on China. It seems like, for the most part, this sector has seen a modest improvement or at least stability in that region this quarter. And there may be a couple outliers where we saw commentary that was perhaps more cautious. So if you could talk a little bit about what you saw there across your end markets and what's baked into your expectations?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Sure, Isaac. Thank you again for joining the call. Just got back from a week or so in China in the early part of April, and I'll share with you today on the call what I shared with our Board at the time, which was I continue to see a gradually improving overall market environment in China.

  • I think that there's a level of pessimism about the China market, which I think is not called for. When you look at where the market is growing, and we put up high single-digit market growth orders in our second quarter, you see a continued strong pharma/biopharma investments in life sciences, in human health. We see that much of the reorganization of the food ministries are behind us.

  • In fact, I had an opportunity to represent to Agilent at the BOA conference, where we've heard President Xi talk about his Silk Road policy, and there's also a major forum on food safety, which I participated in. And there's no doubt that the food safety areas will be back on track in terms of investment. And then I think you're seeing -- you can count on really strong growth in the environmental segment for, I think, years to come.

  • I think the one area which was a little bit more subdued in terms of overall growth would be the chemical and energy space, but that we expect still to grow in the low single digits. So I think that the days of those double-digit market growth in China are behind us, but I think you can expect to see solid market growth in China throughout the rest of this year.

  • Isaac Ro - Analyst

  • Great, that is helpful. And just dove-tailing on your last comment there about chemical and energy, it's obviously I think 25% of the business now. So perhaps maybe a little more important than we've previously appreciated. And it's no surprise obviously that the commodity price there has hurt spending. But I'd be curious, in the past you've talked about how when the commodity prices come down, there's actually a bit of an uptick that you see downstream in the markets you serve on the chemical side that are oil-price sensitive.

  • So I'd be curious if you could talk about from a timing perspective how we should think about that tail wind helping to offset the CapEx pressure.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Isaac. You have a great memory on earlier conversations. So in fact, what I think I'll do is I'll pass it over to Patrick. He can provide some insights on that end market.

  • Patrick Kaltenbach - President, Life Sciences and Applied Markets Group

  • Thank you, Mike. You're right, it makes up -- chemical energy makes about 25% of Agilent's business. And but as a reminder, the decline is mainly driven by the impact on the falling oil prices, and we have seen most of it on the customers on exploration side. And actually, that segment is only 15% of our chemical and energy segment overall.

  • So I think actually there is upside still on the chemical side based on the lower feedstock prices that has not yet materialized. I think these customers are still a little cautious to start more spending, so we will continue to carefully monitor the situation. But I don't see any immediate changes or more traumatic reductions in the business overall. I think again, there will be into 2016, probably you will see the shortfall on the exploration side, but it's positive momentum what we can expect on the chemical side.

  • Isaac Ro - Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The next question is from Tycho Peterson of JPMorgan. Your line is open.

  • Tycho Peterson - Analyst

  • Hi, thank you. Mike, can you just clarify how much of the $30-million delay was self-inflicted -- the shipping center stuff versus the customer order side? And on the customer side, was that all academic?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Tycho, you broke up a bit in the call. I think you're asking about the breakdown of the $30 million revenue.

  • Tycho Peterson - Analyst

  • How much was the -- yes, the self-inflicted, the shipping logistics.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Oh, yes, got it. Got it. It was roughly 50/50. So about $15 million of it was through the start-up issues with our logistics network in the United States, and the other $15 million was from very late coming in orders that we couldn't turn into revenue within the quarter.

  • Tycho Peterson - Analyst

  • Can you maybe touch on share dynamics? I'm sure we're all going to get the question tomorrow, given that Waters have been up 15% organic. Can you maybe just talk about how much of what you're seeing was -- the order book was up 6, so that's the silver lining. But can you just talk about your ability to hold share in this environment? And any color on pricing would be helpful too.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • We're doing more than holding share; we're taking share, is our view. Because we had 10% core order growth in the marketplace, and with the one exception of Waters, I don't think anybody is putting up numbers like this in the space.

  • And as you may be able to dig into some of the details and remarks, some of the areas where we compete directly with Waters in LC, LCMS, and pharma and biopharma, I think Patrick, you may want to jump on this as well, we saw very, very strong growth. So I think there is a different composition of our portfolio and end-market play than Waters. But where we compete, we're clearly holding our own.

  • Patrick Kaltenbach - President, Life Sciences and Applied Markets Group

  • Absolutely, and I want to speak here only to the order side, because we had these issues on the revenue side. But both in LC as well as MS, our orders have been up double digit. So we see a strong momentum, as I said in the beginning, behind our new Infinity II series and also behind our -- mainly behind our high-end LCMS systems like the 6495 triple quad. So I would say we are competing very effectively.

  • Tycho Peterson - Analyst

  • Okay and one last one.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Sure.

  • Tycho Peterson - Analyst

  • Maybe for Didier. The EPS impact to the $30-million delay given that some was orders, some was --?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • The impact is your question, Tycho?

  • Tycho Peterson - Analyst

  • Correct.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Well it will be about $0.03 I would say.

  • Tycho Peterson - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Tycho.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The next question is from Brandon Couillard of Jefferies. Your line is open.

  • Brandon Couillard - Analyst

  • Thank you, good afternoon.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Hi, Brandon.

  • Brandon Couillard - Analyst

  • Mike, just a question on the pharma market. I think this is the first time in a little while you've mentioned a large pharma group as being a source of strength in the period. Are you seeing a recovery from that customer base? And just talk about the outlook for the balance of the year in the pharma market.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Yes, good catch, because we've been talking before about the small and medium size and especially pharma, so it's a broad-based recovery. And we're really starting to see the large pharma investing in really coming off their delayed technology refresh plan.

  • So I think that's why Patrick mentioned earlier the very strong growth we're seeing in our LC and LC/MS product line. So this is a much larger broad-based recovery across pharma than we have pointed to in the past. And then biopharma continues to be a strong segment in the industry, as well.

  • Brandon Couillard - Analyst

  • And one more for Didier. Given the Dako resolution came in about six months earlier than planned, curious why the incremental spend that's baked into the outlook isn't lower relative to the prior view of about $15 million of incremental spend.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Good question, Brandon. It is slightly lower. We are planning to spend about $15 million. There is a lot of work that needs to be done towards and until about June, and then we will stop seeing a serious pay down of the expenses. But don't forget, we are very, very serious on investing whatever we need to make sure that we comply with all of the regulatory requirements, and Jacob, you probably want to add too.

  • Jacob Thaysen - President, Diagnostics and Genomics Group

  • Yes, surely. First of all, we are obviously very pleased that we received a notice from FDA that the warning letter has been lifted. And as Didier is also mentioning, we will finalize the activities that we have committed to, to close out with the FDA. Therefore, the spending is also a little bit lower than what we have guided earlier, but we will also continue to invest in a higher compliance level going forward.

  • Brandon Couillard - Analyst

  • Super, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The next question is from Ross Muken of Evercore ISS. Your line is open.

  • Ross Muken - Analyst

  • Good afternoon. So as we try to put tonight's print in context, obviously, CapEx business or the backlog swings, we've seen these before. But it seems to happen here a little bit more than we've seen it at some of the other CapEx focused players.

  • So Mike, you've been spending a lot of time trying to reinvigorate sales and the sales organization, and obviously you've got your margin discipline you're also trying to execute against. As you think about all of the various moving parts here, do you feel like pushing the organization to the degree that you are, this is the result? Or do you think this is purely just, hey, we just didn't execute and things need to change?

  • I'm just trying to figure out how to isolate -- we heard the explanation before -- how to put in context all of the moving parts with the outcome. Because obviously you sound excited, but I think the stock's 5% now; the shareholders aren't nearly as excited today. So I'm trying to figure out how to put that all together.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Hey Ross, thank you for the question and the acknowledgment of the efforts we have underway to really accelerate traction in a couple key topics for us on the strategic nature. So great questions.

  • So when I step back from them and look at this, which is I went to great lengths to highlight the start-up issue we had with the logistics center. But and I think it's in evidence of the new Agilent in terms of we're going to make bold moves. We're going to drive towards changing our cost structure. When we're done here, we'll have probably $3 million or so out of our cost structure, much improved customer experience.

  • So and then when I found out about my team and I learned about my team is when we have issues, such as the one we discovered once we went live in the later part of March, we got all over it. What I didn't share with you was also the fact that we delivered 10% order growth in the midst of a major field reorganization.

  • So I think that we're not pushing the team too hard. We have the ability to execute and to drive the Company forward aggressively. There will be -- perhaps will be some times won't go completely according to plan. But what this team will do is get all over it as a team and work very quickly to address it.

  • So hopefully that gives you some insight in terms of how the Company is running inside. We're enthusiastic, we're energized, and I don't think anybody believes that they're overly taxed yet.

  • Ross Muken - Analyst

  • Okay, and maybe as a follow-up, so you bought a little bit more stock this quarter, but it's still a pretty small amount relative to your overall share mix. So we just saw last week, one of your larger peers buy a separations chromotography as bid for19 times EBITDA.

  • As you think about the value of your asset, particularly relative to all of the things you're doing to hopefully augment and fix and improve the profitability of it, as you think about harnessing some of those returns for Agilent shareholders, and maybe you'll cover it in more detail at the analyst day. But how are you thinking about the share buyback, just given all of the various data points out there in the market?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Yes, thank you, Ross, for that question. So right now, what you heard today was that we're doing what we said we would do, which is we would buyback $365 million of stock, and we are well on our way to doing that. However, as also I've said in prior calls, we continue to look at our overall capital allocation policy, how we're deploying capital for return to shareholders. And perhaps as a teaser for the May analyst meeting next week, I'll say more to come.

  • Ross Muken - Analyst

  • All right. Thank you, Mike.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The next question is from Paul Knight of Janney Capital. Your line is open.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Hey Paul. Go ahead.

  • Operator

  • Please check to see if your line is on mute.

  • Paul Knight - Analyst

  • Hello?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Hello, Paul?

  • Paul Knight - Analyst

  • Yes, sorry.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Go ahead.

  • Paul Knight - Analyst

  • CrossLab was a little lower growth in the current quarter than the 10% or so organically in January's quarter. Was that due to this reorg you were talking about, Mike, or what was going on with CrossLab? Was it weather, et cetera?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • No, we've got a lot of our -- and Mark you can jump in as well. We got a lot of our revenue hung up in the logistic center issue that I talked about earlier, because we have a high velocity of consumables and support parts going through, not only the US logistics center for US customers, but also as a gateway into our global customer base as well.

  • So you'll note in our prepared remarks, I think we had 12% organic order growth. So it really was a story on the logistics center. But Mark, anything else you want to add?

  • Mark Doak - President, Agilent CrossLab Group

  • There's the other nuance, Mike, which in services, obviously order growth doesn't translate immediately to revenues. And this 12% growth, a lot of that came through services. And what you'll see is that becomes an annuity stream going forward for the remaining quarters. So I would say we put some money in the bank for looking out into the next year.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • And then, Paul, that's also why again there's been a lot of questions about the second-half revenue outlook, and this is one of the reasons why we're confident in our outlook.

  • Paul Knight - Analyst

  • Is CrossLab one of the major reasons you think you're taking share, along with the obviously, the instrument technology. But is it a reason?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • We think it's a combination of both, right? So we're driving really new innovative new solutions, so we're putting more instruments into the marketplace and taking share. But we also embrace in a strategy which I think -- and we'll go through some level of detail next week, where we really believe there's a broad-based play across a whole laboratory environment, not only for services and consumables for our instrumentation, but in the broader vendor base as well. I think it's very clear that we're picking up very good business and services in consumables, and I'm guessing it is above market.

  • Mark Doak - President, Agilent CrossLab Group

  • I certainly think it is, Mike, but I would say what our intent is, obviously to ensure we differentiate all of the solutions Agilent brings to the market. I feel confident a lot of the innovation we have is driving that share gain.

  • Paul Knight - Analyst

  • And then lastly, Didier, the China organic was what in the quarter? I missed that.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • On the revenue growth? Yes. It was in the -- it was negative on the revenue side and the positive on the order side, and revenue was a negative low single digit.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • We had high single-digit order growth.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, exactly. And perhaps low to mid single digits on the revenue side. And again, as Patrick said, it's very difficult this quarter to talk about revenue, considering the $30 million. And for example, a lot of that impacted China. Because, although we recovered some towards the end of the quarter, because of the shipment times, we were not able to recognize revenue, in particular in China. It was the region that was the most impacted by the $30 million revenue shortfall.

  • Paul Knight - Analyst

  • Is the facility in the US or China?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • The facility is in the US, but it ships all over on whatever is produced in the US. And including, for example, it ships GCMS into China, and because of a long transit time, China was positively impacted.

  • Paul Knight - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The next question is from Steve Beuchaw of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • Hi, good afternoon, everyone.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Hey, Steve.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • Let's just start by rounding out the geography. You called out Japan. So subsequent to the revenue commentary, you made a comment there, much like China, that the orders were very strong. It seems like you're certainly not the first to call out Japan as an area where there are a few moving parts.

  • Can you give us a sense for what it is that you're seeing in Japan? Number one, is this an area where some of the shipment delays are having an impact? Number two, to the extent there is any softness there, where are you seeing it? And number three, how do you see it playing out over the balance of the year?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Sure, thank you, Steve, for the opportunity to talk -- provide insight into Japan. Different story, from my perspective, than China. Though we were pleased to see the order growth that we saw in Q2, we have to keep in mind that it was off a relative easy compare in 2014. And I think we know the history there with the Japanese implementation, the VAT tax, and how it really changed the seasonality of orders for everybody in the early part of last year.

  • What we're seeing going forward is a environment where we're expecting continued weakness in the academia and government segment. The quantitative easing budget money doesn't seem to be really flowing into our space.

  • The flip side of that is we're actually seeing improvements in the private sector. Now it's a very fragile environment right now, but we think that if it's holding together. We expect it to be subdued. It won't be the same level of growth as you're going to see in China, but we also not seeing significant downturn. And Didier, I don't know if you have any other observations?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • No, what we are seeing and what we've started seeing in April certainly seems to tie also with the general projections from the economies that, are seeing that after Q1 with a negative GDP growth, Q2, Q3 growth will accelerate and will clearly be positive during those two quarters. So we are hoping that they are right for the --

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • But again, I think you need to look at the Japan results with some caution.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • Okay, very helpful. And then, just one housekeeping question for Didier. With Cartagenia now in the books and the XRD transaction, can you give us a sense for how much incremental we should expect on the top line from these transactions over the balance of the year and hopefully for next fiscal year? Thank you so much.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, let's say that for the immediate future, it is going to be not, it's not going to move the needle, and I probably would leave it there. Jacob, do you want to add any color?

  • Jacob Thaysen - President, Diagnostics and Genomics Group

  • No, I agree, Didier. First of all, most of the impact of Cartagenia is going to be minimal in the short-term future on the whole Agilent picture. But I do believe that Agilent -- Cartagenia is a very important pillar in our strategy going forward, where we want to really develop the workflows into [pathology labs] and focusing on genetic disorder labs also.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • I certainly couldn't agree more, but just to put a finer point on it, but between XRD and Cartagenia, can you give us any sense for the run rate in terms of dollars was on revenue for those businesses? Thank you so much.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Didier, I'll just jump in. On the XRD, it was less than $15 million or so revenue, and then we had about 88 employees associated with that business mainly in Poland that have now joined Rigaku. Anything else you can add, Didier?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • No.

  • Steve Beuchaw - Analyst

  • Thank you so much.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • The next question is from Dan Arias of Citigroup. Your line is open.

  • Dan Arias - Analyst

  • Afternoon, thank you. Mike, does the outlook for the rest of the year pretty much assume that demand from the energy customers stays where it is? Or are you assuming you maybe start to get a little bit of relief. You've gotten a slight rebound in crude prices over the last month or so. I'm not sure that's meaningful to your thinking at all.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • No, great question, Dan. Thank you for the opportunity to comment. We're not expecting any rebound, just staying the status quo. If -- I think Patrick pointed to more of a 2016 up rebound on the chemical side of that. So it happened before, that would represent upside to our thinking, but we're not currently forecasting that.

  • Dan Arias - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you. And then Didier, on the Agile Agilent savings, should we look for what's left on the $50 million for the year to be recognized pretty evenly in the back half? Or might that be weighted towards one quarter than the other?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Slightly obviously a little bit more in Q4, but Q3 is going to be fairly significant. So perhaps 45-55 in the second half between Q3 and Q4.

  • Dan Arias - Analyst

  • Got it. Okay, thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The next question is from Jeff Elliott of Robert W Baird. Your line is open.

  • Jeff Elliott - Analyst

  • Good afternoon. Thank you for the question. Mike, do you think the customer order patterns have changed permanently, or was there something unique to the quarter that you called out? And then secondly, have you seen any change in the order cancellation rate?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Yes, Jeff, great question. So in fact, we've really been asking ourselves all the same question, which is we saw a different seasonality in this Q2 than last year. So all we kept coming back to was we really can't control the customer buying behavior. So I really don't have a good solid answer for you.

  • But what we are going to do, and I think I hinted at it earlier, we're going to be adjusting our revenue forecasting models, increasingly mindful of what seemed to be a changed timing of order flow within the quarter, so does seem to be customer-driven. I can't really put a logical explanation behind it. So what we want to do is we want to evolve in our forecasting models from a revenue standpoint. And in terms of order cancellation, it's not at all on our radar screen as a topic of concern.

  • Jeff Elliott - Analyst

  • Got it, that's great. And just a follow-up, Didier, can you give us a segment break down for the $30 million of orders that got slipped out of the quarter?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • It was mostly around LSAG. Clearly, DGG had no impact; ACG a little bit, but relatively minimum. It was mostly LSAG instruments. Mostly instruments.

  • Jeff Elliott - Analyst

  • Got it. Okay thank you.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Sure.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The next question is from Derik de Bruin of Bank of America. Your line is open.

  • Derik de Bruin - Analyst

  • Hi, good afternoon.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Hey Derik.

  • Derik de Bruin - Analyst

  • So sticking with Jeff's question, changes in ordering patterns, but was there any pricing competition at the end of the quarter, any unusual changes from your competitors? Or is it just customers just behaving differently?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • As I look around the conference room here, everybody is shaking their head no. No really significant changes from competitors or pricing behaviors.

  • Derik de Bruin - Analyst

  • Okay, and you've gotten rid of NMR, XRD. Is there anything else within that old Varian business? For example, the old vacuum pump business, that is no longer core to the organization?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you for the great question. So I think that you see Derik, that we're continuing to look at our portfolio and we're quite happy with the status of the portfolio right now.

  • And in fact, on the vacuum side, we're seeing -- I've got a profitable business that we actually see has a fair amount of synergies in Agilent, particularly as we think about designing and developing next-generation of mass spectrometry and being able to integrate the pumps in a different manner, in terms of our new systems. Albeit, also the fact that we've integrated them on a sales-force perspective to also take advantage of the opportunities that exist in the analytical lab.

  • We see it as an enabler for our CrossLab business. So I've got a business making money, and I can see the synergies with the rest of the Company. So it's solid right now within Agilent.

  • Derik de Bruin - Analyst

  • Great, just one final question. So you said XRD was about $15 million, and remind me what the NMR hit was to this year?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • I'll defer to Didier on that one.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, on the year-over-year basis, it was relatively minimum. I'll give you the numbers. But it had a much bigger impact on orders, obviously, because we stopped taking orders.

  • So last year, we had about $50 million of orders for the whole year on NMR, and this year, is even slightly negative because we cancelled a few of the orders in the backlog. And in terms of revenue last year, we had about $80 million in revenue. This year, we'll have about $65 million, and we'll have some revenue even next year as we recognize revenue on the last OEM magnet that we stopped taking orders on back two years ago, but we are still shipping.

  • Derik de Bruin - Analyst

  • Great, thank you.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Sure.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Derik.

  • Operator

  • The next question is from Miro Minkova of Stifel. Your line is open.

  • Miro Minkova - Analyst

  • Yes, good afternoon. Let me start with a question on the sales-force reorganization. Perhaps remind us how exactly you reorganized, other than the divisional changes that you made. Perhaps a little bit more on the things that we cannot see from the outside: incentives, territories, compensation. It sounds like you didn't think this impacted your ability to close orders. But give us a sense as to when you might see perhaps, a positive impact from the reorganization?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Yes, thank you, Miro. I really appreciate the opportunity to comment on this. So I think we're already -- I'll go in a second on the details of the reorganization, but we're already seeing impact, which is again, I think phenomenal order results in the second quarter, building on a strong Q1.

  • And what we've done is we've gone from five sales forces to two. We have one sales force that's focused on the diagnostic and genomics area, which is really our regulated marketplace. And then we now have one sales force that covers the entire analytical lab from pharma, chemical, environmental, food, forensics, life science research. And as I mentioned earlier, also inclusive of the vacuum.

  • Those organizations previously were three separate organizations, and it led to a lot of extra cost. But even perhaps even more importantly, it led to a lot of unnecessary internal interaction about accounts assigned, the territory assignments, was this a life science account or a chemical analysis account? That dialogue is completely gone now. We've integrated under one global leader, and now all of our energy is focused on optimal territory assignments, taking care of the customers, and taking share from the competitors.

  • So I couldn't be more delighted in terms of how the integration and reorganization of our sales force has gone. And again, I think it's going to allow us to put more energy, more resources, more focus on front-line channel expansion, as opposed to internal dialogue and cost structure. Patrick, do you want to add anything?

  • Patrick Kaltenbach - President, Life Sciences and Applied Markets Group

  • Yes, I just wanted to add in terms of what you probably don't see from the outside is in terms of the divisional changes we made is we made a significant change in our MS business. We basically brought together the TCM LCMS business and 50% of all the labs organization into one new strong mass spectrometer group. And I think the result of it will basically see we more in the future, as we have now much more horsepower on the R&D side to develop new product for what we see as the fastest growing markets.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you for that, Patrick. And we talk internally and here we talk next week about One Agilent, we are really trying to leverage the full power of this Company by organizing ourselves to get the maximum leverage out of the capability we have with the Company.

  • Miro Minkova - Analyst

  • Thank you very much for this color. And on the FDA warning resolution, congratulations on getting this ahead of time. You already commented a little bit on the cost side. But do you have -- does this allow you to launch new products? Do you have anything in the pipeline that you could start launching now post-remediation?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Thank you, Miro, for that comment, and I'll pass it over to Jacob for some additional commentary.

  • Jacob Thaysen - President, Diagnostics and Genomics Group

  • Absolutely, and you're right on, of course having to deal with an FDA warning letter, you have a lot of operations focus on dealing with that warning letter and taking some of our focus away from new product development. Fortunately, we have more sites. We have had strong development activities on other sites like the Carpenteria site and also our genomics site.

  • We, in particular, within our companion diagnostic, we are looking into some very, very exciting launches coming up over the next quarters. I think you heard already Mike alluding to Merck & Co has communicated their ambitions within the PDL1 assay -- PDL1 drug target, and we are together with them on coming out with a PDL1 assay. And we definitely look into over next quarters at least one launch in that area maybe even two.

  • And on the genomics side, we have had quite a lot of exciting launches this quarter also that I could talk a long time about, but I don't think we have time for it right here.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • You have time next week.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, I will.

  • Miro Minkova - Analyst

  • Thank you very much.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • You're quite welcome.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. The last question is from Jack Meehan of Barclays. Your line is open.

  • Jack Meehan - Analyst

  • Thank you and good afternoon. I have a couple of clean-up ones.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Sure, Jack.

  • Jack Meehan - Analyst

  • In the diagnostics business, going through the five -- the delayed Q1 shipments, is there a way to quantify what that helped in the quarter? And then as you look into the back half, just being able to press some of the better growth now that you're past the warning letter and the manufacturing issues there?

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Yes, thank you, Jack, for the question. I'll pass it over to Jacob or perhaps, Didier, you want to weigh in on this as well?

  • Jacob Thaysen - President, Diagnostics and Genomics Group

  • Well, you are definitely right that our performance this quarter is a bit skewed by these orders that return to revenue into Q2. But we have an underlying business improvement, both in the pathology business with the rest of the portfolio that will start now to drive the underlying business growth. So I expect to see an improvement in our performance on all elements, especially particularly in the pathology business.

  • We once again saw record placements of Omnis, and this is a great indicator that we will start to see strong traction in the pathology business. So I'm very comfortable, confident that we received the growth coming from the business going forward.

  • Mike McMullen - President & CEO

  • Okay, good. All right?

  • Jack Meehan - Analyst

  • Just the last one, Didier. You mentioned the hedging cadence in the quarter. Can you just remind us how that works, and then is there a way to quantify on the earnings side what the total FX impact was?

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Yes, absolutely. So we have, in addition to our structural hedging program, we hedge both our balance sheet and our cash flow, and the accounting treatment is different. The balance sheet hedging gains and losses show up in other income and expense below the line, whereas the cash flow hedges, the financial impact of the cash flow hedges shows up in cost of sales.

  • And as there was the fairly dramatic, as you have noticed disconnection of changes in currency rates in the last two or three quarters, we have had fairly significant currency hedging gains. In Q1 they were about $3 million to $4 million. In Q2, they were about $7 million, so this Q2. And because we settled the hedging programs always at the beginning of the quarter, we already know what our currency hedging gains will be in Q3. And they will be about $3 million.

  • So there's a $4 million reduction in hedging gains, and that reduction shows in the cost of sales of gross margin. So that's why I was mentioning everything else being the same, gross margin would be impacted to the tune of 0.4 percentage points sequentially.

  • Jack Meehan - Analyst

  • Great, thank you.

  • Didier Hirsch - SVP & CFO

  • Sure.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. There are no further questions in queue at this time. I'll turn the call back over to Alicia Rodriguez for closing remarks.

  • Alicia Rodriguez - VP of IR

  • Thank you, everybody for joining us on the call today. If you have any questions, please give us a call. And we would like to wish you all a good day. Thank you again.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's program. You may now disconnect. Good day.